Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 11 Dec 2012 12:47

Thanks Krishnan

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Dec 2012 13:33

Islamist terrorism may end by 2030

A landmark US intelligence report released on Monday says the "current Islamist phase of terrorism" might end by 2030, but violent terrorism itself is unlikely to die completely and might evolve into bloodless forms of economic and financial terrorism.

More interestingly for this thread,

The report has a dismal prognosis for Pakistan, widely considered the epicenter of terrorism, ranking the country 12th among 15 countries that have a high risk of failure in a list that is topped by Somalia and includes Afghanistan, Nigeria, and Ethiopia. Bangladesh, which was ranked 11th in the last such report issued in 2008, is now considered stable and has been moved out of the list.

Although the report said South Asia would continue to face internal and external shocks during the next 15-20 years, including tensions between India and Pakistan over resources, it saw New Delhi's "power advantage" relative to Islamabad growing rapidly. India's economy is already nearly eight times as large as Pakistan's; by 2030 that ratio could easily be more than 16-to-1, it said.

In fact, to the likely dismay of Indian planners who factor in Pakistan's economic growth and stability for peace-making prospects, the country does not even find mention as a second level economy such as Colombia, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, South Africa, Mexico, Turkey, that the report counts in a list of middle tier that will also rise by 2030.

"Low growth, rising food prices, and energy shortages will pose stiff challenges to governance in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Afghanistan's and Pakistan's youth bulges are large -- similar in size to those found in many African countries. When these youth bulges are combined with a slow-growing economy, they portend increased instability," the report warns.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 11 Dec 2012 14:08

SS. Pakistun is going to disintegrate by then!

Strategic depth, which they are hoping to recover will be strategic fracture.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 11 Dec 2012 14:13

SSridhar wrote:Islamist terrorism may end by 2030
More interestingly for this thread,
The report has a dismal prognosis for Pakistan, widely considered the epicenter of terrorism, ranking the country 12th among 15 countries that have a high risk of failure in a list that is topped by Somalia and includes Afghanistan, Nigeria, and Ethiopia. Bangladesh, which was ranked 11th in the last such report issued in 2008, is now considered stable and has been moved out of the list.

^^^^
True to form, Bakis put their own spin on the very same report. Bojitive Neuj onlee. Yawn is reporting the news as:
Pakistan, 10 others to surpass EU by 2030: US govt report
Surprised?? Well, they are grouped with 10 other countries.

It includes a Goldman Sachs list of “Next Eleven” consisting of Bangladesh, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Mexico, Nigeria, Pakistan, the Philippines, South Korea, Turkey, and Vietnam.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 11 Dec 2012 15:11

SSridhar wrote:
In fact, to the likely dismay of Indian planners who factor in Pakistan's economic growth and stability

Which planner? It is argued piss brings stability not other way around

Interesting it is the pashtuns that are multiplying so pakjab beware!:-)

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Dec 2012 15:36

I downloaded the original report. It says, under 'Diffusion of Power'

This middle tier as a group will surpass Europe, Japan, and Russia. China’s economy will be 140-percent larger than Japan; India’s will be 16 times larger than Pakistan’s. Technology will be a great leveler, shifting the balance of power towards multifaceted networks.

One understands comparison between China, Japan & India. Where does Pakistan come into the picture ? Why does the US have this urge to thrust TSP into the equation whenever it talks of India ? There is enough expectation that Pakistan may not exist as a geopolitical entity by c. 2030. Then why compare a likely 30 trillion USD economy of India with a decaying state which is not expected to even survive by that timeframe ?

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 11 Dec 2012 15:42

Ha ha so yawn took a fake button and sewed a vest

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 11 Dec 2012 18:27

We will go after endangered species and fictional characters says TTP

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 Dec 2012 19:10

rajanb wrote:Im unable to get through to this article posted 1 minute ago in The Express Tribune/pk

India will ask for custody of Hafiz Saeed: Shinde
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/i ... 185445.ece

This is funny and comical. And TSP is going to shiver at this demand and hand over this pig? Is this for public consumption? What a cruel joke. After launching Aman Ki Tamasha, and piss process, playing kirket, what leverage does India have to force this issue? TSP, true to form, will make a daylight mockery of this and will say give us Advani, then we will consider this request. (And as an aside, there are many in India who will see this is a reasonable swap).

India's post 26/11 Aman Ki Tamasha policy has been such a cruel joke, and viewed purely from a diabolical TSP PoV, one has to agree with TSP however humiliating and disgusting it sounds. TSP is essentially saying, we kicked your ass royally, there is nothing you can do (recall even Mush's puke alongside Jassu bhai where he brazenly declares that Kargil was a militray victory for casualties they inflicted), and so now sit down and talk in good faith (look to the future as Hina duckling pompously demands): As Mush likes to say, we have done horrible things to each other. In their minds, 26/11 and every other terrorist attack was a strategic victory (revenge for all the military losses on the battle field including 1971) in making India climb down and talk. Thus, having gone down the Aman Ki Tamasha path, making unachievable demands like this will only invite ridicule and scorn.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Dec 2012 19:42

Expansion of the Karakoram corridor: Implications & Prospects - IDSA

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Dec 2012 23:46

RamaY wrote:
saip wrote:N Korea is not going ahead with its satellite launch. Did not someone on BR predict this after Paki's missile failure?
I think it was Ramanaji.

So what does it mean Ramanaji? The customer is demanding replacement ?

There is a design flaw that the Paki test uncovered. Ghauri cant be made to fly faster. It falls apart: "in-flight break-up".*

NoKo test will lead to higher speeds. Hence the caution. NoKo cant afford a break-up.

Read the Nightwatch report about NoKo First stage being replaced.
Most likely has a some structural augmentation/reinforcement..

*V2 and all its derivatives (SCUD/DUD (Iraqis, NoDOngs etc)) have this issue of 'in-flight break-up"

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 11 Dec 2012 23:52

http://www.engrish.com/2008/07/i-always ... nch-lived/
No explanation needed

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 12 Dec 2012 00:36

CRamS, actually making the demand is an important step.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 12 Dec 2012 00:51

India will ask for custody of Hafiz Saeed: Shinde

This is to pre-empt paki ISI's plans for Hafiz Saeed.
The pakis want this guy to not only win an election, but are planning to make him a minister.

India asking for his extradition will hopefully make them think of procedural and diplomatic improprities in doing so.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Dec 2012 01:23

Also recall there was report/speculation that US wants to raise the AhLe pigs profile to combat/check the Wahabandi-Salafist rise in TSP?

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 12 Dec 2012 02:16

RamaY wrote:
saip wrote:N Korea is not going ahead with its satellite launch. Did not someone on BR predict this after Paki's missile failure?
So what does it mean Ramanaji? The customer is demanding replacement ?

I was going through aunty (wikipedia) to find out the provenance of NoKo missiles. It looks like they develped their missiles from (stolen?) Russian tech. I was under the impression that it was China which gifted the missile tech to NoKo and Nucs to Pakistan so that they can in-breed. Aunty's information is contradciting this theory. So, what did China gift NoKo that they are beholden to China?

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 12 Dec 2012 02:52

ramana wrote:Also recall there was report/speculation that US wants to raise the AhLe pigs profile to combat/check the Wahabandi-Salafist rise in TSP?

but why now? The plans for Hafeez have been in the open since a long time.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 12 Dec 2012 03:00

matrim garu, I think this is one big reason:

In 1950, China entered the Korean War in support of North Korea.[3] In 1961, the two countries signed the Sino-North Korean Mutual Aid and Cooperation Friendship Treaty, whereby China pledged to immediately render military and other assistance by all means to its ally against any outside attack.[4] This treaty was prolonged twice, in 1981 and 2001, with a validity till 2021.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 12 Dec 2012 03:04

venug garu, thanks. That explains it - so shadow boxing with US.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 12 Dec 2012 03:21

ArmenT wrote:^^^^
True to form, Bakis put their own spin on the very same report. Bojitive Neuj onlee. Yawn is reporting the news as:
Pakistan, 10 others to surpass EU by 2030: US govt report
Surprised?? Well, they are grouped with 10 other countries.
It includes a Goldman Sachs list of “Next Eleven” consisting of Bangladesh, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Mexico, Nigeria, Pakistan, the Philippines, South Korea, Turkey, and Vietnam.

I did some back of the napkin math...

China in 2012 5739 becomes Japan in 2012 5458 grows @ 1.5% growth 7351.134626 140% larger 10291.58848 Resulting in 3% growth

India in 2012 1722 becomes Pakistan in 2012 174 grows @ 3.5% growth 346.2232622 16 times 5539.572196 Resulting in 6% growth

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Dec 2012 05:01

ramana wrote:Also recall there was report/speculation that US wants to raise the AhLe pigs profile to combat/check the Wahabandi-Salafist rise in TSP?

TSPA also wants it.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 12 Dec 2012 05:18

Half pGal Half Paki 50/50. Whole National Brain Weights under One Chhattaki

Our deliberate delirium — I — Meh Boob Qaa Dir

Collective delirium is not just faith-based but is also of a political, social, racial and national variety. In our case, it is predominantly religious as there is nothing else truly worthwhile that the Muslim world has to show. However, the seam that we have latched on to is dangerous and, therefore, too toxic to languish in for long.The brew is poisonous and yet highly addictive. It makes you insane before it kills. Under the evil influence, we are blindfolding ourselves, plugging our ears and shutting down our minds to reason, sensibility and practical wisdom. Then like sick lambs in the cattle yard, we are being led to the pit for cremation. Slowly and methodically, the frail body of our belief system is being amputated by alien choppers and the dragons of deep dark grouse are devouring our goodness limb by limb. Yet like accursed men we walk to the chopping block, resigned and uncomplaining.
See what we are doing to ourselves and how recklessly but comprehensively at that. We started off on a contentious premise of being an ideological state for the Muslims of undivided India, a claim untenable ab initio. Few know and very few admit that an independent Pakistan was a second option with the leaders of the pre-Partition All India Muslim League. Their original and consistent demand was a constitutionallyanteed place for Muslims within the framework of undivided India. Having started off on the wrong foot, we never recovered our national poise, particularly after the fateful 1948 Kashmir adventure. Induction of tribal lashkars into the Kashmir war along with their history of military campaigns and treasure hunts into the subcontinent, introduced an uncontrollable and distressing dimension into Indo-Pakistan relations. Our subsequent wobbly leaderships were sucked into the powerful vortex of militarism versus India, thus setting up a destructive surge in the arms race, a martial mindset and prickliness towards neighbours. All that and an ear splitting clamour by the Islamist parties helped evolve and then induce a paranoia of insecurity and fear of a ntless conspiracy against the lone ‘ideological’ Muslim state.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 12 Dec 2012 06:54

TSPA also wants it.

That's easy float another subsidiary that takes over the "field" work, wash LET image with media campaign so they have plausible deniability next time...

We get thrown under bus and leftist media applaud it as clever strategy - look the aman tamasha disarm them without violence!

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 12 Dec 2012 06:58

Hero doctor who helped nail Bin Laden tortured in Pakistani prison, says family

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 12 Dec 2012 07:19

In Pa'astan, Military Intelligence makes list of Shia professionals, Deobandi militants shoot them
Quid pro quo!

A few days ago, two men on a motorcycle came to my locality and sought information about me and my family. They contacted a local shopkeeper and asked questions about me and my family including whether I am Shia or not, etc.

The Military Intelligence (MI) has initiated a country wide exercise, where they are knocking at the doors of journalists and columnists seeking help in providing them details about themselves in a two-page form in Urdu, for what they say is a verification process.

The News saw the names of nearly a hundred well known media personalities, including women journalists who live on their own and even included one columnist who is a sitting member of Parliament.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 12 Dec 2012 09:57

apologies if this was posted earlier.
Shia board slams Pak for attacks on minorities in Pakistan

LUCKNOW: The All India Shia Personal Law Board has condemned attacks on Shia Muslims, Hindus and Sikh natives in Pakistan. Addressing reporters, spokesperson of AISPLB, Maulana Yasoob Abbas said that Pakistan had anti-Islamic polices, which are responsible for atrocities on Hindu and Sikh communities in the country.

"We condemn the series of bomb blasts took place in the cities of Pakistan targeting Muharram processions carried out by Shias and ongoing atrocities on Hindus and Sikhs," Yasoob told TOI. He announced that the AISPLB would carry out a massive protest in the state capital against killings on December 17. "Rally will be carried out from Nakkhas towards Vidhan Sabha against the anti-Shia and minorities policy of Pakistan. We have invited number of organisations and clerics to join the protest," he shared.

Yasoob alleged that though the government of Pakistan claims to provide better protection and security to the minorities there, but all those are false claims, which can be assessed through the figures of killings taken place in past some years. "Pak government should improve the security scenario in the country and should wipe of the terrorist organisations, which were stained with the blood of innocent lives," he added

Abhijit · Post by **Abhijit** » 12 Dec 2012 11:10

^^
I don't get it

Dear Maulana ji,

Why take out a procession against the Shia killing in pakistan to the Vidhan Sabha of Uttar Pradesh? Why not take the procession to Deoband and ask them to condemn the Shia killing? Or paki high commision? Hain ji?

partha · Post by **partha** » 12 Dec 2012 12:39

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 12 Dec 2012 13:05

Transformation already on just sit back and enjoy popcorn....

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 12 Dec 2012 13:33

Where is this South Asia

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 12 Dec 2012 13:48

Yet another taknik they learned by licking the fragrant butt holes of their tallest mountain friends...whenever they want to discuss something ugly about their own behaviour or culture, they camouflage it as 'Asian'. When it is good things, they get very specific - 'Chinese'. Our Pakbaric neighbours are no different....when in trouble or want to camouflage their jehadi terrorist genocidal maniacal identity, take shelter under 'South Asian'

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 12 Dec 2012 15:06

Aditya_V wrote:Where is this South Asia

South-Asia == Akhand Bharat.

The logical culmination of the present situation of pakis(particular RAPEs) is undoing the partition, so that they can take part in India's economic party. The RAPE class would see how the Indian elites are having a blast by looting lakhs of crores. I think they are itching to be part of India. The aam abduls of pak are also aware that the kaffirs in India are having a great party. All these abduls would jump with joy if they can be part of this party. Infact, the aam abduls are desperately in search of any opportunity to ditch pakiland.

India's only intelligent man, Sri Katju, also supports this view.

Now, there are two ways of undoing partition:
a) Undo partition, but keep the jihadi network, infrastructure and ideology inside pakistan intact.
b) Undo partition after dismantling thew jihadi infrastructure, network, and ideology.

Pakis would prefer option (a). West would prefer option (a). Middle-east(and larger Islamic group of nations) would prefer option (a). China would prefer option (a). 'Secular' parties and people of India would prefer option (a).

Some re-aligning of the regional map will have to be done to accommodate such a deal. Maybe a new nation of pakhtunwa comprising of pashtun regions of Astan and Pstan will be created. POK will be disputed by China, so POK continues to be out of India's possession. Pakis may ask for special electorates in the pakiland and some form of autonomy(similar to Kashmir), so that the demographic clearance of Hindus in Pakiland after 1947 is not undone.

Partition was a deal between Muslim elites, Indian elites and the western elites. Undoing partition will also be a similar deal. Pakis crowing the tunes of 'south-asia' is an indicator of their mental state that they are convinced of the failure of 'Pakistan' experiment and want to be part of the Indian success story(and then screw it from within).

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 12 Dec 2012 15:12

partha wrote:

(a) Economic transformation is a South Asian phenomenon, not national.

(b) Terrorism is a global phenomenon, not national.

(c) Killing your minorities in the name of religion is a universal phenomenon, not national.

(d) Refusing to take responsibility for your actions is a sub-continental phenomenon, not national.

(e) Holding the begging bowl while simultaneously threatening to kill yourself is a natural phenomenon, not national.

(f) But g@ndugiri? G@ndugiri is a national phenomenon, the national phenomenon of the phenomenal nation of Pakistan.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 12 Dec 2012 15:18

johneeG ji,

many of the RAPE Pakis have concluded that Pakistan is really a deep pit with a huge pile of porky shitta and so they don't want to belong there, so either they belong to some distant feudal Punjab of the '50s or they belong to Mughal-ka-zamaana, and the ones who don't want to only live in the past, belong to South Asia - and not Pakistan.

All those who speak of South Asia are Pakis, but that South Asia exists only in their brains and on some newsprint. Indians know of the Indian Subcontinent, we know of Akhand Bharat, but we know nothing of South Asia nor do we give a shit about it. Pakis and Indians come from two separate societies.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 12 Dec 2012 15:20

Some days ago, I dreamt that Khan attacked eye-ran, took help of the pukis and handed over eye-ran to them. The RAPES were all over the place making more money.
In the real world. that will take care of the puki itch to bring justice to cashmere for short term.. I just hope some X-e-X finds a good reason to take some steps. Maybe Shia angle. Why the fuc can't they think of acting across their western border? S Barberia may like it too.
If that happens it will be another round of freebies and malai for the RAPES. The only issue is that I am not able to find any good reason why Khan would employ this mechanism in the real world. In any case, Khan's appetite for bringing freedom/democracy/modernity to the world may be on the decline.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 12 Dec 2012 15:56

partha wrote:

how would this dumbfcuk explain why mehico is still lagging economically behind massa?

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 12 Dec 2012 16:15

somebody does all the hardwork by doing social and economic normalization, and this guy expects to benefit from that, while sticking to his feudal, medieval ways?

chakki peese mohatarma, kare katayi
ghar bhete bhete mian sehat banaye?

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 12 Dec 2012 16:27

pgbhat wrote:
partha wrote:

how would this dumbfcuk explain why mehico is still lagging economically behind massa?

And NK behind SK ; East behind West Germany ; Laos behind Thailand too many to list

Ramu · Post by **Ramu** » 12 Dec 2012 16:35

These guys can smell money & blood from miles away.
They don't waste a minute to cash in on any crappy situation.

Pakistan, UNESCO sign MoU to set up Malala fund for educating girls

Pakistan and UNESCO have signed an agreement to establish Malala fund to support the education of girls in Pakistan and other countries.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 12 Dec 2012 20:22

Sir Creek not to be handed over to Pak: PM : Prime Minister Manmohan Singh replied to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi's letter on Sir Creek. "Allegations that Sir Creek will be handed over to Pakistan are untrue," he added.

Modi on Thursday asked Dr Singh to stop dialogue with Pakistan at once on the Sir Creek issue and demanded that it should not be handed over to the neighbouring nation.

"I am writing on a serious issue of talks being held on Sir Creek being handed over to Pakistan. Any attempt to hand over Sir Creek to Pakistan would be a strategic blunder considering the history and sensitivity of the region," Modi has written in a letter to the PM.

"I would earnestly request you to stop this dialogue with Pakistan at once and Sir Creek should not be handed over to Pakistan," Modi further wrote in the letter.

"Due to the election code of conduct, Modi wrote the letter as a concerned citizen and not as a chief minister of a state," BJP spokesperson Nirmala Sitaraman said while giving details of the letter at a press conference in Ahemedabad.

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