Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2012

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

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Dozens of Pakistani Hindus seek asylum in India

Logical Conclusion Of Partition
ISLAMABAD: A group of Pakistani Hindus arriving in the Indian state of Rajhasthan says that they will not return to their home country, according to a report published by the BBCUrdu.The group of 171 people arrived in Rajhasthan’s Jodhpur city via the ‘Thar Express’ train on Sunday.Although the passengers in the group traveled to the Indian state on pilgrimage visas for religious purposes, they claim they will not return to Pakistan.The Seemant Lok Sangthan (SLS), an organisation for Hindus from Pakistan settled in India, has appealed to the Indian government to grant the group immigrant visas.According to a spokesman of the organisation, all 171 people in the group have arrived in Jodhpur from Pakistan’s Sindh province, and “they all belong to Sanghar or Hyderabad.”
The group comprises of 32 women and children of whom a majority belong to the low-caste Bheel community of Hindus.“You can not understand our pain. My father recently passed away; I could not even find a place to perform my father’s last rites,” the BBCUrdu quoted one of the people arriving with the group. “We will not go back to Pakistan. You may kill us if you wish, but we will not return.”The news follows media reports earlier last month of hundreds of Pakistani Hindu nationals from Sindh allegedly migrating to India over concerns of religious persecution and security fears. A committee was formed by President Asif Ali Zardari to look into the reports of mass migration. However, the committee rejected the claims that members of the minority community were leaving Sindh.Later in August, authorities in Rajhasthan state announced that around 900 Pakistani Hindus had become eligible to apply for Indian citizenship. The people included those Pakistanis who had traveled to India prior to December 31, 2004 and refused return to their home country.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

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sadhana wrote:
Better stop obfuscating the reality that every color of Indian has been willing to sell India down the river, even the famous celebrated Hindus. MMS being a minority PM has to watch his step, at least.
Cut the rubbish. MMS is the current PM and we are analyzing his policies. What NDA did or did not do is irrelevant.
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Reason: relax. watch your language.
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Agree that Pakistan has a clear intention to drive such a wedge but MMS hasn't done anything yet to merit this breastbeating. The famous persecuted Hindus when in power were willing to concede a lot more to Pakistan, indicated by discussions even on BRF of trading land and sovereignty in J&K and communal partition of the state etc, in short Hindus were willing to concede much more than the Sikh PM ever has.

Better stop obfuscating the reality that every color of Indian has been willing to sell India down the river, even the famous celebrated Hindus. MMS being a minority PM has to watch his step, at least.
The UPA-IA spat under Gen VK Singh, many believe, has its roots in the IA's unwillingness to dilute its stand on territory (e.g. Siachen in the annexures as opposed to the main document) or operational freedom (e.g. removal of AFSPA etc). Its wrong to say that under the current tragic figure, there're been no attempts to talk land exchange etc. Q is how hard a bargain are you willing to drive. MMS does not inspire much on that count. A Gujral redux is what the security establishment prolly fears from his Indo-Pak puppi-jhuppi ness.

That said, sure, the NDA could have done much better than what they did do and all that. The kandahar hijacking is a case in the point. Taking away the distortionary lens of media is also important to understand context and constraints, IMHO.
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CRamS wrote:
sadhana wrote:
Better stop obfuscating the reality that every color of Indian has been willing to sell India down the river, even the famous celebrated Hindus. MMS being a minority PM has to watch his step, at least.
... What NDA did or did not do is irrelevant.
Saar, you should be careful with this logic. Double edged sword. What Congress did or did not do in the past 60 years will become irrelevant :mrgreen:
But yeah, in general, any Govt cannot hide behind failures of previous Govts.
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There is no doubt that no Indian government is blameless as far as tackling Pakistan went. Some less, and others more. The Congress and the United Front governments should take the most blame, but NDA is not too far behind either. Congress certainly tops the list especially because of the length of time it has ruled this country and especially because of the events leading to the creation of Pakistan and later the Kashmir and terrorism issues. There was a single epochal event of the secession of East Pakistan and the massive defeat of the PA during the Congress period for which we need to applaud that party, even as it is marred by lost opportunities, as some say. On the whole, we have been clueless all along and we are compounding our mistakes now, The present situation is unprecedented.
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171 Hindus arrive seeking asylum
The leader of the group said they were seeking refugee status in India for the sake of “self-respect”, religious freedom and their children’s future.
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SSridhar wrote:171 Hindus arrive seeking asylum
The leader of the group said they were seeking refugee status in India for the sake of “self-respect”, religious freedom and their children’s future.
Communique:

Pakistan regrets the desertion of a few misled individuals. It may be noted that while 99.999% of the victims in Pakistan in the fight against terrorists (who, as we all know, have no religion) are Muslims, 100% of the individuals in this case who have sought asylum in India are Hindus.

GOP will not comment on the obvious valor and self -sacrifice of one community, as opposed to the highly regrettable cowardice, not to say betrayal, of another.

At the same time Pakistan will not be bullied by such individual deserters who clearly wish to undermine her peaceful, tolerant and non-violent credentials. Pakistan reserves the right to deploy extreme measures against those who do.

Finally, Pakistan has been a frontline fighter in the war on terror, and will continue to be a global leader in the coming decades.
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CRS, sadhana et al, Please dont discuss India in this thread. Thanks, ramana
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SSridhar wrote:171 Hindus arrive seeking asylum
The leader of the group said they were seeking refugee status in India for the sake of “self-respect”, religious freedom and their children’s future.
Pakistan official response to this from just a few days ago...

pakistan-says-atrocities-against-hindus-is-a-myth
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http://dawn.com/2012/09/10/india-pakistan-equation/
Moreover, the last decade has shown lack of Indian military or diplomatic resource to compel Pakistan to clamp down on terrorism and so its best chance is to allow the liberal interdependence theory — economic interaction leading to peace — to work its magic. In the interim, it realises that more Mumbais may come but it will absorb that cost as long as the process seems to be led by economics rather than outstanding political disputes.
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Pakistani press misreads Krishna
LAHORE: Pakistani newspapers misread foreign minister S M Krishna's verbal volleys on the India-Pakistan peace process to draw the inference that India is willing to drop its "hard line" position on 26/11 and move on with its relations with Islamabad.

...the media here saw "delinking" to include India dropping the speedy trial of top Lashkar-e-Taiba leaders for the 26/11 attacks as a condition for genuine and rapid normalization of relations. This interpretation stems from Krishna's remark — in response to aggressive questions by Pakistani journalists — that he did not mean that progress on disputes was contingent on forward movement in the 26/11 case.

Pakistani media ignored Krishna's remarks on talks for a desire for progress in the Mumbai trial and his stout refusal to offer commitment on the date of the PM's visit to Pakistan. He partly withdrew his statement that something "worthwhile" must accrue to only replace it with "the need for the right atmosphere".
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we may have a sudden change of decision from GOI close to the actual date.

Pakistan wants Manmohan in Nankana Sahib on Nov 28
November 28. Pakistani government officials shared this information with a leading international affairs think tank in London.

The indication tallies with Pakistan foreign minister Hina Rabbani Khar's statement that she is expecting the Indian PM's visit before the end of this year.

Pakistan's president Asif Ali Zardari and the PPP are said to be keen on having Singh over this year itself as the country faces a general election early in 2013. Sources said Zardari is also pushing for Singh's presence in
Pakistan as there is virtually an all-party consensus for better relations with India.

However, when the think tank contacted the Government of India to verify the Pakistani claim, New Delhi did not corroborate it. India remains firm that Pakistan needs to demonstrate purpose in prosecuting Pakistan-based masterminds of the terrorist attack on Mumbai in November 2008.

The think tank's general assessment is that India does not share the exuberance emanating from Pakistan about a "sea change in the atmospherics" between the two countries.

"Pakistan inevitably reaches out to India when it's in trouble and then backtracks ," said an analyst....

"India would probably be wary of its PM being enticed into a visit to Nankana Sahib ," said another analyst. His argument was Pakistan may be attempting to project an image of being tolerant towards minorities, when the truth has increasingly been just the opposite....
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SSridhar wrote:On the whole, we have been clueless all along and we are compounding our mistakes now, The present situation is unprecedented.
We will remain clueless until the official policy of the Indian government becomes protection of Hindu interests. Pakistani and Bangladeshi governments are not apologetic that they are Islamic governments. They openly work for interest of the Ummah and furthering the interests of the faith in the subcontinent -- every decision they take is based on this objective. It is Indian government which refuses to have anything do with Hindu culture -- and it keeps wondering on what basis to take decisions. Sometimes it mumbles about secularism (an artificial concept), but that's it.

This delinking of Indian government from the native culture of the land is the reason for this cluelessness and lack of purpose in foreign diplomacy -- the government has no idea where it has to go or the goals to achieve. There are no national aims of the Indian government or a future vision, like the Pakistanis have (dominance of Muslims in the region and landgrab in the name of Islam). This is also the reason why Jinnah was so clear on acquiring Kashmir (grabbing land to further the dominance of Islam in the region) while Nehru was running around like a headless chicken. One was furthering his faith and civilisation; the other had washed his hands of it and had no parameter left on which to take his decisions. Nehru's case is a classic example of what happens to a deracinated man and how much havoc he can cause on his own people if given power.
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What this "relaxed visa" policy will show is that 99.95% of applicants will be pukis with no intention to go back and the rest 0.05% will be Indian WKKs for their voyueristic escapades with puki counterparts.

Now, IF such a large and disproportionate % of pukis are going to a nation that is considered as "archenemy", how might puki army explain their "our nukes are against India only" posture to both internal and external actors/non-state actors/other assorted BC and MCs?
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Nov 28 Visit will make the ruling parties true UPA= Uncircumcised Paqqi Animal.
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i hope pakistani hindus, sikhs and christians make use of the visa policy to escape persecution in pakistan
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Anindya wrote:Pakistani press misreads Krishna
He partly withdrew his statement that something "worthwhile" must accrue to only replace it with "the need for the right atmosphere".
poor old man...cannot handle the pressure and pakis have realised this
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The biggest Towel of the century..A open letter to the MMS.

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Below is the open letter published by a Pakistani common-man to MMS. It was published in the pakistani newspaper Dawn.

This towel is the strongest indicator that Jinnah's dream has completely and utterly failed.

http://dawn.com/2012/09/10/an-unposted- ... -pm-singh/

"Now that pyare Pakistan is in ruins..let's go and beg our arch enemy for refuge"..Truly shameless creatures! :evil:

Rajagopal.
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^^^

Don't worry. We can welcome them if they are willing to bring their land with them. RAW was looking for new places to build their 3478th consulate.
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Rajagopal - the reason to reject Pakistani asylum seekers is in the video below - the Pakistani (most probably) is looking for asylum in Japan, and yet his sense of entitlement and chutzpah is nauseating. Let Pakistanis seek asylum in Greece in stead - looks like, the Greeks have figured out the Pakistanis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mniRWNC_ ... r_embedded
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Rajagopal wrote:Below is the open letter published by a Pakistani common-man to MMS. It was published in the pakistani newspaper Dawn.

This towel is the strongest indicator that Jinnah's dream has completely and utterly failed.

http://dawn.com/2012/09/10/an-unposted- ... -pm-singh/

"Now that pyare Pakistan is in ruins..let's go and beg our arch enemy for refuge"..Truly shameless creatures! :evil:

Rajagopal.
Don't worry. Some Indians are already there crying their hearts out for Pakistan brothers/sisters. You got to see the comments there. Idiots.
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Chandragupta wrote:
Don't worry. Some Indians are already there crying their hearts out for Pakistan brothers/sisters. You got to see the comments there. Idiots.
Might be pakis posting under Indian names for aman ka tamasha . How do we know for sure that those are Indians only :twisted:
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This was posted on the FB page of PML(N) on 11 Aug.
Looks like Google Chacha didn't tell some nutjob the difference between Pakistani Gujrat & Indian Gujarat!
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^^ and its a double whammy because it was done under the leadership of diablo numero uno...."narinder mody"..
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Lalmohan wrote:i hope pakistani hindus, sikhs and christians make use of the visa policy to escape persecution in pakistan
Why I ask? Isnt there vatican for that? I would rather add Parsi to the list and put a big full stop after that
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Somebody I know sent this to the FBI 2 days ago:
Hello Sir/Madam:

Last Sunday (Sept. 2), I was driving around town and casually listening to a local Pakistani radio show, broadcast in the Urdu language. The station was 1110 AM (see email chain below), and what I am reporting was broadcast between noon and 1 PM that day. I am originally from India, and I understand the Urdu language fairly well (though not perfectly).

The segment I am referring to began around 12:20 or so, and was, I am figuring, a sermon about the glory of Islam.

Nothing wrong with that, of course, but this sermon began this way (I am paraphrasing):

"-- there are, in our (Islamic) community, some who think that it is proper to leave other faiths and their faithful alone, just as we expect them to leave us be. But this wrong, and not permitted in Islam. This is because the very fundamental oath of Islam (the Kalima, saying "there is no God but Allah.....") implies a negation of all other faiths, and it is incumbent on true Muslims to not let other faiths be by themselves. But rather, true Muslims must challenge and overcome other faiths, since this is what our fundamental oath demands."

This by itself might be okay, since in the USA, I am figuring that one has a right to be an intolerant bigot, and perhaps even a right to broadcast this on radio airwaves.

But what came next perturbed me, and which led me to engage in the series of emails below.

The preacher then continued, and again paraphrasing, broadcast this:

"-- Our fundamental duty is to not just impose our faith in the entire world, but we must work to uproot and throw away ("ukhaaad kar phenk dho" in Urdu) all non-Islamic forms of governments. Not just here in the US, but all over the world. For this, I urge you to go and find local seats of this government and other faiths, and congregate there and offer your prayers ("namaaz") there. Nobody will stop you from doing this, so do try it."

This bit about uprooting and throwing away existing government and political order sounded very improper to me. Presumably, the broadcasters are naturalized citizens, and hence have taken an oath to protect and preserve our union and our form of democratic government.

I have been wanting to listen to this segment again, and share it with others, and hence the email chain below, where I have requested (for a fee, if necessary) an audio copy of that broadcast.

I was under the impression that radio stations were required by the FCC to maintain audio archives. But the radio station referred me to Mr. Siddiqui, who called me, and said that they had no archived copy of what was broadcast last Sunday.

Best regards,
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On one hand, you read about the extreme views being peddled by Pakistanis on the US airwaves a decade after 9-11. And on the other hand, you have a story like this:

Father's note changes family's 9/11 account
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[url=xxxhttp://dawn.com/2012/09/10/rain-flash-floods-kill-78-in-pakistan-officials/]Flood ritual begins in pakistan[/url]
At least 78 people died and dozens were injured as torrential rains and flash floods wreaked havoc in Pakistan over the past three days, a government spokesman said Monday.
AoA. May allah pour water over this dehydrated country and may many more waterkit djinns emerge. May allah bring lightening storms for electroni--electrocu---electrolysij
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[url=xxxhttp://dawn.com/2012/09/10/car-bomb-kills-10-in-parachinar-officials/]bum dhamaka in Peshabar[/url]
PESHAWAR: A car bomb exploded at a market in northwest Pakistan on Monday, killing at least 10 people and wounding 45, officials said, adding that the death toll was likely to climb.

Many people had been walking along a narrow road beside the market in the town of Parachinar in the Kurram tribal area when the bomb exploded, the officials said.

“A large number of people were present in the market when the blast took place,” said tribesman Dildar Hussain by telephone.

“Most of those killed and injured were the poor people selling vegetable and fresh fruits on their push-carts.”

He said the explosives were planted in a vehicle loaded with grapes.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the blast.
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[url=XXXhttp://dawn.com/2012/09/10/car-bomb-kills-10-in-parachinar-officials/]Car bomb kills 10 in Parachinar: officials[/url]

[url=XXXhttp://dawn.com/2012/09/10/fishing-boat-capsizes-off-karachi-11-bodies-recovered/]Fishing boat capsizes off Karachi; 11 bodies recovered[/url]

[url=XXXhttp://dawn.com/2012/09/10/rain-flash-floods-kill-78-in-pakistan-officials/]Rain, flash floods kill 78 in Pakistan: officials[/url]

10+11+78 = 99

Its been a while since pakistan scored a century. I wish them luck.
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In Pakistan’s Punjab, parents stop sending girls to school
People in a village in Pakistan’s Punjab province have stopped sending their daughters to a school after it was merged with a boys’ institute, saying co-education was against Islamic teachings, a media report said Monday.
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Brad Goodman wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:i hope pakistani hindus, sikhs and christians make use of the visa policy to escape persecution in pakistan
Why I ask? Isnt there vatican for that? I would rather add Parsi to the list and put a big full stop after that

Brad, All of them are former Hindus. The Christians in TSP are Hindus who converted to escape the Mullahs gaze. Didn't help.

And no Vatican will support them.

The Parsis are needed in TSP to run their liqour stores. So none of them will make a beeline to India.
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ramana wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote: Why I ask? Isnt there vatican for that? I would rather add Parsi to the list and put a big full stop after that

Brad, All of them are former Hindus. The Christians in TSP are Hindus who converted to escape the Mullahs gaze.

The Parsis are needed in TSP to run their liqour stores. So none of them will make a beeline to India.
Yes and Djinnah didnt allow them to migrate to India (using subtle threats of violent consequences) as the lower "cast" were required to man all the unclean jobs, which the Pure momeen of pureland cant be expected to takeup.

And on our side all the "secular" congress leaders including Nehru never bothered for the plight of impoverished hindus especially in Sindh.

http://www.joshuaproject.net/countries. ... &listing=Y
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We don't see the TFT Nuggest posted here anymore but below is one from the current editon:
Join confederation with India and BD!

Federal minister for railways Ghulam Ahmad Bilour was reported by Express as saying that Pakistan should join in a confederal arrangement with India and Bangladesh. Another politician formerly in Q League government Tariq Azim said that the proposal was impractical and was planted on the basis of foreign (ghair-mulki) agenda. Bilour replied that he had not suggested a change in territorial boundaries.
Here is a SuchGup on the 'Im the dim" and his Gym upstairs:
An attractive foreign woman journo (or British TV anchor?) interviewed The Great Khan last month and then went to a get-together of hacks and hackettes in Karachi. She told her listeners, amongst whom there were two editors and an author that The Great Khan had been most accommodating during the interview. She also said that he'd declared at the end of the interview that had it not been"Ramadan", he would have asked her upstairs to his room.
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THE PAKISTAN ARMY IN EAST PAKISTAN-1971 WAR
UNDERSTANDING THE 1971 CRISIS

COMMENTS ON BOOK REVIEW OF AHMAD FARUQUI ON GENERAL NIAZIS BOOK
PUBLISHED DEFENCE JOURNAL KARACHI JUNE 2000
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MAJOR AGHA H AMIN (RETIRED)

http://indopakmilitaryhistory.blogspot. ... istan.html


Bengal did not become independent because of Bengali Hindu fears about being in a Muslim majority independent Bengal. Thus the connection with “Two Nation Theory” was not the reason why Bengal was divided in 1947. Mr Jinnah saw in 1946 i.e the inadvisability of having Bengal in Pakistan without Calcutta. Something that the Pakistani policy makers failed to grasp till 1971! It is to Jinnah’s credit that he brought Bengalis in the army by raising the first two battalions of the East Bengal regiment. A process, which was stopped by Ayub from 1950 to 1966, as a result of which Pakistan Army instead of becoming a broad based national army like the post 1947 Indian Army, remained, a Punjabi dominated army. A factor which contributed a great deal to the separation of East Pakistan. The Two Nation Theory was created due to certain reasons which at that time were valid albeit relatively. It did not exist in 711 AD or in 1857 but was enunciated in the period 1860-1940. In 1971 it was no longer valid at least for the Bengali Muslims and they rejected it.
My second contention pertains to the author’s quoting a Pakistani General stating that “Never before had a Muslim army surrendered before a Hindu army or the assertion that the Pakistan Army was a bearer of traditions of the early Muslim conquerors of India! This assertion is absolutely false ! The problem is that we have to get out of this “Martial Races Syndrome”. The vast bulk of Pakistan army consists of men with Hindu or Buddhist ancestry! As a matter of fact the Hindu Rajputs of the north of Chenab area from where the vast bulk of Pakistan army is recruited were far more difficult to govern before they were converted to Islam!

The only positive connection that these races had with the Muslim Turks was the fact that one of their members killed Sultan Ghauri! Even the Pathans, the second largest group of Pakistani soldiers, had little connection with Turkish invasions of India! Babar did not like the Pathans and the Pathans generally remained in conflict with the Muslim governments in Delhi! Many Muslim forts surrendered to the Hindu Marathas during the Maratha war in the south. The Marathas captured Delhi long before 1971 in mid -18th century and held it with uneven gaps till 1803 once the British captured it. As a matter of fact the problem is that most of our worthy generals have not read military history of the sub-continent. The Pakistan Army is not the descendant of the Turk armies that invaded India! Of course with the exceptions of some genuinely Mughal villages like Lehr Sultanpur etc! The Pakistan Army is a chip from the block of the old mercenary British army with its origins in the “Mutiny Loyalty of Punjabi Muslim Pathan and Sikh soldiers” who attacked Delhi for the first time in September 1857 and in phenomenal staunchness of Punjabi soldiers while facing the Muslim Turks in WW One! The Punjabis once totalled as Muslim Hindu and Sikh, as an ethnic group became the largest single group and the vast bulk of the British Indian Army in the period 1883-1911.

The only positive connection that these races had with the Muslim Turks was the fact that one of their members killed Sultan Ghauri! Even the Pathans, the second largest group of Pakistani soldiers, had little connection with Turkish invasions of India! Babar did not like the Pathans and the Pathans generally remained in conflict with the Muslim governments in Delhi! Many Muslim forts surrendered to the Hindu Marathas during the Maratha war in the south. The Marathas captured Delhi long before 1971 in mid -18th century and held it with uneven gaps till 1803 once the British captured it. As a matter of fact the problem is that most of our worthy generals have not read military history of the sub-continent. The Pakistan Army is not the descendant of the Turk armies that invaded India! Of course with the exceptions of some genuinely Mughal villages like Lehr Sultanpur etc! The Pakistan Army is a chip from the block of the old mercenary British army with its origins in the “Mutiny Loyalty of Punjabi Muslim Pathan and Sikh soldiers” who attacked Delhi for the first time in September 1857 and in phenomenal staunchness of Punjabi soldiers while facing the Muslim Turks in WW One! The Punjabis once totalled as Muslim Hindu and Sikh, as an ethnic group became the largest single group and the vast bulk of the British Indian Army in the period 1883-1911.


In 1883 there were about 34.09 % or 120 Punjabi companies (25 Punjabi Muslims, 18 Punjabi Dogra Hindus and 77 Punjabi Sikhs) and 15 Pathan companies out of the total 352 infantry companies of the Regular Bengal Army. By 1911 the Indian Army was a more than 50 % Punjabi army although never a Muslim majority army. In 1929 thanks to Pathan and Ranghar defiance of the British in WW One the Punjabi percentage (divided into roughly one third Muslim Sikh and Hindu) of the Indian Army rose to 54.36% if the Gurkhas were included and to 61.8 % if Gurkhas were excluded. The Pathan share at this time stood at 4.02 % out of which all were not ethnic or linguistic Pathans. (Refers- Map on page-96 - Report of Indian Statutory Commission-Volume One- Calcutta - Government of India - Publication Branch - 1930). The low caste Hindu Marathas militarily defeated the Mughals long before 1971 and their hold on India was finally successfully challenged not by any Punjabi or Pathan Muslim army but by the Bengal and Madras armies of the English East India Companies at Laswari and Assaye respectively in 1803!

The problem is that we have forgotten that all territory west of Aligarh district (including Aligarh), including Delhi Agra Punjab and Frontier was under Hindu Maratha or non-Muslim Sikh rule till 1803 or as late as 1849!

There were no martial races in Muslim majority Punjab, at least to rule Punjab till 1849! So much for the martial traditions of Muslims of Indo-Pak! It was all situational, there being no martial races! But somehow in Pakistan by 1950s myth became mixed with reality and myth finally gained the upper hand ! The winter of our discontent finally came in the killing fields of Bengal in December 1971!
Punjab later dubbed as a martial province with a Muslim majority was firmly under Sikh domination despite the fact that the Sikhs were a 8 or 9 % minority! During Sikh rule mosques were often used as military magazines, including the famous Badshahi mosque and some times plastered with cow dung (Pages -347 to 360— “Lahore -Past and Present” - M.Baqir, Punjabi Adabi Academy, Lahore—1984)as happened with the Golden Mosque of Kashmiri Bazaar Lahore ! So much for the martial traditions, just 122 years ago, of the largely Punjabi Muslim army that surrendered in East Pakistan! The problem ironically was the fact that the same West Pakistanis, who despised Bengalis as non-Martial race in March 1971, at least were not as martial in 1849, as they became in 1914, because of British recruitment policies and situational reasons!



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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

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The Great Khan had been most accommodating during the interview. She also said that he'd declared at the end of the interview that had it not been"Ramadan", he would have asked her upstairs to his room.


Quite the self-confidence for someone who looks like a washed up junkie.
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Before criticizing the author too harshly, I would suggest you check out her previous articles.
http://dawn.com/author/faizamirza/
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Some Ahmediyyas I met now claim they are from Bombay. They disown TSP. Say that they were misguided at time of Partition.
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