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Postby kmc_chacko » 14 Oct 2012 22:54

^^ :D :D

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Postby SaiK » 15 Oct 2012 00:03

we will not have marine version.

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Postby nakul » 15 Oct 2012 00:06

There have been multiple reports that IN likes the Rafale-M. Is there any reason why STOBAR aircrafts(Mig 29K & NLCA) cannot be converted to CATOBAR till 5th gen fighters arrive?

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Postby Shrinivasan » 15 Oct 2012 09:50

nakul wrote:There have been multiple reports that IN likes the Rafale-M. Is there any reason why STOBAR aircrafts(Mig 29K & NLCA) cannot be converted to CATOBAR till 5th gen fighters arrive?

why do we need a CATOBAR aircraft when we don't have a CV with Cat? both Viks are Stobar vessels.

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Postby alexis » 15 Oct 2012 12:15

STOBAR to CATOBAR conversion is possible but would be expensive

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Postby kelesis » 15 Oct 2012 16:58

According to Dassault, the Rafale M can be used on a STOBAR aircraft carrier, without modification.

http://rafalenews.blogspot.fr/2012/06/rafale-stobar-compatible.html

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Postby nakul » 15 Oct 2012 17:03

India has ordered 45 Mig 29Ks for INS Vikramaditya & INS Vikrant. They will be supplemented by N LCAs. The question is for India's CATOBAR carrier, INS Vishal. Considering that it could take a decade for it to be inducted in the IN, we are hoping it will carry 5th gen aircrafts on board. In the unlikely case that these fighters are not available in the said timeframe, it might be more prudent to use existing aircraft (STOBAR converted to CATOBAR) instead of an additional 4th gen fighter as an interim solution, till 5th gen fighters arrive. I hope Russians / Indians are working on naval PAK FA / FGFA.

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Postby Christopher Sidor » 15 Oct 2012 21:32

Another little known aspect of the failure of the EADS-BEA merger bears mentioning. This merger became inevitable once EFT Consortium lost out to Rafale. In fact the British papers, especially the FT and Telegraph, have repeatedly said this.

On my way back from UK this weekend one of the papers was running a story about this failed merger. I will try to get a link to that story, as it is noteworthy. The paper said that the UK and France have agreed to collaborate on the unnamed next-generation fighter aircraft. i.e. most possibly a 6th generation fighter-UAV. According to the paper what this means is that Germany is out in cold.

Little did our defense establishment know that their decision to reject EFT would kick of a chain reaction half way across the planet. Ironic isnt it? After 60 years of independence who can say, where is the tail, where is the dog and who wags whom.

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Postby kelesis » 15 Oct 2012 22:06

Christopher Sidor, you are 100% right. With the loss of MMRCA, the brits were furious and they accused Germany. It is right that Germany is less concern by defense than UK or France and they often delayed important developments of the Typhoon. Dassault and BAE know very well each other, and British and French records of industrials cooperations are quite good. The collaboration on 6th generation was supposed to be based on the Taranis project and Dassault said something about the successor of Typhoon and Rafale. But now... With political changes in France, the failed EADS/BAE merger, the crisis, the growing isolation of Britain in Europe... everything is still possible.

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Postby kelesis » 15 Oct 2012 22:25

Tata Consulting Engineers and Dassault Systèmes announce partnership to bring innovative industry solution experiences to the market

Monday, October 15, 2012

http://indiaeducationdiary.in/Shownews.asp?newsid=16079

Report by India Education bureau, Mumbai: Dassault Systèmes, the 3DEXPERIENCE company, world leader in 3D design software, 3D digital mock-up and product life cycle management solutions, and Tata Consulting Engineers (TCE) today jointly announced a strategic partnership designed to leverage each company’s core capabilities to deliver industry solution experiences to customers in key energy, process, utilities and construction sectors, where TCE is already well-established. TCE is a leading consulting engineering company and a subsidiary of Tata Sons, and has been providing engineering consultancy services for the past 50 years.

TCE will leverage Dassault Systèmes’ 3DEXPERIENCE industry solutions to bring business value through combined business development and engineering consultancy services to customers in power (hydro and thermal, transmission and distribution), nuclear, construction, mining and minerals, infrastructure (water and urban development, buildings and architecture, ports and transportation), steel and metals, chemical (oil and gas) and industrial (automotive, cement, heavy engineering, special projects) sectors. The very first combined effort will be to launch three solutions for energy, process and construction sectors: optimised plant construction, 3D digital plant, plant operation and safe plant.

The TCE-Dassault Systèmes association also ensures the establishment of a dedicated Centre of Excellence for delivering 3DEXPERIENCE solutions to customers in key industry segments.

“Our technical prowess and sheer diversity of operations in key industry segments holds us in good stead. The synergy of TCE and Dassault Systèmes will help transform our service delivery model, driving customer delight through value creation, taking us further up in the international engineering consulting business,” said JP Haran, managing director, TCE. “The synergy between TCE and Dassault Systèmes is a perfect amalgam of both companies’ core strengths and we are sure that this will be a great differentiator for the two businesses.”

Commenting on the partnership, Monica Menghini, executive vice-president, industry, Dassault Systèmes, said, “The joint team from Dassault Systèmes and TCE will create unsurpassed business value to customers in different industry sectors. This strategic partnership also strives to focus on key value drivers that go beyond any solution currently available, including a new services and business consulting model.”

Dr Chandan Chowdhury, managing director, India, Dassault Systèmes, added, “This partnership will transform the Indian industry through the innovative application of industry solution experiences. In the current economic environment, where quantum improvement in productivity has become the key to competitiveness, this value creation partnership certainly deserves special importance.”

The partnership will first support Dassault Systèmes’ game-changing 3DEXPERIENCE solutions in energy and TCE’s consulting expertise to provide:

Simulation of plant behavior in virtual world to analyse efficiency and safety at optimum cost and anticipate the risk associated with the plant.
Multi-disciplinary plant 3D plan for integrated digital plant knowledge.
Virtual operator training to ensure leaner operation and maintenance.
Engineering analysis for reliable and robust designs.
Simulation of construction / refurbishment / maintenance in safe virtual world to execute it right the first time in real world.
Programme management for optimising EPC project execution collaboratively across the value chain

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Postby member_22516 » 17 Oct 2012 16:54

The RAFALE Omnirole Fighter: Pushing Forward on New Air-to-Air Capabilities - 15/10/2012
http://www.dassault-aviation.com/fr/avi ... 8328870e9f
In October 2012, the RAFALE omnirole fighter reached two major milestones: the first delivery of a production aircraft equipped with the first production RBE2 AESA radar, and the initial successful testing of the new-generation, very long-range, METEOR air-to-air missile.
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Pushing forward on new air-to-air capabilities, the Rafale B301, operating from Cazaux DGA Flight Test Center in southwestern France, successfully completed, on October 4 then on October 10, two successful tests of the beyond visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) Meteor.

On December 22, 2010, the French defense procurement agency (DGA: Direction Générale de l’Armement) ordered 200 Meteor missiles. A week after, the contract for integration of the Meteor missile to the Rafale system was awarded to the industry.
This advanced, ramjet-powered, missile, made by MBDA, is intended for air defense missions. It will intercept targets at very long range, and it will be a perfect complement to the MICA missile, which is currently used at shorter ranges for air-to-air interception, dogfight and self-defense.
On October 2, 2012, the first production Rafale F3 (the single-seater C137), equipped with the first production Thales RBE2 AESA 1 radar, was delivered to the French DGA, paving the way for the introduction into operational service of the first European combat aircraft fully exploiting the cutting edge AESA radar technology.
Extended range capabilities offered to the Rafale by the RBE2 AESA radar (among a number of other key operational benefits) allow the full use of the latest generation of long-range air-to-air missiles such as the Meteor.
The Rafale is already an extremely effective new-generation, combat proven (Afghanistan, Libya), omnirole tactical fighter, but development is continuing apace to exploit more and more of the aircraft’s tremendous capabilities, and to seamlessly add new ones. As a result, the Rafale looks set to become even better in the near future.
1: AESA: Active Electronically-Scanned Array.

BACKGROUND NOTES
ABOUT THE RAFALE OMNIROLE FIGHTER

1. French operational requirements have been set at 286 Rafales. The Air Force will receive 228 aircraft (in two versions: the single-seater Rafale C and the two-seater Rafale B), while the Navy will operate 58 Rafales M (single-seater).
2. To date, 180 production aircraft have been ordered for both services. Under current plans, production of the aircraft is to continue through 2025.
3. By October 15, 2012, 111 production aircraft have been delivered to the warfighters (36 Rafales M for the French Navy; 37 Rafales C and 38 Rafales B for the French Air Force).
4. A decade before the still-to-come Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, Rafale is the first aircraft to have been designed, from the outset, to take off and land both from land bases and from aircraft carriers. The Rafale will ultimately replace all the current types of legacy fighter aircraft in the inventory of the French Air Force and the French Navy.
5. Missions of the Rafale omnirole fighter:
- air defence and air superiority;
- close air support;
- engagement of surface targets (with laser-guided bombs, all-weather stand-off precision weapons, or cruise missiles); SEAD/DEAD capabilities;
- anti-ship attack;
- nuclear strike;
- real time tactical and strategic reconnaissance (ground and naval targets);
- in-flight refuelling (“buddy-buddy” tanker capability for the French Navy Rafale M).

ABOUT THE METEOR MISSILE

1. The Meteor missile is being developed by MBDA to meet the requirement of six European nations (France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Sweden and United Kingdom).
2. Increasing proliferation of state-of-the-art air-to-air threats is a critical challenge for modern air forces, answered by Meteor.
3. The BVRAAM Meteor and its benefits · A fast and highly manoeuvrable, beyond visual-range, air-to-air weapon.
· The largest No-Escape Zone (NEZ) of any air-to-air weapon resulting in a long stand-off range and high kill probability to ensure air superiority and crew survivability.
· A guidance that is provided by an active radar seeker benefiting from enhanced technologies drawn from MBDA ASTER and MICA missile programs.
· The capability of engaging air targets autonomously by day and night, in all weather and in severe electronic warfare environments.
· A missile equipped with both a proximity and impact fuse to ensure total target destruction in all circumstances.

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Postby nash » 17 Oct 2012 17:26

what is the present cost of meteor..?

is there any provision of having meteor in weapon package of rafale, and how much..?

I would say 200 of them will be good initial order.

But if that happen then it would be mix of BVRAAM in IAF:R-77,Mica,Meteor and Astra.

So logistic angle required to cover if we go for this missile.

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Postby Cosmo_R » 17 Oct 2012 17:34

Jaybhatt wrote:DASSAULT LAUGHING AFTER THE EADS - BAE MERGER COLLAPSES

YET THEIR INDIAN PUBLIC RELATIONS STRATEGY IS AMAZINGLY CLUMSY AND INSENSITIVE
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After the announcement of the breakdown of the merger discussions between EADS and BAE, the Dassault executives must be uncorking the champagne bottles tonight in the cellars of their corporate office in Paris.

However, even as they celebrate the good news, the top honchos of Dassault must do some introspection on how they are conducting their PR in India.

On the 8th October, the IAF celebrated its 80th anniversary with a grand parade and fly-past. On this occasion, the Indian subsidiary of Dassault released a massive advertising campaign in the major national English dailies, and also in the motley group of glossy defence and "strategic affairs" magazines.

The good point about the ad. - a beautiful photograph of the Rafale. Most impressive.

Nevertheless, the entire effort was neutralised by the appalling quality of the text that accompanied the photograph.

Some examples :

"Congratulations to one of the world's widely respected air force ......."

"And we have consistently done so for the past 6 decades using cutting edge technology and
class of service"

"Through our dedication and support we've helped secure the heritage of billions in India with
peaceful grounds and safer skies".

The copywriter is either a Frenchman / Frenchwoman with a very limited knowledge of the language of their rivals across the Channel. Or it is a desi babu, straight out of a college in Muzaffarpur. In either case, the person was having a bad hair day.

Charles Edelstenne and his senior team in 9 Rond-Point des Champs-Elysées Marcel Dassault should realise that this type of
PR will have won them few admirers either in the IAF or among the nation's aviation afficionados.

Maladroit functioning it was - and this a word common to both English (which is also an Indian language) and French.


Pas seulement 'maladroit' mais aussi 'gauche' :)

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Postby Jaybhatt » 27 Oct 2012 21:22

The Rafales of the Normandie-Niemen Squadron of the French Air Force Visit Russia
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There is a lot of history here. During World War 2, some Free French pilots who had managed to escape from occupied France were welcomed to the Soviet Union and were grouped together in an all-French squadron that was called the Normandie - Niemen (to signify the links between France and the Soviet Union). The squadron performed magnificently and was given numerous awards and honours both by the Soviets as well as the Free French government.

After the war, the squadron, after its return to France, retained its old name and went on to win many laurels. It was invited to Russia for the 100th anniversary of the Russian Air Force in August 2012. The Rafales put on a great display and won numerous admirers in Russia.


http://www.gouvernement.fr/gouvernement ... -en-russie

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Postby Sancho » 15 Nov 2012 03:21

Samtel Thales Avionics JV is officially incorporated

09 February 2011


http://www.thalesgroup.com/Press_Releases/Markets/Aerospace/2011/20110209_-_Samtel_Thales_Avionics_JV_is_officially_incorporated/


Hi, it's been a while since this JV was announced, but since then not much happened. The website is still not online and the only news about joint developments, or possible contribution to the Rafale deal came from this article:

http://www.samteldisplays.com/cache/Bus ... an2012.pdf

Does somebody heared anything new about it?

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Postby Christopher Sidor » 18 Nov 2012 13:07

With J-31 being unveiled by PRC, it would be a fair assumption to say that beyond this decade, i.e. post 2020, we should see J-31 in service with PLAAF/PLAN and PakiAF. How would Rafale's ability stack up against J-31? Would it be able to give our opponents capabilities which exceed Rafale? And significantly how relevant would Rafale be in the 3rd decade of this century?

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Postby srai » 19 Nov 2012 22:22

Christopher Sidor wrote:With J-31 being unveiled by PRC, it would be a fair assumption to say that beyond this decade, i.e. post 2020, we should see J-31 in service with PLAAF/PLAN and PakiAF. How would Rafale's ability stack up against J-31? Would it be able to give our opponents capabilities which exceed Rafale? And significantly how relevant would Rafale be in the 3rd decade of this century?


Apart from the "stealth" feature, there is a blurring of line between what constitutes a 5th-Gen versus 4th+++-Gen combat aircraft. In terms of radar, avionics, ECM, sensors, MMI, engine and weapons technologies and their integration, Rafale will be superior. By the time J-31 comes online 2020 or after, Rafale (in French AF) will be undergoing a major mid-life upgrade to keep the technologies up-to-date in the 20s. IAF's Rafale will probably be undergoing updates sometime around 2030 or after. In the 30s, they won't be the top-tier but still be very formidable just like the Mirage-2000 have been and will continue to be for another decade after its updates.
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Postby Sancho » 20 Nov 2012 00:28

Sancho wrote:
Hi, it's been a while since this JV was announced, but since then not much happened. The website is still not online and the only news about joint developments, or possible contribution to the Rafale deal came from this article:

http://www.samteldisplays.com/cache/Bus ... an2012.pdf

Does somebody heared anything new about it?



Have to quote myself here, are there really no infos about it?

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Postby Vipul » 29 Nov 2012 08:22

French Dassault opens Indian subsidiary for Rafale deal.

After bagging the multi-billion dollar contract for supplying 126 Rafale fighter aircraft to IAF, French Dassault Systems has opened an Indian subsidiary company here.

The company named Dassault Aircraft Services India Private Limited (DASIPL) was set up recently and it is 100 per cent owned by its French parent company, officials said here.The new company is headed by a French national Richard Lavaud, who has worked in India earlier with defence firms and will work towards finalising the deal with India, they said.

Earlier this year, Dassault Rafale had emerged as the lowest bidder in the IAF tender for supplying 126 combat aircraft edging out its European rival Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft in terms of prices.The contract has been offered to Dassault and it is negotiating the terms and conditions and the final price of the aircraft with the Indian Defence Ministry officials.

Dassault has also entered into an agreement with Reliance Industries Limited (RIL) for partnering in defence and homeland security sectors in the country.
There was a possibility of the two companies working together in the combat aircraft deal here.

After finalising the deal, Dassault will have to reinvest 50 per cent of the contract’s worth back into the Indian defence sector.Mukesh Ambani-headed RIL has made several efforts in the past to position itself in the defence, internal security and aerospace solutions sectors

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Postby SaiK » 01 Dec 2012 04:01

But the latest CAG report tabled in Parliament on Thursday, after examining 16 offset contracts worth Rs 18,445 crore, said the policy was floundering to strengthen self-reliance in defence preparedness.

For one, the policy is ambiguous, with the audit watchdog also questioning waivers given to foreign arms companies from fulfilling their offset obligations. For another, the overall monitoring mechanism for directing offset activity towards desired objectives remains "ineffective'' and "only a paper exercise''.

"MoD needs to ensure clarity in the offset provisions so as to leave little room for ambiguity in their interpretation. The monitoring mechanism also needs to be reviewed to ensure effective implementation,'' the CAG report said.

MoD, however, has dragged its feet in implementing recommendations, first submitted by the Rama Rao Committee in 2008, to overhaul DRDO and its network of over 50 labs to ensure that cutting-edge weapon systems can be delivered in time to armed forces.

The CAG report also pointed out that DRDO was splitting sanctions for its projects to avoid seeking approvals from the requisite financial authorities. "The audit findings underscore that efforts of MoD to bring in transparency and objectivity in the functioning of its departments remain unachieved as of now,'' CAG said.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=19788


all ambiguity will be taken as advantage points by the seller. i am sure the french will!

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Postby Vishnu » 02 Dec 2012 11:21

Hi ... For those who missed the first episode of my Bigger, Higher, Faster documentary on the Rafale .. there is a repeat tonight at 10 pm. Ep 2 is scheduled for Saturday 8th - 7:30 pm and Sunday 9th - 8:30 am and 10 pm.

You can also see Ep 1 which aired yesterday for the first time here:

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/bigger ... ale/256732

Again ... its just nice video .. There is no information here which has not been discussed on BR but its still nice to hear the Rafale Chief Test pilot speak ... Based on the soundbyte carried here - I am not sure if the RBE-2 AESA can do a simultaneous track of air and ground targets at the moment - but that may be something in the works.

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Postby member_23694 » 02 Dec 2012 12:52

Hi Vishnu,

Since u have flown on most of the fighter which were part of the MMRCA, could u please let us know after having flown the Rafale ,
what was the most of standout feature of Rafale that could have impressed the IAF and what was the thing that u may not have
liked in Rafale and was better in some of the other fighter


General query : how much has the 9.5 tonne load carrying capacity of Rafale considered during decision making. Is any fighter every loaded to its full capacity during an attack mission or part of it will always be used for external fuel tanks for long range mission. In that case how safe such missions be against countries with good air defence

TIA

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Postby Chinmayanand » 02 Dec 2012 14:05

Just saw the first episode of Rafale done by Vishnu. It's so well done. Now, waiting for the second one.

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Postby Vishnu » 02 Dec 2012 19:41

Correction - Repeat of Episode 1 at 11 pm tonight. Tx

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Postby SaiK » 02 Dec 2012 21:58

Image
get confused which variant are we getting? model# etc..? especially, the ToT on engine to what levels.

definitely nothing beats typhoon ratios here.

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Postby srai » 03 Dec 2012 05:52

^^^

Dassault has not finalised the F4 standards. But there have been new developments, such as AESA, post F3 standards. So the IAF version would be F3+ at the minimum with some customizations and indigenous content. At this point I doubt the IAF would go for higher thrust engine since that would mean additional funding for R&D and risks, such as delays, associated with it. F3 standard with AESA is already a fully multi-role aircraft with a wide variety of munitions integrated and is already operational. Current thrust seems adequate for majority of tasks except for some "super" flight regimes.

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Postby Vishal Jolapara » 05 Dec 2012 02:37

Dassault 'optimistic' on Rafale talks with India

PARIS | Wed Dec 5, 2012 2:01am IST

(Reuters) - Talks between French plane-maker Dassault Aviation (AVMD.PA) and India over a $15 billion Rafale fighter contract are continuing, Dassault's chief executive said, adding he was "relatively optimistic".

India selected the Rafale to enter exclusive negotiations for a potential 126-plane order in late January, beating the competing Eurofighter Typhoon (EAD.PA) (SIFI.MI) (BAES.L) and lifting hopes for a sale that would boost French pride and restore the luster of its aviation industry.

"We are deep in talks at the moment. It's a complicated country Image , the negotiations are tough, but there is a desire to wrap up on both sides," CEO Charles Edelstenne told a parliamentary hearing on Tuesday.

Image "I'm relatively optimistic." Image

Edelstenne also said that growing public speculation over a change at the top for subsidiary Thales (TCFP.PA) - which he described as an "eventual change in governance" - was having an impact on talks with clients and making them more difficult.

(Reporting by Cyril Altmeyer; Editing by Tim Dobbyn)

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Postby RoyG » 05 Dec 2012 02:41

Given the CAG report regarding offsets, I'm really not that optimistic about technology absorption.

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Postby member_20067 » 05 Dec 2012 12:40

Dassault 'optimistic' on Rafale talks with India


Talks between French plane-maker Dassault Aviation (AVMD.PA) and India over a $15 billion Rafale fighter contract are continuing, Dassault's chief executive said, adding he was "relatively optimistic".

India selected the Rafale to enter exclusive negotiations for a potential 126-plane order in late January, beating the competing Eurofighter Typhoon (EAD.PA) (SIFI.MI) (BAES.L) and lifting hopes for a sale that would boost French pride and restore the luster of its aviation industry.

"We are deep in talks at the moment. It's a complicated country, the negotiations are tough, but there is a desire to wrap up on both sides," CEO Charles Edelstenne told a parliamentary hearing on Tuesday.

"I'm relatively optimistic."

Edelstenne also said that growing public speculation over a change at the top for subsidiary Thales (TCFP.PA) - which he described as an "eventual change in governance" - was having an impact on talks with clients and making them more difficult.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/12/0 ... BU20121204

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Postby Vishnu » 08 Dec 2012 21:37

Part two of my documentary on flying the Rafale. Enjoy ... Vishnu

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/bigger ... ale/257581

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Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

Postby vina » 09 Dec 2012 09:48

Vishnu has done a very good job with the Rafale series. I recorded both the episodes on my TataSky set top box and watched it this morning (no way I could have watched them live with the two brats at home) in peace and quiet.

The Rafale is one heck of an impressive aircraft and the IAF have made a great choice. It's much further along in it's development as a multirole fighter than the Typhoon and its strike capabilities seem superb.
Just loved that terrain following flying over the mountains and sea , in a hard turn , just 100 ft above the surface. I think in the strike role it will be un paralleled, not that it will be a slouch in the A2A role. The pilot talking about he AESA radar's capabilities of having multiple beams, one for ground, others scanning the skies above for A2A kind of thing will be simply outstanding.. Not like a Jaguar whose only protection against an A2A threat will be passive like Chaff/Flare, a Rafale, on a terrain following strike mode can still launch a radar guided mica at a BVR a2A threat, while still going ahead with launching the A2G ordnance.

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Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

Postby Singha » 09 Dec 2012 10:05

the darin3 jaguars with derby and el2032 radar will do that too - albeit radar aperture is smaller and jags are not as nimble and fast as rafales..and they lack the OSF and 100ft TFR.

I am expecting a good number of opportunistic a2a kills by darin3 jags in the next scrap, esp on helicopters, unwary fighters, transports and uavs they find in the course of a business day. it just radiates a far higher threat to have dozens of jags wandering around with a good radar and bvr missiles.

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Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

Postby vasu raya » 09 Dec 2012 10:23

^^^

why not the 100ft TFR for Jaguars? and what about the Tejas which has the same radar and perhaps is more responsive?

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Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

Postby member_23694 » 09 Dec 2012 10:35

Rafale has been the best news for IAF in recent year icing in the cake would be having 3-4 Nirbhay missile fitted to a Rafale (seems feasible since the Storm Shadow is carried by Rafale) taking care of most of the stand off strike requirement :D

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Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

Postby Singha » 09 Dec 2012 12:57

The jaguar nose is smaller than tejas..its not a cone but more like a cuboid. The antenna diameter and hence the range of the same radar is likely to be smaller than tejas.

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Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

Postby SaiK » 10 Dec 2012 22:10

so, what is the TRN in LCA then?

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Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

Postby indranilroy » 10 Dec 2012 22:35

Singha wrote:The jaguar nose is smaller than tejas..its not a cone but more like a cuboid. The antenna diameter and hence the range of the same radar is likely to be smaller than tejas.


With Darin 3, it is cone :-)

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Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

Postby Kersi D » 11 Dec 2012 16:21

The radar cone on Jaguar IM "looks" quite big, bigger than of a MiG 21.

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Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

Postby member_20067 » 12 Dec 2012 09:34

Dassault Aviation seeks clarity on role of HAL in supply of Rafale fighters to Air Force

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... ttarget=no

After bagging the multi-billion dollar deal for supplying 126 Rafale fighter aircraft to the IAF, French firm Dassault Aviation has asked the defence ministry to define the role of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited in the project.
If the contract is finalised, the first 18 aircraft would be supplied by Dassault directly to the Indian Air Force and the remaining 108 would be licence-produced at HAL facilities in Bangalore.
The French Dassault has asked the ministry to define the role of the premier Indian aerospace company in the final delivery of the 108 aircraft to be produced in India, industry sources told here.
As per the IAF tender issue for the project, the primary role for integration and supply of these aircraft would be of the HAL, which is successfully working on several important fighter aircraft projects such as the Su-30MKI project.
The French company has told the ministry that if it is given the overall responsibility for the project, it should be given the freedom to decide on the proportion of work to be done by the HAL and private companies in the programme, they said.
In that case, the firm would determine the role of the defence and security wing of a new Indian defence company in the project and a major share of work would be given to it, they said.
Soon after Dassault was declared as the lowest bidder for the MMRCA (Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft) deal pipping EAD's Eurofighter, it signed an MoU with a Reliance Industries Limited company for working together in the security sector. It is currently negotiating the deal with the defence ministry and the IAF.
For completing the Indian project, Dassault has also opened an Indian subsidiary company here. The company named Dassault Aircraft Services India Private Limited (DASIPL) was set up recently and it is 100 per cent owned by its French parent company, they said.

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Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

Postby member_23694 » 15 Dec 2012 10:26

Manufacturing Details Stall Franco-Indian MMCRA Negotiations

http://idrw.org/?p=16604#more-16604

hmm....is the teaming up of Reliance with Dassault complicating the matters ?
Signing of contract will probably get tougher as 2013 progresses because of 2014 elections
and Dassault should take note of it after all this is there only and biggest export order available to them.


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