Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 02 Dec 2012 14:49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs4eVuFfqUs

Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of one of Hamas' founders, gives his current perspective

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 02 Dec 2012 19:58

Al alien historical perspective on Islam :

1,034 - 1,124 AD --
The entire Arab world was enslaved by one man: Hasan ibn-al-Sabbah 182 (Footnote) , the Old Man of the Mountain. He established the Hashshashin who operated a part of Mohammedanism which controlled by terror and fear much of India, Asia Minor and most of the Mediterranean Basin. They became a priesthood that used an extremely effective mind-control mechanism and extortion tool that enabled the "Assassins" to control the civilized world
for several hundred years. Their method was simple.

Young men were kidnapped and knocked unconscious with hashish. They were taken to a garden filled with beautiful black-eyed houris in a harem decorated with rivers of milk and honey. The young men were told that they were in paradise. They were promised they could return and live there forever if they sacrificed themselves as an assassin of whomever they were commanded to kill. The men were knocked out again, and shoved out into the world to carry out the assassination mission.

Meanwhile, the Old Man of the Mountain sent a messenger to the caliph or, whatever wealthy ruler from whom they demanded payment, demanding camel-loads of gold, spices,incense or other valuables. If payment did not arrive on time, the assassin would be sent to kill the offending party. There was virtually no defense against the unknown assailant who wanted nothing more than to carry out his mission, be killed and return to "heaven".
This is a very crude example of how simple and effective a brainwashing and mind-control operation can be when it is used skillfully, and forcefully. It is a small scale demonstration of how the amnesia mind-control operation is used against the entire IS-BE population of Earth by the "Old Empire".

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 03 Dec 2012 04:40

JE Menon wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs4eVuFfqUs

Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of one of Hamas' founders, gives his current perspective

This guy is precious.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 03 Dec 2012 05:17

JE Menon wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs4eVuFfqUs

Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of one of Hamas' founders, gives his current perspective

Left Islam and became an evangelical christian and he talks about shadows on the wall. He traded one bigot god for another lol.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 03 Dec 2012 05:48

^^ indeed the clarity of thought and the choice of words were stunning. Kudos on embarking and passing thru the third of his journey - that was a much easier third ; a rather difficult two third's journey still remaining. Once thru (hopefully in this life), he will become qualified desi and then he will know what true freedom means

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 03 Dec 2012 05:49

RoyG wrote:
JE Menon wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs4eVuFfqUs

Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of one of Hamas' founders, gives his current perspective
Left Islam and became an evangelical christian and he talks about shadows on the wall. He traded one bigot god for another lol.

That's quite simplistic, the way you put it. Its a step in the right direction no doubt. He derided sectarianism, and he has embraced all of Western civilization which considers itself a combination of old Greco-Roman heritage, Christianity and post-medieval "enlightenment". So that's two steps in the right direction, IMHO.

The figure of Christ seems to have always allowed Moslems a way out of the suffocation of Islamist dogmatism. Some converted out, while others use Christ as a doorway to some kinds of "sufism".

Imaan mujhe roke hai jo kheenche hai mujhe kufr
Ka'aba mere peeche hai, kaleesa mere aage

"My ideological faith is holding me back, and unbelief is pulling me forward,
The Ka'aba is behind me, the church in front." -- Mirza Ghalib

Whatever the case may be, we Indics would do well to consider the fact that Jesus Christ and most of his teachings in the New Testament are far closer to Upanishadic thought, and are starkly different from what came before and what went after in the train of Middle-Eastern religion.

Therefore the figure of Christ can be considered a "strategic pass", and its utility or problem value depends on which context it is placed in, and the relative position of each group to it.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 03 Dec 2012 05:57

Whatever the case may be, we Indics would do well to consider the fact that Jesus Christ and most of his teachings in the New Testament are far closer to Upanishadic thought

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 03 Dec 2012 06:21

sanjaykumar wrote:Whatever the case may be, we Indics would do well to consider the fact that Jesus Christ and most of his teachings in the New Testament are far closer to Upanishadic thought

Supposed influence of Buddhism and Hindu ideas on Christianity is common speculation. Similarities are obvious. Also read works of Indian teachers who went to the West, like Swami Vivekananda, Paramahamsa Yogananda, Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada, etc., and how they chose to handle the question.

Re: particular statements interpreted dogmatically, it depends on context of interpretation.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 1#p1253201

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 03 Dec 2012 10:27

>>Left Islam and became an evangelical christian and he talks about shadows on the wall. He traded one bigot god for another lol.

Not quite... Listen to the whole thing. See what he says about his baptism experience. Listen to his comments about personal agenda (his and others).

His journey has been through the evangelical crowd, but it seems to me that has has taken baby steps beyond - and his head seems to be screwed on right. Watch his other youtube clips, the more recent ones (the ones where he has hair, has learned media manners, gotten his slant jaw adjusted, and general grooming in better shape - if you need to identify the clips more easily).

Carl, +1

kish · Post by **kish** » 03 Dec 2012 14:14

Suspected Islamists kill 10 Christians in Nigeria

Suspected Islamist fighters went on the rampage in northeast Nigeria overnight, killing 10 Christians with guns and machetes and burning down their houses, witnesses said on Sunday.

Religion of peace's gift to Christians. Where ever ROP exist (from Japan to America) there is continue flow of uninterrupted peace, implemented via guns and machetes.

dada · Post by **dada** » 03 Dec 2012 22:27

# Chinmayanand
You have a point there.
Basically Islamic System is designed to remain highly skewed & produce a regular stream of disposable assassins / jihadis / fidayeens / suicide bombers / strategic assets for the ruling elite !
The inputs required for such system was ensured by
1) high birth rate of muslim women / the practice of polygamy
2) young slaves / kids (highly impressionable minds) of captured enemies which were subsequently groomed for the said purpose !
The second method stopped some 200 yrs back . But the first method remains in place !
what is absolutely certain is that an highly refined technique was developed & applied to acquire absolute / 100% control over these minds
(fully prepared to sacrifice self / die & do anything as ordered to serve the so called glory of islam)

what could be achieved by such method ?
in 1550-1600 at the peak of islamic power an estimated 3% of population muslim soldiers controlled/enslaved the whole india for several centuries through organised terror & fear ! indians / hindus had no defence against this mechanism
If power is what one is looking for , what better strategic assets can u possibly have other than a group of people ready to die for your grand objective !

in 21st century man has developed 100% controllable drones to do that ! call it technology replacing man .

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 04 Dec 2012 00:08

Nonie Darwish: Sharia for infidels: Muslims ok to lie to infidels; but criticism is blasphemy

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 04 Dec 2012 00:28

Walid shoebat 2012

Rop is Whop Without Hope

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 04 Dec 2012 00:31

RoyG wrote:
JE Menon wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs4eVuFfqUs

Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of one of Hamas' founders, gives his current perspective
Left Islam and became an evangelical christian and he talks about shadows on the wall. He traded one bigot god for another lol.

Well said

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 04 Dec 2012 21:57

RoyG wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs4eVuFfqUs

Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of one of Hamas' founders, gives his current perspective

Left Islam and became an evangelical christian and he talks about shadows on the wall. He traded one bigot god for another lol.

Maybe, but lets not overlook the big win here- "Left Islam and became an evangelical christian..."

-M

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 Dec 2012 23:29

In Indonesia, the embodiment of of modern and liberal Islamic society

Outrage after (1) Indonesian official (2) divorces (3) teenage bride

An Indonesian official is facing calls for his resignation after it emerged he divorced a teenager by text message following four days of marriage.

Aceng Fikri, the elected head of Garut in West Java province, has publicly apologised amid the outcry. Hundreds protested against him on Tuesday.

Mr Fikri, 40, is married with three children and took the 17-year-old as his second wife in a Muslim ceremony.

He divorced her after reportedly discovering she was not a virgin.

"I would like to apologise to the public if women feel harassed, even though I didn't mean to harass anyone," Mr Fikri said.

He added that he was sorry "even though what I did was appropriately based on Shariah [law]".

Although not recognised in Indonesian law, unrecorded marriages, including religious ones, are common in the country. The marriage law says that women who are 16 can marry.For the liberal chest-beaters - legality is not universal.

Fani Octora was 17 years old and still in high school when she married Mr Fikri in a Muslim ceremony in July that was not officially registered, correspondents say.

She reported him to local police on Monday, accusing him of domestic violence.

Mr Fikri told local media that Ms Octora was not a virgin and "doesn't meet the promised specifications so I sent her back".

He also says she signed an agreement to keep her silence on the matter and he paid her 40 million rupiah ($4,200, £2,600).

Protesters gathered at the Garut municipal building on Tuesday to demand Mr Fikri's removal from office, saying his actions were disrespectful of women.

Correspondents say there is no indication that the police will charge him.

Under local laws, the elected leader of a region can be sacked only under a complicated process that can take up to two months.

Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has asked the Ministry of Home Affairs to look into the case.

This official didn't do anything wrong.
1. He followed Sharia
2. He married a girl of 17yrs old - which is legal
3. He divorced her per Sharia
4. He paid her compensation per Sharia

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 04 Dec 2012 23:30

Watching the entire speech is recommended. The first few minutes or half an hour is insufficient. You get a much better picture of his mindset that way. His comments about baptism by the US evangelical sect indicate that he is no longer fully convinced about the EJ approach. It appears he has left that coop.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 05 Dec 2012 02:05

IMO, as the analogy he draws about shadows on the wall, discussing him is like discussing one of the shadows. What is important, IMO, in this is to focus on the play, players, director and audience. As the most basic level, that lecture is a capability demonstration by MOSSAD of its reach and quality. The audience are the policy circles in US (and international), secondary are the groups such as Hamas (Hamas by itself evidently a setup or royally screwed up) and on periphery are jingos of various nationalities.

may be a bit off topic but the joke is on the biggest banana republic the world has ever seen.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 Dec 2012 05:46

A dumb question.

Can the Ideocracy of Gotus be attributed to the cognitive dissonance on Indians part, because they believe that GoTUS is really a secular constitution?

Just asking.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Dec 2012 02:43

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/201 ... ay-follow/

Dutch blasphemy law to fall and Irish one may follow

aws criminalising blasphemy are set to be struck down soon in the Netherlands and may disappear in Ireland, but rising tensions in economically battered Greece seem to be reviving pressure to prosecute offences against God.Blasphemy appears more frequently in headlines from the Muslim world, where countries such as Pakistan or Saudi Arabia readily punish perceived critics of Islam, but a lesser known trend is a general movement in Europe away from such laws.Cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed and works of art seen as offensive to Islam have angered many Muslims in Europe and beyond in recent years, sometimes sparking violent protests. Yet attacks on religion no longer seem to shock most Europeans.In the Netherlands, scrapping a 1932 blasphemy law became an issue last year after a court undermined it by acquitting far-right leader Geert Wilders on charges of inciting hatred against Muslims.Ireland opened a constitutional convention last Saturday to consider a major reform of the political system, including removal of a blasphemy law only passed in 2009.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Dec 2012 10:33

Islamists hold fort amidst burgeoning protests

Ten Islamist groups issued a statement accusing protesters of “sabotaging” the country by resorting to violence. The coalition demanded that the “legitimately elected President” put an end to the violent protests to ensure security and stability.

“Non-peaceful protests are an offence to Egypt, but Egyptians will defend the legitimacy of the President and preserve the gains of our great revolution.” {look who is talking about non-peaceful protests ! Muslim Brotherhood has extraordinary experience in marrying violence, terror and politics. Egypt will now descend into civil war.}

There were signs that the Islamists may be flirting dangerously with a plan to mount a witch-hunt in the wake of the protests. Prosecutor General Talaat Ibrahim Abdallah has proposed an investigation of a complaint which accuses prominent politicians of spying and plotting the overthrow of the government.

Hamed Sadeq, a lawyer, in his complaint has accused Amr Moussa, Hamdeen Sabahi and Mohamed ElBaradei — all former presidential candidates — of espionage and sedition. All three are facing allegations of participating in a “Zionist plot” of fomenting internal crises in Egypt, following Mr. Moussa’s meeting with Tzipi Livni, former Israeli Foreign Minister. {This is how takfiri Islamism works. Accuse anybody of treason and kill them}

Mr. Morsy’s critics point out that the protesters have been miffed by the supposed lacunae in the draft constitution.

They say the proposed national charter does not guarantee insulation of individual liberties from religious intervention — a hot button issue in a society where, for instance, large number of men and women are opposed to the imposition of a dress code. {Having voted for MB and the more radical Salafist Al Nour party, what else did the Egyptians expect ?}

Some Islamist groups also oppose open sale of alcohol in Egypt, which for many may be necessary to keep the foreign tourist traffic going. Mr. Morsy’s opponents also allege that the draft constitution concentrates too many powers in the office of the President. Some other criticise it for being weak in protecting freedom of expression.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Dec 2012 00:10

Yes, There Is a Link between Islam and Paedophilia.Why doesn't the news report the epidemic of Muslim paedophile gangs?
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthr ... ?t=2153681

This is something we all need to know about, for our own safety and the safety of our family members. But apart from a brief flurry of publicity over Rochdale, we are told virtually nothing, and yet the media can't get enough of Jimmy Savile, a single individual acting alone. Here are 27 cases that undoubtedly represent just the tip of the iceberg, as police forces have admitted to being very unwilling to prosecute or even investigate, for fear of being branded "racists". For more info on each one click the link at the bottom.

Rochdale
May 2012 trial Rochdale Grooming Gang..9 muslims found guilty of child sex crimes against white school girls. Kabeer Hassan, 24; Abdul Aziz, 41; Abdul Rauf, 43; Mohammed Sajid, 35; Adil Khan, 42; Abdu...

Dewsbury
A GROUP of men filmed themselves as they abused a drunk 15-year-old schoolgirl for their own sexual gratification, a court heard. The girl was taken to three different houses in Dewsbury, where she ...

Manchester/Stockport
June 2011. 10 Muslims arrested in raids across Manchester and Salford as part of operation windamere. The victims were mostly from Stockport ...

Telford
Operation Chalice,December 2009, officers arrested most of the defendants and charged them with various offences related to child prostitution. The men on trial – who all used Western nicknames – are ...

Rotherham
Nov 2010. 5 Muslims jailed Umar Razaq, 24, Razwan Razaq, 30, Zafran Ramzan, 21, Adil Hussain, 20, and Mohsin Khan, 21, were found guilty of a string of sexually related offences against the girls, one...

Derby
Nov 2010. A gang of men has been convicted of systematically grooming and sexually abusing teenage girls in Derbyshire. Many of the victims were given alcohol or drugs before being forced to have s...

Carlisle
2012 An Asian takeaway owner has been jailed for 15 years after paying under-age girls for sex and inciting others to become child prostitutes. Now detectives are also investigating possible links ...

Manchester
Aug 2010. Nine men convicted at Manchester Crown Court in connection with the abuse were: Aftab Khan, 31, of Tarporley Avenue, Fallowfield pleaded guilty to one count of controlling a child prostit...

Blackburn
2009 A teenager has described how she was "brainwashed" by a 52-year-old chef who sexually abused her and fed her drugs. The victim, who was 14 at the time, said it "almost destroyed" her life. ...

Rochdale
FEBRUARY 2010: ROCHDALE VICTIM, 16, RAPED BY THREE MEN WHILE FOURTH TOOK PICTURES Ajmal Afridi, 19, Imitiaz Syed, 20, Tayub Hussain, 19, Mustafa Arshad, 17, and Mohammed Usman Raja, 20, were all ja...

Accrington
Aug 2011. Three men, brothers Amjad Hussain, 34, and Shahid Hussain, 37, and their cousin father-of-four Tanveer Butt, 39, were all convicted of rape.

Bury
July 2011. A fast-food shop worker has been jailed for four years for sexually abusing 18 girls in Greater Manchester. Iranian national Homayon Narouzzad admitted 25 offences of sexual activity wit...

Brierfield
June 2012. A 14-year-old girl was treated with "indignity and contempt" by a Lancashire drugs gang which sexually exploited her, a court has heard. Burnley Crown Court heard she was passed between ...

Bradford
july 2012. Ten men have been arrested by police on suspicion of committing serious sexual offences following raids across the Bradford district. The arrests were made as part of an ongoing investig...

Oxford
May 2012. Grooming gang busted with upto 50 white schoolgirl victims and charges relate to the sexual exploitation of girls between 11 and 16 across the Oxford area over a period of several years.’...

Blackpool
2003 - present day . At least 60 schoolgirls were groomed for sex by workers at seedy takeaways linked to the murder of a 14-year-old girl. Children as young as 11 were targeted by mainly Asian staff...

Leicester
March 2012. A former Leicester city councillor who caused a political storm by describing Gordon Brown as "the worst Prime Minister in history", pestered two schoolgirls for sex and indecently assault...

Burnley
Oct 2012. THREE men have appeared in court charged with raping a teenage girl at the weekend. A 16-year-old girl was found by a man walking his dog on the canal towpath close to Barden Lane in Burn...

Bradford
Sept 2012. A man who plied an “infatuated” 13-year-old girl with gifts of adult underwear, then tried to hang himself in front of her after their relationship ended, has been jailed for five years. ...

Dewsbury
Aug 2012 A TAXI driver has been jailed for his part in a series of sexual attacks on a 15-year-old girl. Larasab Hussain also raped a woman in her 20s, making her pregnant, just weeks after the ...

Skipton
Aug 2012. A predatory paedophile who sexually abused two children up to 40 years ago has been jailed for eight years. Self-styled community leader Abdul Razaq showed no emotion when he was led off t...

Northampton
Aug 2012 A convicted child rapist sexually assaulted a 12-year-old girl after spiking her Fruit Shoot drink with vodka while on bail for another sex attack on a youngster. Twisted Samuel Omar, 64, ...

Ipswich
Jul 2012. Four men have been charged with offences relating to the alleged abduction of a 13-year-old girl, according to Suffolk Police. Police have issued a statement confirming the arrests. Th...

Luton
May 2012 the Sikh community protested in Luton after a Punjabi girl from a Sikh background was allegedly raped by a young British born Pakistani Muslim man. Anan Majid Basharat has now been charged...

Cambridge
Feb 2011. A judge has been criticised for failing to jail a pervert who groomed a 14-year-old girl for sex after ruling he was being 'simply a young man'. Turon Ali, 26, groomed the schoolgirl by s...

Birmingham
April 2012. FIVE men have been jailed for a total of 38 years after they lured two teenage girls to Birmingham and held them captive whilst subjecting them to a string of sex attacks.Over the cours...

Bradford
May 2012. Two men who shared a 13-year-old Bradford schoolgirl for sex after she was bribed with alcohol, cigarettes and money have been jailed. Shabir Ahmed, 39 – branded “a dangerous, predatory pa...

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 07 Dec 2012 00:34

Racist, Christist propaganda (or maybe not).

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 07 Dec 2012 00:37

link to the maps indicating the locations of the rapes by Muslims

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 07 Dec 2012 01:23

what the hell does "groomed for sex" actually mean?

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 07 Dec 2012 05:07

^^Below the age of consent, every bit of pimping - encouraging sexual behaviour, inducing or using various dependence tactics, whether money or substance abuse - will all be seen as abetment. Legally it will be abetment of a juvenile/below age of consent.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 07 Dec 2012 05:57

KJoishy wrote:what the hell does "groomed for sex" actually mean?

Building trust and/or dependence over time with a minor with a specifically sexual goal.

Its something that happens to vulnerable minors in particular - girls whose own families are in turmoil, and who really wish somebody cared about them. But it also happens to girls who are just outgoing and trusting.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Dec 2012 06:23

The information makes ROP translate as Religion of Paedophelia.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 07 Dec 2012 06:41

Mother murdered son for 'failing to learn the Koran'

Sara Ege used a stick to beat seven-year-old Yaseen “like a dog” if he couldn’t recite passages from the Islamic text.
The beatings were so brutal that the boy died from his injuries, and his mother tried to burn the body to destroy the evidence, Cardiff Crown Court was told.
Yaseen was originally thought to have died in the house fire. But a post-mortem examination showed Mrs Ege had been beating and abusing her little boy in the months leading up to his murder.
In a video recording of her interview with police, Mrs Ege told them: “I was trying to teach him the Koran.
“I was getting more and more frustrated. If he didn’t read it properly I would be very angry — I would hit him.

“We had a high target. I wanted him to learn 35 pages in three months.
“I promised him a new bike if he could do it. But Yaseen wasn’t very good — after a year of practice he had only learnt a chapter.”
The court heard Mrs Ege, 32, a university graduate, and her husband, Yousuf, had enrolled Yaseen in advanced classes at their local mosque.
They wanted him to become a hafiz — an Islamic term for someone who memorises the Koran.
Yaseen was coming to the end of a three-month trial period at the mosque, and Ege was keen for him to impress his Imam.
Mrs Ege told officers: “I was getting all this bad stuff in my head, like I couldn’t concentrate, I was getting angry too much, I would shout at Yaseen all the time.”
She also hit him with a hammer, a rolling pin and a slipper, as well as repeatedly punching him, the court heard.
She would allegedly lock him in the shed, tie him to a door, and force him to do press-ups.
In the months after Yaseen’s death, Mrs Ege told a doctor she been told to kill him by Shaitan — an Islamic name for the devil, the court was told.
She said: “I have become so harsh, I even killed my own son.”
Her husband, 38, denies causing or allowing the death of a child by not stopping the beatings.

The trial continues.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Dec 2012 07:19

RamaY wrote:Mother murdered son for 'failing to learn the Koran'

She said: “I have become so harsh, I even killed my own son.”
Her husband, 38, denies causing or allowing the death of a child by not stopping the beatings.
The trial continues.

The Glory and the Miracle of of the Mind Controling techniques perfected in medieval era.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 07 Dec 2012 07:39

^ didn't you read?

The believer said it is work of Shaitan. So it has nothing to do with Islam.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 07 Dec 2012 11:28

The Muslim Rage and Hypocrisy

Can you believe it? A Chinese–made shoe is holding hostage a population of over 1.4 million in Srinagar. It began in Central Kashmir’s Magam area. On 28 November, someone saw a white sports shoe with the name of the last Caliph (Hazrat Ali) printed on it. A close examination of the shoe, however, threw up a hint of mischief: on the right-side of the toe, the name ‘Ali’ was hand-written with a black marker and didn’t look like a company mark. Soon, men, children and women gathered on the streets. Protests ensued. The shoe was held high in the procession while the demonstrators called for an end to “hurting” Muslim “sensibilities.”

Even before the crowd from this protest had returned home, a new mob gathered around 30 kilometers away at Srinagar’s Zadibal-Nowhatta neighbourhood where Shia and Sunni communities live together but their union is often marred by frictions from time to time. For years, youngsters of this area have been stone-pelting the armed forces for atrocities and the clampdown on Azadi-demanding protests, but today they were stone pelting each other’s houses, breaking windowpanes and disfiguring fence walls. Some people say pro-India PDP’s Shia leader had spoken against the first three Caliphs of Islam during his Moharram speech (a few days before the shoe-incident) that angered the majority Sunni population. Others say the Shia youth wanted to enforce a strike in the Sunni area of Nowhatta which was resisted by the shopkeepers triggering stone pelting between the other communities. The result: the police and the paramilitary CRPF are enforcing a curfew for several days now; seizing some youth in nocturnal raids, and even the parents of those running away to escape the Khakis. Ghulam Qadir Sheikh, the father of a youth who was detained in one such raid, says he was dealt with like a hardcore criminal in the police station. Adding to the absurd chaos, Kashmir’s Divisional Commissioner Asghar Samoon, as quoted in the local media, explained that he had recommended in the past too that parents of minors (allegedly involved in stone pelting) must be punished. Meanwhile representatives of around 30 religious bodies (both Sunni and Shi’ites) are now trying to calm the angry communities.

A friend jokingly says if this is what a single Chinese shoe can do, imagine the magnitude of global unrest if the whole of China were unleashed on the world.

Ruptures between Shi’ites and Sunnis aren’t new. They had developed immediately after the Prophet Muhammad’s death in 632 AD. There was no agreement on his immediate successor. Sunnis recognise the first four Caliphs (Abu Bakr, Umar Farooq, Usman Ghani and lastly, Ali Murtaza) as his rightful successors; the Shi’ites believes the prophet nominated his son-in-law, Ali. Since then, sentiments over the matter continued to boil right through to the modern times, sometime pushing countries to the verge of civil war. But in the case of Kashmir, Shi’ites and Sunnis rarely have such turbulent history. There is a greater realisation among many regarding who will actually benefit from such a sectarian fight which I’ve already mentioned in my previous blog post.

Such protests, however, also throw up questions (so far avoided and unanswered too). Was this shoe-protest a justifiable rage? How will a violent protest in Srinagar force the shoe-manufacturer (in case it’s established that a mischief was played at the manufacturing level) in China to stop such production. Or how will it force some individual or a group not to play this malafide act again? They must be already giggling somewhere after having successfully triggered clashes in Srinagar over a shoe.

This incident also reminds me of the June 2010 anti-West and anti-India protest in Kashmir. Young men in hundreds in the same neighbourhood carried a blue underwear on a wooden stick, after spotting on it, a sketch of a building which looked like the Al-Aqsa Mosque of Palestine. Without any thorough examination, the underwear enraged them. Soon they blamed the West for “hurting Muslim sensibilities” and clashed with the police and the CRPF. The under wear protest soon faded after it was established that it never carried images of any Islamic worship place. The blue underwear flouted as a placard had in fact sketches of buildings that resembled London’s Big Ben and Saint Paul’s Cathedral and several other places.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 07 Dec 2012 18:00

>Without any thorough examination, the underwear enraged them.

No shit? (No pun). I mean, what if they had done a thorough examination (however that is done)? Then it would be OK to get enraged?

Fu(k man, this thing is getting to insane levels!!!

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 07 Dec 2012 19:29

RamaY wrote:^ didn't you read? The believer said it is work of Shaitan. So it has nothing to do with Islam.

This is a clear cut case of islamophobia.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 07 Dec 2012 20:06

JE Menon wrote:Without any thorough examination, the underwear enraged them.

That's wrong. There was definitely a thorough examination.

They sniffed the underwear, naturally, as they always do, but the musk enraged them.

Please get your facts right, saar.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Dec 2012 00:44

X-post that gives a good overarching idea of Islam and its expansion....

brihaspati wrote:Johann,
by that logic, as long as any non-Islamic super-power exists anywhere in the world - nowadays - when frontiers are not limited to what can be reached on horseback and camelback, Muslim anger at anyone else's power or independent existence will keep on generating ALQ version X.

If you think back on this, the greatest anger at such "other superpower" should have been directed at the British in the 19th and 20th century. In spite of a few confrontations, all of the muslim world - quickly, very quickly, got hand in gloves with the British superpower, at a time when the centre of the Islamic world, ideologically speaking [not commercially which was Ottomania] was in the Gulf, which wa snot being threatened by any other superpower.

In fact through the rise and decline of the British superpowerdom, there has been surprisingly little confrontation between Islamic jihad and British super-powerism. The only problem zone was AFG, but there are reasons for that. Even there, the Brits quickly worked out a mutually beneficial equation, through the inclusion of the Afghans in BIA and thereby transfer of military tech [the many known instances of Brit knowledge of removal of hardware from BIA into Pakhtun hands].

The so-called anger - is not just about existence of superpowers, it is a fundamental imperialist drive based on two fundamental logics:

(a) Islam needs a framework of civilization based on physical dominance hierarchies, which means labour intensive, and hence Islam is most comfortable in typically low-tech agrarian setting. Technological advances in production systems blurs the boundaries of physical inputs, and hence jeopardizes the primitive/animalistic domiannce submission patterns outlined in the theology.

(b) Islam's tendency is therefore to try and continuously expand territorially, and capture fertile or well-irrigated lands for agriculture. Simultaneously, while it is not completely dominant, and alternative economies exist that produce stuff that the Islamists cannot produce or cannot afford to produce without jeopardizing and challenging the simpler/primitive biological dominance model - Islam likes to control the exchange market for such commodities. This adds another urgency angle to the imperialist expansion agenda - to take over trade routes beween more advanced technologies.

By enforcing dominance on the exchange process - if nothing else other than by creating nuisance value - Islam funds its own demographic and territorial expansion agenda, while taking a cut from non-Muslim growth and affecting non-Muslim economies. Its all part of the ulterior expansion agenda while trying to keep civilization at that particular primitive level where the biological dominance controls everything.

Thus imperialism is inherent in the Islamic, and it is independent of the existence of any superpower or not. Yes an existence of a superpower helps in mobilization - but a British type seems not to provide the right excuses - but it is not necessary. Mere existence of something lootable would be good enough.

However, I would also like to point out that - the Islamic is very much - very much, bought-able. Bribes, money, women will fracture any semblance of any unity there - not permanently, but for the right amount of time, which can be used to bulldoze the institutions. One advantage of the primitive psychology inherent in the theology also makes it particularly vulnerable to overwhelming crushing, genocidal defeat. The submission theology prepares auto-justification in the mind to give up on defeat with atrocities that the Islamic practices on others. It is a sign to them that their supreme has abandoned them or lost.

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 08 Dec 2012 01:05

A friend jokingly says if this is what a single Chinese shoe can do, imagine the magnitude of global unrest if the whole of China were unleashed on the world.

why the recent SMSes and the following mayhem unleashed by the faith fool and their sekular supporters is proof enough.

To really destabilize GOI TSP does not need Pu U2 bums our home grown cells have enough bum power.

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 08 Dec 2012 01:06

KJoishy wrote:what the hell does "groomed for sex" actually mean?

downstairs is mopped up according to the book (published by Huge heffenher)

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Dec 2012 01:19

pentaiah wrote:
KJoishy wrote:what the hell does "groomed for sex" actually mean?
downstairs is mopped up according to the book (published by Huge heffenher)

That is Prophet Huge Feck Nar ( Nar in Sanskrit)

Some said Paki Music .Hey Ram, Its Hawraam

Hadith Qudsi 19:5: "The Prophet said that Allah commanded him to destroy all the musical instruments, idols, crosses and all the trappings of ignorance." (The Hadith Qudsi, or holy Hadith, are those in which Muhammad transmits the words of Allah, although those words are not in the Qur'an.)

Muhammad also said:
(1) "Allah Mighty and Majestic sent me as a guidance and mercy to believers and commanded me to do away with musical instruments, flutes, strings, crucifixes, and the affair of the pre-Islamic period of ignorance."
(2) "On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will pour molten lead into the ears of whoever sits listening to a songstress."
(3) "Song makes hypocrisy grow in the heart as water does herbage."
(4) "This community will experience the swallowing up of some people by the earth, metamorphosis of some into animals, and being rained upon with stones." Someone asked, "When will this be, O Messenger of Allah?" and he said, "When songstresses and musical instruments appear and wine is held to be lawful."

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 08 Dec 2012 02:49

German Poll Data on Islam

The German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung has commissioned an opinion poll to find out what Germans think about Muslims. Generally, the results are regarded as "catastrophic".

Respondents to the poll were asked to choose which of 21 statements they were offered about Islam that most closely reflected their opinion. 83% of them think that Islam is associated with impairing women's rights, 77% thought Islam was a literalist religion; 70% said Islam is associated with religious fanaticism and radicalism. A significant part of Germany's population also believes that Islam is ready for violence (64%), hatred (60%), active missionary activity (56%), and striving for political influence (56%). Only 13% of respondents associate Islam with love for neighbours; 12% - with charity; 7% - with openness and tolerance.

These results do not differ much from a similar poll conducted in May 2006, although that poll was taken at the height of the Mohammed cartoons controversy.

The high level of mistrust in Islam is reflected in other questions. For example, in 2006, 55% of respondents answered yes to the question "Do you think that serious conflicts will appear between the Western Christian culture and the Arab Muslim culture in the future?" Today there are 44% people who think so. In 2006 and today a quarter of respondents believe that such serious conflicts exist even now.

Another question concerned the term "a clash of civilizations". In 2006 46% of Germans were sure that such a clash was taking place; in 2010 this number grew to 58%; it has now reduced to 43%. However, these people still represent a simple majority, as only 34% responded negatively to the question.

36% of German respondents think that Christianity and Islam can live peacefully together. However, 53% think that serious conflicts between these two religions will develop.

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As for relations between Muslims and non-Muslims in Germany, respondents have pessimistic attitudes. 48% respondents answered positively to the question "Do you think tension in relations with Muslims will grow in Germany in the nearest future and should we be afraid of it?" Only 29% of people see no threat.

The majority of Germans don't support policies of accommodating demands for censorship or special privilege. Only 27% of respondents think that for protecting peace there should be a ban on anything that might insult or provoke Muslims. 52% argued against this.