The momentum of the beards in Pakistan is greater than Imran and most Pakistanis realize.Anujan wrote: *You might think Imran is the political face, but I dont think so. Imran thinks he is a taliban, taliban thinks he is a bull-cutlet.
Anujan, doesn't Islam pervade every aspect of a person's day-to-day life as well as complete governance including jurisprudence, taxation, foreign affairs of the collective, borderless ummah ? Where the Koran may not be sufficiently clear, the Hadith is there to illuminate all aspects of running a country as well as personal affairs. It is surprising that in spite of strong Islamist organizations like JI, JUI etc., the Islamist evolution has taken so long to reach this third stage in Pakistan. The multi-millennia kafir influence has been rather difficult to shake off, I suppose. Or, did the Islamists of Pakistan wait cleverly until a propitious time came along ? Is the Mahdi in sight now who will conquer India and go on to defeat the Jews ?Anujan wrote:In the third stage, the bearded Islamists are modeling themselves after Hezbollah and Hamas. A kind of religious-political-social-military entity, where there is no distinction between political power, social service like hospitals and charity and terror groups who further the aims of the religious and political faction.
In that case, the PA might also be in for a shock because they seem to feel that by bringing in Imran Khan, they can buy peace with the 'bad Talban' and win them over to their side and unleash them once again in Cashmere and beyond. If Imran Khan becomes a cutlet, whom will the PA top-brass turn to ? When will they themselves become cutlet ?*You might think Imran is the political face, but I dont think so. Imran thinks he is a taliban, taliban thinks he is a bull-cutlet.
Brilliant saarsshiv wrote:Soothing and calming (sooth kaami in Tamil) is what the Islamic republic of Pakistan needs.SSridhar wrote:<quote="krithivas">
The only "soothing" (in Tamizh) treatment that TSP deserves is something Unkal is already meting out. </quote>
Krithivas, I have re-arranged the words.
For non-Tamil speakers, sooth = a$$, kaami = show.Please don't mock; if only India stops skimming off electricity from the water flowing into pakistan, this tech would solve all its power problems.Charlie wrote:Do not ROFL.... after Water Car land of the purers bring us this.
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Jinnah was born in an Ismaili Shia family. Ismailis are considered non-Muslims because they attribute divine qualities with Ali bin Abu Talib (RA).
Jinnah’s whole life is full of inconsistencies but he remained strikingly consistent on one point and that was to safeguard the interests of the wicked British Empire.
Looks like some BRFite created shariah4pakistan.com; just 3 weeks old.Jinnah’s opposition to Gandhi was not based on some religious issues rather it was again meant to protect the British interests. Gandhi was basically a staunch Indian nationalist and wanted to expel the British occupiers from his homeland. Jinnah on the other hand started the campaign to keep India as a dominion under the British crown like that of present day Canada, New Zealand and Australia.
Due to his unequivocal pro-British stance during and after the First World War, Jinnah was recognized as a British agent by both Muslim and Hindu leaders of that time. This led him into political isolation and he spent most part of 1920s and 30s in London.
That is not true, AFAIK. In fact, MKG was pro-British during WW I when he wanted Indian soldiers to fight along with the British even going to the extent of helping to recruit for the British India Army. OTOH, Jinnah wanted to leverage the development to bargain for a better position for the Indians etc.a_bharat wrote:Due to his unequivocal pro-British stance during and after the First World War, Jinnah was recognized as a British agent by both Muslim and Hindu leaders of that time. This led him into political isolation and he spent most part of 1920s and 30s in London.
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Looks like some BRFite created shariah4pakistan.com; just 3 weeks old.
He appointed a Hindu, Jogendra Nath Mandal as the first law minister of Pakistan. Was that Hindu ever going to establish Islamic laws?
shiv wrote:
Soothing and calming (sooth kaami in Tamil) is what the Islamic republic of Pakistan needs.
doc that's insane...The Wahhabi/Salafi Taliban are purer than the purest and they are trying to prove it.The former chief of the Jamaat-i-Islami (JI), Pakistan’s largest religio-political party, narrowly escaped a bomb attack on Monday as a female suicide bomber detonated her explosives near his convoy in northwest Mohmand tribal agency. {What a shame if this mard had been killed by a wimmens. Allah be Praised.}
Shamsur Rehman Khan says Qazi Husain Ahmad, the former JI chief, escaped unhurt from the attack.
Khan, who is a government administrator in Mohmand, says the bomber was wearing a burqa and had explosives strapped to her body.
The suicide bomber detonated her explosives after a vehicle with the former JI chief had passed, a government official said.
Another local official, Jamshed Khan, confirmed the incident and said “pieces of female clothes and hair found from the site make us believe that the attacker was a woman”.
Four people, including the bodyguard of the former JI chief, were injured in the attack, officials said. A vehicle was also damaged although Ahmad’s vehicle was not damaged or hit by the force of the blast.
Qazi Hussain was heading to Mian Mandi Ganghad, the main bazaar in Mohmand, to address a congregation of the party.
Mohmand is one of seven districts in Pakistan’s restive semi-autonomous tribal belt, where Pakistani Taliban and al Qaeda-linked militants are said to have carved out strongholds.
No group has claimed responsibility for the attack.
Pakistani Taliban chief Hakimullah Mehsud reportedly criticized the Jamaat-i-Islami and singled out Ahmad in particular in a recent audio message, accusing him of supporting Pakistan’s US-allied rulers.
It is news if woman wears burqa...normally mullahs wear it in TSPSSridhar wrote:Big Breaking News
Khan, who is a government administrator in Mohmand, says the bomber was wearing a burqa.
Anujan wrote:I actually read sections of this lady's dissertation. I have no idea why someone will give a PhD to someone who pulled such a stinking theory out of her musharraf. Basically she argues that if we redefine "Imposition of Sharia" as "Secularization" then JuD and JeI are all just secularizing Pakistan. See? Problem solved!
I am off to write a thesis that if we redefined "defeat" as "victory", Pakistan won in 1971 and if we redefine "Idiot" as "Intelligent", Pakistanis are the most intelligent race on earth.
I need to get hold of this dissertation.Lately, Hafiz Saeed of the Jamatud Dawa (JuD) seems to have emerged as one of the stars of Pakistan’s media, giving interviews to anchors, all set to eat out of his hands. Many in the print media have also joined hands in selling the JuD as if it was always peaceful. On social media, which is infested with youth, who have little sense of history, an artificial distinction is drawn between the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) that brings a militant image of Mumbai to mind, and the JuD, presented as a welfare organisation.
Without getting into the ‘dos and don’ts’ of the claim regarding the JuD being nothing else but a welfare institution, there is a concerted effort to fashion a new image of the militant outfit and make Saeed look like Santa Claus. More importantly, this narrative-change is happening in the West as well
In the media, there are several British and American journalists who insist on focusing on the JuD’s welfare work as if this could be an alternative activity that could become more central to the organisation than jihad.
Saeed’s recent interview by CNN was pretty intriguing... . We are also told that he doesn’t even hide despite the bounty. No probing questions are asked and we don’t even get a sense that the anchor has a grip over the evolution or history of the LeT/JuD discourse. The question was what was being said to a foreign audience, which was the main target of this CNN programme?
Why is the Western media and academia willing to give Saeed a positive spin? We could actually be witnessing a process of détente between the West and the JuD for two obvious reasons. First, the strategic community in the West may consider it important to isolate al Qaeda from its other partners around the world. Since LeT/JuD is considered a potential al Qaeda partner, it would make sense to lure it into a conversation and establish certain rules of the game that may allow the organisation to continue with radicalism, as long as it does not graduate into violence.
Second, this is actually coming to grips with the most important reality that the Muslim world is drifting towards the religious right even in Turkey, Tunisia and many other countries. The West has probably also realised its limitation to change this reality.
Returning to Saeed in Lahore, perhaps, the West will now not have an issue if the JuD chief manages to get the majority behind him and gets into power just like the recent happenings in Egypt. But that is not likely to happen in the foreseeable future because the religious right or political right wing is not Saeed’s monopoly. All prominent parties in Pakistan today are right wing in their operations if not thinking. Resultantly, the voters have a range of choices and not one. Even within the radical-militant-political framework, there are other entities contesting for power like the Sipaha-e-Sahaba Pakistan. In any case, Saeed would have to cover a lot of ground converting people from the Deobandi and Barelvi schools of thought to the Ahl-e-Hadith school of thought.
The head of the JuD may not be electable but he could still help in steering public opinion, especially amongst the radical element. Perhaps, the West thinks it is worth engaging with Saeed as many have engaged with another latent-radical leader like Imran Khan. The search is probably for someone who could neatly organise what is suspected to be a radical population under a banner and helps negotiate with them. The US would certainly not like to be caught on the wrong foot as it was in 1979, at the time of the Iranian revolution. Washington was caught supporting a pro-West Shah when the population was on the opposite side. A better option may be to have partners as Muslim societies drift towards a non-pluralist culture.
A war between the West and the Islamic religious right might not be a logical direction. The religious radical leadership could be as susceptible to negotiation with the West as others, as long as some power adjustment was made. It is just a matter of finding the right radical.
India of course..Perhaps Unkil wants to go back to the glorious nineties when jehadis's were working for him, give a damn to kufr banias.Rony wrote:The rebranding of Hafiz Saeed
Saeed’s recent interview by CNN was pretty intriguing... . We are also told that he doesn’t even hide despite the bounty. No probing questions are asked ....
. So we are right...Morsi is same as LET piglet. Same goes for Erdogan....moderate, my a$$Returning to Saeed in Lahore, perhaps, the West will now not have an issue if the JuD chief manages to get the majority behind him and gets into power just like the recent happenings in Egypt.
and our head is the dowry on offer...MMS beware..The search is probably for someone who could neatly organise what is suspected to be a radical population under a banner and helps negotiate with them.
IT was much heartening to know that both India and Pakistan have relaxed visa restrictions for senior citizens. Still many things are unclear and disturbing. For example:
1. What would be the requirement of Pakistani and Indian Immigration authorities to permit such visitors to cross and enter respectively their customs and check-point boundaries?
What other documents, besides a valid passport, would be required?
How many photographs and of what size and colour would be required?
How much luggage would they be allowed to carry? What amount of foreign exchange would they be permitted to carry?
2. Another important issue is about their spouses. Will they be also allowed to accompany their husbands/wives even if they do not fall under this category?
The common sense rule is that they should also be allowed this facility otherwise who would look after and care for senior citizens.Such and other related questions require immediate response as many elderly people are anxious to see their near and dear ones before they pass away from this world.
It would be of great service by both governments if they put the formats of application forms and requisite information on their websites and give due media coverage.
New strategy by the purest of the pure. Let 'em think they're getting a 69, before they get their 72.SSridhar wrote:Big Breaking News
Former JI Chief Qazi Hussain escapes suicide attackThe former chief of the Jamaat-i-Islami (JI), Pakistan’s largest religio-political party, narrowly escaped a bomb attack on Monday as a female suicide bomber detonated her explosives near his convoy.....
Baikul wrote:New strategy by the purest of the pure. Let 'em think they're getting a 69, before they get their 72.
Suppiah, you are right about our head. The incumbent Indian rulers are falling for the trade-cum-bonhomie taqiyya by the Islamists. Even there, they are pretty careful in just dangling the bone without really offering it for they are afraid that once the dog gets the bone it keeps it. Hence the temptation on MFN and then delays and refusal to implement the same. There are many similar examples.Suppiah wrote:. So we are right...Morsi is same as LET piglet.Returning to Saeed in Lahore, perhaps, the West will now not have an issue if the JuD chief manages to get the majority behind him and gets into power just like the recent happenings in Egypt.
and our head is the dowry on offer...MMS beware..The search is probably for someone who could neatly organise what is suspected to be a radical population under a banner and helps negotiate with them.
The highlighted portion simply cannot be the reason. Pakistan could not have been expected to punish the 26/11 terrorists within 8 days (between November 12 when Shinde met Malik and agreed to his visit and today) when it has been dragging its feet for over 3 years now. Again, the fourth anniversary of 26/11 has not suddenly loomed over the horizon.Though senior Ministry of Home Affairs officials said the busy schedule of Union Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde, who is also the Leader of the House in Lok Sabha, ahead of Parliament’s winter session was the main reason behind the decision, sources in the government pointed out that Pakistan’s reluctance to punish those responsible for the Mumbai terror attacks was behind this veiled snub. Significantly, the proposed visit would have been close to the fourth anniversary of the 26/11 attack. As a result, India was not keen on hosting Mr. Malik as it could have given the Opposition more ammunition to target the Congress-led UPA government, the sources said.
In India to address a keynote session of the HT Leadership Summit, Pakistan’s former President Pervez Musharraf was all sweetness and sunshine. Peace between their two countries, said the man who had waged war in Kargil in 1999 as part of a ‘salami slice’ tactic, stood a fair chance, but for it to be consummated, India should be “big-hearted” towards Pakistan. Being the bigger of the two countries, it is India that should be more “accommodating”, he added.
But the carefully cultivated veneer of a peacemaker General slipped soon enough. At the summit, and in media interviews on the sidelines, Musharraf was rather less considerate towards Indian sensibilities, arguing that he had no regrets about launching the Kargil war, and that if anything India shared the blame for the strained relations with Pakistan.
There is something supremely perverse about a former President of Pakistan, who cannot even step foot in his own country without facing prosecution, being given a visa to enter India, against which he waged war, in order for chatterati in Delhi to get an earful of his slander of India and applaud his propagandist and untruthful narrative of history.
The US negotiates only when it feels it is cornered. Never when it feels strong. Just like shitland (and unlike India where we withdraw from positions of strength and proudly occupy positions of weakness.)Gagan wrote:Is it true that the CIA / US has been negotiating with Hafiz Saeed in the past?
There are interviews where there are references to this.
Anyways who in Pakistan is not sold out hain ji?
Classic case of BDSM, a malaise that afflicts people who are well off, and the power-fool, and the WKK juntasum wrote:Same Q as many on BRF had:
Pay to get abused: Indian elite’s bizarre love of Musharraf
Methinks EU is using every excuse at hand to not grant the Pakis any trade concessions, while claiming to do so.The execution of soldier Muhammad Hussain has risked Pakistan’s hard-earned trading leverages with the European Union (EU) by breaking the four-year moratorium on death penalty which served as a condition for duty-free access to EU markets.
As a fatal coincidence, the penalty overlapped the coming into force of EU’s trade concessions which, after years of tedious dialogue, became operational on November 16. Facilitated trade required Pakistan to meet some human rights benchmarks, including the curtailment of the death penalty.
"There will be a fatwa issued regarding Malala Yousufzai taking into account the full story of her injury including her public statements in support of the occupying U.S. army in the region and mocking of key symbols of Islam such as hijab and jihad," said Abu Baraa, a senior member of Shariah4Pakistan.
The group, whose website features a blog below a photograph of Yousufzai in a hospital bed titled "Don't Believe The Crocodile Tears for Malala Yousufzai", is associated with some of Britain's most hardline Islamists.
Anjem Choudary, a prominent radical cleric in Britain, said the fatwa could be issued on November 30 at Lal Masjid, one of Pakistan's most notorious mosques, where a 2007 army raid crushed a Taliban-style movement controlling the compound.
Gagan wrote: Something was cooking for sure
My Inside Source wrote: Looks like our partners/competitors are well aware that INC will not come to power in 2014.
A very high chance that NM becoming the PM.
Hence PRC, UK and US' approaching NM to understand what to expect.
The expectation is that NM will ask for his pound of flesh, especially in the JK (the whole not the part that we own).
Hence the readjustment from all players
- The pressure on MMS to solve Siachen/Sir-Creek
- Pressure on LET types to join acceptable socio-political realm (In telugu we ask Naxal to join "Jana Jeevana Sravanti".
- Possible readjustment from PRC side.
Interesting times ahead. Possibilities are endless
Extremism is a 'South Asia' problem. Pakistan should not be singled out!Arun_J wrote:Watched the National Geographic's - Seal Team Six last night and was really disappointed to see that the all the Paki parts were shot in Maharashtra with Indian Sarees and Hindi shop signs all too visible. Director did not even make an attempt to use urdu and the Indian actors were saying "Shanti Rakhiye" in Abbottabad when the raid was on. wtf??
Also, in the movie it shows that Pukis scrambled their F-16s and were told to return to base by Amerikhan's planes. I thought they didn't know till the raid was over. Double wtf??
Ombaba is absolutely right. Pakistan is not a country, it is just a geographical location where fanatic barbarians and terrorists assemble to train, plot and murder kufrs of all shades includes shades of lighter green.Dilbu wrote: Unless it is a rent boy state like Pakistan who will sell anything including its citizens if the right price is quoted in petro dollars.
RamaY, aapke insider ke muh mein ghee shakhhar. fingers crossed...RamaY wrote:My Inside Source wrote: A very high chance that NM becoming the PM.
