Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 18 Oct 2012 04:03

Few more details. Apparently malala is not a random nobody but the daughter of a local prominent person. The school she goes to is also attended by the daughters of jernails and kernails posted in the region. The bullet went into her skull and then through her neck and is lodged near her vertebra. So she was shot from above (she was sitting or kneeling? ) Miraculous that she survived.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Oct 2012 04:12

We used to have a running total of US aid(civil/military) to TSP since 911. Any one knows the current totals?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Oct 2012 04:22

Paki Bin Khaki Ki Ghustafi
State of intelligence

All that has changed; the separatists are no longer in hiding. They are, in fact, so visible and strong that now they can force any town to close down whenever they want. When a separatist activist was killed on September 4 in an encounter with Levies in Tump area, his comrades forced a complete strike in Turbat. All government and private banks were still shut in the city when this scribe visited it, about a week after the encounter.In far-flung rural parts of Makran Division, the separatists are virtually running a parallel government. Many traders and businessmen in the cities say rural areas of Gwadar, Kech, Awaran and Panjgur districts are under the control of the separatist militants. Naseer Jan, a shopkeeper in Turbat, tells the Herald how he left his ancestral village, Balicha, and settled in Turbat city to avoid constant threats to himself and his family from the militants.
Another indication of the increased power of the militants in the area is that many local leaders of political parties which believe in parliamentary politics have left their rural homes for Karachi and Quetta because they do not feel safe in the militant-dominated areas. In the words of a local political activist, it is revealing to see how “those who claim themselves to be the leaders of the masses are leaving.” Dr Abdul Malik, the head of the National Party, is always surrounded by government-provided armed guards and cannot move freely even in his hometown; Akhtar Mengal, who heads the Balochistan National Party–Mengal (BNPM), was living outside Pakistan until recently, for fear of his life.The rise in the separatists’ power has forced political activists to concede that they no longer have the people’s ears. “Yes, the masses listen to the separatists,” says advocate Abdul Hameed, a former vice-chairman of the Balochistan Bar Council who is also a local leader of the Balochistan National Party in Turbat.But Jamaldini and other political leaders like him argue that the main responsibility for the deteriorating situation lies with the security and intelligence agencies. They claim the agencies have caused the breakdown of law and order by creating and sponsoring criminal gangs and drug peddlers in every Baloch district, mainly to counter the militants but also to kidnap and kill activists of political parties and to gun down non-Baloch settlers.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Oct 2012 04:57

Juggni Aaaye Pakistan , Kehndi Dekhna Pure Islam
Saare maangte, koi Kajj Naa Kaam,Naa koi school tey Naa hai Dhukaan
Addhe pagal Tei Addhe Shaitan, Verbal Diarrhea Tei Permanent Jhukaam
Raatii Rovee tei Dinnhe Preshan
Kaardi Mullah Naal Kaalam ,Pooche Halal Tei Kinne Haaram
Bole Mullah sunn meri Jaan, Pehla Layye Ik dho Jaam
Phir Duss apni pehchan,Kii Tuu Momin yaa Insaan,
Dekh Ki likhya which Kuran,Pure Islam is Pakistan
Pakistan is Pure islam,Taliban tho Naqli Naam.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 18 Oct 2012 05:00

ramana wrote:We used to have a running total of US aid(civil/military) to TSP since 911. Any one knows the current totals?

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R41856.pdf

See pages 20-21 table 2. This doesn't cover unaccounted assistance which varies an additional $300 to $500 million per year.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 18 Oct 2012 05:56

R-man, R-D

An important factor in this calculation is the US elections. Once Nov happens, whoever wins, the pressure is off TSPA's back for a while at least. If Romney, he is too busy building team and focussing on domestic. If Ombaba, then it is even better as a lame duck liberal wimp trying to 'find his place in history, perhaps win a second Nobel', he can always be fooled with some yarn.

I do see strong circumstantial evidence of this whole Malala episode being manufactured in ISI HQ, but to pull it off so precisely like Clint Eastwood getting shot in ears by Angel Eyes requires marksmanship of Kollywood Vijayakanth standards. I suppose they would have had another script ready in hand if Malala got halalaed.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Oct 2012 09:39

MAULANA ABUL KALAM AZAD IN 1947 AND PRESENT SITUATION OF PAKISTAN
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Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 Oct 2012 12:31

i dont think ISI initiated malala shooting, but they are certainly milking it for all they are worth

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Oct 2012 14:24

Pakistan will not become an issue in the Presidential Elections. Romney will not bring it up, because then he would indirectly be reminding of how Obama took down Osama, which he does not want. Obama won't bring up Pakistan much simply so that he does not get criticized for all the US policies of feeding the enemy who is out to kill US soldiers.

So the issue would remain Iran, Syria, attack on American Embassy in Libya and credit from and outsourcing to China.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 18 Oct 2012 14:30

Pakis are complaining that pro Kabul Taliban are being released and delisted whereas pro Islamabad Taliban are not. Apparently this is the latest name for good Taliban and bad Taliban.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 18 Oct 2012 15:36

Is there such a thing as pro-kabul Taliban?!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Oct 2012 17:14

Suppiah wrote:Is there such a thing as pro-kabul Taliban?!

Suppiah, that is a very good question, though you seem surprised. Unfortunately, Karzai could not develop that constituency effectively. The loss of Karzai's powerful brother last year was a huge setback. I would give credit to Pakistan for not allowing an emergence of an alternative to the Taliban. After having invested so much in the Taliban, TSP could not have been expected to do so either. Also, TSP has mounted the tiger for it to unmount. TSP may bleed to death in the process, incidentally through a thousand self-inflicted cuts, but that is an entirely different matter.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 18 Oct 2012 17:45

Having mounted the tiger,

SSridhar wrote:TSP may bleed to death in the process, incidentally through a thousand ~~self-inflicted cuts~~ in-bred cubs, but that is an entirely different matter.

Though our jehadi terrorist brothers are hardcore ahl-e-sunnat, they do self-flagellate better than their shia birathers..

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 18 Oct 2012 17:57

RajeshA wrote:Pakistan will not become an issue in the Presidential Elections. Romney will not bring it up, because then he would indirectly be reminding of how Obama took down Osama, which he does not want. Obama won't bring up Pakistan much simply so that he does not get criticized for all the US policies of feeding the enemy who is out to kill US soldiers.

So the issue would remain Iran, Syria, attack on American Embassy in Libya and credit from and outsourcing to China.

Good observations.

But first OT, Yesterday, India's version of RAPE, Vir Sanghvi in HT was going gaga over US debate and lamenting India's lack of substantive discourse, when in fact, the healthy anti-corruption saga dominates India's airwaves, and for whatever its worth, very healthy in the long reason.

Reason I bring this up is because in the next US presidential debate on foreign policy, the narrow confines of the debate will be very well defined as you note above, and within those confines, Obama, Ramoney, and their handlers on MSNBC/Fox can a spin a web on how they differ when in fact there are hardly any given the confines they are restricted to.

Thus, a real debate on TSP will not even be on the cards, when in fact in this season of govt spending, endless wars etc, debating TSP role in the loss of US lives, the billions and billions wasted and gone down the drain feeding the coffers of TSPA, the terrorist abomination that it is, should be front and center. Instead all they will "debate" is whether Obama used the word terror forcefully or not to describe what happened in Libya, and thats the "massive difference" in the worldviews of the 2 candidates. Give me a f$%&ing break.

And if this is not laughable, our RAPE in New Delhi are so enamored by this tamasha, while the cowards can't even summon the guts to call on TSP as the terrorist abomination that it is, and instead collude with MMS and his gang in aman ki tamasha.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 18 Oct 2012 18:37

CRamS wrote:I respectfully disagree. Resuming suuch a massive amount of aid in a hush hush manner and is not even up for debate (natl security bs) means there is much more than just wanting to maintain leverage.

Yup, it's Clinton, the Bilderberg group, Freemasons, Rothschilds and Ambanis all ganging up to thwart India. After all, recent Indian activity suggests that we are going to grow the economy at 400% rate and become a super-hyper-dooper world power if not for evil conspiracies launched by the secret societies.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 18 Oct 2012 19:00

http://news.yahoo.com/family-shocked-ba ... 21175.html

Bangladesh does not have the same record of involvement in global terror as Pakistan, with which it once formed a nation before winning its independence in 1971. At least one Bangladeshi was among those detained by the U.S. at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba.

Now people are talking about Pakistan's "record of terrorism" openly and directly.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 18 Oct 2012 19:20

Rangudu wrote:
CRamS wrote:I respectfully disagree. Resuming suuch a massive amount of aid in a hush hush manner and is not even up for debate (natl security bs) means there is much more than just wanting to maintain leverage.
Yup, it's Clinton, the Bilderberg group, Freemasons, Rothschilds and Ambanis all ganging up to thwart India. After all, recent Indian activity suggests that we are going to grow the economy at 400% rate and become a super-hyper-dooper world power if not for evil conspiracies launched by the secret societies.

err...why not?!!

MMS-Montek->UN->US->US Corporates(FDI)?
MMS-Montek->(~~deliberate~~) slowing down the economy (~~to justify FDI and prevent the rise of India~~)?
Maino->KGB & Foreign funding. ~~KGB documents in CIA hands. ISI knows the details~~ -> ~~Blackmail~~?
Maino-> Swiss money ->~~CIA-ISI Blackmail~~?
Corruption->Mines->Missionary->~~scam money routed for conversions in sub-continent~~(eg: Kanimozhi, YSR)?
Media->~~missionary funded~~->providing cover for the corrupt?
EVM->?

Not really a 'secret' unless one wants to bury the head in the sand.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 18 Oct 2012 20:00

Rangudu wrote:
CRamS wrote:I respectfully disagree. Resuming suuch a massive amount of aid in a hush hush manner and is not even up for debate (natl security bs) means there is much more than just wanting to maintain leverage.
Yup, it's Clinton, the Bilderberg group, Freemasons, Rothschilds and Ambanis all ganging up to thwart India. After all, recent Indian activity suggests that we are going to grow the economy at 400% rate and become a super-hyper-dooper world power if not for evil conspiracies launched by the secret societies.

You forgot the Trilateral Commission.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 18 Oct 2012 20:05

Bro R, you are being facetious. India conntainment or more aptly Hindu containment is a key element of US policy.

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 18 Oct 2012 20:13

Sorry about the OT but this is coming fresh from US, on our eastern neighbours

Federal Reserve bomb plot busted: FBI arrests Al Qaeda wanna-be Bangladeshi national.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/man ... z29f9SGJgo
The bust was the result of a sting operation conducted by the FBI-NYPD joint Terrorism Task Force.

A bloodthirsty Al Qaeda wanna-be was busted Wednesday after setting out to blow up the Federal Reserve Bank in lower Manhattan with a bogus 1,000-pound bomb he built with the help of undercover FBI agents, officials said.

Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis, 21, a Bangladeshi national living in Jamaica, Queens, boasted he wanted to “destroy America” and professed admiration for “our beloved Sheikh Osama Bin Laden,” federal authorities said.

Update: Guys this story is worth a full read

Regards,
Virendra

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Oct 2012 20:32

You guys can have fun but more impartantly the LeT is still there and there is still the hatred against Indians and Hindus. Indians are getting killed and Islamic radical message are getting inside India. Kashmir is still not peaceful and the Islamic state is getting military aid.
Indian interest is not being taken care of.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 18 Oct 2012 21:14

CRamS wrote:Bro R, you are being facetious. India conntainment or more aptly Hindu containment is a key element of US policy.

Yes, one look at Pranab Mukherjee and his ilk makes the world tremble with fear.

We talk of the past glory, civilizational history etc. but if you are going to be reductionist, here's some reductionism for you - India was a non-entity during the Cold War and is working to be a non-entity now. We had a brief affair with 'high status' but our leaders have shown that they are incapable of thinking big or thinking beyond their parochial interests. Even the greatest of businesses, in the hands of incompetent fools, turn into waste.

There is nothing that a global conspiracy can do to thwart India that can come close to what Indians are doing to India.

nakul · Post by **nakul** » 18 Oct 2012 21:26

^^^

Don't score self goals. The US is already taking steps to co opt India -- nuke deals, FDI, strategic partnership etc. An India outside its camp is more dangerous than India inside. The UK before the US did try to woo Indian elite before granting independence. When it did not get full co operation, Jinnah was propped.

If you study European history, every explorer was trying to find the route to India. Columbus & da Gama wanted to discover sea routes to India. The trade along the ancient silk route is well known. We had about 25% of world's GDP. If you study western recorded history, India was at its lowest in the last 300 yrs only. In the context of Indian history, it is a few hrs. I don't think that everyone subscribes to the view that India was born on 1947. For all of recorded history, India has been a superpower except when ruled by the British.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Oct 2012 21:29

Suppiah wrote:R-man, R-D

An important factor in this calculation is the US elections. Once Nov happens, whoever wins, the pressure is off TSPA's back for a while at least. If Romney, he is too busy building team and focussing on domestic. If Ombaba, then it is even better as a lame duck liberal wimp trying to 'find his place in history, perhaps win a second Nobel', he can always be fooled with some yarn.

I do see strong circumstantial evidence of this whole Malala episode being manufactured in ISI HQ, but to pull it off so precisely like Clint Eastwood getting shot in ears by Angel Eyes requires marksmanship of Kollywood Vijayakanth standards. I suppose they would have had another script ready in hand if Malala got halalaed.

Not true. Its very clear that Obama had made a campaign promise in 2008 that he would go after AlQ in even in TSP. He has kept that promise with increased drone attacks, the OBL raid and other things. He seems to have good understanding of TSP hamartia.

Also if he gets second term he might go further while the first termer will be distracted with doemstic economy.

We can have horse blinders but should not shut our eyes.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 18 Oct 2012 21:39

RajeshA wrote:Pakistan will not become an issue in the Presidential Elections.

The agenda for next week's debate is already released and AfPak is on the top.

Popcorn time.

saip · Post by **saip** » 18 Oct 2012 22:01

CRamS wrote:Bro R, you are being facetious. India conntainment or more aptly Hindu containment is a key element of US policy.

US policy is world domination and global supremacy and they want to rule the world for as long as possible as the sole super power. They dont care if it is Hindu, Muslim or Christian containment. And why should they not? All countries including Pakis want to do that -- only in their case it is a wet dream.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 18 Oct 2012 22:39

Even if AfPak is top of the debate, it doesn't matter, both will claim they will decimate and erase TSP from the map once they are elected, very similar to what Ombaba said in 2008. After the election, TSP will be gifted with fighter planes, billions of dollars and will be called their best ally in GWOT. When it comes to TSP, both parties are snake oil salesmen, Indians are losers in their debate anyway...both the candidates know nothing about the true nature of TSP or turn a blind eye anyway if they know.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 18 Oct 2012 22:58

saip wrote:
CRamS wrote:Bro R, you are being facetious. India conntainment or more aptly Hindu containment is a key element of US policy.
US policy is world domination and global supremacy and they want to rule the world for as long as possible as the sole super power. They dont care if it is Hindu, Muslim or Christian containment. And why should they not? All countries including Pakis want to do that -- only in their case it is a wet dream.

There is a very strong element of monotheistic bigotry against the pagans in US foriegn policy -- this manifests itself in various ways such as support to Pakistan against India, support to Muslims in India against the Hindus, hatred of Modi and RSS and anyone else articulating Hindu interests, promotion of missonaries inside India, alleging religious discrimination in India against the minorities, hype up the caste system internationally, etc.

nakul · Post by **nakul** » 18 Oct 2012 23:01

^^^

For them, its not Hindu, Muslim, or Christianity as equally. Actually it is christian > muslim > hindu. Christianity is obviously preferred since they are christians themselves. Between muslim & hindu, Islam has far greater commonality with christianity thn hindu. Its about how close we are to their world view that influences their ability to control us. That is why they push missionaries into heathen lands to harvest souls & in return gain control.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 19 Oct 2012 00:56

Latest Nightwatch on Malala incident

NightWatch For the night of 17 October 2012 wrote: Pakistan: Update. Evidently stung by the overwhelmingly negative Pakistani public reaction to the attack on the Pakistani teenage girl and education activist, Malala, the Pakistani Taliban, known as the Tehrik-i-Taliban (TTP), and their allies issued a defense of the shooting.

Three terrorist groups, the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistani (TTP), Abu Zar of Harikat-e-Islami Uzbekistan (HIU) and al-Sahab, al-Qaida's media and propaganda arm, jointly subscribed to the press statement justifying the attack on Malala on Tuesday, 16 October. Al Qaida's Al-Sahab is the sponsor of the three-page statement which was read over the air in Urdu in the tribal agencies of western Pakistan.

The Swat District Taliban led by Maulana Fazlullah, who apparently is now based in Afghanistan's Kunar Province, claimed to have organized the attack. "The girl was part of an agenda perpetrated by the British Broadcasting Corporation to run an organized campaign against jihad, Islamic Sharia and purda or veil," according to a so-called Taliban commander who read the statement. "Now when she was shot, everyone - from Pakistan to the United States - is crying about it."

The statement questioned why NGOs, mostly US-funded, media and others decried Malala's shooting but ignored abuses and killings by the US and Pakistan governments. It said Malala deserved to die because she had spoken out against the 'mujahidin' and praised US President Barack Obama.

The Taliban justified the attack by describing Malala as a "spy of the West." The Taliban denied that they targeted her for advocating education for girls and said that they would again try to kill her if she survived. "For this espionage, infidels gave her awards and rewards. And Islam orders killing of those who are spying for enemies…. We did not attack her for raising her voice for education. We targeted her for opposing the mujahedeen and their war. Shariah (Islamic law) says that even a child can be killed if it is propagating against Islam.

The statement also contained the Taliban's calculation of Malala's age, purporting to prove she is 15 year old and an adult woman, as defined by Shariah. Thus, she is accountable for her statements as an adult.

Comment: The outpouring of support in Pakistan for Malala has been overwhelmingly sympathetic, but no Pakistanis have challenged the Taliban's right to kill a girl in defense of Islam. Many also have opposed an army offensive into the tribal agencies.

The Pakistani Taliban have wrapped themselves in Sharia, as its defenders, and have no remorse or regrets. The connection to outside agencies is not as farfetched as it might appear because the school Malala attended has a connection to the US through her father. The school is now almost closed because the students and teachers fear for their lives from Taliban threats.

It is rare for al-Qaida or its affiliates to sense the need to justify an attack. The Taliban statement, on the other hand, confirms its relationships with al Qaida and Uzbek Islamic terrorists.

(extra hilighting by admin?

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Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 19 Oct 2012 02:03

Rangudu wrote:
CRamS wrote:Bro R, you are being facetious. India conntainment or more aptly Hindu containment is a key element of US policy.
Yes, one look at Pranab Mukherjee and his ilk makes the world tremble with fear.

We talk of the past glory, civilizational history etc. but if you are going to be reductionist, here's some reductionism for you - India was a non-entity during the Cold War and is working to be a non-entity now. We had a brief affair with 'high status' but our leaders have shown that they are incapable of thinking big or thinking beyond their parochial interests. Even the greatest of businesses, in the hands of incompetent fools, turn into waste.

There is nothing that a global conspiracy can do to thwart India that can come close to what Indians are doing to India.

+1. Every time a minister waltzes (or whatever) into NYC, and you listen to them speak, you get the impression that they believe the world revolves a) around them and b) around India. You just walk out with a sigh.

The self goals on FDI, the confusion around the nuke liability and rubbish statements and actions by ministers have cooled a lot of the ardor for the 'next China', emerging power fantasy.

Nobody's paying attention to the fact that India's balance of payments are in shambles and it running a current account deficit even as the capital inflows slow down.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 19 Oct 2012 02:08

Persecuted Hazaras flee Pakistan; some die trying

QUETTA, Pakistan (AP) — As he knelt in prayer to mark one of Islam's holiest days, Ali Raza Qurban saw a childhood friend and dozens of others die in a suicide attack on their Shiite mosque. Sunni militants were again targeting minority ethnic Hazaras in this city of narrow streets and wide-open hatreds.

Qurban decided it was time to leave. He found an agent who would hook him up with a smuggler in Indonesia and, for $8,000, get him to Australia.

But he never made it to Australia. He disappeared on Dec. 17, 2011, aboard an overcrowded, rickety wooden boat that capsized within hours of leaving the Indonesian shore.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 19 Oct 2012 02:33

This has most certainly been discussed earlier, but the news is so good I am posting it here again

Published on May 7, 2012
By Shamsul Islam
Height of Pakistanis has fallen 4 inches over 50 years, say experts: Tribune

Code: Select all

http://tribune.com.pk/story/375257/height-of-pakistanis-has-fallen-4-inches-over-50-years-say-experts/

In 20 years from now, India would buy all the animal stock of Pakistan in one go, before it can replenish itself. All goats, sheep, cows, camels, horses, donkeys would be bought off. And Pakis would have to do without meant.

In 20 years from now, India would have build enough dams, that we would simply turn off the tap feeding Pakistan, and so no more crops.

In 20 years form now, a disease would affect the chicken stock in Pakistan.

Whatever grows there, cereals, vegetables, fruits, etc. India would buy, everything. The only thing for Pakis to eat would be rat-burgers.

In 40 years time, all Pakis would be dwarfs.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 19 Oct 2012 03:08

Whats with the sudden Ugrarupas of Mullah-shiv and Raj-e-Sha?

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 19 Oct 2012 03:11

RamaY wrote:Whats with the sudden Ugrarupas of Mullah-shiv and Raj-e-Sha?

eh.. thats just moon+mars+rahu in scorpio...

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 19 Oct 2012 03:20

RamaY was here

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Oct 2012 03:38

RajeshA wrote:This has most certainly been discussed earlier, but the news is so good I am posting it here again
Whatever grows there, cereals, vegetables, fruits, etc. India would buy, everything. The only thing for Pakis to eat would be rat-burgers.
In 40 years time, all Pakis would be dwarfs.

Paki will grow and eat this
Paki Brave Mard Hired by Yindin

Beautiful inbred Wimmen like this

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 19 Oct 2012 05:14

RajeshA wrote:This has most certainly been discussed earlier, but the news is so good I am posting it here again

Published on May 7, 2012
By Shamsul Islam
Height of Pakistanis has fallen 4 inches over 50 years, say experts: Tribune
Code: Select all
http://tribune.com.pk/story/375257/height-of-pakistanis-has-fallen-4-inches-over-50-years-say-experts/

See what hiding and crouching to do bum blasts, ducking for cover from drones, the weight of soocide vests, living in caves, crawling through tunnels under electrified fences will do to height?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Oct 2012 06:41

Rangudu wrote:
There is nothing that a global conspiracy can do to thwart India that can come close to what Indians are doing to India.

R man this statement is not too far out of step from the accusation that 26/11 was done by Hindu agents. The latter statement is a two layer burqa that denies Pakistani involvement, which in turn denies a possible involvement of US agencies in using Headley as a double agent.

Until 1990 India was just as irrelevant to the US as it is now, but it was also a Soviet ally that needed to be restricted in many ways. In the mid and late 1970s when my college seniors were desperate to migrate to the US of A, they had the choice of going to Karachi or the Philippines where the relevant exams were held. Pakistan was, and remains, a US ally. And your humorous depiction of Pranabda shows the sort of contempt that Indians are still held in. What has changed now?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 19 Oct 2012 07:05

shiv wrote:
Rangudu wrote:
There is nothing that a global conspiracy can do to thwart India that can come close to what Indians are doing to India.
R man this statement is not too far out of step from the accusation that 26/11 was done by Hindu agents. The latter statement is a two layer burqa that denies Pakistani involvement, which in turn denies a possible involvement of US agencies in using Headley as a double agent.

Until 1990 India was just as irrelevant to the US as it is now, but it was also a Soviet ally that needed to be restricted in many ways. In the mid and late 1970s when my college seniors were desperate to migrate to the US of A, they had the choice of going to Karachi or the Philippines where the relevant exams were held. Pakistan was, and remains, a US ally. And your humorous depiction of Pranabda shows the sort of contempt that Indians are still held in. What has changed now?

DocJi, Namaskaara. I agree with most of what you say, including US TSP love affair. R-man is off base in denying the India (Hindu) containment factor in the US TSP love fest.

That said, I agree with R-man on the damage Indian leaders are doing to India. But that does not mean one should not point out US perfidy.

And this is OT, but in general leadership only reflects the people at large. So just blaming Indian leaders alone is not a satisfying explanation.