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http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?282469
Soul SuicideAlas, the fragrant Sufi core of Sunniism is drying up
NOUMAN' NAQVAGI
he pogrom-like atmosphere gathering apace vis-a-vis its minorities in Pakistan is a far graver threat to society than is commonly realised. Sunnis, the majority community, do not appear to perceive that what is at stake is not an ‘altruistic’ concern for some weak, insignificant others.What is at stake is the character, meaning and quality of life as such, inclusive, above all, of Sunniism and the integrity of its own nature and traditions. It is one of the key teachings of the Abrahamic faiths (and beyond, for example, in the Indic concept of karma) that what is of equal concern in acts of injustice and violence is the impact they have on one’s own soul. This cosmological insight is also at the origin of the philosophical tradition where, in Socrates and Plato, virtue is cultivated in the care of one’s own soul. Both rest on one fundamental: the most basic, enduring pleasure of life—the ground and potential of all other pleasures—is the pleasure of one’s own soul. Simply put, one cannot be a scoundrel to others without becoming a scoundrel to oneself. It cannot be denied that there are pleasures to be experienced in the ego of the scoundrel, but their destitute and transient quality is a common experience. The extreme survivalism of capitalist-nationalist society has worked to suppress this basic truth: it is quite possible to survive, to live a long life (even one endowed with wealth, power, status) and yet never to experience the reality of life. Indeed, without the enlivenment of the soul, even if one survives, one might as well be dead—indeed, our present condition increasingly resembles rotten death, not ripened life.We may survive the destruction of our minorities, but without the soul that makes life worth living, the soul that makes its deepest, highest and ownmost pleasures possible. And without this life of life, we might as well be dead. In fact, for the most part, we evidently already are: with our pleasures increasingly those of the living dead, the infernal pleasures of vampires :shock: ( Jinnha , Jai "Ho"=Hooker in Unkilland).
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Ahmadi Muslims in UK call for urgent action against hate
Karma is Both She Camel and Pregnent She Dog
Members of a Muslim sect persecuted in Pakistan have called for action to prevent groups from peddling hate against them in the YUK.The Ahmadiyya community in the UK says it is being targeted through various media and in mosques and conferences by behaviour that it says amounts to religious hatred but is not caught by the definition of that offence under UK law.The community moved its headquarters to the UK in the 1980s after the Pakistani government passed a law forbidding Ahmadis from calling themselves Muslims and curbing their religious practices.They were also hounded in Pakistan by Islamic groups that have set up UK satellite offices and are doing the same here, according to Naseer Din, president of the London Ahmadiyya community. "They are advocating sectarianism in Pakistan and creating hatred," he said. "These [same] groups are coming here and creating the same hatred … There is indoctrination going on in the Muslim community."One anti-Ahmadi group is Khatme Nubuwwat, whose UK academy is in Forest Gate, east London. Its website variously describes Ahmadis as "traitors", "double faced", "dangerous" and engaged in a "conspiracy against Islam".A leaflet distributed in Wandsworth, south-west London, this year, attributed to a group called Aalmi Majlis Tahaffuze Khatme Nubuwwat, states: "Qadianis [a pejorative term for Ahmadis] are apostate ('Murtad') … He should be given the punishment of a Murtad which is capital punishment." It later makes clear: "Individuals cannot and should not administer this punishment."
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-- Randall Royer, CAIR’s former civil rights coordinator, in 2004 began serving a 20-year prison sentence for aiding al-Qaida and the Taliban against American troops in Afghanistan and recruiting for Lashkar e-Taiba, the jihadist group responsible for the 2008 Mumbai jihad massacres.

AFDI asks WMATA not to cave in to pressure from Hamas-linked Muslim Brotherhood group CAIR

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/10/afdi- ... -cair.html
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What the...

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A Malayali youth Jithu Mohan, who was doused with petrol and set ablaze for being in love with a girl of the Muslim community succumbed to death today. The boy was invited to the girl’s relative’s house on the pretext of peaceful discussions. But he was allegedly bathed in petrol by an Inspector named Wahab, Police Officer of AR Camp and set ablaze. Jithu succumbed to death at Amrita Hospital, Ernakulam. He is the third victim of Jihadi terrorism in Kerala in short span of time, his death following that of Vishal, Chengannur and Sachin, Kannur.

The Vice Captain of Kerala Junior football with bright future, Jithu was in love with Shabana, a Muslim girl hailing from Chunakkara. On getting a whiff of the relationship, the girl’s relatives opposed it and smuggled her to another relative’s house. Following this Jithu filed a habeas corpus in the Kerala High Court, following which the girl was produced before the court. She was, however, allowed to leave the place with her relatives. The attack on Jithu took place soon after the court hearing.

The testimony of Jithu being taken forcibly to the girl’s relative’s house was given by his friends. They said that Jithu made frantic calls for help as he was being attacked. “He was forcibly taken to the house of Shabana’s sister who resides in Kodungallur by her brother in law. Also in league with is an inspector Wahab. The incident of setting Jithu afire took place in Wahab’s house,” said sources.

Hindu organisations have called for a hartal tomorrow in Kodungallur and Mavellikara. They have demanded the arrest of Wahab and the others involved in the crime.
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Counter-terrorism in Indonesia. One article -

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/12/world ... wanted=all
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Varoon Shekhar wrote:What the...

http://indiawires.com/13271/news/state- ... -to-burns/



A Malayali youth Jithu Mohan, who was doused with petrol and set ablaze for being in love with a girl of the Muslim community succumbed to death today. The boy was invited to the girl’s relative’s house on the pretext of peaceful discussions. But he was allegedly bathed in petrol by an Inspector named Wahab, Police Officer of AR Camp and set ablaze. Jithu succumbed to death at Amrita Hospital, Ernakulam. He is the third victim of Jihadi terrorism in Kerala in short span of time, his death following that of Vishal, Chengannur and Sachin, Kannur.

The Vice Captain of Kerala Junior football with bright future, Jithu was in love with Shabana, a Muslim girl hailing from Chunakkara. On getting a whiff of the relationship, the girl’s relatives opposed it and smuggled her to another relative’s house. Following this Jithu filed a habeas corpus in the Kerala High Court, following which the girl was produced before the court. She was, however, allowed to leave the place with her relatives. The attack on Jithu took place soon after the court hearing.

The testimony of Jithu being taken forcibly to the girl’s relative’s house was given by his friends. They said that Jithu made frantic calls for help as he was being attacked. “He was forcibly taken to the house of Shabana’s sister who resides in Kodungallur by her brother in law. Also in league with is an inspector Wahab. The incident of setting Jithu afire took place in Wahab’s house,” said sources.

Hindu organisations have called for a hartal tomorrow in Kodungallur and Mavellikara. They have demanded the arrest of Wahab and the others involved in the crime.
RIP. All those responsible should be given the death penalty.
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Islam's Insanities: All Just a 'Hoax'?

by Raymond Ibrahim
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October 11, 2012

http://www.meforum.org/3357/islam-hoax


You read something immensely disturbing concerning the Muslim world—say, that some Muslims seek to legalize sex-slavery or destroy Egypt's Pyramids or approve of sodomy-suicide-missions or crucify infidels. Your mind—exclaiming "tell me this is a joke!"—finds it difficult to accept such news. Then, somewhere from the bowels of the Internet, relief arrives.

The much welcomed word "Hoax!" appears, reconfirming your worldview. All is well again.


But is it? Are such accounts mere hoaxes? Or is this just another strategy by those who apologize for Islam's insanities—a strategy that relies exclusively on the fact that the Western mindset cannot fathom such news, anyway, and thus is all too willing to accept the hoax charge without a second thought?

Recall the news that Salafi parliamentarians in Egypt were pushing for a law legalizing necrophilia. This information first appeared in Egypt's most circulated newspaper, Al Ahram, followed by Al Arabiya. The news went viral, prompting Western dismay. But then a cutesy Christian Science Monitor article titled "Egypt 'necrophilia law'? Hooey, utter hooey" tried to return us to the status quo. Its author, one Dan Murphy, admonished the many websites that disseminated the necrophilia story: "Don't believe everything you read on the Internet, kids. At least until there's like, you know, some proof."


{In India, Hindu newspaper does the job of pooh-poohing stories of TSP depravity consistently. I think liberal mind goes thru pretzel logic to justify Islam's depravities for the liberals have given legitimacy by declaring them as equals to the modern world religions. Not justifying that would be self incriminating.}

And his "proof" that it was a hoax? Nothing. He even confirmed that "there was a Moroccan cleric a few years back who apparently did issue a religious ruling saying that husbands remained married to their wives in the first six hours after death and, so, well, you know [i.e., he permitted necrophilia]. But that guy is far, far out on the nutty fringe." :eek:

Aside from Murphy's immature tone—"so, well, you know" what?—one fails to see how characterizing a cleric as a "nut" means that his religious ruling is a "hoax"—that it never existed? Likewise, when it comes to fatwas, it matters not which nation they hail from, so that Egyptians can easily uphold the fatwa of a Moroccan, or vice-versa, because in Islam there is no "national" distinction, only the umma.

And yet, no matter how shallow or lacking in evidence, these hoax charges resonate well, simply because the mainstream Western mentality instinctively rejects, in this case, the idea of codifying necrophilia.

Much of this is exacerbated by the fact that most Westerners, including reporters, cannot independently verify such stories, as they usually originate in Middle Eastern languages. Which leads to my familiarity with this matter: I get most of my news directly from the Arabic media—knowing that it is better to get my information directly "from the horse's mouth" than to get it from the limited and filtered Western media.

Accordingly, I am often first to expose stories that go unreported in the West—for instance, the fact that the U.S. embassy in Cairo was being threatened days before the Muhammad movie became a convenient excuse to riot and destroy (the original reason was to coerce the U.S. to free the Blind Sheikh and others).

However, those who prefer to keep such stories suppressed have learned to cry "hoax"—taking advantage of the fact that most Americans cannot read Arabic or verify these accounts for themselves.

Thus, when I documented the indisputable fact that several Islamists were calling for the destruction of Egypt's Pyramids, the New York Times and Huffington Post cried "hoax"; when I shed light on an obscure "sodomy fatwa" which helped explain the role of intention in Islam (or niyya), Muslims and others cried hoax, including by lying and distorting; and when I reported on how Muslim Brotherhood supporters crucified their opponents, the National Post and others cried hoax.

And yet, none of these naysayers offered any meaningful evidence (click above links for my full responses). Instead, they banked on the fact that it is simply too hard to believe these stories in the first place.

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So what should the objective Western reader do—who is stuck in the middle, does not read Arabic, and cannot independently verify anything—when confronted with absurd news emanating from the Islamic world?

Along with evaluating the evidence as best they can, I suggest they learn to connect-the-dots. The fact is, there is no end of bizarre anecdotes emanating from the Islamic world. Saudi Arabia's highest Islamic authority until he died in 1999, Sheikh Bin Baz—hardly someone to be dismissed as being "far, far out on the nutty fringe"—insisted that the earth was flat and that all scientific evidence otherwise is a Western conspiracy.

In 2007, Egypt's second highest Islamic authority, Sheikh Ali Gomaa—the same "moderate" Grand Mufti who deems all Christians "infidels"—decreed that drinking the urine of Muhammad was a great blessing. Likewise, a few weeks ago in Egypt it was revealed that there is now a clinic "healing" people by giving them camel urine to drink—because Muhammad once advised it.

Then there are the notorious breastfeeding fatwas: Several Islamic clerics—including Dr. Izzat Atiya, of Egypt's Al Azhar University—advised Muslim female workers to "breastfeed" their male co-workers in order to be in each other's company (more "moderate" clerics say it is not necessary for the man to drink the milk directly from the teat but may use a cup).

The list goes on and on: Several Muslims, including prominent ones, are calling for the reinstitution of sex-slavery, whereby "infidel" women can be bought and sold in markets. One female Kuwaiti politician even recommends that Russian women seized during the Chechnya jihad be sold as sex-slaves on Muslim markets. :eek:

Other prominent clerics insist that Islam allows men to get "married" to baby girls still in the cradle, having sex with them once these children are "capable of being placed beneath and bearing the weight of the men." :eek:

How does one explain these absurd and vile teachings—teachings advocated, not from radicals nor clerics "far, far out on the nutty fringe"—but often from its highest authorities? Simple: Islamic jurisprudence, which is responsible for defining what is right and wrong in Islam, is fundamentally based on the words of a 7th century Arab whom Muslims venerate as a prophet. And this man said and did many things that defy modern day sensibilities.

Indeed, he said and did many things that defied the sensibilities of his contemporaries—such as stripping naked and lying with a dead woman to the surprise of her gravediggers (which, incidentally, is cited by the necrophilia fatwas). And it was the prophet who first ordered a woman to "breastfeed" a man in order to be in his company. Though she expressed shock at the very idea, she went through with it anyway.

Here, then, is the rule of thumb: When it comes to determining whether a story from the Muslim world is a hoax or not, first determine whether it is it Islamic or not—whether it has doctrinal or historic support; whether it has some backing in the Quran and/or the hadith.

As it happens, destroying pyramids and pre-Islamic antiquities is very Islamic with a long paper trail; engaging in forbidden acts like sodomy or suicide or lying in order to empower Islam is legitimate according to the Islamic notion of niyya (or intention); crucifying the opponents of Islam is prescribed in the Quran—just as is sex-slavery and pedophilia; drinking urine—whether camels' or Muhammad's—is lauded in the hadith.

In short, the true test of whether an Islam-related story is a hoax or not, is not whether it accords with our sensibilities, but whether it accords with Islam's teachings, many of which are strange if not downright bizarre by Western standards. :lol:

Raymond Ibrahim is a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center and an Associate Fellow at the Middle East Forum.
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West blinks at Wahhabism's dark side By Zubair Khan
In Saudi Arabia there is no church, synagogue, Buddhist nor Hindu temple allowed. Wahhabism (pseudo Salafism) is not a religion of tolerance. Wahhabism provides the fundamental base for jihadism which causes unending strife and misery.

It is not Iran that should be bombed. In Iran there are still Jews living there and praying in their synagogues. Muammar al-Gaddafi respected Christian and Jewish religions and their churches, synagogues in Libya but American, English, French, Saudi and Qatari-financed terrorists have destroyed churches and synagogues recently. Buddhist temples including Bamiyan Buddha statues have survived in Islamic countries for centuries, but they would not survive under the Wahhabism.

Washington and London are protecting Wahhabi extremists. In Syria, Christians and their churches were safe before the Westerners began sending their Wahhabi fanatics to kill innocent Syrian civilians.

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The Wahhabis, and the British, supported the warlord Ibn Saud and legitimized the Saudi dynasty and its struggle against the Uthman Khillafath of Turkey. Since then the House of Saud always supports Britain and its allies, including the US and Israel. When the House of Saud took control of the Holy Places in Arabia from the Uthman Khillafath of Turkey with British support, 15 centuries of Islamic heritage was destroyed, including the desecration of the tombs of the wives and companions of the Holy Prophet, in the iconoclastic imposition of Wahhabism. The iconoclastic Wahhabi House of Saud gradually destroyed several holy shrines, including historical places of Islam from the Prophet's house in Mecca and companion Ayoob Ansari's house in Medina and turned them into apartments blocks and hotels. They also turned the site of the Prophet's wives' houses into a parking lot.

The Wahhabi-backed House of Saud took full control of the Hijaz, Mecca and Medina, in 1924 and established the modern state of Saudi Arabia, with Wahhabism as its official religion. Since then the House of Saud has promoted Wahhabism as normative Islam throughout the Islamic world. The House of Saud was consolidated on massive oil wealth and has spent huge sums of money building Wahhabi mosques, publishing Wahhabi literature and funding Wahhabi organizations world-wide. Today, with Wahhabi control of the Holy Places intact, virtually every aspect and corner of modern Islam has been penetrated by Wahhabi influence through the agency of the House of Saud.

Through the control of the Hajj - the beating heart of Islam - and through their vigorous publication and propaganda means, the Saudis have ensured that almost all Muslims are infected with Wahhabism to some extent.

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The Wahhabis have already created deep divisions in among Sri Lankan Muslims and have formed gangs to intimidate moderate Muslims who speak out against Wahhabi fanatics. Like the Christian fundamentalist groups using NGOs to convert innocent poor families to Christianity, Wahhabis help poor Muslim families by providing cash and other material benefits to convert them into their cult. By building churches and madrassas all over the world to harvest the poor souls is truly very clever idea. Wahhabis even use Sri Lankan Government Cultural and Religious Affairs Departments to continue their nefarious activities.

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The House of Saud, pretending to be the leaders of the Islam, promote their Wahhabi ideology world-wide. The result has been the birth of al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Lashkar-e-Taiba and other Wahhabi terrorist groups which are killing Sunni and Shi'ite Muslims alike in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

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Even the forced exodus of the Hindu Pandit community from the Kashmir Valley in India during the early 1990s, and the destruction of several Hindu and Sikh temples by the Wahhabi Jihadists in Kashmir, failed to slow down the volume of laudatory coverage of what were portrayed Wahhabi Jihadists as freedom fighters battling cruel Indian Army in Jammu and Kashmir State by the Western media. The "Kashmir Model" of using the language of democracy and human rights to win Western support, even while adhering to a contrary policy in practice was widely used to topple Libyan leader Muammar al-Gaddafi. Wahhabis hated Muammar al-Gaddafi for the fact that he ruled Libya, with no quarter given to Wahhabi demands as the imposition of Sharia law or the banning of women's dress other than the abaya.

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After Muammar al-Gaddafi was defeated and killed, Wahhabi Jihadists who took over Libya as a result of huge help from Nicholas Sarkozy and David Cameron have lost no time in imposing a Wahhabi version of Sharia law in Libya and in killing and jailing those who disagree with their extremist world-view. Fortunately for them, Western media channels that were once filled with news about Libya under Muammar Gaddafi are now silent about the immense human rights violations taking place in Libya after its "liberation" in 2011.

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While Western countries are opposed to Wahhabi jihadism and Sharia law in their own countries, in the Arab countries they favor Wahhabi jihadism over those who are secular. The result is a galloping Wahhabism and its Sharia law across the Arab countries.

Since the Western countries' subterfuge to destabilize Sri Lanka by surreptitiously supporting the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) failed, now the Western countries will promote Wahhabi jihadism to cause strife and trouble there.

Wahhabi followers - al-Qaeda, Taliban, Lashkar-e-TaibaTaliban and other Wahhabi terror groups - have caused untold misery in several countries including Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India. Sri Lanka appears to be their next target.
Nothing new as such, but atleast some people seem to be accepting facts. A good read (full article is not posted). Note the name of the author!
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Varoon Shekhar wrote:What the...

http://indiawires.com/13271/news/state- ... -to-burns/



A Malayali youth Jithu Mohan, who was doused with petrol and set ablaze for being in love with a girl of the Muslim community succumbed to death today. The boy was invited to the girl’s relative’s house on the pretext of peaceful discussions. But he was allegedly bathed in petrol by an Inspector named Wahab, Police Officer of AR Camp and set ablaze. Jithu succumbed to death at Amrita Hospital, Ernakulam. He is the third victim of Jihadi terrorism in Kerala in short span of time, his death following that of Vishal, Chengannur and Sachin, Kannur.

The Vice Captain of Kerala Junior football with bright future, Jithu was in love with Shabana, a Muslim girl hailing from Chunakkara. On getting a whiff of the relationship, the girl’s relatives opposed it and smuggled her to another relative’s house. Following this Jithu filed a habeas corpus in the Kerala High Court, following which the girl was produced before the court. She was, however, allowed to leave the place with her relatives. The attack on Jithu took place soon after the court hearing.

The testimony of Jithu being taken forcibly to the girl’s relative’s house was given by his friends. They said that Jithu made frantic calls for help as he was being attacked. “He was forcibly taken to the house of Shabana’s sister who resides in Kodungallur by her brother in law. Also in league with is an inspector Wahab. The incident of setting Jithu afire took place in Wahab’s house,” said sources.

Hindu organisations have called for a hartal tomorrow in Kodungallur and Mavellikara. They have demanded the arrest of Wahab and the others involved in the crime.
The ropers are conviniently claiming that he committed suicide
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Followers of Mohammaddenism go on the rampage in Dar Es Salaam in Tanzania and destroy some 7 places of worship used by followers of Christism.

The cause of this paroxysm of violence by the followers of Mohammaddenism per the Tanzanian Police were as follows:
………….. Giving details of the incident, the Dar es Salaam Special Zone Police Commander, Mr Kova said that the scuffles started when a 14 year old boy in Chamazi in Temeke district on the outskirts of the city joked with a Christian age mate on Friday.

"It was on Friday when a boy coming from an Islamic (Madrasa) class met a friend at a jobless corner, where they usually met for recreation. The boy was holding the Quran and said to his friend that if he urinated on this book he will turn into a cat or a snake immediately.

They boys agreed to put it into a test. He urinated but did not turn into any strange creature," RPC Kova explained…………….
Read it all:

Tanzania: Grief Greets Kikwete's Tour to Burnt Churches
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9607763 ... le-HQ.html
Muslims protest 'age of mockery' as thousands descend on Google HQ
protest by 10,000 Muslims outside the offices of Google in London today is just the first in an orchestrated attempt to force the company to remove an anti-Islamic film from website YouTube in Britain. Thousands had travelled from as far afield as Glasgow to take part in the demonstration, ahead of a planned million-strong march in Hyde Park in coming weeks. Anger over 'The Innocence of Muslims', an American-produced film which insults the Prophet Mohammad and demeans Muslims, according to protesters, remains available to watch on the website YouTube, a subsidiary of Google. Organiser Masoud Alam said: "Our next protest will be at the offices of Google and YouTube across the world. We are looking to ban this film.Speeches by more than a dozen imams in a mixture of Arabic, Urdu, and English urged Muslims to honour the name of the Prophet and not to back down in the face of Google's continuing reluctance to act, and were met with passionate cries of "God is Great" and "Mohammad is the Prophet of God" in Arabic. One of the speakers, Sheikh Faiz Al-Aqtab Siddiqui, told The Daily Telegraph: "Terrorism is not just people who kill human bodies, but who kill human feelings as well. The makers of this film have terrorised 1.6 billion people. "Organisations like Google are key players and have to take responsibility for civility. You can't just say it doesn't matter that it's freedom of speech. It's anarchy."
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Some material from 2011 exposing Islamist infiltration of US politics... This one is from the conservative movement. Focusses on Suhail Khan, a Moslem-American Republican politician whose father (Indian Moslem who migrated to the US) was one of the original founders of Islamic Society of North America, CAIR, Muslim Students Association, etc., and whose mother was still a sitting member on CAIR's board.



In this controversial footage, Suhail Khan dismisses a suggestion that the Ikhwan has any presence in the US. Later he toned that down and said it just wasn't anything he was aware of...



Hannity had a segment last year in which Suhail Khan was discussed. Several important points made by the group that was tracking him - points out that the vetting system of "security clearance" in the US Admin is broken, how proven terror supporters and Muslim Brotherhood agents were advisors to the White House and were consulted to even appoint Muslim chaplains in the US Army and other functionaries (e.g. Nidal Hassan).



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From the above link... ""Prophet Muhammad is the founder of freedom of speech" - learn new things everyday...
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Burma blocks opening of office for Islamic body OIC

Bravo Burma!
Burma's president has blocked a global Islamic body from opening an office to help Muslims involved in recent communal violence in the west of Burma.

A statement on the president's website said such an office was not in accordance with the people's wishes.
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Anindya wrote:From the above link... ""Prophet Muhammad is the founder of freedom of speech" - learn new things everyday...
He was, because he was the creator of sharia and were sharia-compliant.

All other non-Islamic talk is non-sharia-compliant, hence not free speech.
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Events of the last few weeks have once again thrown into sharp relief why numerous commentators across the political divide, ideologies & cultures worry greatly about Islam. Some do not just worry; they fear.

They worry about and fear an ideology that apparently condones killing of “followers” who may have second thoughts; they fear an ideology which justifies war and violence against the “infidels” and enemies as long as it is for a “just” cause[ii]. They fear an ideology that shows no qualms in killing and maiming fellow believers simply because they have a difference of opinion or interpretation.

They worry about an ideology that considers half of humanity somehow “lesser” than the other half[iii]; that condemns young girls to a lifetime of ignorance and servitude[iv] and that justifies people getting into a paroxysm of rage over perceived or real “insults” to their sacred texts, symbols or figures.

And yet, the one refrain that almost invariably accompanies each such outbreak of barbarity and violence is “Islam is a religion of peace”. Except for one inconvenient fact: If it is, why do its adherents find it so hard to contain and condemn violence?


http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... le-muslims
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A forgotten Hamzanama
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About the extradition of a Abu Hazma - Al Masri. The author tries to prove that all such extremist elements in UK, were actually used by the British Intelligence Agencies, and then dumped for good ;).
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Sachin wrote:A forgotten Hamzanama
(The Hindu)

About the extradition of a Abu Hazma - Al Masri. The author tries to prove that all such extremist elements in UK, were actually used by the British Intelligence Agencies, and then dumped for good ;).
Not only Britain but the whole of NATO even today seems to support extreme forms of Islamism on Asian, Rusiian, Indian subcontinental and Arabic shores to meet thier foreign Trade and business objectives. However, they don't support them in thier countries.
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http://www.eurasiareview.com/16102012-t ... -concerns/

Leaked tapes point to real agenda of Ghannouchi ...interestingly, so-called moderate Islamist, Erdogan, has made similar statements, describing democracy as a 'wayside station' in the journey or something of that sort...that is it is useful only to achieve the Caliphate/Emirate where he is the Caliph/Emir of course..
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Aditya_V wrote:
Sachin wrote:A forgotten Hamzanama
(The Hindu)

About the extradition of a Abu Hazma - Al Masri. The author tries to prove that all such extremist elements in UK, were actually used by the British Intelligence Agencies, and then dumped for good ;).
Not only Britain but the whole of NATO even today seems to support extreme forms of Islamism on Asian, Rusiian, Indian subcontinental and Arabic shores to meet thier foreign Trade and business objectives. However, they don't support them in thier countries.
They allowed it in their own backyard in Croatia-Kosovo. The jihad there was carefully planned, funded by the larger Arab peninsular funding system. Their prior status as terrorists was changed overnight to freedom-fghters under the Clinton admin. it may all be after all a case of money. If the Arabs are willing to pay for it - the powers that be will sponsor a jihad as freedom-struggle anywhere.
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harbans wrote:
And yet, the one refrain that almost invariably accompanies each such outbreak of barbarity and violence is “Islam is a religion of peace”. Except for one inconvenient fact: If it is, why do its adherents find it so hard to contain and condemn violence?
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... le-muslims[/quote]

humph! Can no one understand? Violence is required to bring peace. Once all opponents and dissenters are eliminated there will be complete consensus and complete peace. You want peace? Just submit, or die.

Malala did not submit. She has been given peace. Why was she shot? Allah willed it, because nothing happens that is not willed by Allah.
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Shiv Ji, what do you make out of the recent spate of mainstream articles that are attacking the core of the ideology as the reason responsible for the barbaric acts perpetrated across in Islams interaction with the lesser green and Kufr. 3 years ago or even 2 let alone 10 these types of articles would be considered 'Islamophobic'..but over the last few months there has been a spate of them. The Kufr is hitting back..rightly. But do you think anything is going to come out of it? It's actually quite an open question, so anyone who has an idea what may come out of it, please do share. This is quite a unique moment, that a lot of terminology including Macualyte ki aulad/ BENIS/ RoP is catching on mainstream. Maybe many years of hard work by those that try and analyze the truth in such matters is paying off?
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Muslims going after Swiss Airline for CROSS: Swiss Airline Advertising offends Muslims
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... lims-.html
The last campaign of the Swiss carrier does not go unnoticed. On large format posters plastered across the Sarine, is the Swiss flag, accompanied by the slogan "Kreuz ist Trumpf." Which literally means "the cross is an asset," or "clover asset" for fans of jass, the traditional card game. A double meaning is not to be understood by everyone.Muslims in Switzerland have reacted strongly to this view. On some forums, users rebelled against the Swiss do and that reference to the "cross", not the "Swiss cross" reports "Der Sonntag". The virulence of the Internet is not surprising Turkish journalist Cemil Baysal. So shortly after the excitement caused in the Muslim world by the film "Innocence of uslims", "Muslims feel that many Christian slogan as a provocation and an attack against Islam."
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brihaspati wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:quote="Sachin"]A forgotten Hamzanama
(The Hindu)

About the extradition of a Abu Hazma - Al Masri. The author tries to prove that all such extremist elements in UK, were actually used by the British Intelligence Agencies, and then dumped for good ;).
Not only Britain but the whole of NATO even today seems to support extreme forms of Islamism on Asian, Rusiian, Indian subcontinental and Arabic shores to meet thier foreign Trade and business objectives. However, they don't support them in thier countries./quote]

They allowed it in their own backyard in Croatia-Kosovo. The jihad there was carefully planned, funded by the larger Arab peninsular funding system. Their prior status as terrorists was changed overnight to freedom-fghters under the Clinton admin. it may all be after all a case of money. If the Arabs are willing to pay for it - the powers that be will sponsor a jihad as freedom-struggle anywhere.
Yugoslavia and Serbs in particular are close to Russians, they both identify themselves as Slavs and Historically identified with each other, USA, UK were going for the kill in 90's in completly disintergrating Russia and its allies. Saudis were used to turn the hornest nest in Chechanya, who got got de facto independence in 1996, but were egged on to try and get Dagestan and whole of caucasia by the West with Saudi funds.

Russians got fed up and took final deciscive miltary action in 2000 and after experiments with pro western PM , even Yelstin realised there was no point in raproachment.

Russians then used the GAS supplies then to Bring Germany, Ukraine and part of Western Europe in line.

Thats why the West needs Syria to help supply GAS through pipelines to restart its unfinished business with Russia.

It was the West using the Gulf money in former Yugosalvia for thier foreign policy goals and not the other way around.

For some Foreign Policy Mandarins in the State Department and UK, Fundamentalists in Islam are the Rabid Doberman, rotweiller dog to achive foreign policy goals, the provide men and money.

Its only when the shit hits home do they want to cage it, the same France which Bans burqas at Home has been a supporter of TSP backed Kashmiris in India.
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harbans wrote:Shiv Ji, what do you make out of the recent spate of mainstream articles that are attacking the core of the ideology as the reason responsible for the barbaric acts perpetrated across in Islams interaction with the lesser green and Kufr. 3 years ago or even 2 let alone 10 these types of articles would be considered 'Islamophobic'..but over the last few months there has been a spate of them. The Kufr is hitting back..rightly. But do you think anything is going to come out of it? It's actually quite an open question, so anyone who has an idea what may come out of it, please do share. This is quite a unique moment, that a lot of terminology including Macualyte ki aulad/ BENIS/ RoP is catching on mainstream. Maybe many years of hard work by those that try and analyze the truth in such matters is paying off?
Harbans no. In my view nothing is going to come of it. And my reply wil be OT here and I may have to cross post it elsewhere

Let me state some thoughts. Pakistanis started off like Indian Muslims and like any group identity they bargained for an advantage and in making that bargain they used their Muslim identity and Muslims rights as opposed to non Muslims.

I believe that right from the time of partition there was a tacit assumption among Pakistanis - primarily driven by the RAPE/rich feudals that Pakistanis are fundamentally moderate Muslims who see no harm in women's education, TV, music etc. This was true only for the elite. Pakistan hid away its masses - perhaps 80 million in 1947. Under that feudal set up the lower class kept their women covered and did not allow women's education while the upper classes appeared secular. The covenant between the upper and lower classes was that their duty was to fight India and rescue Indians Muslims, especially Kashmiris because the Pakistani narrative was that they were successful and moderate while the oppression was in India.

In 60 years this has changed. This is partly India's fault. India too was ruled by an elite (Nehruvian) but India pushed its upper castes down and brought in reservation that allowed the middle and lower castes to come up. For Pakistan this was a disaster. The biggest complaint about India was the story that the dominant upper castes were cruel to the lower castes and Muslims.Both these lies were nailed in India in 60 years and Pakistanis started looking inwards and found everything that was supposed to be wrong in India alive and well in Pakistan

To cut a long story short there can be no reconciliation between the Islamists and the so called Jinnah-model Pakis who light candles for malala. The latter group are shit scared of being killed. Their women are covered up. I suspect that the Pakistan army is Islamized enough to ensure that Army officers wives too are covered up and that army parties have separate men and women and no alcohol. But they still have TV and women's education and polio immunization.

Among the Islamists there are two groups - the bad Taliban who are fighting now and who have shot Malala and the good Islamists like the JuD/LeT. The JuD/LeT ensure that the army wives are covered up and army parties are alcohol free. But they do not stop polio immunization or women's education. These are the moderate Islamists whom the RAPE support and admire,

But the JuD/LeT will not fight the bad Taliban. The LeT will not fight the army like the Taliban do. The LeT/JuD have army people in their ranks and army as LeT/JuD in their ranks. They are the moderates, the Jinnah-ists. The bad Taliban are probably mostly Pasthun and so the "war on terror" is US forcing Paki army to fight Pashtuns.

I think Pakistan will split again. Already a de facto formation of Pakhtunistan has occurred. Already the Pakis do not control Waziristan and the US/Afghanistan government do not control vast areas near the Afghan Pakistan border. This is Pakhtunistan. Pakhtunistan will be Taliban ruled but will be kept away from Kabul by US support. They will be kept away from Pakjab by the Paki army. The Paki army will not control the Taliban no matter what. I do not believe there will be a return to the 90s. Rabid Islamism is the Taliban's trump card. Pakis cannot fight that without abrogating the very Islam they claim to stand for. Pakistan can escape general civil war by hiving off Pakhtunistan. There may be an "autonomy" fig leaf though

Juet my thoughts
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Rabid Islamism is the Taliban's trump card. Pakis cannot fight that without abrogating the very Islam they claim to stand for. Pakistan can escape general civil war by hiving off Pakhtunistan.
Thanks Shiv Ji for sharing. However i do wonder if that very abrogation has just begun, judging obviously quite narrowly by the single article that appeared in Pakistan Today. Indeed it is too early really to comment on that based on a single article.

Don't blame the Taliban
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Harbans, It would help if you give a link or post the article.

Shiv is right. We are seeing the defacto collapse but under fig leaf of autonomy.
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Ramana in the previous post i mentioned a spate of articles in mainstream media that are questioning the ideology. The single piece that appeared here was discussed for a few pages till almost a day or 2 ago TSP thread is here below. The article is significant and should have been noticed by anyone reading up on TSP. It's the FIRST time that Islamic ideology itself has been directly put forward as Raison de Etre for TSPs present state today in a Paki mainstream paper. If not i must have missed something. Hence the question to Shiv about if he notices some change in the offing. .

Don't blame the Taliban
We are seeing the defacto collapse but under fig leaf of autonomy.
Yes that is well known. Nothing revealing about that.
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Thanks for the article.

Glad you know it already.
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FBI arrests man in New York Federal Reserve bomb plot
A Bangladeshi man who travelled to New York hoping to commit a terrorist attack so severe it would halt the US election was arrested after allegedly trying and failing to detonate a 1,000lb car bomb outside the Federal Reserve.
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Salafists destroy ancient Morocco carvings: NGO
(AFP) – 11 hours ago
RABAT — Stone carvings in Morocco's High Atlas mountains dating back more than 8,000 years and depicting the sun as a pagan divinity have been destroyed by Salafists, a local rights group said on Wednesday.
"These stone carvings of the sun are more than 8,000 years old. They were destroyed several days ago," Aboubakr Anghir, a member of the Amazigh (Berber) League for Human Rights, told AFP.

"One of the carvings, called 'the plaque of the sun,' predates the arrival of the Phoenicians in Morocco," Anghir said.
"It lies in a well-known archaeological site in the Yakour plain south of Marrakesh, 20 kilometres (12 miles) from Mount Toubkal."
"There are several Salafist groups active in the region and it's not the first time these pre-Islamic sites have been attacked. We have sent a message to the ministry of culture, but have not yet received a reply," he added.
Salafists, Muslims who adhere to a hardline Sunni interpretation of Islam similar to that practised in Saudi Arabia, which strictly prohibits "idolatry," have enjoyed a surge in strength in Arab Spring countries, benefiting from wider freedom.
Late on Monday, one of Tunisia's main Sufi mausoleums was burned down in an overnight arson attack, seemingly the latest in a spate of attacks on unorthodox Sufi shrines by the country's increasingly assertive Salafists.
In northern Mali, which is close to Morocco, radical Islamists have destroyed ancient World Heritage shrines they consider idolatrous since seizing control of the region earlier this year.

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Shivji,

Some photos from Pk aptly describe the scenario of air tight segregation of males & female population as depicted in this photo.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ukinpakist ... /lightbox/
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shiv wrote:I suspect that the Pakistan army is Islamized enough to ensure that Army officers wives too are covered up and that army parties have separate men and women and no alcohol. But they still have TV and women's education and polio immunization.
Interesting post Shiv san, however your assumption on army vis-a-vis alcohol is not accurate. The army enjoys alcohol just like the US army does. I know this because a friend of mine was a pak major. The rules don't apply to them.
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dada wrote:Shivji,

Some photos from Pk aptly describe the scenario of air tight segregation of males & female population as depicted in this photo.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ukinpakist ... /lightbox/
Interesting! Where are the mullahs to deal with the 'adultress' peeking through the divider?
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Shonu wrote:
shiv wrote:I suspect that the Pakistan army is Islamized enough to ensure that Army officers wives too are covered up and that army parties have separate men and women and no alcohol. But they still have TV and women's education and polio immunization.
Interesting post Shiv san, however your assumption on army vis-a-vis alcohol is not accurate. The army enjoys alcohol just like the US army does. I know this because a friend of mine was a pak major. The rules don't apply to them.
Perhaps, but this statement is out of step with both an article that appeared on here n the issue, and the memoirs of people like Air Commodore Nosey Haider who have stated in no uncertain terms that the armed forces have changed and officers can no longer make public displays of unislamic behavior such as mixed men-women parties and drinking. The other point is that you can expect every RAPE Pakistani to pretend that all is well in Pakistan when all is not well.

One of the changes that appeared on the surface after the killing of Salman wotzis name by Qadri is that the old paradigm of free "westernized" behavior in front of lower ranks is no longer possible. In private maybe, but mess parties and official semi official gatherings take a break for namaz and segregate men and women.
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Blasphemany Law now in force in India under Auspicous of the Central and State Govt.

Freedom of speech is only against Hindus.

Minorities panel goes to cops over anti-Islam tweets
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