Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2012

[Dipanker]

Man Mohan Singh warns of increased terror activities

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said today that terror groups will try to use sea route to come into the country.

Speaking at the annual conference of DGPs and IGPs from across the country, Manmohan Singh said that infiltration attempts along LoC and international border in Jammu and Kashmir are increasing.

At the same time, he is taking a huge risk opening the banking tap, visa liberalization for these terrorists.

Mr. PM I don't understand why would they try to use the sea route when they could just use the new liberalized visa scheme to enter India?

[sum]

Islamabad: Responding to the dossier received from the Indian government in the wake of a foiled terror attempt by a Pakistani student Faizal Siddiqui in the Indian city of Mumbai, Pakistan prime minister Imran Khan said, "Instead of pointing fingers at Pakistan, India should introspect as to why increasing number of Pakistani students are becoming extremists after coming to India. Reminding India that there are extremists on both sides of the border, Imran Khan asked India to investigate the role of Indian extremist groups like Sena, RSS, MNS in provoking Pakistani students to take up extreme measures. He warned that any Indian move to reverse the liberalized visa process will only strengthen the hands of extremists. He also advised India not to take these incidents emotionally.

Have no doubt that this exact same thing will play out.

Things are going exactly as BRF had predicted one day after 26/11. We have now reached a stage of Visa-on-Arrival for TSp-ians as a thank you for all the IT experts they have sent across till now while the rest of the world is actively trying to keep them out!!!

Cant imagine what else we will get to see under this govt w.r.t TSP/TIRP.

[SSridhar]

Mr. PM I don't understand why would they try to use the sea route when they could just use the new liberalized visa scheme to enter India?

Aha. . .now, I get it. Visa process is being liberalized because our PM is now convinced that the TSP terrorists would take only sea routes and therefore do not need a visa. Who knows, it may even be a Chankian move to entice these jihadists to use regular border entry points to catch them.

[nakul]

Mr. PM I don't understand why would they try to use the sea route when they could just use the new liberalized visa scheme to enter India?

Aha. . .now, I get it. Visa process is being liberalized because our PM is now convinced that the TSP terrorists would take only sea routes and therefore do not need a visa. Who knows, it may even be a Chankian move to entice these jihadists to use regular border entry points to catch them.

Joo Kaffr. The TFTA momeens will not be held hostage to the SDRE's generosity. They will enter india whether they are issued visa or not. It is the David Headley recce beepul who will benefit from this scheme. Due to bad dekh-o-nomy, it is becoming increajingly difficult to tayk the long route via USA. This way Pawqis can establish beepul - beepul relations while visiting national monuments..

[svinayak]

85 percent Pakistanis want relaxation of visa between India, Pakistan: IPSS

More than 85 percent of Pakistanis want relaxation in visa policies between Pakistan and India and they term it need of the new geo-political and economic situation of the region.

This was disclosed by the Institute for Peace and Secular Studies (IPSS) during its signature campaign in five big cities of the country, including Lahore, for ending rivalry and to easy visa procedure between the two countries.

has anybody done any poll in India on what mango man thinks of relations with pakistan

And India is considered the biggest enemy of Pakistan by 85 perent of Pakistan.
Please Dont post these bogus news reports

[CRamS]

Bal Thackeray: wont allow pak cricketers to play here

Whats he going to do? He continues to talk like this, ISI will provide the necessary intelligence, logistics, and comand its local foot solders in India to take him out. Everybody from TSP, Indian govt, India media, western media all in tandem will celebrate that. Some of his supporters may go on the rampage, and of course, in dealing with with, no mater what level of brutality is required, SoniaJi and MMSJi will not fall short in demonstrating their cojones, just as they did in taking on Baba RamdevJi and other defenseless Hindu men, women, and children who were protesting corruption. India is a mighty "secular" state on the verge of becoming a super power onlee. TSP of course will be laughing its ass off and will continue to demand that India forget 26/11 and continue aman ki tamasha.

[anupmisra]

85 percent Pakistanis want relaxation of visa between India, Pakistan: IPSS

Oh great. Now I have to worry about 170 million terrorists. Here they come, ready or not. I suppose this number includes kendostyx motormamas and nanha mujahids (see below).

[svinayak]

Islamabad: Responding to the dossier received from the Indian government in the wake of a foiled terror attempt by a Pakistani student Faizal Siddiqui in the Indian city of Mumbai, Pakistan prime minister Imran Khan said, "Instead of pointing fingers at Pakistan, India should introspect as to why increasing number of Pakistani students are becoming extremists after coming to India. Reminding India that there are extremists on both sides of the border, Imran Khan asked India to investigate the role of Indian extremist groups like Sena, RSS, MNS in provoking Pakistani students to take up extreme measures. He warned that any Indian move to reverse the liberalized visa process will only strengthen the hands of extremists. He also advised India not to take these incidents emotionally.

India and Pakistan have fought three wars over the disputed Kashmir region since independence.

Indian govt should have a warning that any Pakistani inside India will be thouroughly checked and Pak govt will be responsible for the safety of these persons.

Pak govt by their policies inside Pakistan and their school text book and their media inside Pakistan promoting hate messages against Indians and Hindus will be directly responsible for the actions of their citizens inside India. Also they will be held responsible for the damages and will have to compensate for the any damages or loss of life inside India and any private Indians persons property.

Every Indian will have the right to sue the Paksitani govt for damages incurred due to official Pakistan state declared as an Islamic state and the damages to Indian property due to the policies of the Pakistani govt.

[nakul]

Indian govt should have a warning that any Pakistani inside India will be thouroughly checked and Pak govt will be responsible for the safety of these persons.

Pak govt by their policies inside Pakistan and their school text book and their media inside Pakistan promoting hate messages against Indians and Hindus will be directly responsible for the actions of their citizens inside India. Also they will be held responsible for the damages and will have to compensate for the any damages or loss of life inside India and any private Indians persons property.

Every Indian will have the right to sue the Paksitani govt for damages incurred due to official Pakistan state declared as an Islamic state and the damages to Indian property due to the policies of the Pakistani govt.

We must use their own tools against them. If anyone has a sample of a Pakistani textbook, please scan it and post the pages online. Let the world know what they are taught from a young age and the cost of befriending them. I would not mind seeing scans of Hindus are traitors being posted on facebook & twitter. This will wake up the sleeping Indians who are dazzled by Pakistan's modernity & progress

[anupmisra]

Another reason for the pakis to feel low and down. Their HS&D has once again (its a weekly thing now) been assaulted by Ajmal's exclusion. Its not cricket, you know.


Ajmal exclusion great injustice: Imran Khan.

Cricketing legend Imran Khan led a protest of former Pakistan captains over off-spinner Saeed Ajmal’s omission from a list of annual awards, terming it a great injustice.

A 32-man independent jury comprising former players, officials and journalists provoked anger in Pakistan after omitting Ajmal from the shortlist

Khan said Ajmal’s omission was unjust.

Raja said an award is an honour

it hurts not only Pakistan but the whole community

Waqar Younis said he didn’t understand the system

So, pakis are complaining of a process they don't understand. Ignorance is not bliss.

[harbans]

And India is considered the biggest enemy of Pakistan by 85 perent of Pakistan.

And it is not irony. If the GoI is giving the 85% free entry, why would they need to sling an AK and slither through tunnels or fences?

Once this idiotic policy is in place, India will see visa on arrival facilities being withdrawn for themselves most countries including SE Asian ones. Paki's are going to misuse this very badly. Do we really have hope for some sense to kick in? With these policies i am giving India max 20 years or maybe lesser years. Rather with these policies in vogue..we are already lost. All we need is a few more Mamata's and Mulayams. The Taliban will not destroy Pukistan. Our policies will destroy us.

[Anujan]

US labels Haqqani group as terrorists
Now, Pakistan will say that the Haqqanis were no longer in North Waziristan and had moved to Kunar a long time back.

There was an interesting ISI psy-ops before this was done. Just like in the Abu Jundal case (though I think in a larger scale), Pakistan was trying to beg, threaten and negotiate not putting Haqqanis in the terror list and even suggested to the US (at the highest level!) of trying to work out a peace deal with the Haqqanis. The peace deal would be as follows:

Haqqanis would be asked to operate only in 3 provinces in Afghanistan and would promise that they wont attack NATO forces in Kabul and NATO transport. In return, US wont attack them in those 3 provinces. If Haqqanis violate their part of the deal, US can bomb those 3 provinces. This is the kind of deal that Pakis have worked out with the yahoos. The yahoos would remain in a province and not attack Lahore or Peshawar. Pakis wont attack them either. If they violate the deal, Pakis will go in and flatten houses in the province.

Obviously no sane person would agree to the deal, since the Haqqanis would merely bide their time, collect men, money and weapons, wait for the US to leave and sweep up the rest of Afghanistan.

This is the deal that several of Paki spooks (including the top spook) in his recent visit to the US and several other Pakis tried to sell to the US. And in the meanwhile, ISI planted this article in the express tribune on August 27

http://tribune.com.pk/story/426756/us-r ... -haqqanis/

Washington is willing not only to engage the group in talks but also to give it an important role in the future political dispensation of Afghanistan, according to a senior American military official. {Who presumably spoke exclusively to express tribune }

He said the United States would hand over the control of three Afghan provinces to the Haqqanis if they agreed to withdraw their support for the Taliban-led insurgency in Afghanistan...“Neither the Americans nor Pakistanis can completely defeat the Haqqani network,” explained the American military official, citing the reason behind America’s willingness for peace talks with the group....“We are ready for talks – but the problem is that the Haqqanis are really not forthcoming,” he added. “Therefore, we have no option but to use force against them.”...“Pakistan can hurt the Haqqanis but General (Ashfaq Parvez) Kayani is reluctant to target them because he is worried about reprisal attacks,” he said.
{He further added that Pakistanis are tall, fair with tight musharraf, Indians are short, dark rice eating; Cashmere belongs to Pakistan and Jinnah was a secularist.}

The question is, what do Pakis hope to achieve through such ham-handed psy-ops? It is not that everyone reads express tribune (about 10 people in Pakistan buy english newspapers).

[sadhana]

The question is, what do Pakis hope to achieve through such ham-handed psy-ops? It is not that everyone reads express tribune (about 10 people in Pakistan buy english newspapers).

They probably hoped some Western journalist based in Af-Pak would pick it up and republish in Western media. Pak officialdom have been playing the Umriki media since at least Musharraf, if not as long ago as the Afghan jihad years. So they with some reason think they can continue to play the Umriki media by planting stories and orchestrating events, and last ditch, by inviting Umrikis to ISI headquarters and having white gloved waiters serve them cucumber sandwiches.

Now that Umrika is not as amenable to buying their narrative as before, Pakistani officialdom thinks (with some reason) that they can play the Injun media too.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 297598.cms

Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi on Thursday denied visa to the resident editor of English daily The Hindu after giving him long and didactic lectures on how September 11 and 26/11 were American conspiracies and how America was a common enemy to both India and Pakistan.

Swami told the TOI that he was called by the High Commission early this week for a meeting with Press Attache Manzoor Ali Memon that lasted for over an hour after two Pakistani officials, who did not share their visiting cards with him, dropped in. "I was asked no questions but instead handed out sermons by the two on how Indian and Pakistani media could join hands to counter American conspiracies," Swami said.

The journalist gave them a patient audience and told them that he was ignorant about the revelations they had made about "American plots" and he "would love to catch up on the wikileaks evidence against America they were referring to."

Pakistani official narrative is seeking strategic depth in Injun media and I can imagine there will be some Injun journalists tripping over themselves to give it to them.

[Rangudu]

http://tribune.com.pk/story/433550/will ... kaniguram/

Apparently, TSP columnist and intellectual Khaled Ahmed is a first cousin of Imran Khan.

RAPEs are all connected...

[AbhiJ]

With Blessings of Congress, More Halal of Indians in India by Napakchodis

http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 874388.ece

[partha]

With Blessings of Congress, More Halal of Indians in India by Napakchodis

http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 874388.ece

With blessings of BJP too.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 817230.ece

In a bid to boost trade and peace, MPs from India and Pakistan have sought a slew of measures, including the introduction of a liberal visa regime, more trade through the Wagah border and resolution of the Siachen and Sir Creek issues.

The Indian side was represented by senior BJP MP Yashwant Sinha and senior Congress leader Mani Shankar Aiyar, while the Pakistani delegation was led by Deputy Leader of Senate Sabir Ali Baloch

[vera_k]

I hope they plan to collect biometric data and issue Aadhar cards as part of the visa issuance process.

[Dan Mazer]

G. Parthasarathy on NDTV was completely in favour of removing the Visa restrictions and said they shouldn't have been imposed in the first place.

[Cosmo_R]

Re Visa Issue ^^^: Is it possible that liberalization might just help paki Hindus get out? I don't know the stats but recently the papers were full of Hindus getting 'tourist visas' and that idiot Rehman Malik saying the were not fleeing Pakistan.

[SSridhar]

http://tribune.com.pk/story/433550/will ... kaniguram/

Apparently, TSP columnist and intellectual Khaled Ahmed is a first cousin of Imran Khan.

What a contrast between the two !

[Rangudu]

What a contrast between the two !

Also, they apparently grew up together and are still close despite their different worldviews.

[SSridhar]

And, Khaled, with all his intellectual & analytical prowess is unable to make any impression at all on the jihadi mindset of his cousin !

[Prem]

Terrorism ki Baat kya tera baap karega?

Singh ready to visit Pak unconditionally

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar Saturday asserted that Islamabad and New Delhi should look forward by putting the past behind while Indian External Affairs Minister S M Krishna said that Indian Prime Minister has not laid down any conditions to come to Pakistan.The two counterparts were addressing a joint press conference following the foreign ministers' level talks held between Pakistan and India in Islamabad with a view to review the last one-and-a-half years progress on the bilateral relations on all the disputed issues.Krishna said that the Indian PM will visit Pakistan at an appropriate time and that India was keen to build a relationship of trust between the two countries, which would be beneficial for both sides.He said that the resumption of talks is encouraging which have been cordial, frank, and positive so far.Hina Rabbani Khar said whatever had happened till today is a thing of past and the countries will not be hijacked by the events of history.She said Pakistan and India should look forward by learning lessons from the past. Khar said Pakistan is committed to relax the visa regime between Pakistan and India and to facilitate movement of businessmen of the two sides. The trade ties with India, she believed, would be normalized by the end of this year.She said the meeting between Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh did help improve bilateral relations which saw activation of Pak-India joint commission.The Indian foreign minister was happy that Pakistan was committed to bringing the Mumbai perpetrators to justice.He was of the view that terrorism is a threat to both the countries and it has to be dealt with iron hands.Hina Rabbani Khar said Pakistan was keen to have cordial relations with all its neighbour including Afghanistan and India.Earlier, the two foreign ministers held one-on-one meeting before the delegation level talks.Various issues including, peace, security and confidence building measures, Jammu and Kashmir, Siachen Glacier, Sir Creek, visa regime and economic cooperation were the top the agenda of the talks.

[Lilo]

And, Khaled, with all his intellectual & analytical prowess is unable to make any impression at all on the jihadi mindset of his cousin !

I think Imthe'dim' has no mind to begin with, much less principles to go with it
So like most RAPE's and RAPEtte's who dont give a flying f**k for what right or whats wrong, Imthe'dim' is purely lusting for power and its pleasures. In this aspect he is not much different to Djinnah !
The Jihadis are the TSPA who are actively backing his rise.

[Prem]

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2012_pg3_3
Punjabi Hindus: forlorn and on the path to extinction — I —Justice Syed Asif Shahkar

Just as a piece of paper knows not where it will land when blown and tossed around by the strong winds, we too, for some reason, can end up in a place we had no plans of going to. That is exactly what happened when we left home to go to Pakpattan but ended up in Malikahans. Gulshan Dyal, who was visiting from the US, wanted to go to Pakpattan to pay homage to Baba Fareed and get his blessings. On the way, someone suggested to visit Waris Shah’s mosque and shrine since it was on the way. Personally, I did not really care to see this shrine or the mosque, and I had my own reasons for that. Firstly, many years ago as a producer of a TV film, I had seen Waris Shah’s shrine and his beloved Bhagbhari’s quarters. Secondly and most importantly, I have never been drawn to or was ever interested in bowing and praying in front of these shrines of bricks and stonesWaris Shah’s quarter, adorned with modern tiles and mirrors, was even more flamboyant and was no less than a commercial showroom. Devoid of the original aroma in which the presence of the poet could be felt, the ‘showroom’ was now reeking with a strong chemical odour. I was appalled and suffocated by what I saw. I could not wait to get away from there but as we were leaving, the maulvi said, “Justice sahib, I would like to show you one more thing before you leave.” I tried to avoid him as I was not keen to see another religious place, but due to his persistence, and more out of courtesy, I followed him. He led us to a site, where to my utter shock, what we saw in front of us was a Hindu temple.
And what a grand spectacle this temple presented. It was a treasure of rare art and artistry. Seeing it one could feel that Hindus living here had built it with great love and devotion. The artists had poured all their love, reverence, imagination and skill into every single brick, which was simply an exquisite piece of art. One was awestruck and mesmerised by its splendour. A series of film-like visuals and images started playing in my mind, taking me back to the times when the foundations had been laid for this temple. In its time it must have witnessed a lot. Mothers must have come to worship, to be blessed with their children; newly married couples in the best of dresses must have come to show gratitude and celebrate their marriage. The distressed and destitute must have made offerings of their tears, begging for blessings for a better life. How many joyful and tragic gatherings this temple must have hosted and embraced.“It’s heartbreaking to see it in this miserable condition,” I heard someone say and that interrupted the chain of my thoughts. The temple, once grand and glorious, was now reduced to nothing but ruin; anything that could be removed had been removed. There were large holes in place of doors and windows. Part of the roof had caved in. The rooms that somehow had survived the ordeal were now being used as living quarters. A buffalo was tied there and the floor had layers and layers of manure and filth. The entire place was just a stinking hole and it was impossible to stand there and even breathe easily. It was humanly impossible not to shed tears at what we saw.
I am human too.

[Prem]

e ‘bloody’ Punjab partition — VIII—Ishtiaq Ahmed
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2012_pg3_5

In Multan, the fight was uneven from the first day. There were very few Sikhs and the Hindu minority was also heavily outnumbered. Almost all casualties were those of Hindus and a few Sikhs. The gruesome murder of Seth Kalyan Das, a highly respected gentleman, whom all communities respected, is narrated by old-timer Ataullah Malik (op. cit., pages 160-161).
In Rawalpindi, Hindu-Sikhs and Muslims clashed on March 5. In the evening of March 6, Muslim mobs in the thousands headed towards Sikh villages in Rawalpindi, Attock and Jhelum districts. Until March 13, they had a free hand to kill, burn, rape, and forcibly convert mainly Sikhs but also Hindus. I have given eyewitness testimony of Muslims, a Sikh survivor from Thamali, interviewing him in Kapurthala city (op. cit., pages 165-193). The pictures of the interviewees are also given.
According to British sources, some 2,000 people were killed in the carnage in the three rural districts. The Sikhs claim 7,000 thousand dead. Jinnah committed a major blunder when he did not issue any condemnation of those atrocities. An exodus of Sikhs in the thousands to the eastern districts and Sikh princely states from Rawalpindi, where they narrated their woes, set up the nucleus of a revenge movement.The Akalis had been working on some Sikh princes to convince them to try establishing a Sikh State. If India could be partitioned for two nations based on religion, then why could it not into three for the Sikh nation as well? To achieve that, a compact Sikh majority was needed and that could be achieved only by expelling nearly six million Muslims from East Punjab. However, 1947 was too early for such a bid; it emerged in the 1980s as the Khalistan movement.
By May 1947, it dawned upon Jinnah that the Sikhs were not going to join Pakistan. For a while he argued that Punjabis and Bengalis shared a common culture and identity. However, since it contradicted his basic stand that Hindus and Muslims were separate nations who did not share any national character, the discovery that Punjabis (Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs) and Bengalis (Hindus and Muslims) shared the same culture was the weakest argument in his brief for the Two-Nation Theory. He then demanded that a corridor should be provided through more than 1,000 miles of Indian territory to connect East and West Pakistan!
. Jinnah offered very generous terms. Hardit Singh Malik who acted as spokesperson of the Sikhs reported the following concluding remarks:
“This put us in an awkward position. We were determined not to accept Pakistan under any circumstances and here was a Muslim leader offering us everything. What to do? Then I had an inspiration and I said, ‘Mr Jinnah, you are being very generous. But, supposing, God forbid, you are no longer there when the time comes to implement your promises?’ His reply was astounding...He said, ‘My friend, my word in Pakistan will be like the word of God. No one will go back on it.’ There was nothing to be said after this and the meeting ended” (op. cit., page 213).In June, the Hindu-Sikh locality of Shahalmi in Lahore was set ablaze. I traced one of the culprits whose confession is given in detail on pages 237-243. Until July, the East Punjab Muslims were not attacked. On August 17, when the Radcliffe Award became public, all hell broke loose on the East Punjab Muslims. In India, scores of studies exist on the suffering of Hindus and Sikhs in what became West Punjab. The fact is that more Muslims were killed in East Punjab than Hindus and Sikhs combined in West Punjab. 500,000-800,000 Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs lost their lives altogether. The macabre dance of death that took place in western Punjab until June 1947 was now played out in East Punjab more pitilessly and on a much grander scale.

[SSridhar]

The Composite Dialogue that got stopped in c. 2007 before the Pakistani elections and later the 26/11 urban guerrilla jihadi terrorist attack, now stands restored in all its glory.

[abhijitm]

PM’s Pak trip hinges on progress in 26/11 probe

Khar sough to outline a persuasive picture of Pakistan's desire not be "held hostage to history" and said a visa agreement to ease travel is "a first, big step" in normalizing relations.

History!!! mdrfkrs!!! what happened 4 years back is a history!!! In that case then kashmir, sir creek, siachen and 1971 all are history and pakis should have forgotten them long time ago.

A nation born just 60 odd years ago cannot utter word History, for that it needs to survive another 200 years.

[sanjchopra]

PM’s Pak trip hinges on progress in 26/11 probe

Khar sough to outline a persuasive picture of Pakistan's desire not be "held hostage to history" and said a visa agreement to ease travel is "a first, big step" in normalizing relations.

History!!! mdrfkrs!!! what happened 4 years back is a history!!! In that case then kashmir, sir creek, siachen and 1971 all are history and pakis should have forgotten them long time ago.

+1

Very good counter argument to birkin babes statement

[harbans]

We can bomb the crap out on Paki's and a few hours or next day later say it's past, history. Lets not be held hostage to history. Murder trials everywhere should stop by the logic. Terror would be the norm if this logic is accepted by India. But for some reason many Psecs are impressed by this convoluted logic and will soon be used in common parlance at all WKK pappi jhappi meetings.

[Raja Bose]

I can see the "not being held to hostage" statement getting re-used in the future like the "there are extremists on both sides of the border".

[abhijitm]

Also I think the report is misleading and throws an impression that MMS is concerned over the progress of 26/11 trial by pakistan.

He said the PM is not shying away from coming to Pakistan but will take a decision when he is right and ready.

It only means that PM doesnt want to visit Pakistan till the atmosphere in India is not right and favorable. MMS will wait till Indians forget 26/11 or at least be more lenient about it and THEN it is right time for him to visit his beloved pakistan.

If we go by the headline then no Indian PM could ever visit pakistan because there is not even a minutest scope of pakistan progressing on 26/11 trial, in fact there is no such trial exists to date.

[Anujan]

Nobody likes to be held hostage. Pakistan doesnt like to be held hostage, people in Mumbai hotels dont like to be held hostage, Jewish rabbi and his wife in Chabad house in Mumbai dont like to be held hostage.

Equal Equal. Peace in South Asia.

[SSridhar]

PM's Pak trip hinges on progress in 26/11 probe

This is the worst surrender that India can make to Pakistan, if it happens. Let's see why.

Firstly, mere 'progress' is a dubious word to use in this context. What is expected must be spelt out clearly. The Adiala Seven are not the only ones involved in the urban war fought against India. There are others including Professor saheb and serving and retired PA/ISI officers. They must all be arrested and prosecuted within a specified timeframe. What is happening in Adiala is ridiculous and a complete farce, adding insult to our injury. Sentences must be passed by the ATC, Adiala and the case closed there. All investigation details must be passed on to India. This is the barest minimum that we expect Pakistan to do as far as 26/11 goes.

Secondly, and more importantly, 26/11 was a Pakistan-planned and Pakistan-executed terror attack on India's most prominent city.GoI cannot reward Pakistan for having made some 'progress' in this case. After all, it is the duty of Pakistan to not only pursue the case to its logical completion but also take efforts to prevent a recurrence in future. One does not get paid anything extra for performing one's own duty. I get an award when I go beyond my call of duty. Pakistan, therefore, does not deserve an Indian PM's visit on that score even when the case is closed with all the terrorists sentenced. By repeatedly emphasizing that the Indian PM would go if there was some progress in the 26/11 case, we are condoning more serious Pakistani persuasions of intolerance, enduring hostility with us and preaching of hatred against us among their people, factors which come in the way of establishing a normal state-to-state relationship. Of what use are these measures when the fundamental problem is refused to be not even acknowledged by Pakistan ? We have seen and the world has seen how Pakistan promises action when pressurized only to secretively dilute it and in fact do the very opposite under a duplicitous facade. If India continues to insist on some progress in 26/11, Pakistan will take a perfectly cosmetic measure just to satisfy us and then pressurize us to concede more. The US, the Pakistani-partner in Aman-ki-asha, will join the chorus against us. Pakistan cannot and should not be rewarded by us for merely taking such insignificant steps. If they are so desperate to see the Indian PM land in Islamabad, let them sweat it out real hard. Let's remember that why they want Mr. Singh there is because they know that in a one-on-one meeting with Zardari, he will concede more.

Thirdly, what is our PM going to achieve by talking to a lame duck Zardari ? His PM may be out any minute and is simply hanging on to the post tenuously. The elections are around the corner and a caretaker government is on the cards. How can a Summit meeting take place in these circumstances ? It will be suicidal for us to send our PM to Islamabad and allow him to have one-on-one meetings with his counterpart or Pres. Zardari.

[SSridhar]

A Glance at the Haqqani Network - The Hindu

[Suppiah]

Tallel mountain wants Xinjiang to keep away from Pakbarian jehadi terrorist sewer scums...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 317800.cms

the same scum that our MMS wants to keep close to his bosom..

[CRamS]

SSridhar:

I recall an article just before MMS's 26/11 surrender where Jihadi Sethi predicted exactly this: namely, MMS is a good guy whose heart bleeds for TSP, but "hawks" in his own party will want to harp on 26/11. So TSP must manage India's pressure on 26/11 by giving MMS a few lolly pops here and there. This is exactly what TSP is doing. Managing India's 26/11 expectations so MMS has enough ammunition in India's "internal debates". I mean with deck so heavily skewed in favor of MMS/Sonia in the Indian media, wonder why he needs any lolly pops at all. MMS might as well come out and say what he feels, namely, lets forget 26/11 because India's and TSP's destinies are linked together yada yada. And I bet you, far from being castigated, MMS will be hailed as a great "statesman". And any feeble opposition to this from an Arun Jaitly or a Sushma Swarag will be dismissed as the rants of "Hindu nationalists".

[sadhana]

Keeping aside MMS's inexplicable desire to keep doing business with Pakistan, it is well to note that during NDA rule, the discussions were about whether land in border areas of J&K could be exchanged for 'peace' and Musharraf's '4 point plan' was being blathered about by all and sundry in Indian journalist community. In contrast, today the worry is about a PM's visit only and there is no question of any "agreement" with Pak Army whether on J&K, Siachen or Sir Creek.

[CRamS]

Keeping aside MMS's inexplicable desire to keep doing business with Pakistan, it is well to note that during NDA rule, the discussions were about whether land in border areas of J&K could be exchanged for 'peace' and Musharraf's '4 point plan' was being blathered about by all and sundry in Indian journalist community. In contrast, today the worry is about a PM's visit only and there is no question of any "agreement" with Pak Army whether on J&K, Siachen or Sir Creek.

You can't keep aside MMS's desire. He will inflict irreperable damage to India if he continues down this path. TSP is playing a brilliant divide and conquer strategy. By showing eagerness to do business with praising a Sikh PM to the skies, and trying to drive a wedge between him and India, TSP is trying to show that only Hindus are against piss with them. For example, TSP's diabolical plan to invite MMS to visit a Sikh shrine in the vicinity of 26/11 anniversary. By willingly going along with the TSP's game plan (I know he has not yet accepted TSP's invite), MMS is showing immense insensitivity to TSP neurotic obsession to undo India. It will only be a matter of time before someone in India questions MMS's patriotic credentials openly. And when that happens, it will once again open the past suspicions between Sikhs and Hindus. NDA's plan may have been bad, but MMS's is worse. But its not about Congress Vs NDA point scoring, its India we are talking about.

[sadhana]

But its not about Congress Vs NDA point scoring, its India we are talking about.

Actually you did make it about Congress vs NDA point scoring.

You can't keep aside MMS's desire. He will inflict irreperable damage to India if he continues down this path. TSP is playing a brilliant divide and conquer strategy. By showing eagerness to do business with praising a Sikh PM to the skies, and trying to drive a wedge between him and India, TSP is trying to show that only Hindus are against piss with them. For example, TSP's diabolical plan to invite MMS to visit a Sikh shrine in the vicinity of 26/11 anniversary. By willingly going along with the TSP's game plan (I know he has not yet accepted TSP's invite), MMS is showing immense insensitivity to TSP neurotic obsession to undo India. It will only be a matter of time before someone in India questions MMS's patriotic credentials openly. And when that happens, it will once again open the past suspicions between Sikhs and Hindus. NDA's plan may have been bad, but MMS's is worse.

Agree that Pakistan has a clear intention to drive such a wedge but MMS hasn't done anything yet to merit this breastbeating. The famous persecuted Hindus when in power were willing to concede a lot more to Pakistan, indicated by discussions even on BRF of trading land and sovereignty in J&K and communal partition of the state etc, in short Hindus were willing to concede much more than the Sikh PM ever has.

Better stop obfuscating the reality that every color of Indian has been willing to sell India down the river, even the famous celebrated Hindus. MMS being a minority PM has to watch his step, at least.