Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 11 Sep 2012 23:32

UK: Channel 4 cancels Islam documentary after presenter threatened

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 12 Sep 2012 09:36

^ It seems Islam teaches only one way to respond to its followers, violence. What the Islamists do not realize that eventually the rest of the world's patience will run out and then they will get their terrorist asses whooped all the way back to Timbuk2.

ranjbe · Post by **ranjbe** » 12 Sep 2012 09:48

A portion of the film made by Sam Bacile which is causing the riots in Egypt and Libya, and the death of US consulate official in Benghazi, for what else, insulting PBUH:

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 12 Sep 2012 10:24

Dipanker wrote:^ It seems Islam teaches only one way to respond to its followers, violence. What the Islamists do not realize that eventually the rest of the world's patience will run out and then they will get their terrorist asses whooped all the way back to Timbuk2.

The way the Elites of the world especially in countries such as India, they feel they have very goood chance of wiping out ever other religion once they become a Majority in an area. the Only such thinking can be reversed if countries such as Saudi and Kuwait and brought to book and common religious freedonm to choose ones religion, have place of worship should be agreed whether it is India or Saudi.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 12 Sep 2012 10:27

Anti Islam filmmaker in hiding after protests

LOS ANGELES: A filmmaker has gone into hiding after his movie attacking Islam's Prophet Muhammad sparked assaults on US missions in Egypt and Libya, where an American State Department officer was killed.

Writer and director Sam Bacile spoke on the phone on Tuesday from an unidentified location. He remained defiant, saying Islam is "a cancer" and he wanted his film to make a political statement.

The 56-year-old identifies himself as an Israeli Jew and says he believes his video will help his native land by exposing Islam's flaws to the world. Excerpts dubbed into Arabic were posted on YouTube.

Among other claims that have caused outrage, the film claims Muhammad was a philanderer who approved of child sexual abuse.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 13 Sep 2012 00:47

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 13 Sep 2012 06:47

The full movie.

Very poorly made for sure.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 13 Sep 2012 11:19

by making such a big deal out of this movie, isn't the West actually giving more ammo to the Islamists?

It's a b-grade video which I didn't even hear or know about until these "protests". one has to wonder if people actually living in US didn't even know about it, how did these Yahoos living across the planet, with much less exposure to internet find this? and how did they manage to make such a big deal out of it, when its exposure was basically nill until the protests started?

this is how Islamists gain ground. force the non-muslim to capitulate on fundamental issues of rights and freedoms, and eventually you've compromised enough that you don't see any difference.

one also wonders if some of the elites in the West are enamored of Islam due to this ability of it to gradually impose totalitarianism?

there is just too much focus on the stupid video in the media...

Inder Sharma · Post by **Inder Sharma** » 13 Sep 2012 11:41

I think, the video is not the issue.
First an interested hizb-sect-regime–tanzeem-irregulars-‘non state actors’ (you may continue to fill this space) find a regressive Islamist agenda that needs to be fulfilled.
It then plans the action required to meet those objectives. (like mob rioting, assassination, killing etc , you full fill the manifest Islamist incident of your choice)
It then looks for the façade, for the outrage, for the trigger point. This is to mask their action as a justified retaliation and win the street sympathy.
With internet filled with so much anti-prophet content, you can have similar rioting each day. But rioting happens selectively. This suggests that it is not the content which is the trigger. The content is just the tool.
As you rightly said, the focus should not be on the video, it should be on the retrogressive agenda, it should be on the easy irritability of the Muslims.

chandrabhan · Post by **chandrabhan** » 13 Sep 2012 14:37

I cant understand why Mard-e-Momins of TSP have no protested against the film? What is wrong with them when all the other believers are breaking down gates and killing people the sword of Islam is quietly relaxing. Get Up birathers, Get up birathers and redefine the rules of protest. Your voice should be heard till Yumrica.

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 13 Sep 2012 14:48

The video is gone removed by user
its like in mav's world this post deleted by poster
(in actuality the bloger presse the delete button

)
Jannat pahunch gaya

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 13 Sep 2012 17:23

Yemeni protesters storm US embassy in Sanaa

TOI Quoting AFP

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 14 Sep 2012 00:50

Filmaker real identity found

A federal law enforcement official said Thursday that Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, was the man behind "Innocence of Muslims," a film denigrating Islam and the Prophet Muhammad that sparked protests earlier in the week in Egypt and Libya and now in Yemen.

Bacile initially claimed a Jewish and Israeli background. But others involved in the film said his statements were contrived as evidence mounted that the film's key player was a southern Californian Coptic Christian with a checkered past.

Seems like a bone-headed move that will make the remaining Copts left in Egypt to pay the price..

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Sep 2012 00:58

Well the Copts were the first ot recieve the wrath of islam under Amr and Tarek's invasion of Egypt.
Bacile is a variant of Basil a common Orthodox name.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Sep 2012 01:02

Exiled Father Buturos Zacharia on mission is a coptic Christo. The echo of his true message rings loud in this Pole-Khole Pictrol of actual past Mahowl.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 14 Sep 2012 03:27

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/12/what- ... y-attacks/

What really motivated the embassy attacks?

The September 11 murder of U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens, a mob’s sacking of the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, and the attack on the U.S. embassy in Cairo demonstrate the war against terrorism is far from over. Disturbingly, 11 years after al Qaida’s devastating attack on New York and Washington, neither the White House nor the State Department appears to recognize what the fight is about.

As protests erupted outside the U.S. embassy in Cairo, embassy public affairs officer Larry Schwartz tweeted — and then re-tweeted — a condemnation of the controversial film which initial reports suggested motivated the rioters. “We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others,” the embassy’s feed declared. The Arabic tweets were even more fervent: “We vehemently reject the actions of those who abuse the worldwide right to freedom of expression in order to injure the religious beliefs of others.” It would be unfair to make Schwartz the fall guy. After all, the tweets — which Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ordered deleted — were no outlier. Even before the smoke cleared from the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, President Barack Obama effused moral equivalency. “While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others,” he declared, “we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants.”

The idea that the riots were spontaneous shows detachment from the reality of the Middle East. Dozens of heavily armed and murderous Islamists sacking embassies are not flash mobs of teenagers converging on a mall food court. When I lived in pre-war Iraq, the Islamic Republic of Iran, and Yemen, my students and colleagues often spoke of how they had been informed by government representatives where to board buses to attend “spontaneous” rallies to be held the following day.

The 2006 Danish cartoon crisis is a case in point. The Middle East erupted into protest not as the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten published its cartoons, but rather three months later — and several weeks after an Egyptian and Indonesian paper republished without incident the controversial depiction of the Prophet Muhammad. Danish authorities later reconstructed what happened: After the cartoons’ publication, the Turkish ambassador in Copenhagen complained to Abdullah Gül, Turkey’s Islamist president, who in turn called his friend, Ekmeleddin İhsanoğlu, head of the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC), an association of 56 majority Muslim states promoting Islamic solidarity. High on the OIC agenda is the imposition of international laws prohibiting criticism of Islam and speech offensive to Muslims. The cartoons provided an opportunity to translate contrived grievance into political concession. There followed an organized campaign to rally radicals. In the end, more than 100 people perished in the ensuing “spontaneous” violence.

The White House and diplomats may wish to believe a distasteful, provocative, and inflammatory film motivated the violence in both Egypt and Libya. It is comforting for politicians and officials to ascribe the root cause of Islamist terrorism to grievance because if grievance motivates terror, then resolving the grievance could provide the solution.

Islamist terrorism, however, has far less to do with material grievance than ideology. Obama’s serial dismissal of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the Jewish state’s security concerns suggest an assumption that Israel’s behavior — or perhaps its very existence — provokes Islamist terror. The problem with the belief that Israel represents original sin is that Islamist terror predates Israel’s creation and, indeed, the partition of Palestine. In 1946, the Military Intelligence Division of the War Department, the predecessor to today’s Defense Intelligence Agency, identified Muslim Brotherhood terror as posing a growing threat to the international order. Years later, Abdullah Azzam, a Muslim Brotherhood acolyte, would teach his student Osama bin Laden that Western culture was a deliberate plot dreamed up in the bowels of the Pentagon to separate Muslim youth from religion. Diplomats may accept the idea that Jihad is first and foremost about the struggle to better oneself and only violent in defense, but if the Islamists like Azzam, Bin Laden, and blind Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman believe they have been attacked by the likes of Beethoven, Britney Spears, and the Backstreet Boys, then they believe violence against the West is justified. Women’s rights? Justification for murder. Religious tolerance? An abomination justifying slaughter. Free speech? An excuse to kill. Simply put, when the grievance is Western freedom, there can be no compromise. It is time that President Obama and the men and women representing the United States abroad understand that.

The war on terrorism and, more specifically, the fight against Islamist radicalism, is an ideological battle. The United States, moderate Muslims, and those valuing freedom and liberty must triumph not only on the battlefield, but also in the classroom and on the airwaves. Alas, apologies and self-flagellation represent not a path to peace, but little more than preemptive surrender.

Michael Rubin is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a senior lecturer at the Naval Postgraduate School.

it would have been nice if he had said something specific about the political calculus in WANA right now, and how this attack figures into it.

member_19969 · Post by **member_19969** » 14 Sep 2012 11:17

Islamist Violence Highlights potential for radicalization in India

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 14 Sep 2012 22:28

Three protesters killed as crowds attempt to storm US, German, UK embassies in Sudan

http://rt.com/news/german-embassy-sudan-protesters-142/

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 14 Sep 2012 22:40

Across the globe, a 14-minute YouTube clip of an anti-Muslim movie is sparking protests against U.S. Embassies and institutions.

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=20 ... C53.613281

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 14 Sep 2012 22:57

We should give it to the director, yes the movie is poorly made, but that is not the point. He had the ball$ to thumb his nose at the mouth frothers (rabid jihadists who froth at mouth) for calling Mohammad gay and child molester.

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 15 Sep 2012 00:27

TUNIS, Sept 14 (Reuters) - Tunisian protesters jumped over the wall of the U.S. embassy compound in Tunis on Friday and broke windows and set fire to trees, a Reuters witness said.

A large fire could be seen burning inside the compound. Police fired teargas at the hundreds of protesters who were demonstrating at the embassy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/1 ... 84068.html

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 15 Sep 2012 02:47

Surasena wrote:TUNIS, Sept 14 (Reuters) - Police fired teargas at the hundreds of ~~protesters~~ RIOTERS who were demonstrating at the embassy.

Tear gas, huh? If that does not get them to rethink, laughing gas should be next.

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 15 Sep 2012 04:00

One killed in Lebanon protest over anti-Islam film, pope
Reuters – 9 hrs ago

TRIPOLI, Lebanon (Reuters) - One demonstrator was killed and two others were wounded in clashes with security forces in the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli on Friday in protests over a film insulting the Muslim Prophet Mohammad and against the pope's visit to Lebanon.
A security source said the man was killed as protesters tried to storm a government building. Earlier, a U.S. fast food restaurant was set alight. Twelve members of the security forces were wounded by stones thrown by protesters, the source said.
The U.S.-made film has sparked violent protests in Libya, where the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans were killed, and in Egypt, Yemen and Sudan and there are fears the demonstrations could spread to other Muslim countries.
The protests coincided with Pope Benedict's arrival in Lebanon for a three-day visit.
Lebanese security forces had earlier opened fire after protesters torched a fast food restaurant in Tripoli and threw rocks at a state building, shouting anti-American slogans and chanting against the pope's visit to Lebanon.
A Reuters journalist at the scene saw hundreds of protesters dodging gunfire and teargas as they hurled stones at security forces in armored vehicles. Protesters chanted "We don't want the pope," and "No more insults (to Islam)".

http://news.yahoo.com/crowd-lebanon-tor ... 51873.html

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 15 Sep 2012 04:08

Andrew Klavan: How to Behave During an Islamic Massacre

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 15 Sep 2012 04:20

Now it is beginning to look like real Islamic protests:

7 die as Anti-Islam film protests escalate

At least seven people were killed on Friday in demonstrations over a film made in the US that mocks Islam - as protests spread around the world.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 15 Sep 2012 13:41

Was watching BR in office 2 hrs back, a colleague from ROP saw the riot pictures and went on a rant about how Jews are responsible for everything including The Pentacostal chruch in India. Quietly said ok and continued, this from a GUY who drinks and eats during events at Ramadan durign daytime.

would wonder to what extent the fundoo's are brainwashed

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 15 Sep 2012 21:33

Indonesian protesters say anti-islam film declares war

Outside the US embassy in the Indonesian capital, the protesters — men and women with children in tow — carried banners that read "We condemn the insult against Allah's messenger," and the Koranic verse "There is no God but Allah."

A speaker from the pro-Caliphate organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir that organized the protest, told the crowd: "This film insulted our prophet and we condemn it. The film is a declaration of war."

The crowd shouted back: "Allahu akbar!" (God is greatest), while police clad in riot gear stood guard nearby.

Another speaker declared: "The US does not deserve to stay here," as the crowd roared that Americans be expelled from the world's largest Muslim nation.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 15 Sep 2012 21:47

Kill, kill, kill - we've been offended - the message is consistent and clear....
Egypt: Preachers ask for death of film maker

Two Islamist preachers in Egypt told worshippers on Friday that those who made a movie deemed insulting to the Prophet Mohammad deserved to die under sharia (Islamic law)

Camp Bastion assault: Two US marines die in 'Taliban revenge'

Insurgents have attacked Nato's heavily fortified Camp Bastion base in southern Afghanistan.
At least two US marines died when militants breached the perimeter of the sprawling base in Helmand province.The Taliban told the BBC that they carried out the attack in revenge for a film mocking Islam which has triggered protests around the Muslim world

Al Qaeda in Yemen urges Muslims to kill U.S. diplomats over film

The Yemen-based branch of al Qaeda urged Muslims to step up protests and kill more U.S. diplomats in Muslim countries after a U.S.-made film mocking the Prophet Mohammad which it said was another chapter in the "crusader wars" against Islam.

"Whoever comes across America's ambassadors or emissaries should follow the example of Omar al-Mukhtar's descendants (Libyans), who killed the American ambassador," the group said, referring to Tuesday's attack on the U.S. consulate in the Libyan city of Benghazi.

"Let the step of kicking out the embassies be a step towards liberating Muslim countries from the American hegemony," a statement posted on an Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) website on Saturday said.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 15 Sep 2012 22:06

Looks like Australia is beginning to face violent protests too...

Pictures of violent protests in Australia

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 15 Sep 2012 22:07

It will be naive to think all these things in isolation.

The fight is for the occupation of human mind. Slowly but surely the human consciousness is getting to accept following things.

1. That is is absolutely not ok to criticize Quran or it's prophet or Islamic way of life. If anyone does it, the Muslims all over the world (rich/poor, educated/uneducated, it doesn't matter) will create havoc in their native societies.

2. That the Ummah is always alive, irrespective of what some dhimmi apologists say putting smoke screens of Shia/Sunni and intra-Islamic fights. It doesn't matter if a Jewish American insults their way, but the Indian Muslims in Hindu majority India will create havoc, and so on.

3. The world cannot deny the rights of Muslims in their abusing and apartheid towards non-Muslims because it is said so in Quran. Refer to point 1, if you have any disagreements.

By not suppressing this nonsense brutally, the governments and societies all over the world have become light-green themselvess, irrespective of the excuses and justification they put for their inactions.

Perhaps the brahmastras are used preemptively before the costs are raised too high.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 15 Sep 2012 22:10

RamaY - you're right. In the US, which touts freedom of speech so strongly - it will be interesting to see how far the authorities go to punish the film-maker. The film maker was arrested a few hours ago. In the UK, I have seen reports of people being punished for insulting Islam. Effectively, in most non-muslim countries - Islam cannot be criticized very much any longer.

Some of you may want to check out Rehman Malik's tweets in this regard...

Rehman Malik wants Interpol to act against anti-Islam propaganda

and here's an interesting map of world wide protests that have happened...
Map of world wide violent protests against anti-Islam Film

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 15 Sep 2012 23:40

saudi barbaria never gets hurt in these protests.
No news regarding it.
It is the main financial sponsorer of jihadis worldwide. radicalistion is due to its financial muscle.
money is one of the main ingredients along with indoctrination and intimidation.

It will be fitting to light the bulb inside saudi barbaria. it will have its own dynamics which I believe will possibly be good for the world.

Ultimately hope saudi barbaria gets split into 3-4 nations.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Sep 2012 03:03

Ackerman strategy has to be invoked to make the various govt protect the embassies.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 16 Sep 2012 23:41

A little Nauseating - little children promoting Jihad and beheadings...

Australia: Girl 8, calls on islamic youth to back Jihad

AS Julia Gillard struggled to explain how Muslim children could be used to incite violence, eight-year-old Ruqaya yesterday fronted a congress of Islamic fundamendalists in Sydney to espouse her love for jihad. Addressing a 600-strong crowd at the Australian chapter of Hizb ut-Tahrir in Bankstown in the city's west, the young girl urged all Muslim youth to fight for the restoration of the Islamic caliphate, a single global government for all Muslims established under strict sharia law.

"My dear brothers and sisters in Islam, as the world gathers against the believers in Syria ... seeking to hijack our sincere and blessed uprisings, children in Sydney would like to send their message of hope and support to the Muslims of (Syria), especially to the children and mothers," she read from notes. "These uprisings have demonstrated that this umma (global Muslim community) is alive and well, her love is for jihad, she is unshackled herself from the fear which she held, and she yearns to once again live under the banner of (the Islamic state).

"Children as young as myself can be seen on the streets joining the uprisings, risking their lives to bring food, water and medicine to their wounded family members, some of them never returning to their mothers ... Nobody is too young," she said.

Ruqaya was the seventh of nine speakers at the "Muslims Rise" conference.

Organisers of the event invited the media to report on her address.

and also in the protests in Sydney, we had little kids promoting beheadings...

Julia Gillard yesterday expressed her horror at images showing Muslim children carrying inflammatory placards at a protest in Sydney on Saturday, including one that read "Behead all those who insult the Prophet".

Another sign at the protest read "Our dead are in paradise, your dead are in hell".

"I do not want to see in the hands of anyone, particularly children, offensive signs that call for the killing of others," the Prime Minister said.

"This is not the Australian way.

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brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 17 Sep 2012 01:17

Some of us met at an internal scenarios session with forces from the darkside. Some of the angles discussed, include the linking up of Arab peninsular website sourced material from the last 5 years, the tied in matching propaganda about Dajjal to the propaganda from US apocalypsists, and the target focus date of winter 2012. I see some good future indications for desh. But needs regime change. Short term - increasing power to desi mullahcracy.

What desh regime is not realizing, is the impact the mullahcracy is having on the uniforms. Already the main spokes-voices of the regime have soft-toned their sikular harangues. Privately, I have been even hearing a lot of frustration from some of them. But it could be a testing out hence cannot be so sure of their real thoughts. After this president goes, no serious old guard remains to protect the dynastic project. there are also indications that the foreign interests are losing their hopes in the dy to deliver into the future. The search is on for alternatives to hedge on.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Sep 2012 02:37

US Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens raped before he was murdered

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/us-ambas ... z26faNUdUx

According to Libyan sources and other foreign journalists, US Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens was raped prior to his murder at the hands of Muslim militants who had already gotten inside the US Embassy in Benghazi, Libya prior to the outbreak of violence. The question begs for an answer, who let them in, thus compromising US compound security, and why did our embassy security contingent allow the embassy grounds to be breached?Just minutes before the fatal attack it has been reported that the US Embassy issued an apology to Muslims for any actions by the US that have resulted in offending Muslim faith and the Islamic religion. This in response to violent protests that supposedly occurred due to some obscure movie that had been made that supposedly made fun of Islamist religion. If this is the consistent reaction of Muslims to their perceived insults by westerners or those of other nations with the relentless attacks that have been suffered by Christians though out the world, we can see a definitive difference in the way militant extremists handle adversity using very brutal means. One can hardly call them tolerant, civilized, or trustworthy in the affairs of US national security.As the militants who had raped, brutalized, and murdered Ambassador Stevens paraded his half naked body jubilantly through the streets of Benghazi, Libya the US media was putting out a story that a photo depicting J. Christopher’s battered half nude body being carried by one of the militants was somehow being rushed to the nearest hospital? Give me a break! Already the American mainstream media was looking for a way to cover for President Obama’s blatant ineptitude and failed foreign policy by making a sickening excuse for a brutal image that gave us a candid insight into the savagery of the Muslim intolerance for any ideology but their own. If a picture were worth a thousand words, than the photo of the ill fated US Ambassador’s brutalized remains being dragged through the streets of Libya should have been a crude wake up call for not only the bumbling Obama State Department, but for the American people, who are still unaware of just how bad the President and Secretary of state have botched foreign relations and left us knowingly at the mercy of our enemies.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 Sep 2012 05:40

What we are watching and experiencing currently is the fifth column that has infiltrated western societies and is beginning to make its presence felt by making audacious well coordinated demands followed by local level violent demonstrations. This was all preplanned and timed with the September 11 remembrance day. Just like the advent of the nazis and other fascists on the political scene in 1930's Europe, the west is consumed in its own ignorance, its misguided political correctness and collective historical guilt. It may be the start of what has been called the clash of civilizations. JMTC.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 Sep 2012 05:42

Jhujar wrote:US Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens raped before he was murdered

If this is true, it makes me very angry. I hope our policy-makers and opinion-makers wake up and smell the coffee.

wig · Post by **wig** » 17 Sep 2012 16:19

a well researched article on how the jews were treated in the lands of middle east and north africa, these people had belonged to these areas orignally but the advent of islam changed their status to dhimmis
http://www.azure.org.il/article.php?id=581

the article is lengthy but worth reading.

excerpt

The Muslims’ conduct toward the Jews was determined to a great extent by the guiding principles of their faith. Believers were required to humiliate non-Muslims living under their rule, as befits those who reject the divine truth

something similar to the treatment meted out to our anncestors

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 17 Sep 2012 18:01

Muslim Youths In Nigeria Crucify A Cat On The Cross To Protest Anti-Islam Film
16 hours 34 minutes ago

http://news2.onlinenigeria.com/news/top ... -film.html