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kshatriya wrote:http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/frenc ... herstories

French weekly to publish caricatures of Prophet Mohammed
French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo confirmed on Tuesday that its latest edition contains several cartoons which feature caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed.
http://www.businessinsider.com/charlie- ... ons-2012-9

Charlie Hebdo, a long-running French satirical magazine, angered hardline Islamic groups last year with a magazine guest-edited by "Mohammad", the Islamic prophet.

For their efforts, the magazine eventually found that their offices firebombed.

Now, according to Le Monde, the editors of Charlie Hebdo are preparing to cause controversy again with a issue released tomorrow. The cover shows a Muslim man in a wheelchair pushed by an Orthodox Jew with foil cap and under the title "Untouchables 2", an imaginary sequel to a recent French film. The pair are saying (rough translation) "You must not mock us!" According to Le Monde, there are more shocking cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad inside the magazine "in daring positions".
Anindya wrote:The actual cartoons....

Cartoons with Translations
Spanish satirical magazine El Jueves follows the lead of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo and publishes cartoons of the founder of Mohammaddenism.

The cartoons along with the accompanying caption and text translated from Spanish to English can be viewed here:

SPAIN publishes its own version of the Mohammed cartoons
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abhishek_sharma wrote:THE MYTHS OF MUSLIM RAGE
The first myth is that the confrontation over The Satanic Verses was primarily a religious conflict. It wasn’t. It was first and foremost a political tussle. The novel became a weapon in the struggle by Islamists with each other, with secularists and with the West.
The second myth is that most Muslims were offended by the novel.
The biggest myth of the Rushdie affair is the belief that best way to prevent such confrontations is by restricting what people are able to say to or about each other.
While the hardline Islamists have managed to bring out thousands of people on to the streets in violent protest, there is little to suggest that the majority of Muslims, even in Egypt, Libya or Pakistan support them. :eek: Indeed, hardliners are only forced into organizing such demonstrations because of their lack of popular support. Those who do not support the Islamists do not take to the streets, so are generally ignored in the West. The reactionaries come to be seen as the true voice of Muslim communities. At the same time the perception that the violent mobs are representative of Muslim feeling has lent support to calls for offensive works such as The Innocence of Muslims to be made illegal and, in this case, for the film maker to be arrested.
seems to make some right nosies later loses track of them.
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some kamments for the above post
Dionysius Bureus
September 26, 2012 at 11:20

Are you aware that Rushdie won Iran’s greatest literary award before The Satanic Verses?
Kenan Malik (author)
September 26, 2012 at 14:01

Indeed, for Shame. The Satanic Verses was widely available in Iran before the fatwa, and reviewed in leading papers and journals.
Ian
September 28, 2012 at 19:20

This piece makes one crucial error that completely mitigates any point you are trying to make. There is inherently no distinction between the religious and the political, every religious confrontation is at its heart a political confrontation. By suggesting that these confrontations are political rather than religious he completely misunderstands the nature of religion and therefore undermines the expertise he purports to have.
Kenan Malik (author)
September 29, 2012 at 00:42

So how do you explain the fact that some Muslims are fascists, some conservatives, some liberals, some communists? That some support women’s rights and others oppose it? That some believe in democracy and others in theocracy? That some believe in the separation of faith and state and others reject that? And that the same is true of Christians, Jews, Hindus and every other group of believers? It is one thing to say that certain religious beliefs have political consequences. It is quite another to assert that there is no distinction between the religious and the political.
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September 29, 2012 at 12:43

It can be explained by dividing Muslims (Or any other faith) in following categories

1. Namesake Muslims (Who are born Muslims but are part of Global Society)
2. Dormant Muslims (Identifies themselves as Muslims nothing more)
3. Passive Muslims (Believers. This is widest range starting from believe only in Allah to Believe in Allah, Rasul, Sunnah, Quran & Hadiths but take liberty as and when required)
4. Active Muslims (Mullahs, Evangelists, Jihadis)

Same can be said about any faith. It’s which group has more command over the community will determine the outlook of the community.

In Islam type 1 and 2 are likely to be called Qafirs and their suggestions to be Ignored while type 4 have python grip over the community.
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Egyptians will one day leave the Paki's behind I tell you!
Excerpts from an Egyptian hidden camera television series, similar to ‘Candid Camera’, were translated and distributed this week by MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute). The clips display blatant sexism and Anti-Semitism by the Egyptian actors involved.


In one of the episodes, Ayman Kandeel, an Egyptian actor, attacks the shows’ producer and host after being told the interview was going to be aired on Israeli TV. Kandeel slaps the host, causing her to fall to the floor.
http://www.shalomlife.com/culture/17621 ... -tv-video/
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Protesters torch Buddhist temples, homes in Bangladesh

Seems it doesn't take much for any two-bit fool to provoke an orgy of mass violence in Muslim lands, more so in the Islamic parts of the subcontinent.
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1. Namesake Muslims (Who are born Muslims but are part of Global Society)
2. Dormant Muslims (Identifies themselves as Muslims nothing more)
3. Passive Muslims (Believers. This is widest range starting from believe only in Allah to Believe in Allah, Rasul, Sunnah, Quran & Hadiths but take liberty as and when required)

The question is whether one wants to take a chance in allowing even the first 3 groups to grow and dominate, whether politically, economically, socially, ideologically. The answer for the majority of people(non-Moslems) would almost certainly be a strong "no". The risk of totalitarianism, Islamo-fascism, dictatorship, simply extreme rigidity in most matters of life, is just far too high. In any case, there's always the danger of the 4th group, the actual unapologetic Islamists, obtaining power, with the passive or active support of these other sections.
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"Quote:
The second myth is that most Muslims were offended by the novel."

Is there a single Moslem majority country where Salman Rushdie, or even someone like him, can walk around freely? Even in India, it is doubtful. People like Ron Banerjee of Canadian Hindu Advocacy, as well as the makers of the movie "Innocence of Moslems" would be dead, or under sentence of death,( probably the former) in any Moslem majority place. This is something almost no commentators in various fora, are recognising. We can value our freedoms in countries like Canada and the US( and to a large extent in India).
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Arjun wrote:Protesters torch Buddhist temples, homes in Bangladesh

Seems it doesn't take much for any two-bit fool to provoke an orgy of mass violence in Muslim lands, more so in the Islamic parts of the subcontinent.
According to http://vinienco.com/2012/09/30/buddhist ... angladesh/
this was based on an insult posted on Facebook :x
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Kamal_raj wrote:Egyptians will one day leave the Paki's behind I tell you!
Excerpts from an Egyptian hidden camera television series, similar to ‘Candid Camera’, were translated and distributed this week by MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute). The clips display blatant sexism and Anti-Semitism by the Egyptian actors involved.


In one of the episodes, Ayman Kandeel, an Egyptian actor, attacks the shows’ producer and host after being told the interview was going to be aired on Israeli TV. Kandeel slaps the host, causing her to fall to the floor.
http://www.shalomlife.com/culture/17621 ... -tv-video/
Egyptians have a long history of theologically inspired violence, and the very Judaic roots about such techniques might have taken a leaf out of the pharaohs like Akehnaten - who is suspected to have unleashed religious terror against "polytheists" before succumbing to reaction. In that sense they were the grand daddies of current islamists.
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Is this the end of al-Shabab?

Peter Greste

In an interview with Al Jazeera, al-Shabab's military commander Abu Omar was blunt.

"(Our war) is not based on territory lost or gained," he said. "This is ideological warfare. We're fighting for an ideology that transcends geographical or territorial boundaries. We will continue to fight this war until we establish the laws of Allah on Earth."


To the African Union troops who have just succeeded in pushing al-Shabab out of their last remaining stronghold in southern Somalia, that sounds like hubris.

The AU forces – predominantly Kenyans – along with their Somali allies have been advancing on Kismayo since late 2011, slowly squeezing al-Shabab out of the region they've dominated for five years.

Ultra-conservative fighters who once looked more than capable of driving the Somali government into the sea, now controls little more than a handful of isolated towns across southern and central regions of the country.

'Jihad of choice'

In a moment of pride, Kenya's Prime Minister boasted of the "extraordinary achievement of our military men and women" responsible for capturing Kismayo.

There is no denying that it is a significant breakthrough, but in truth, it is more the result of a series of disconnected factors that include the Arab Spring, evolving domestic politics and even the weather.

Al-Shabab's demise began with the revolutions that spread across North Africa early last year.

For years, al-Shabab's struggle in Somalia had been the 'jihad of choice' for militant fighters looking for a cause outside of Afghanistan or Iraq.

Hundreds of ideologically-driven men crossed into Somalia to help topple the western-backed government led by the then-president Sheikh Sharif Ahmed.

It seemed they were joining the winning side. Al Shabab had managed to occupy most of southern and central Somalia, squeezing the government and their African Union defenders into a wedge of territory about a third the size of Mogadishu, and with their backs to the sea.

But when the Arab Spring erupted, the foreign fighters had other more urgent causes to attend to. The uprisings diverted men, money and ammunition. Al-Shabab lost some of their most committed ideologues and fiercest troops.

About the same time, the Ugandan and Burundian forces that made up the vast bulk of the AU mission started to learn how to fight an urban war.

Both came to Somalia with plenty of experience in dealing with insurgencies in the bush, but very little understanding of how to manage one in a big city, crammed with families and businesses and homeless people all struggling to survive. By early last year, and with growing financial support and training from the United Nations, they seemed to work it out, successfully driving al-Shabab from most of Modadishu.

Then the weather played its part.

Last year's drought hit the rural areas of Bay and Bakool particularly hard. Both formed a large part of al-Shabab's heartland, and tens of thousands of people flooded east towards Mogadishu or west into Kenya looking for food. Al-Shabab made things worse by declaring aid agencies to be agents of the occupying forces and refused to let them in.

Hundreds of villages hollowed out.

Farmers abandoned their fields, and men who might otherwise have fought for the rebels went to help their families instead.

More crucially, al-Shabab lost much of the support and goodwill they had built up over the years.

New legitimacy

Finally, after no less than 14 failed attempts to produce a legitimate government, the UN managed to usher in an administration with at least a semblance of legitimacy and popular support. It radically changed the political landscape and undercut the reason al-Shabab came to be in the first place (instead of an effective government, clan-based warlords had been tearing the country apart while the rebels managed to produce pockets of stability.)

So, while the Kenyans can rightly claim some responsibility for capturing the rebels' last remaining stronghold, they are also the beneficiaries of historical circumstance.

It also does not mean the war is over.

Ever since the AU advanced out of Mogadishu, al-Shabab has preferred to give up towns rather than stand their ground in the face of overwhelming fire-power. They've consistently described their moves as 'tactical retreats' and promised to wage an 'asymmetrical war' by starting a classic guerrilla conflict.

There's evidence to suggest that they've been planning this for some time. In the town of Marka about 70km south of Mogadishu, AU troops showed us a small but potent weapons cache that locals had revealed. Apart from a collection of AK-47 assault rifles and several boxes of ammunition, the soldiers found a set of four ZU-23 anti-aircraft guns. They had been dismantled, but they were well oiled and in perfect working condition. Whoever hid them clearly planned to return and use them.

The military analysts are right to suggest that it will be incredibly tough for al-Shabab to fight on without a safe and secure base to operate from. And it is hard to see how they could ever regain the power, the influence and the territory they once held.

But after al-Shabab sent three suicide bombers to try to kill Somalia's new president Hassan Sheikh within days of his election, he admitted that the fighters are likely to remain a dangerous force for months and perhaps years to come.

http://blogs.aljazeera.com/blog/africa/end-al-shabab
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Parts of the article:
Brought up a Southern Baptist, Omar went to Bible camp as a boy and sang “Away in a Manger” on Christmas Eve. As a teenager, his passions veered between Shakespeare and Kurt Cobain, soccer and Nintendo. In the thick of his adolescence, he was fearless, raucously funny, rebellious, contrarian. “It felt cool just to be with him,” his best friend at the time, Trey Gunter, said recently. “You knew he was going to be a leader.”

A decade later, Hammami has fulfilled that promise in the most unimaginable way. Some 8,500 miles from Alabama, on the eastern edge of Africa, he has become a key figure in one of the world’s most ruthless Islamist insurgencies. That guerrilla army, known as the Shabab, is fighting to overthrow the fragile American-backed Somali government.

Hammami’s journey from a Bible Belt town in America to terrorist training camps in Somalia was pieced together from interviews with his parents, sister, best friends and law-enforcement officials, as well as hours of home videos and passages from his e-mail messages, journal entries and hundreds of his postings on an Internet forum. If anything has remained a constant in Hammami’s life, it is his striving for another place and purpose, which flickered in a poem he wrote when he was 12:

“My reality is a bore. I wish, I want, I need the wall to fall and the monster to let me pass, the leash to snap, the chains to break. . . .

“I’ve got a taste of glory, the ticket, but where is my train?”

Sometimes months would pass with no word from Hammami. When he reached out through Facebook in early September, he told Dena that he hoped his infamy would prompt people to ask, “How did this guy become that?”

“They can’t blame it on poverty or any of that stuff,” he continued. “They will have to realize that it’s an ideology and it’s a way of life that makes people change. They will also have to realize that their political agendas need to be fixed.”


That same month, Hammami seemed more taken by his cause than ever. “I have become a Somali you could say,” he wrote in the December e-mail message. “I hear bullets, I dodge mortars, I hear nasheeds” — Islamic songs — “and play soccer. Sometimes I live in the bush with camels, sometimes I live the five-star life. Sometimes I walk for miles in the terrible heat with no water, sometimes I ride in extremely slick cars. Sometimes I’m chased by the enemy, sometimes I chase him!”

“I have hatred, I have love,” he went on. “It’s the best life on earth!”


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/31/magaz ... d=all&_r=0
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Mohammadden terrorists target Christian children in Kenya:

Grenade Attack On Nairobi Sunday School Kills-Child Seriously Wounds Three Others
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Mohammadden terrorist violence in Buddhist majority Thailand:

Suspected Muslim insurgents shoot grenades at fair in southern Thailand, 30 hurt
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http://world.time.com/2012/10/01/why-in ... ddle-east/

Why India’s ‘Muslim Rage’ Is Different from the Middle East’s
How India's vast diversity blunted the edge of Salafi protests last week
By Krista Mahr

There are between 20 million and 30 million Salafis in India, according to Markazi Jamiat Ahle Hadees Hind, an India-wide Salafi organization. And while they may have taken center stage in the violence elsewhere, Salafis played a less pronounced role in India’s protests, with some leaders outright condemning the action. Near Jamia Millia Islamia University, in a quiet, grassy compound dominated by a large new mosque, Markazi Jamiat Ahle Hadees Hind holds a very different view on how to react to disparaging depictions of their Prophet. “When the Koran is burned, or this kind of film is made, we don’t like it, but we don’t support what [the protesters] are doing,” says Maulana Asghar Ali, the general secretary of the organization. “We are strict followers of the Prophet’s teaching. All the things the protesters are doing — taking to the streets, destroying things — the Prophet has not taught us.”Ali says his group has come under criticism from other Muslim groups in India for not joining in. The sizable Salafi community in the southern state of Kerala also eschewed the protests, instead calling meetings at which followers could air their frustration over the infamous film. “If we are able to be good Muslims, the propaganda will not succeed,” says Hussain Madavoor, general secretary of the Indian Islahi Movement, a Salafi group in Kerala. “More efforts should be exerted among intellectuals and media [to disseminate] the true picture of Islam so that these willful attacks would be staved off.”

So can India consider itself immune to the worrying trend of Salafis growing more assertive — and dangerous — in other parts of the world? Obviously not. India is as vulnerable to the perils of extremism as any nation, and large-scale violence gets sparked in the country faster and fiercer than in most parts of the world. But India is also vast, both physically and psychologically, and the inherent diversity even in one religious minority may be helping prevent the same kind of tinderbox we’ve seen elsewhere from forming.

Whether that can last, particularly in charged places like Kashmir, is unclear. “We’re not anti-U.S., but it is so painful for us that people [in the U.S.] make fun of our Prophet,” says Maulana Gulam Nabi Shah, a senior Salafi leader in Kashmir. Maulana Shah says his organization called on followers to protest peacefully this month, but their strike quickly devolved into thousands of people throwing stones, burning U.S. flags and shouting anti-U.S. slogans. Police eventually dispersed the crowds with tear gas. “When it comes to our beloved Prophet we all are together. We’ll sacrifice our lives even to protect the honor and holiness of Prophet Muhammad’s shoe
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Tarekh Fatah is a wonderful writer. Here, he is commenting on the Omar Khadr case in Canada.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/10/02/kh ... rmed-jihad

Omar Khadr is on record calling a black female soldier guarding his cellblock a “slave” and a “whore.” Yet today, feminists and human rights groups are rallying around him as if he was the reincarnation of Dr. King himself.

Consider how we would have reacted, if, during the Korean War, a fellow Canadian who not only worked for the North, but, disguised in civilian attire, blew up an unarmed medic sent to aid him.

Suffice to say, irrespective of our political leanings, our reactions would have been outrage and disgust.

But Canada has come a long way since the days when clarity was common; when discerning between good and evil was not that difficult; when traitors proud of their hatred for our western civilization would be shunned, not treated as celebrities.

Had Khadr repented his past and denounced the doctrine of armed jihad of his father, I would have championed his early release. I did it in 2007, but discovered to my shock Khadr’s refusal to renounce armed jihad.

Today, Canada’s chattering classes are treating Khadr, an anti-black racist, a self-confessed murderer, and an unrepentant terrorist, as a celebrity.

In the newsrooms of liberal newspapers, you can sense the glee.

After all, it was they who carefully crafted an image of Khadr as a puppy-faced, innocent teen caught up in the mess of war.

The incessant drumbeat of “child soldier” to describe a willing terrorist, is a lie that cannot withstand scrutiny.

However, in the circus of multiculturalism, we have paid for the sight of an exotic spectacle, not the facts.

These days, who cares if the clown entertaining us is a murderer in disguise?

Khadr was nearly 16 when he was captured in Afghanistan after a shootout, where, he confesses, he killed an unarmed medic sent to save him.

According to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, Article 38, (1989), “State parties shall take all feasible measures to ensure that persons who have not attained the age of 15 years do not take a direct part in hostilities.” In addition, article 8(2)(b)(xxvi) of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC) says, “Conscripting or enlisting children under the age of 15 years into the national armed forces or using them to participate actively in hostilities” is a war crime.

So Khadr did not fit the definition of a child soldier when he committed his crime.

And today, he is an adult, who, if he so desires, can even now denounce al-Qaida, the Taliban and the jihadi ideology. But he chooses not to do so.

Canadians sympathetic to Khadr should realize the doctrine of Islamic jihad against the infidel has no problem with teenage soldiers doing battle, or even leading armies. (Many suicide bombers are teenagers.) After all, it was a teenage general, Bin Qasim, who invaded India in the year 711 and is today the hero of most Muslims in India and Pakistan.

Prophet Muhammad himself appointed a teenager, Osama Bin Zayd, to head an army against the Byzantines in Syria.

After the Prophet’s death, Arabs refused to follow Osama, not because he was a teenager, but because he was a black African and a former slave.

Now we know the tradition from which Khadr belched out his racist slurs. It’s the jihadi tradition.
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I hope Fatah has state protection...
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/03 ... -koran-in/
Two Coptic Christian children arrested for allegedly urinating on Koran in Egypt
Two Coptic Christian children reportedly remain in custody in Egypt after a sheik told authorities they defaced a copy of the Koran.Daily News Egypt reports that the children — identified as 10-year-old Mina Nady Farag and 9-year-old Nabil Nady Rizk — were accused by Ibrahim Mohamed, a Salafi sheikh, on Sunday of ripping two pages from the Islamic holy book and urinating on them.The children have denied the incident and said they found the pages on a street. One of the children is illiterate, according to Ishak Ibrahim, a researcher for the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights.Mohamed reported the incident to a local priest and was dissatisfied with that man’s response, prompting him to then report it to authorities.“There was a friendly meeting held on Monday at one of the Muslim residents’ house, sponsored by the security forces, in which Muslims and Christians met and affirmed respect for each other,” Ibrahim told Daily News Egypt.The children were arrested despite that meeting and remain at a local juvenile detention facility. They have been charged with contempt of religion, according to Adel Ramadan of the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights.“The children will likely get lighter sentences because they are under 15 years old, but will be subject to the same law that adults are charged under,” said Ramadan, who noted the rapid increase in contempt of religion cases of late.
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Muslim Riots Reach Europe: Part II
by Soeren Kern
October 3, 2012 at 5:00 am

Abu Assad al-Almani asks Muslims in Germany to attack any German citizen who supports the film by "cutting their heads from their bodies and capturing it on film so that it is accessible to the public, so that the whole of Germany, and even the whole of Europe, knows that their criminal games will be thwarted by the sword of Islam."

Muslim protests over an American-made anti-Islamic YouTube film, Innocence of Muslims, have spread to more European cities. Muslim rioters had initially clashed with police in Belgium, Britain and France, but since then, protests have spread to Austria, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Norway, Serbia and Switzerland.

In Germany, while thousands of Muslims took to the streets in various cities, the biggest demonstration took place in the Dortmund, where 1,500 Muslims holding Turkish flags marched through the city center on September 22. In Hanover, protests involved about 1,000 Muslims on September 23. In Baden-Württemberg, North Rhine-Westphalia and Lower Saxony police reported protests involving 1,600 people. Protests were also reported in Bergisch Gladbach, Cuxhaven, Münster, Freiburg and Karlsruhe.


A radical Islamist, Abu Assad al-Almani, has called for bombings and assassinations in Germany after it emerged that the actor who plays Mohammed in the anti-Islam movie was allegedly German. In an 8-page document, entitled "Settling Scores with Germany," and posted on the Internet on September 25, Abu Assad states: "In addition to the ugly cartoons, now the Americans have produced a film in which those pigs poke fun at our dear prophet and insult him."

Abu Assad continues: "The one who played our noble Messenger was a German;" he then calls for revenge attacks. He asks Muslims in Germany to attack any German citizen who supports the film by "cutting their heads from their bodies and capturing it on film so that it is accessible to the public, so that the whole of Germany, and even the whole of Europe, knows that their criminal games will be thwarted by the sword of Islam."

The Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) says the document has been produced by a group called the Global Islamic Media Front (GIMF), the European propaganda arm which supports Al Qaeda and other radical Islamic organizations. The BKA says it is taking the threat "very seriously."

In Berlin, Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich has postponed at the last minute a poster campaign aimed at countering radical Islam for fear it might have incited violence by extremists. The posters had been due to go up as of September 21in German cities with large immigrant populations. The posters were aimed at those who suspected that a friend or family member might be drifting towards radical Islam.

In another sign that German officialdom is coming unhinged by political correctness, the ruling Christian Democrats (CDU) lashed out at Baden-Württemberg's Integration Minister, Bilkay Öney, for stating what many Germans believe is obvious, namely that "Islam tolerates no criticism." She also said it was easier to dialogue with Muslims in Germany because they are relatively well educated. "In other parts of the world," she said, "some take to the streets and set fire to embassies."

CDU regional director Thomas Strobl rebuked Öney, a Turkish-born German politician, saying: "What Mrs. Öney says is surprising and shocking. Such remarks are unacceptable, as they emphasize what divides us, instead of linking and integrating." Strobl wondered how Öney, who is a Muslim, could hold such politically incorrect views about Islam.

Elsewhere in Germany, more signs emerged that the threat of Muslim violence is endangering free speech in Germany. Development Minister Dirk Niebel (FDP) called for a ban on broadcasting the anti-Islam video in Germany. "Such a film should not be shown. We should not be adding fuel to the fire," he told the newspaper, Bild. "The person who demands limitless freedom of expression has no idea what conflicts can be provoked by it," Niebel said. His comments follow similar statements by German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle and Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich.

In Greece, the center of Athens (recently dubbed the "New Kabul") turned into a war zone (videos here) on September 23, when more than 1,000 Muslims -- mostly immigrants from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh -- hurled bottles and other objects at police, who were trying to prevent the rioters from descending on the American Embassy.

Protesting Muslims, chanting "All we have is Mohammed," gathered in Omonia Square holding banners reading, "We demand an immediate punishment for those who tried to mock our Prophet Mohammad." Shouting "Allah is Greater," they then assaulted police with stones, bottles and slabs of marble they broke from the sidewalks.

When Greek riot police used tear gas to control the protesters and protect the security zone they had established around the embassy, infuriated Muslims responded by vandalizing streets and buildings in downtown Athens, as well as by setting fires to trash bins, smashing shops and display windows and vandalizing automobiles. Around 30 Muslims were arrested.

Also in Athens, Muslim inmates at the Korydallos prison (Greece's main prison, in which an estimated 70% of the inmates are Muslim) went on a rampage and protested the anti-Islam video by burning mattresses, sheets and clothing. Security officials at the prison brought the situation under control after using teargas to force the rioting inmates to return to their cells.

In Austria, some 700 Muslims descended on the American Embassy in the Alsergrund district in downtown Vienna on September 22. They carried banners and shouted slogans of protest against the film, and called for the establishment of an Islamic Caliphate. The protests were well organized: some Muslims wearing orange vests were waiting at the nearby metro station to guide protestors toward the embassy. According to the Austrian newspaper Tageszeitung Österreich, one young woman wearing a headscarf said, "The film has triggered such a rage in me, I had tears in my eyes." Other protesters wondered how it was possible that the film portrayed "our beloved prophet as a child molester and misogynist."

In Norway, in front of the American Embassy in Oslo on September 21, more than 150 radical Islamists gathered, shouting, "This world needs another Osama." Separately, hundreds more Muslims gathered at Youngstorget Square in central Oslo to protest the anti-Islam film. Oslo's imams were joined in the protest by the city's Conservative Mayor Fabian Stang, as well as Lutheran Bishop Ole Christian Kvarme, who said in a speech: "With this peaceful protest we want to maintain and strengthen our unity. As believers we understand each other."

In Italy, the Interior Ministry announced on September 25 that it had expelled two Libyan jihadists who were urging attacks against Western targets in revenge for the film denigrating Mohammed. Police said the Libyans, aged 26 and 28, had been in a hotel in Rome for several months, receiving medical care after being injured during the Libyan conflict. Police said they were expelled after they "began activities of proselytizing and propaganda to jihad within the Libyan community."

In Serbia, several thousand fans from a local football club in the country's Muslim-majority Sandzak region protested against the film on September 21. Defying a ban on political slogans at the march, supporters of Torcida Sandzak football club waved banners reading, "The Prophet is in my heart" and "Freedom for Palestine, Afghanistan and Libya." There was a heavy police presence at the march, where protesters also waved the flags of Turkey and Bosnia.

In Spain, the Islamic Commission, a Muslim umbrella group, has sent a letter to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon demanding the enactment of an international law that would outlaw blasphemy "so that no attack against religious sentiment will go unpunished."

Soeren Kern is a Senior Fellow at the New York-based Gatestone Institute. He is also Senior Fellow for European Politics at the Madrid-based Grupo de Estudios Estratégicos / Strategic Studies Group. Follow him on Facebook.

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"I hope Fatah has state protection"

It is virtually certain he could not enter Pakistan, Saudi, Iran and many other Islamic countries, if they knew of his articles. A few moths ago, he wrote about oppression of people under the Mughals. Now he is admitting that Moslems glorify violent conquest, including by child soldiers. And that Islam has always had a very strong racist undercurrent.

Even in Canada, he would have to tread a little softly, though he doesn't appear to be in any immediate danger
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh34Xsq7 ... re=related

Intelligence Squared debate... Long one. Motion is loose: Islam is a Religion of Peace.

Speaking for - A US-born Indian Muslim chick; cute, light-weight and Majed Nawaz, maybe a Pak not sure - reformed jihadi

Speaking against - Ayaan Hirsi (no need for intro I think :D) and some Brit dude who absolutely cuts loose in his opening statement you got to listen to him. What he does is exactly what right thinking people in the world need to do at every given opportunity.
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Indian women panelist speaking for Islam "wants to return to genuine islam". She is a purist at heart.
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^^^ wasn't she supposed to come in Burkha and accompanied by her brother or husband or bf then, to prove her point and to show her true itch? may be she wants everything except burkha, polygamy, suppression of woman's rights. But hen it is not pure anymore, just another shade of green. Didn't see the video yet, but may be she is trying to portray a picture of progressive nature of islam and lift up islam's H&D.
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>>she is trying to portray a picture of progressive nature of islam and lift up islam's H&D.

Pretty much, and so was he. To some extent one sympathises with these unfortunate, reasonably rational, people who are trapped within a faith system that they cannot, strictly speaking, get out of without abandoning much of its cultural/familial accoutrements and possibly the risk of physical violence or death - and so they are stuck within a self-defeating paradigm of defending the indefensible both to themselves and to the world; had they been born into another faith system, at least in the case of the woman, she could easily have found herself in some high-profile NGO position, slipping easily into the liberal drawing room India International Centre set (don't know if it's still that) or Arundhatifying herself in India...
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JE Menon wrote:>>she is trying to portray a picture of progressive nature of islam and lift up islam's H&D.

Pretty much, and so was he. To some extent one sympathises with these unfortunate, reasonably rational, people who are trapped within a faith system that they cannot, strictly speaking, get out of without abandoning much of its cultural/familial accoutrements and possibly the risk of physical violence or death - and so they are stuck within a self-defeating paradigm of defending the indefensible both to themselves and to the world; had they been born into another faith system, at least in the case of the woman, she could easily have found herself in some high-profile NGO position, slipping easily into the liberal drawing room India International Centre set (don't know if it's still that) or Arundhatifying herself in India...
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Pity the rational and progressive muslim: they have to go through all manner of contortions to "prove" that all the good stuff is in quran only. I doubt it makes any difference to the dynamic and aggressive forces in Muslim society. But it does manage to play into the non-muslim's need to avoid confrontation.

We should look for the ones who say, do the right thing and avoid the wrong thing. If the prophet said to do some right thing, well and good. If not, do the right thing anyway.
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^^^

There is no need to pity them. There are crores of Muslims who know that and keep their mouths shut. No one is forcing these 'experts' to open their mouths to explain Islam. If they realise the true nature, then they would let the true voice be heard. They only form a front where other Muslims think that their actions are justified.
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Surasena wrote:
Muslim Riots Reach Europe: Part II
by Soeren Kern
October 3, 2012 at 5:00 am

Abu Assad al-Almani asks Muslims in Germany to attack any German citizen who supports the film by "cutting their heads from their bodies and capturing it on film so that it is accessible to the public, so that the whole of Germany, and even the whole of Europe, knows that their criminal games will be thwarted by the sword of Islam."

Muslim protests over an American-made anti-Islamic YouTube film, Innocence of Muslims, have spread to more European cities. Muslim rioters had initially clashed with police in Belgium, Britain and France, but since then, protests have spread to Austria, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Norway, Serbia and Switzerland.

In Germany, while thousands of Muslims took to the streets in various cities, the biggest demonstration took place in the Dortmund, where 1,500 Muslims holding Turkish flags marched through the city center on September 22. In Hanover, protests involved about 1,000 Muslims on September 23. In Baden-Württemberg, North Rhine-Westphalia and Lower Saxony police reported protests involving 1,600 people. Protests were also reported in Bergisch Gladbach, Cuxhaven, Münster, Freiburg and Karlsruhe.


A radical Islamist, Abu Assad al-Almani, has called for bombings and assassinations in Germany after it emerged that the actor who plays Mohammed in the anti-Islam movie was allegedly German. In an 8-page document, entitled "Settling Scores with Germany," and posted on the Internet on September 25, Abu Assad states: "In addition to the ugly cartoons, now the Americans have produced a film in which those pigs poke fun at our dear prophet and insult him."

Abu Assad continues: "The one who played our noble Messenger was a German;" he then calls for revenge attacks. He asks Muslims in Germany to attack any German citizen who supports the film by "cutting their heads from their bodies and capturing it on film so that it is accessible to the public, so that the whole of Germany, and even the whole of Europe, knows that their criminal games will be thwarted by the sword of Islam."

The Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) says the document has been produced by a group called the Global Islamic Media Front (GIMF), the European propaganda arm which supports Al Qaeda and other radical Islamic organizations. The BKA says it is taking the threat "very seriously."

In Berlin, Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich has postponed at the last minute a poster campaign aimed at countering radical Islam for fear it might have incited violence by extremists. The posters had been due to go up as of September 21in German cities with large immigrant populations. The posters were aimed at those who suspected that a friend or family member might be drifting towards radical Islam.

In another sign that German officialdom is coming unhinged by political correctness, the ruling Christian Democrats (CDU) lashed out at Baden-Württemberg's Integration Minister, Bilkay Öney, for stating what many Germans believe is obvious, namely that "Islam tolerates no criticism." She also said it was easier to dialogue with Muslims in Germany because they are relatively well educated. "In other parts of the world," she said, "some take to the streets and set fire to embassies."

CDU regional director Thomas Strobl rebuked Öney, a Turkish-born German politician, saying: "What Mrs. Öney says is surprising and shocking. Such remarks are unacceptable, as they emphasize what divides us, instead of linking and integrating." Strobl wondered how Öney, who is a Muslim, could hold such politically incorrect views about Islam.

Elsewhere in Germany, more signs emerged that the threat of Muslim violence is endangering free speech in Germany. Development Minister Dirk Niebel (FDP) called for a ban on broadcasting the anti-Islam video in Germany. "Such a film should not be shown. We should not be adding fuel to the fire," he told the newspaper, Bild. "The person who demands limitless freedom of expression has no idea what conflicts can be provoked by it," Niebel said. His comments follow similar statements by German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle and Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich.

In Greece, the center of Athens (recently dubbed the "New Kabul") turned into a war zone (videos here) on September 23, when more than 1,000 Muslims -- mostly immigrants from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh -- hurled bottles and other objects at police, who were trying to prevent the rioters from descending on the American Embassy.

Protesting Muslims, chanting "All we have is Mohammed," gathered in Omonia Square holding banners reading, "We demand an immediate punishment for those who tried to mock our Prophet Mohammad." Shouting "Allah is Greater," they then assaulted police with stones, bottles and slabs of marble they broke from the sidewalks.

When Greek riot police used tear gas to control the protesters and protect the security zone they had established around the embassy, infuriated Muslims responded by vandalizing streets and buildings in downtown Athens, as well as by setting fires to trash bins, smashing shops and display windows and vandalizing automobiles. Around 30 Muslims were arrested.

Also in Athens, Muslim inmates at the Korydallos prison (Greece's main prison, in which an estimated 70% of the inmates are Muslim) went on a rampage and protested the anti-Islam video by burning mattresses, sheets and clothing. Security officials at the prison brought the situation under control after using teargas to force the rioting inmates to return to their cells.

In Austria, some 700 Muslims descended on the American Embassy in the Alsergrund district in downtown Vienna on September 22. They carried banners and shouted slogans of protest against the film, and called for the establishment of an Islamic Caliphate. The protests were well organized: some Muslims wearing orange vests were waiting at the nearby metro station to guide protestors toward the embassy. According to the Austrian newspaper Tageszeitung Österreich, one young woman wearing a headscarf said, "The film has triggered such a rage in me, I had tears in my eyes." Other protesters wondered how it was possible that the film portrayed "our beloved prophet as a child molester and misogynist."

In Norway, in front of the American Embassy in Oslo on September 21, more than 150 radical Islamists gathered, shouting, "This world needs another Osama." Separately, hundreds more Muslims gathered at Youngstorget Square in central Oslo to protest the anti-Islam film. Oslo's imams were joined in the protest by the city's Conservative Mayor Fabian Stang, as well as Lutheran Bishop Ole Christian Kvarme, who said in a speech: "With this peaceful protest we want to maintain and strengthen our unity. As believers we understand each other."

In Italy, the Interior Ministry announced on September 25 that it had expelled two Libyan jihadists who were urging attacks against Western targets in revenge for the film denigrating Mohammed. Police said the Libyans, aged 26 and 28, had been in a hotel in Rome for several months, receiving medical care after being injured during the Libyan conflict. Police said they were expelled after they "began activities of proselytizing and propaganda to jihad within the Libyan community."

In Serbia, several thousand fans from a local football club in the country's Muslim-majority Sandzak region protested against the film on September 21. Defying a ban on political slogans at the march, supporters of Torcida Sandzak football club waved banners reading, "The Prophet is in my heart" and "Freedom for Palestine, Afghanistan and Libya." There was a heavy police presence at the march, where protesters also waved the flags of Turkey and Bosnia.

In Spain, the Islamic Commission, a Muslim umbrella group, has sent a letter to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon demanding the enactment of an international law that would outlaw blasphemy "so that no attack against religious sentiment will go unpunished."

Soeren Kern is a Senior Fellow at the New York-based Gatestone Institute. He is also Senior Fellow for European Politics at the Madrid-based Grupo de Estudios Estratégicos / Strategic Studies Group. Follow him on Facebook.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3379/ ... ots-europe
I am astonished with these happenings in Europe where RoPers make a small minority. Compare it to India where they are 200 million + and even here you wouldn't see these things. Makes me think if India is not so dhimmi after all. These people still fear the Hindu retribution whereas looking at their gall in Germany/Greece they have taken it for granted that the white men will not retaliate. Interesting times ahead for Europe. Contrary to the alarmists in India (who, I may add, have their own valid reasons), all is not lost in desh, YET.
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Islam is a monkey trap for 'progressive' muslims who know in their hearts that they are screwed with Islam, I mean which woman doesn't want to live fearless about the possibility of her husband to maintain a haraam or a husband who thinks it's his duty to beat the crap out of her for her 'misbehaviour' ? all they have to do is eschew and lift up their faces from the stink. But hey, it's okay if you like the stink and want to roil in it, what goes my father?
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Chandragupta wrote: I am astonished with these happenings in Europe where RoPers make a small minority. Compare it to India where they are 200 million + and even here you wouldn't see these things. Makes me think if India is not so dhimmi after all. These people still fear the Hindu retribution whereas looking at their gall in Germany/Greece they have taken it for granted that the white men will not retaliate. Interesting times ahead for Europe. Contrary to the alarmists in India (who, I may add, have their own valid reasons), all is not lost in desh, YET.
You dont see those thing because they will not be reported at all. Thats about it.
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Exactly, most of such behaviour in WB, Northern Kerala and UP is going completly unreported.
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From reddit:
My letting go of Islam.

Salaam,

These past months I have decided to renounce my faith in Islam. Fear not because it is not just Islam but organized religion that I truly have let go.

I am a first generation Pakistani who has grown up in America for all my young life. I am currently graduating university in a month. I come from a highly conservative community. I attended Islamic school every weekend from the age of 7 to 17. I was at one point fascinated by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and the life he led. The stories I perused throughout my time in Islamic school are some of my fondest memories and earliest 'historical' reading. My favorite companion is Abu Bakr (pbuh). I was often punished for asking questions and attempting to rationalize certain things I was taught. I have been to Mecca and Medina twice (Pictures can be supplied if in doubt, upon request), completing Umrah three times total. I cannot deny that when there, there is a sort of spirituality that transcended my emotions at that time but I would love to revisit soon with my current mindset.

For example, Shari'ah depicts inheritance precisely. The fact that a male inherits a portion twice the size of a female disturbs me. When I asked the reasoning behind this, my parents and among others told me men primarily worked in those times. Understandable. But unfortunately, I see a disconnect between those times and modern day society. I was explained to that Islam is a dynamic religion, capable of surpassing chronological limits and be applicable at any point in time. How is this so in this case? I do not see it.

Naturally, I will come under flak from a myriad of individuals-This I expect. The reasons I have renounced organized religion stem from experiences I have had. The idea that a god cares about what you eat, drink, how elaborately you clean yourself, etc. seems odd to me. If he cared this much, why not prevent natural disasters? Where was he during the times of hardships of many people involved in genocides? I am earnest in discussing these questions amongst others.

My other point of contention is Salat. Why must there be a specific way to pray? I always understood praising a god five times a day seems logical if not necessary. But why in a such a specific manner? It seems like, at least to me, the point here is intention rather than robotic ritualism. Unfortunately, none of my contemporaries seem to agree. Both performing four Rakat for Isha and saying Alhamdulillah after dinner seem acceptable to me. Yet the former is the "law" and the latter is not an adequate substitute. Are they not both praising god? The hubris of man, in my opinion, leads many people to believe that the extra 10 minutes you spend reciting two different Surahs and performing Salat is superior to Alhamdulilah. This puzzles me.

It has been about 3 weeks since I have let go of the concept of God. I let go of a specific religion, in this case Islam, 5-6 months ago. I instead believed in Monotheism rather than a specific organized religion. I vainly attempted to cling to the concept of a higher power for my own sake. Everything I have done, the feelings I feel, were for the sake of a god rather than myself. I was good because it was praiseworthy. I gave to charity because it is again required as Zakat (even with my minute income, it helps regardless). I fasted because God said so.

Now? I am slowly reconciling within myself the reasons for doing things. I am gaining confidence in my own being. I do good now because I deem it fit for a society to be good. I give to charity because those in need require assistance regardless of race/religion/background. I fast because it is good for your body to cleanse at least once a year.

Anyway, the point of this post is not to flame or incite hateful rhetoric. Rather, I would much like to discuss the aforementioned questions I posed in an attempt at rationalizing my (former) religion. I look forward to subsequent discussion and making your acquaintances, Muslims of Reddit.

Regards, Fahad

Edit: I am shocked at and saddened by the amount of condescending and demeaning comments. I will reply to each shortly.
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Welcome to the intellectual adventure mein-bruder-in-reason.




My other point of contention is Salat. Why must there be a specific way to pray? I always understood praising a god five times a day seems logical if not necessary. But why in a such a specific manner? It seems like, at least to me, the point here is intention rather than robotic ritualism. Unfortunately, none of my contemporaries seem to agree. Both performing four Rakat for Isha and saying Alhamdulillah after dinner seem acceptable to me. Yet the former is the "law" and the latter is not an adequate substitute. Are they not both praising god? The hubris of man, in my opinion, leads many people to believe that the extra 10 minutes you spend reciting two different Surahs and performing Salat is superior to Alhamdulilah. This puzzles me.


This is not puzzling at all. Ritual and obligations are the finest mind control techniques. I am convinced that there is a neurobiology of these injunctions that is precisely to robotise a man so that free thinking is banished and the 3% or 10% is happily given to other holier men, to expiate sin and avoid the hell fires and to secure the everlasting orgasm. One admires the inventors of Salat, for it leads to total control-one minute you are praying at 5 am, the other you are flying a jumbo into a trade center where 3000 kafirs await their just fate.
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Philippines and Muslim rebels agree peace deal
The Philippine government has reached a framework peace agreement with the country's largest Muslim rebel group, President Benigno Aquino says.

The deal follows long negotiations with the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) to end a 40-year conflict that has cost more than 120,000 lives.

It provides for a new autonomous region in the south, where Muslims are a majority in a mainly Catholic country.

The MILF is "very happy" with the deal, a spokesman was quoted as saying.
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That peace deal will last shorter than the lifespan of a housefly. Naive Filipinos.
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The MILF is "very happy" with the deal, a spokesman was quoted as saying. :mrgreen:
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To this Islamic civilization all Moslems are deeply attached. In this larger sense, Pan-Islamism is universal. Even the most liberal-minded Moslems, however much they may welcome Western ideas, and however strongly they may condemn the fanatical, reactionary aspects of the political Pan-Islamic movement, believe fervently in Islam's essential solidarity. As a leading Indian Moslem liberal, The Aga Khan, remarks: "There is a right and legitimate Pan-Islamism to which every sincere and believing Mohammedan belongs—that is, the theory of the spiritual brotherhood and unity of the children of the Prophet. The real spiritual and cultural unity of Islam must ever grow, for to the follower of the Prophet it is the foundation of the life and the soul."[57]

If such is the attitude of Moslem liberals, thoroughly conversant with Western culture and receptive to Western progress, what must be the feelings of the Moslem masses, ignorant, reactionary, and fanatical? Besides perfectly understandable fear and hatred due to Western aggression, there is, among the Moslem masses, a great deal of genuine fanaticism caused, not by European political domination, but by religious bigotry and blind hatred of Western civilization.

- The New World of Islam by Lothrop Stoddard, 1921.
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Now Indonesians are behaving exactly like the bakis do....

Sampang Shiites Still Live as Refugees as Government Intervention Fails
Efforts by the local government to quell violence against Shiites have hit a standstill in Sampang, leaving nearly 200 Shiite Muslims stranded in a local sports center after a deadly Sunni mob attack sent them fleeing from their homes.

Local Sunnis have refused to allow the Shiites to return to their homes in Karang Gayam village, unless they adopt Sunni Muslim teachings, Sampang Disaster Mitigation Agency (BPBD) head Imam Sanusi told the Antara News Agency.

The beleaguered Shiites declined.

They also protested a government plan to relocate them to a new village, Imam said.

Without a viable solution, 193 Shiites still crowd the Wijaya Kusuma Sports Center, in Sampang, down from the 282 people who originally sought shelter after a mob of 500 Nahdlatul Ulama members killed two community members in a large attack in August.

“The latest data shows that the number of Shia refugees who live in the sport stadium is only 193 people,” Imam said. “Most of the refugees that have left are school age children. Some of them continue their educations outside of Sampang.”

Police arrested five suspects allegedly involved in the attack that the Religious Affairs Ministers has called a “family conflict.”
Is it just me or is it that ex-yindoos make the worst muslims ever? Look at the Bakis, the beedees and now these jokers....Jai ho indeed.
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sanjaykumar wrote:The MILF is "very happy" with the deal, a spokesman was quoted as saying. :mrgreen:
:rotfl:
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Z Nailk on gender discrimination oops segregation
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vishvak wrote:Z Nailk on gender discrimination oops segregation
Not sure why the Indian public gives this a$$hole time of the day. Just lends credence to inbreds like him.
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