Oppression of minorities in Pakistan

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 21 Aug 2012 15:11

Sorry, My bad,

OT whats with Norway and Prabakaran again?

hulaku · Post by **hulaku** » 27 Aug 2012 20:12

“If this isn’t Shia genocide, what is?”

Citing the recent Washington DC-based Pew Research Centre’s survey which found 50 per cent of Sunnis in Pakistan believe Shias to be non-Muslims, Hoodbhoy warned this may result in “bitter religious wars”.

Eighty-three per cent of Sunnis in Afghanistan, contrary to only 50 per cent in Pakistan, accept Shias as Muslims. Even in Bangladesh, which split before General Zia ul Haq’s regime took control of Pakistan, 77 per cent of Sunnis believe Shias are Muslims.

“For now the Shia’s are feeling the brunt, along with the Ahmadis, but tomorrow it will be one Sunni faction butchering another,” warned Hoodbhoy.

http://dawn.com/2012/08/27/if-this-isnt ... e-what-is/

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 27 Aug 2012 20:32

Yindoos and Sikhs Genocided in 1947 onwards, then Christians, then baluchis, then shias especially POK and Baluchistan, the way things are going Shias might see an onslaught like what was prepetrated on Hindus and Sikhs.

arun · Post by **arun** » 28 Aug 2012 20:41

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, a country claimed to have been set up as a safe haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent, following Mohammaddenism is not enough to prevent being predated upon by one’s own co-religionists for religious reasons if one has the misfortune of belonging to a minority sect.

Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden violence sees adherents of the minority Shia / Shiite sect of Mohammaddenism being targeted and gunned down by co-religionists in Quetta:

Three killed as sectarian attacks on Hazaras continue

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 30 Aug 2012 00:25

from The News (article posted in full).
3 of a family tortured by cops

From Our Correspondent - Wednesday, August 29, 2012

GUJRANWALA: Seven policemen, including an SI, tortured a man and his son and daughter after trespassing on their house at Harpoke village here on Tuesday.

SI Riasat Bhatti and six policemen of the Kamoke Sadr police allegedly forced their entry into the house of James Masih and tortured him, his son Ijaz and daughter Shakeela. On the order of a local court, the victims were medically examined at DHQ Hospital. However, no case was registered till the filing of this report.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 30 Aug 2012 01:25

Xpost from TSP dhaga

BijuShet wrote:from The News (article posted in full). This is a direct fallot of the Rimsha blasphemy case. 600 Families i.e. atleast 2000 people from Rimsha's town were forced to leave their homes and leave their property. They are trying to resettle in a shanty town in a different place except the Muslims in the other sector do not want them either and will not let them settle near them. This is a human tragedy that no one within Aman ki Asha group will touch because it will show the true face of TSP to everyone. I am surprised the bleeding heart liberals in the west are not highlighting this injustice. Rimsha case got coverage all across the media but the true tragedy for 2000 people is being ignored by all and sundry.

National CDA allows ‘Katchi Abadi’ in capital amid protests from residents
By Muhammad Anis - Wednesday, August 29, 2012

Islamabad: Another slum is in the making as the Capital Development Authority (CDA), amid strong protest from the residents of Sector G-9/4, has, in principle, decided to allow around 600 Christian families to settle in the heart of the capital.

According to details, Christian families, who claim that they have been displaced from village Mehra Badi (Sector G-11) where a minor girl, Rimsha, allegedly committed blasphemous act and they face life threats there, wanted to settle down in Sector G-9/4 in the space between a children’s park and a ‘nullah’.

Sources in the Capital Development Authority told ‘The News’ that the CDA officials, after seeking permission from civic body’s top management, told the Christian families that they would be allowed to stay in Sector G-9/4 temporarily for three months if they furnish an affidavit that they would vacate the area after passage of the stipulated time.

The atmosphere became volatile when the residents of Sector G-9/4, who also staged a protest demonstration on Tuesday, said they would not allow the CDA to raise another ‘katchi abadi’ saying that they would not vacate the area whatever guarantee is given by them. “The ‘katchi abadi’ will not only do away with the calm and peace of the locality, but will also create law and order situation,” said Muhammad Ayub, a resident of Sector G-9/4.

He said if the CDA wants to provide shelter to the Christian families then they should be moved out of the city where they could feel secure.

Dr. Robinson Asghar, who is coordinator of the adviser to the prime minister, Dr. Paul Bhatti, along with other minority leaders, visited the families who are staying in the children’s park adjacent to the Federal Government Model High School, G-9/4, and assured them of solution to their problems.

Dr. Robinson, while talking to ‘The News,’ admitted that there are around 150 families who left village Mehra Badi, but so far 600 families have surfaced who wanted to settle down in Sector G-9/4.

He said the CDA officials have sought undertaking from the elders of the families that they would vacate the place after three months. “The CDA has sought two days to take the final decision,” he said.

He said that with cooperation of religious leaders from Muslim and Christian communities, they have been trying to defuse tension.

The CDA chairman, member planning and the director-general planning were not available on their mobile phones to comment on the matter.

arun · Post by **arun** » 30 Aug 2012 21:26

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, a country claimed to have been set up as a safe haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent, following Mohammaddenism is not enough to prevent being predated upon by one’s own co-religionists for religious reasons if one has the misfortune of belonging to a minority sect.

Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden violence sees an adherent of the minority Shia / Shiite sect of Mohammaddenism being targeted and gunned down by co-religionists in Quetta:

Sectarian attack: Gunmen kill Shia judge, two others in Quetta

arun · Post by **arun** » 30 Aug 2012 21:40

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan the National Commission for Justice and Peace (NCJP) , a group formed by followers of Christism, conducts a content analysis of the revised curriculum of Punjab and Sindh textbooks for 2012-2013 for inclusion of biased and discriminatory content against religions other than Mohammaddenism. Long time watchers of the School curriculum of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan will not be surprised at bigoted content of the curriculum:

'People of other religions busy in useless activities during religious festivals': So say Pakistan's school books

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 Aug 2012 20:13

A Decaying State Kills its Minorities - Khaled Ahmed in TFT
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A 150-strong mob of pious Muslims in Islamabad committed vandalism, baying for the blood of a mentally challenged Christian child Ramsha because they thought she had burned the Quran. The police had her under arrest pretending it was for her own security. Earlier, a mad 'blaspheming' man in Bahawalpur was taken out of jail and burned to death. After the imposition of the Blasphemy Law the first major case was also against a 14 year old Christian boy in Gujranwala who had to be smuggled abroad to prevent him from being killed.

According to World Minority Rights Report 2011, Pakistan ranks as the 6th worst country after some African states in respect of safety and rights of minorities. This includes non-Muslims, those the state has dubbed non-Muslim, and women. Ironically, this behaviour also includes persecution of non-Muslims through forced conversion to Islam, through forcible marriages of non-Muslim girls to Muslims, and apparently willing conversion of non-Muslims to Islam to secure themselves against persecution.

Hindus of Sindh have tried to migrate to India. (Nearly 568 FIRs for forced marriages were lodged last year across 40 districts of Pakistan, with the majority of such cases having been filed in Sindh.) Instead of sympathising with such fugitives, the liberal PPP government suspected them of being disloyal to Pakistan and stopped them - for some time - from visiting India. Hindus are the largest minority community in Sindh.

The minister who did that himself fears being killed by the elements who hunt Pakistan's Hindu community. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan's Balochistan chapter has identified an ongoing exodus of Hindu families from Quetta too due to fear of kidnappings for ransom, yet the Balochistan government does not seem to be doing much to address this problem.

Christians living in the Islamic world are marginalised and threatened with persecution. But Pakistan perhaps began the trend. InFebruary 1997, the twin villages of Shantinagar-Tibba Colony 12 kilometres East of Khanewal, Multan Division, were looted and burnt by 20,000 Muslim citizens and 500 policemen. The police first evacuated the Christian population of 15,000, then helped the raiders use battle-field explosives to blow up their houses and property.

In November 2005, the Christian community of Sangla Hill in Nankana District in Punjab experienced a most hair-raising day of violence and vandalism. Daily Dawn (13 November 2005) described it like this:

'The burning down of three churches, a missionary-run school, two hostels and several houses belonging to the Christian community by an enraged mob of some 3,000 people in Punjab's Nankana district speaks volumes for the bigotry and intolerance against minorities. Following allegations of blasphemy levelled against one Yousaf Masih by his Muslim gambling partners who accused him of also torching the Holy Quran, calls were given from mosque loudspeakers to punish the local Christians'.

In May 2009, some 12 Christian families fled their homes in a village of Sahiwal because they feared that a dispute growing around an act of blasphemy in a school may result in their persecution. The village had at least 6,500 voters in it but the dispute - which may be political - was entwined with the other politics of blasphemy law.

The community cowered in the face of dire announcements being made from mosque loudspeakers. The 'blasphemy' incident took place in a classroom in a local school where a page of the Holy Quran was found with ink splattered on it when the school opened in the morning.

The same month, an incident put the world on notice about what Pakistan is moving towards. In Surjani Town in Karachi, some Pashtun neighbourhood miscreants wrote graffiti on the church wall saying: 'Taliban zindabad', 'Islam zindabad', 'Christians Islam qabool karo ya jiziya dow', etc, after which an exchange of fire wounded some Christians in addition to killing one.

The attack on the Christians of a Gojra village Korian took place in August 2009, after an alleged desecration of the Quran by the Christians in July 2009. Everyone including the Punjab chief minister anticipated the violence and cautioned the local administration in Gojra to prevent lawlessness. The fear was not that desecration had happened but that it will be conflated with blasphemy and the mobs will take the law into their own hands and go on a spree of murder.

If the state in Pakistan survives, it must call to mind the following articles of the Constitution that give protection to the Christians who form the largest religious minority in Punjab estimated to be between 2 to 4 million:

Article 20: freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institutions; Article 22: safeguards around education with respect to religious freedom; Article 25: equality of citizenship; Article 36: protection of minorities. But these rights and values enshrined in the Constitution have been undermined by a series of legislations related to the affirmation of the state's ideological credentials.

The introduction in 1984 of the Qanoon-e-Shahadat or 'Law of Evidence' reduces the value of court testimony of a Muslim woman and a non-Muslim male citizen to that of half a Muslim and, by extension, that of a non-Muslim woman to one-quarter. Similarly the introduction of a series of amendments to the Blasphemy Laws in the PPC [section 295], adding in 1982 section 295-B which provides for mandatory life imprisonment for desecrating the Holy Quran, and in 1986 the even harsher section 295-C, which is mandatory death in respect of the insult of the Prophet PBUH, exposes the broadly poverty-stricken Christian community to abuses of the law.

Most Muslims hold that violation of some human rights takes place because of the tough living conditions and poverty in the country. The view displays all the collective blind spots about human rights. It presumes certain conditions to exist against objective evidence to the contrary. It talks about the minorities in Pakistan without being aware of their view of how they are being treated. Under the present PPP government a Christian federal minister has been killed by Punjabi Taliban in broad daylight in Islamabad.

Today in 2012, you have TV anchors saying more or less the same thing: Muslims themselves are being maltreated, so the persecution of non-Muslims cannot be blamed on them. Going on a tangent, they allude to the Rohingya Muslims of Burma about whom the rascally foreign-funded NGOs have done nothing. (In Burma, the NGOs protesting Rohingya rights are savagely suppressed by the Burmese ruling junta.) The ominous sign in Pakistan is that the majority Muslim community is completely inured against what the minorities are going through.

The blasphemy law victims bear the brunt of the rage of the Barelvis like late Maulana Sarfraz Naeemi, secretary general of Tanzimat Madaris Dinia, who actually led a Lashkar to Sangla Hill to punish the Christians already mauled by local Muslims. He was later killed by the Taliban who think Barelvis are not good Muslims. The Deobandi rage is directed at the Shia community too. When the state of Pakistan apostatised the Ahmadis through an Amendment in the Constitution in the 1970s some observers opined that the Shia community would be next in line for exclusion and slaughter.

The day has arrived. Like the Ahmadis, the Shia are being killed all over Pakistan like lambs at the slaughter house without much disturbance among the Sunni community which leans on anti-Americanism to favour the Taliban and their ancillary warriors originally prepared by the Army against India.

The Shia are not named as a minority in the national census but are informally considered to be nearly 30 percent of the total population. A storm is brewing against them in the Middle East, and Pakistan could be considered as a country where it all began with the help of the state of Pakistan which nurtured the Shia-hating Deobandis and allowed its personnel in the intelligence agencies handling the covert war to be reverse-indoctrinated.

The al Qaeda-linked Lashkar Jhangvi in August 2012 published a gruesome video on jihadist internet showing the beheading of two Shia. In a statement that accompanied the video on one of the forums, a jihadist said Lashkar Jhangvi is part of al Qaeda and the Taliban. Two of the Lashkar fighters then pulled out knives, and proceeded to behead the Shia men. The victims' heads were then placed on their laps. The warriors wiped their knives on the clothes of the slain men.

Lashkar claimed that 'most of the operations against the Shia in Pakistan, if not all of them, are carried out by this group'. It said that Lashkar was the Omar Brigade of Taliban-Pakistan as the Omar Brigade of al Qaeda targeted Badr Brigade and others among the Shia.

The politicians turn their face away; the judges are scared of the clerical backlash. Pakistan as a state is decaying and is eating its minorities first. Before it becomes a pre-modern hell under Al Qaeda and its followers, it has to accomplish the task begun with the decimation of the Shia: it will eat its Sunni Muslims too. For the non-Muslims it is a prison from which there is no escape.

Pakistan was always dicey with its minorities because of its ideology, but today it is killing its minorities because it is killing itself as a state. The people who have undertaken this destruction have originated in the state of the Muslim mind today across the Islamic world, but their midwife in Pakistan was the Army which nurtured them as the state's proxy warriors and then surrendered to them its monopoly of violence.

arun · Post by **arun** » 31 Aug 2012 20:15

arun wrote:X Posted from the TSP thread.

Dipanker wrote:When will these Neanderthals come out of 7th century?

11-year-old christian girl arrested in Pakistan on charges of blasphemy

More of the oppressive treatment santified by Mohammadden religious law that is routinely handed out of the Government of The Islamic Republic of Pakistan to its citizens who do not follow Mohammaddenism :

[http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asi ... story.html]Pakistani court extends imprisonment for Christian girl in blasphemy as police investigate[/url]

hulaku · Post by **hulaku** » 01 Sep 2012 12:17

Seven gunned down in Quetta

QUETTA: Gunmen dragged seven passengers off a bus and killed them at point blank range on Saturday morning, DawnNews reported.

The attack happened in Quetta’s Hazar Ganji area. According to police, the incident took place near Sabzi Mandi at 9 am in Hazar Ganji.

All seven deceased belonged to Hazara community.

http://dawn.com/2012/09/01/five-gunned-down-in-quetta/

The Genocide continues.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 01 Sep 2012 16:43

SSridhar wrote:A Decaying State Kills its Minorities - Khaled Ahmed in TFT
Posted in full
According to World Minority Rights Report 2011, Pakistan ranks as the 6th worst country after some African states in respect of safety and rights of minorities. This includes non-Muslims, those the state has dubbed non-Muslim, and women. Ironically, this behaviour also includes persecution of non-Muslims through forced conversion to Islam, through forcible marriages of non-Muslim girls to Muslims, and apparently willing conversion of non-Muslims to Islam to secure themselves against persecution.

The thing about such reports is that they Kuwait and Saudi rank as countries where minorities are not so prosecueted. How can countires where citizens cannot choose thier religion score so highly.

A choice of religion is a basic human right and we must have as a minimum every country gives a right to anyone living within to practice religions freely and each country with more than 200Sq KM have a religious place of atleast 5 major world religions

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 Sep 2012 17:16

Aditya_V wrote:The thing about such reports is that they Kuwait and Saudi rank as countries where minorities are not so prosecueted. How can countires where citizens cannot choose thier religion score so highly.

A choice of religion is a basic human right and we must have as a minimum every country gives a right to anyone living within to practice religions freely and each country with more than 200Sq KM have a religious place of atleast 5 major world religions

Many years back, a US Congressional report blamed India for the perceived ill-treatment of minorities and KSA was by-passed as usual. When this anomaly was pointed out, I recall the US reaction which was that the KSA allowed an individual to practice his religion within the four walls of his/her house. But, even that is incorrect. One cannot carry a Bible or Bhagvad Gita or idols or pictures of Gods & Goddesses past the Customs at airports or ports in those Islamist countries. So much for the bogus US concern for religious freedom in India.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 01 Sep 2012 19:45

Convert to Islam or leave Muslim neighborhood...warning to Christians in LaWhore.

The venue of new horror and fear is reported by Christians via e-mails and SMS by Christian residents of LDA, Walton Road, Lahore, where Muslims sprayed bullets on homes of Christians on night of August 30, 2012

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Muslims are gathered in hundreds around Christian’s homes and chanting slogans “Naara-e-Takbeer” which is used by Jihadists before attack to kill

Ahmed Bhatti and Muslim home owners of area ordered their Christians tenants to convert to Islam otherwise vacate their properties. They have vacated some shops that were run by Christians.

I am giving Christians this invitation to convert to Islam otherwise they will face consequences

That's it? It's a real estate issue? very crafty of the paki momeens, to say the least.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 01 Sep 2012 20:03

And what happened to the champions of human rights who have been silently watching superpowers bankrolling the barbarians?

Fail?

Or is it some chankiyan logic of spending a few expendables by western civilized personnel?

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Sep 2012 16:16

hulaku wrote:Seven gunned down in Quetta
QUETTA: Gunmen dragged seven passengers off a bus and killed them at point blank range on Saturday morning, DawnNews reported.

The attack happened in Quetta’s Hazar Ganji area. According to police, the incident took place near Sabzi Mandi at 9 am in Hazar Ganji.

All seven deceased belonged to Hazara community.
http://dawn.com/2012/09/01/five-gunned-down-in-quetta/

The Genocide continues.

The death toll in saturdays episode of Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden violence in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that targetted adherents of the Shia / Shiite sect of Mohammaddenism has climbed:

Balochistan killings: Death toll rises to 8, strike observed

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 02 Sep 2012 17:28

^^ An image from Quetta

Shia muslims mourn the death of their family member in terrorist attack, at a local hospital in Quetta

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Sep 2012 11:15

2000 minority girls converted: Report - DT

As many as 2,000 women and girls from various minority sects were forcibly converted to Islam through rape, torture and kidnappings, while 161 people were charged with blasphemy in 2011, according to a report by the Society for the Protection of the Rights of the Child (SPARC).

SPARC released the report on Tuesday at a press conference at a hotel.

The report read that minorities make up three to four percent of the country’s population but remain sidelined in state policies. In 2011, extremists killed governor Salmaan Taseer and federal minorities minister Shahbaz Bhatti, as both were advocating minority rights by calling for amendments in the country’s controversial blasphemy law.

After the 2011 floods, 130,000 Hindus were forced to leave their homes and 86,500 ended up on streets of various cities in Sindh. Whereas 27 Hindu children were kidnapped for ransom from different parts of northern Sindh. The primary school enrolment rate of scheduled caste Hindu girls is only 10.2 percent. Ahmadi students have been especially targeted by the hate campaigns. In Hafizabad, 10 Ahmadi students, including seven girls and a teacher, were expelled from school on account of their religious affiliation.

Violence against children: The report also read a total of 2,303 instances of sexual abuse were recorded from various parts of the country. The actual number is larger as many cases go unreported. In majority of the cases, people close to the child (parents or relatives) or officials who are supposed to give them protection are the abusers. For instance, policemen are involved in more than 60 percent of sexual abuse cases of street children. The number of acid attacks rose from 65 to 105 in 2011. A majority of the acid attacks involve women and girls between the ages of 15 and 25.

arun · Post by **arun** » 05 Sep 2012 22:39

X Posted from the Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan thread.

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, a country claimed to have been created as a safe haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent, Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden sectarian violence continues. Police officer belonging to the Shia sect of Mohammaddenism gets killed along with a Tailor belonging to the majority Sunni Sect of Mohammaddenism in two separate incidents suspected to be rooted in Mohammadden sectarian differences:

ASI, tailor killed in ‘sectarian’ attacks

arun · Post by **arun** » 05 Sep 2012 22:50

A Mohammadden equivalent of Mad Magazines’s Spy vs Spy as Islamic Republic takes on Islamic Republic

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s treatment of its Shia Mohammadden minority by its Sunni Mohammadden majority comes in for stick from the Government controlled press of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.:

Carnage of Shia Muslims in Pakistan

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 06 Sep 2012 07:18

From Tribune (news article posted in full)
Hindu gang rape survivor warns of suicide

By Mithal Khuhro - Published: September 6, 2012

The married woman was allegedly gang-raped by influential men of the Allah Rakhio Mahar village.DESIGN: JAHANZAIB HAQUE

KHAIRPUR: Fed up with the injustice, a Hindu rape survivor has warned she will commit suicide by setting herself on fire outside the Supreme Court building.

The married woman was allegedly gang-raped by influential men of the Allah Rakhio Mahar village. The family went to the police, who refused to register the case against the suspects.

When they filed a complaint in a Khaipur court, the Bheels were beaten and forced to flee their homes.

Talking to the press outside the sessions court building on Monday, the woman said that police were not taking action against the culprits as they supported the criminals. “I lost my honour and shelter as well, but the law isn’t coming to help me,” she complained. “I fear they will kill my husband and other family members.” The woman said that the elders were trying to pressure the family into talks with her rapists. “I’ll even go to the Supreme Court for justice and will commit self-immolation if the culprits are not arrested,” she warned.

Published in The Express Tribune, September 6th, 2012.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 06 Sep 2012 12:43

[Many years back, a US Congressional report blamed India for the perceived ill-treatment of minorities and KSA was by-passed as usual. When this anomaly was pointed out, I recall the US reaction which was that the KSA allowed an individual to practice his religion within the four walls of his/her house. But, even that is incorrect. One cannot carry a Bible or Bhagvad Gita or idols or pictures of Gods & Goddesses past the Customs at airports or ports in those Islamist countries. So much for the bogus US concern for religious freedom in India.[/quote]

And when was this a problem in India. my respect for these so called Hum rights reports is at an all time high.

The truth is despite all the rubbish the US puts out, its it lead in weaponary that keeps it on top. Without miltary capability you are nothing.

arun · Post by **arun** » 06 Sep 2012 19:53

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan, a country claimed to have been created to provide a safe haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent, sees yet more Green on Green Intra Mohammadden violence inspired by religious differences with members of the minority Shia sect at the receiving endin two separate incidents on Wednesday :

In Balochistan on wednesday :

Shia dentist among four killed in Balochistan

In Sindh also on wednesday:

‘Sectarian attack’: Advertising veteran, son shot dead

arun · Post by **arun** » 06 Sep 2012 20:09

AFP via Al Arabiya reports that Human Rights Watch has taken note of the Green on Green Intra Mohammadden blood letting in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan which is seeing followers of the Shia / Shiite sect of Mohammaddenism being killed by their co-religionists.

Pretty absurd that an Islamic Republic claimed to have been created as a safe haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent needs to be pushed to protect its Mohammadden citizens from religion inspired depredations of co-religionists:

HRW pushes Pakistan to ‘urgently’ protect Shiites

The press release by Human Rights Watch:

Pakistan: Shia Killings Escalate – Government and Security Forces Fail to Protect Muslim Minority

arun · Post by **arun** » 11 Sep 2012 07:24

Religious inspired oppression of members of the minority Mohammadden Shia / Shiite sect by member of the majority Mohammadden Sunni sect in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is forcing the use of dangerous methods by Shias in order to obtain refuge abroad:

Sectarian hate driving the boats

arun · Post by **arun** » 11 Sep 2012 07:24

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, a demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan sees the week start with the proverbial bang. Green on Green Intra Mohammadden sectarian violence sees adherents of the Shia / Shiite sect of Mohammaddenism attract the predatory interests of their Sunni co—relgionists.

For a country claimed to have been created as a safe haven for members of a religion touted as being “the Religion of Peace”, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan certainly has an extremely high degree of religion inspired murder that pits one sect of Mohammaddenism against another:

Car bomb kills 12 Shiites in northwest Pakistan

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Sep 2012 19:39

The Mohammadden Sabbath of Friday in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, a country claimed to have been created to provide a safe haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent, sees yet more Green on Green Intra Mohammadden violence inspired by religious differences with members of the minority Shia sect at the receiving end.

While Dawn remains mum on mentioning the victim’s sectarian identity, his Shia identity can be inferred from mention that the funeral service took place in an “Imambargah”:

Young man killed in ‘sectarian’ attack

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Sep 2012 11:02

Punjabi Hindus, forlorn and on the path to extinction - Justice Syed Asif Shahkar
Posting in full

The Sikhs for a long time had complained and wailed over the appalling conditions of their historical and holy gurudwaras in west Punjab. Many writers and correspondents of west Punjab had extended them support to voice their concerns. If we were to compare the two, the difference in the conditions of the two is worlds apart. Gurudwaras were extravagantly made and well kept and temples were nothing but a dilapidated ruin. This temple in Punjab actually was a mirror image of Hindus. Hindus in west Punjab share the same pathetic and hopeless fate as this temple.

Still lost in my thoughts I got out and started to walk, and once again, images from the past surfaced in my mind of Sharma, an elderly man I had met in Delhi, who was displaced and had to move here from a village near my village in Harappa. He talked to me in Jangli, a dialect specific to our region. During our entire conversation, he kept talking and asking about every nook and corner of our neighbourhood and people who lived there. I was really touched and surprised at how much he remembered and so vividly. “It seems like you are still in Harappa, Panditjee,” I said. “Shahjee, you are talking about places and people I am familiar with and remember every single shrub of that place,” was his reply. As I was getting ready to take leave of him, he held me by my hand and said, “How heartbreaking and unjustified it is that Sikhs, on religious grounds, are able to offer prayers and visit their holy and places of birth. Muslims too can visit East Punjab on a similar basis, but I being a Hindu cannot go to see Harappa just because it is not the birthplace of Rama or any other deity. These idiots have no idea that for me not only Rama but all the deities were born in Harappa, as they were revealed to me when I was born, and Harappa is where I was born, and for me that is the holiest of holy places.”

I ran into Tota Ram at a wedding ceremony in the USA. His elders had moved from Sialkot area in Punjab, Pakistan. Tota Ram was a minister in the Punjab administration. I saw that he was continuously swarmed by his toadies and flatterers, but as soon as he could dodge them, he came to meet me and kept talking to me for a long time. “Every single day I feel like walking towards the border to cross over to the other side without caring for the border or the barbed wire fence and reach Sialkot. I know I can be arrested or even be killed by a bullet, but nothing seems to matter in such moments. To tell you frankly, I might actually end up doing that one day!” This is what my Hindu friend said to me.

During a conference in Stockholm, I met Kuldip Nayyar who became very close and fatherly towards me. Later, when I visited him in Delhi along with my Swedish wife, he received and loved her like his own daughter-in-law. I still share the same bond with him.

I remember when I was a child all the houses in our village except two were made of mud and those belonged to Rajoo and Jugoo, two brothers who owned and operated a small shop in the village. Among elders in my family, their names came up in every conversation about the past and it felt as if they were still part of the family and community. Many years after the partition when Rajjo came back to visit, the whole village was ecstatic. Each person was keen to take him home. My elders as long as they lived talked about Rajoo and Jagoo as if they were present and living in our village.

Although Hindus had long ago moved from here, yet their presence and aura can be felt in the entire Pakistan, including west Punjab. Every speck and each grain of soil of this place seems to cry aloud Hindu, Hindu, Hindu. Even though people continue to beat the drum of Islam but customs and traditions here are still soaked in the Hindu culture.

After the partition, Hindus assumed two identities here. One is that our elders reveal during their conversations where a Pakistani Hindu was like a family member and a part of our community. The second is the one that is systematically sponsored and propagated by the Muslim regime through media and history books taught in schools and colleges. The picture they painted of a Hindu was and is chilling and terrifying. In their view, a Hindu is a kafir (infidel), greedy, miserly, a coward but brutal and mean. So unlike others, are all Hindus alike? Are they all clones?

Before labelling Hindus, it is obligatory on our part to make a sincere effort to ponder and answer some pertinent questions. To tether them all with one knot would be illogical and unjust. After the partition, the hearts of the people of west Punjab were seared with hatred for the organised killing and carnage of Muslims at the hands of Sikhs in East Punjab. Hindus were not mentioned in that context. It is baffling that in spite of the Sikhs’ role in killings during the partition and in the two wars later, they receive a red carpet welcome in the west Punjab and Hindus are shunned. Why is there so much hatred for Hindus?

Suspicion and hatred with which the Hindu on the other side is perceived, detested and treated is largely due to the two wars fought between the two nations. During the entire war of 1965 and after the wars, the cannons of propaganda of hatred were directed at Hindus. Islamic fundamentalists and the ruling parties that controlled the media publicised and did it successfully that the war was not between Pakistan and India but between Muslims and Hindus. Interestingly, during this propaganda no one was allowed to mention that the population of Muslims in India was double that in Pakistan. It is only logical to assume that when every fourth person in India is Muslim, there could be a large number of Muslim soldiers in the Indian army. Government could not have completely ignored them when it came to recruitment for the army. In any case, undoubtedly, there must be thousands of Muslim soldiers in the Indian army. During the war, those Muslims soldiers must have aimed their guns to shoot the Pakistani Muslim soldiers. Now we cannot call these Indian Muslim soldiers kafirs. An Indian Muslim soldier, like his counterpart in the Pakistan army, believes in and practices the Islamic faith and traditions. It is noteworthy that in the wars, the Pakistani Muslim was on one side and on the other side was an Indian Muslim; then how in the world could that war be between Muslims and kafirs? The Pakistani Muslim soldier who died in the war was a martyr and so was the Indian Muslim soldier. Now the question is, who really is a martyr?

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Ashley Kravitz · Post by **Ashley Kravitz** » 17 Sep 2012 21:21

Found the following article, buried deep in the Jaipur City section of Slimes of India, as its a minor issue that shouldn't concern the nation

Nearly 2 lakh Hindus arrived in Rajasthan since 1965

JAIPUR: The exodus of Hindu families from Pakistan is not a new thing in western Rajasthan. It all started in the aftermath of the 1965 war between India and Pakistan when for the first time 10,000 Hindu families came on a tourist visa to the state and never returned. Many of them were provided shelter and employment opportunities by Seemant Lok Sansthan in Jodhpur, Jaisalmer and Barmer. Earning their livelihood through daily wages, working at grocery stores, medical shops and sweet shops, these people are happy to be away from the fear of being kidnapped, raped or being forcibly converted to Islam.

On Sunday, 171 migrants from Pakistan reached India. They have come on a pilgrimage visa but have made it clear that they have come to India to settle here and not to go back.

Hindu Singh Sodha, president of Seemant Lok Sangathan, an organization working for the welfare of Hindus, has appealed to the government to accord refugee status to the pilgrims.

"After the 1965 war between the two countries, atrocities on Hindus increased in Pakistan. Thus nearly 10,000 Hindus crossed the border. Later in 90s when Babri Masjid was demolished in Ayodhya, these Hindu families were asked to convert to Islam. Then also many came on tourist visa and never returned," Sodha added while talking to TOI on Monday.

According to an estimate, nearly 500 Hindu migrants came to Rajasthan this year and never returned. So far, nearly 2 lakh people arrived in Rajasthan since 1965.

Sodha added that many of these migrants have got Indian citizenship and are engaged in various jobs varying from contract labourers in farms, salesmen at grocery stores and medical shops.

Attributing religious persecution, discrimination and harassment of the Hindu minority as the main reasons behind exodus of Hindu families, Sodha all these people need support and sympathy by the society and the governments.

"They are happy here since they don't have any fear of life. Since they lost everything in Pakistan they are very laborious and honest and have the zeal to get back all what is being lost. Only thing they want is support from the government and police," Sodha added.

"I came here in 2001 when I was 27-years-old. During then I brought my parents along with my wife. Now I have three sons and two daughters. Life is tough as my father, mother, wife and myself are engaged in various jobs from contract labour to salesman to help the kids. But we are still happy as we are living without fear here at Dalibai temple in a hut on the Jodhpur-Jaisalmer highway," said Goverdhan Bheel.

Goverdhan is now awaiting the family of his brother who is still in Pakistan. "After a sudden increase in the migration, the Pakistani authorities are also asking the people coming to India on pilgrim visa to sign a bond stating they will return in stipulated deadline. My brother is still awaiting the visa for his 14-member extended family," he said.

On Sunday, when 171 Hindu migrants from Pakistan also arrived, they were also taken to the Dalibai temple area where the volunteers of Seemant Lok Sansthan organised for food and other things.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 427980.cms?

arun · Post by **arun** » 19 Sep 2012 09:24

X Posted.

Bheeshma wrote: http://dawn.com/2012/09/18/blasts-repor ... ping-mall/

Good trends continuing in karachi.

The Express Tribune article posted below indicates this particular demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan to be a case of Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden sectarian violence inspired by differing interpretations of Mohammaddenism.

This was apparently not a random attack and the target were adherents of the Dawoodi Bohra aka Bohra aka Bohri sect of Mohammaddenism. This reportedly was not the first time that this sect had aroused the predatory instincts of their co-religionists. A previous attack in the same locality a month back was aborted when a bomb was defused:

Rush hour terror: 8 dead as twin blasts rip through Karachi market

More on the attack from the Express Tribune in a separate article:

Hyderi bomb blasts: Karachi’s most peaceful people face terror

arun · Post by **arun** » 19 Sep 2012 09:49

X Posted.

Dipanker wrote:Open season on shia muslims continues:

Bomb targeting Shia pilgrims leaves three dead in Mastung

QUETTA: A roadside bomb ripped through a passenger bus carrying Shia Muslim pilgrims in southwestern Pakistan on Tuesday, killing three people and wounding about a dozen, officials said.

For a country that claims Mohammaddenism is the religion of peace and that they were created as a safe haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan certainly has a disgracefully high incidence of Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden religious inspired violence.

Meanwhile the death toll in this particular demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan has climbed to 5:

Five Shia Muslim pilgrims killed in southwestern Pakistan

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 20 Sep 2012 14:48

A chu**** Paki in deafndumb wrote:That is because Islam is a global religion and has attracted followers and converts from all over the world. Islam is compatiable with every culture and land.
Hinduism is more of a regional religion and has not attracted followers anywhere outside the sub-continent with the only exception of hare krishnas, who are very small in number. Throughout history, people have always converted out of hinduism and hinduism shares similarities with paganism.

And not all the sacred places of hinduism are in india anymore.

Almost the entire history that the hindus claim as their own happened in the land called Pakistan. The Indus valley civilization almost in it's entirety was in Pakistan. It is debateable but is even argued that hinduism infact originated in Pakistan and that is where the vedas scriptures were written.

It pains the hindus when they see that the land of such historical significance to them is now in muslim hands FOREVER. Now hindus are less than 2% of Pakistan's population and soon even they will all be muslimized the Rinkle Kumari way *wink* or shipped out of the country. In a few more generations there will be no trace of hinduism left in Pakistan!!

And our WKKs want to make piss with such low class bigots. Each of them should be hunted down & killed in the same brutal way they have killed innocents in the name of their tribal desert god. I am reminded of the Dushaasan wadh & subsequent blood bath by Bheem in Mahabharata. I wish I could do the same with these scum.

arun · Post by **arun** » 22 Sep 2012 20:56

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, on the Government declared “Love for Mohammad Day” aka “Youm-e-Ishq-e-Rasool”, followers of Christism experience the "love" of the Mohammadden mob:

Ishq-e-Rasool Day: Protesters torch church in K-P

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Sep 2012 11:39

Punjabi Hindus: Forlorn and on the Path to Extinction - Part III - by Justice Syed Asif Shahkar from DT
Posted in full

In reality, the war was between Punjabis and those from the UP and Bihar because a large number of recruits of the Pakistan army were from Punjab and on the other side, the Indian army had the bulk of soldier recruitment from the UP and Bihar.

The war of 1971 added fuel to the fire of the still simmering inferno of hatred for Hindus in Pakistan. Bangladesh became the battleground. Prejudiced and biased, Pakistani media blew the same trumpet of hatred against the Hindu. They proclaimed and publicised that the war was not between the Pakistan army and Bengalis but was between Hindu ‘kafirs’ (infidels) and Muslims. According to them, all Bengalis were traitors, kafirs (infidels), and agents of the Hindus. At the time, Muslims in East Pakistan were in the majority and in West Pakistan they were in a minority. Then how was it possible for a minority group to isolate and banish a majority group out of the realm of Islam? Before the war and after the birth of Bangladesh, the whole of Pakistan considered Bengalis to be Muslims, and it is quite fascinating that they were all regarded and called infidels during the war and became Muslims again once the war was over. Is Islam a mere robe that can be worn and taken off at anyone’s whim and fancy?

Every Pakistani in Pakistan and especially Punjabis were made to believe that Pakistan had won the 1965 war. History will judge who the real winner in that war was. Pakistan clearly lost the war of 1971. Throughout Pakistan and Punjab, Hindus were held responsible and blamed for the defeat. Those in Pakistan who claim that the war was just and was about Islamic ideals and faith could not be further from the truth. General Ayub Khan, the so-called great man of faith (momin), was the head of state during the first war, and during the second war was another momin, General Yahya Khan. The reality of their faith and belief in Islam is not hidden from any one. It is like diggings one’s own grave. Indulgent and depraved, the reported lifestyle of Yahya Khan puts even that of Mohammad Shah Rangeela to shame.

Keeping all these factors in mind, it is not surprising how the Punjabis of west Punjab (who considers themselves to be Pakistani and not Punjabi) marred by widespread illiteracy, brainwashed by the continuous and systematic propaganda of hatred against the Hindus, has started to consider them an enemy and imminent threat to Islam. The loudspeaker of a mosque is a potent force in the brainwashing of already vulnerable people. Maulvis and clerics are spewing the poison of hatred against Hindus on a daily basis. For them, it has become a routine and the only way to make a living.

The hatred for Hindus in Pakistan and west Punjab is in a way phony as they watch and admire Indian TV dramas about Hindus and their lives and try to copy their style. Often, Pakistani TV plays are reproductions of Indian serials. I had a chance to attend a modern wedding in Lahore and to my surprise, leaving aside a few religious ceremonies, the whole of the wedding looked just like any Hindu wedding in Mumbai. This has become a routine here, whether it is the wedding of a liberal family or a wealthy religious personality.

Before any further discussion on this matter, it is crucial that we figure out who is a Hindu or what is the Hindu identity. No one has a clear answer for this question. The Hindus of Bali, Indonesia, are different as their religion is influenced by Buddhism, and the Hindu of Latin America is different than the one from Singapore. Even in India, all Hindus are not the same as they revere and worship different deities and sometimes their religious rituals and traditions are so varied it is hard to believe that it is the same religion. Once a Hindu Professor told me that it was erroneous to call Hinduism a religion as it is a sort of culture and a way of life. As a matter of fact, Hinduism is an anthology of different cultures.

As I have mentioned before, the Punjabi Hindu, like all people in our society, has an individual identity, and one is unique and different from the other. There are good and there are bad individuals among this group as there are in the rest of the communities of the world. The Hindu is truly the real heir and inheritor of Punjab. It is a fact that the ancestors of all those living in Punjab (Muslims, Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs or Christians) were Hindus, and 7,000 years ago, Punjabi Hindus founded Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa as the centres of civilisation. These centres became sources of guiding light and beacons of enlightenment for the rest of the world enveloped and submerged in the darkness of ignorance. The same Punjabi Hindus sitting in Harappa conceived and wrote the Rig Vedas.

It is known that before partition, the Punjabi Hindu played a dominant role in every field, both in urban and rural areas. A majority of Punjabi scholars, scientists, artists and experts in various other fields were Hindus. According to one study, Hindus owned and controlled 80 percent of the economy of Punjab. Furthermore, it is a well-recognised and proven fact that economic clout and education go hand in hand; one complements and promotes the other. Since Hindus were economically strong, consequently, they became the dominant force in the field of education. As a result of these favourable factors, Hindus held the majority of jobs and positions in schools, colleges and universities. A lion’s share of government and administrative positions also fell in their laps. It would not be wrong to say that Hindus were the real owners of Punjab. The number of Muslims or Sikhs in these fields was microscopically insignificant as they were mostly farmers, artisans or manual workers.

The writer is a serving Justice in Sweden

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Sep 2012 11:25

2 Hindus kidnapped

Separately, unidentified armed men kidnapped two members of the Hindu community from Bagh area of Bolan district. Sources said that the victims, Suno Kumar and Rao Kumar, residents of Mastung, were returning to their hometown after attending a wedding when armed men kidnapped them at gunpoint. Local administration has registered a case and started investigation.

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 26 Sep 2012 18:32

More Pakistani Hindus arrive in Rajasthan
September 25, 2012 |

Jodhpur, (IANS) Exodus of Hindu families from Pakistan continues with the arrival of 45 more people in Rajasthan from the neighbouring country, police said Monday.

The Pakistanis, who arrived in Jodhpur on the Thar Link Express Sunday, have expressed their wish to stay on in India, police said.

“Most of them belong to the Rebari and Bheel communities,” a police officer told IANS.

Over 200 Pakistani Hindus had come to Jodhpur Sep 10. Around 195 more people, including the 45, have arrived here in groups since then.

They said hardliners in Pakistan were torturing Hindu families there.

The police officer said some of the Pakistanis were being shifted to Nagaur district according to the specifications on their visa papers.

“Others are staying in the camps in Jodhpur with other Pakistani Hindus,” said the officer.

The Pakistani Hindus are yet to get proper accommodation in Jodhpur despite BJP and Congress leaders promising to help them.

They were initially living in a temple. But as their numbers swelled, they were moved to tents.

According to Seemant Lok Sangathan, a group working for refugees in Rajasthan, over 1,10,000 Hindu migrants from Pakistan have been living in Rajasthan since 1971.

Over 13,000 of them were granted citizenship by 2005-06 and more than 7,000 others have applied for long-term visas

http://nvonews.com/2012/09/25/more-paki ... rajasthan/

arun · Post by **arun** » 27 Sep 2012 07:13

Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden religion inspired violence in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, a country claimed to have been created as a safe haven for the Mohammadden’s of the Indian Sub-Continent, results in three adherents of the “Ahl-i-Tashee” aka Shia aka Shiite sect of Mohammaddenism being killed by co-religionists in Karachi:

Man, two sons among 10 gunned down

Meanwhile in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, a country claimed to have been created as a safe haven for the Mohammadden’s of the Indian Sub-Continent, yet more Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden religion inspired violence in Balochistan which resulted in an adherent of the Shia aka Shiite sect of Mohammaddenism being killed by co-religionists :

Deputy Director Geological Survey of Pakistan killed in sectarian attack: Police

arun · Post by **arun** » 27 Sep 2012 07:34

Report by MEMRI on the persecution of Non-Mohammaddens’s in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan besides Green on Green persecution targeting minority Mohammadden sects.

The frequency with which religious persecution cloaked with the mantle of Mohammadden religious piety occurs in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan severly tarnishes Pakistani claims that Mohammaddenism is a Religion of Peace and Tolerance:

Calls To Put Pakistan On Genocide Watch Amid Mounting Persecution Of Its Religious Minorities

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 Oct 2012 08:59

Insecurity Pushes More Hindu refugees into Rajasthan

Early this month, Chetan Ram abandoned his home in Pakistan for a flapping, cloth shack, held up with bamboo poles against the searing desert wind. Around his shack, six kilometres outside Jodhpur on the Jhanwar road, many others too camp — a stark symbol of the growing exodus of Hindus, faced with Islamist violence, from Pakistan that could pose hard challenges for governments on both sides of one of the world’s most fraught borders.

The largest group of refugees, made up of 184 people, came in by the India-Pakistan Thar Express on the second Sunday of September. Last Sunday saw another 48 Pakistanis arrive on pilgrim visa, and then refuse to return home. There are now over 300 people housed in the camps on the town’s suburbs.

Ram and his extended family fled Pakistan in the face of religious persecution. His father, Soomro (70), died just nine days before the team left for India. Soomro was buried at Mitho Khoso in Tando Adam of Hyderabad district, 40-45 km from the place of his death. The grieving family says it had no option but to take the body that far and bury it as cremation — the traditional way of disposal of the body for Hindus — was not allowed.

“Life there is worse than death,” says Ram. “The main reason for our decision not to go back is the insecurity to our women and the religious persecution.”

There are social and economic hardships too like bonded labour, non-payment of wages and lifting of livestock belonging to the minority population.

Asked about the reported instances of kidnapping of Hindu girls that have figured in the Pakistani media in the recent months, Dharma Ram, Suraj Mal, Devji Ram, Longa Das, Lokumal and Kanwar Ram claim that the average is of 30 cases in a month in Sindh alone. They said a 14-year-old Puna was kidnapped from their locality 10 days prior to their departure.

“The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan has conceded these figures,” says Hindu Singh Sodha, head of the Seemanth Lok Sangathan, an organisation working for refugees from Pakistan. Lobbying by Mr. Sodha has enabled Indian citizenship to as many as 13,000 in 2004-5.

Most of the refugees, landless labourers from Sanghar, Matiari and Hyderabad districts in the Sindh province of Pakistan, have their origins in the western Rajasthan districts of Jaisalmer, Barmer and Bikaner. Many have relatives in the region.

Bheel adivasis and Meghwal Dalits live on both the sides of the border and share a similar lifestyle — a word perhaps inappropriate to the desperate hardship that characterises their lives. While the wars between the two neighbours in the 1960s and early 1970s drove them in hordes out of Pakistan —90,000 reached Rajasthan in 1971— the fencing of the border in the past two decades had almost put an end to the illegal crossing over to this side.

abhischekcc · Post by **abhischekcc** » 02 Oct 2012 11:20

The exodus of non-Muslims tells an unspoken story. They have always faced persecution and humiliation in the secular nation of Pakistan (SNP), so why are they fleeing in such large numbers NOW? If the persecution has reached such extremes then it shows the level of extremism that now exists in SNP and also the abdication of authority of the government. The country has descended into chaos/Islamic purity/rule of violence, and there is no longer a central authority.

The one thing that Islamists hate just after non-muslims are muslims of other sects. how long before they turn their guns on each other? How long before paki army is called out?