Theo_Fidel wrote:This is simply not how 'community' based systems work. As I have said before the only reason for their existence is to defend the turf against all other communities.
I would recommend Micheal Porter's seminal work "Competitive Advantage - Creating and sustaining superior performance" for everyone, especially Sugriva, which will address a lot of the idiocies the JNU ding dongs did historically in India and imposed on this country in the name of planning.
There is a reason why clusters evolve, the reason why they sustain competitive advantage, sustain it and survive. Now "defending" the turf against all other communties/competitors is not done by muscle power like your rice traders, ( that is just some small time thuggery and a classic example of the baneful backward caste dravidian politics), but rather more deeper reasons. There are very sound reasons for that and JNU/Planning Commission ding-dong giri is like trying to fight the law of gravity by trying to levitate by f*rt. Will fail in the long run with disastrous consequnces for everyone. Historically that is why each place in every civilization of consequnce had specialization.. Jewellers, Potters, Weavers, etc. etc.. Every city in the ancient world, from Madurai to Madrid, Delhi to Damascus had those quarters/clusters.
Whether you call it the "artisanal guilds" like in Chi-Chi Medieval Oierope or Caste in India is a matter of choice.
Since most of the 'professions' are already occupied where does the destitute class go. Essentially to the streets.
Obviously what happened in the Indian context (for historical reasons, largely because we missed the industrial revolution due to a backward looking and medieval Mughal and the islamic invasions before that), we had a large modernity deficit, and the change from a fuedal to capitalist order and the changes didn't happen.
Now if the traditional strong European Artisanal guilds (in the low countries and in Germanic countries) evolved into to world beating and formidable "Mittelstands" or the industrial cluster in N. Italy (why are all the Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Maseratis concentrated in just on small mountainous province in N.Italy called Modena? ..it is said that all the Italian sports cars speak not Italian, but Modnese dialect)
In the lack of that kind of productivity leap and the stagnation due to lack of industrial revolution, I guess those caste structures hardened and ossified. It is obivously no one's case that the traditional caste based barriers and discrimination and the basically anti-human and excesses should continue or even if the caste structures in any form at all should continue. The entry into professions should be open, opportunity available to anyone interested in taking it up and of course based solely on merit. Obviously that means, modern schooling, modern industrial training and education , internships and access to the stuff life finance etc.
Theo Fidel wrote:This is why there are still 4 Million night soil 'entrepreneurs' in India. And 2.5 million cremation ghat 'entrepreneurs' in India. There is literally no where else for them to go as decided by rest of society.
The trouble with the "Social Engg" / "Emancipation" rubbish of the Dravidian parties/ Dalit parties/ and even the commie JNU ding dong kind is that they want "Social Emancipation" , but not ECONOMIC emancipation.
Allow technology and modern business practices into it, and allow garbage collection to be mechanized and automated like in any civilized country with mandatory garbage segregation and recycling, you will have "Garbage Entreprenuers" from every caste, vying to get into the business . But no, you want to continue employing 4000000000 abduls, by calling them "Scheduled Caste" , give they "Govt Jobs" and make them collect garbage manually by with some practices little changed since the pyramids (okay, the rickety municpal garbage lorry substitued for the donkey of old, but still the workers, standing on the garbage, shoveling it in, garbage discared by households and business on the streets, with stray dogs and flies and stinking to high heaven). Will it happen. No way in hell. Look at the garbage mess in Bangalore currently.
Been to Yeshwantpur wholsale veggie market or the one in Madiwala, the stinking rotting mass of discards and the slush would make you gag. Why persist with it ? Why not get rid of it? Because it is a politico-corporator- patronage network and they run a protection racket out of it.
The trouble is you cant have the low productivity traditional 'occupation' and claim 'social emancipation' . Cant happen. You need a clean break with it and modernize. You aren't willing to do it, you want the 'advantage' of the traditional stuff (with govt protection via NBJPrie as a bonus), and to square the circle, handle out patronizing rubbish such as "Dignity of Labor" . There is no diginity in being a "Night Soil Collector" of the old inhuman days, but there is incredible dignity in running an automated garbage collection and recycling system. You might not go near a traditional hide skinner/leather worker in the old days, but today probably a lot of "upper caste" people might have shoe and leather apparel factories and businesses and dine in 5 star hotels!
Even the Jews in USA have merged into society and are present in ALL the jobs available.
How many Farmer Jews have you seen in the US ? I have seen none. But even a small town in America probably had a Jewish grocer! Still, how many jews are present in the occupations that were open to the historically (trading, artisanal etc) in Europe vs those barred to them (land related, farming and govt) . The the industrial revolution and forces of history move the economic needle towards them and away from land and govt is a different story.
In a better society workers will reflect the general split of society. Since in my area Parriyans are 80% of the population, 80% of lawyers, Bankers, traders, musicians, artists, teachers, etc should be Parriyans. This is simply not the case and it is kept that way by the celebrated 'caste' entrepreneurs, through violence, intimidation and coercion.
I can agree that the every should have equal opportunity. But equal OUTCOME is a different story. But that Outcome based stuff is the policy of "reservation" at every level (shool, college, jobs etc..) and you can be "reserved" throughout your life. The trouble is that is it will lead to outcomes like our Honble Home Minister. A disastrous failure as Power Minister, who would have been fired in any civilized country, gets promoted and becomes home Minister. Or like our Honble President. A failure TWICE as FM, who brought he country to it's knees both the times, get elevated as President, instead of being sent home! Home Minister says "Congress never forgets the Scheduled Castes , Backwards and Minorities" on his elevation, but has not a single word to say on Competence!
. The TCS and Infy's of the world can't even hold up a candle to the likes of IBM 
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