Internal Security Watch

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 Dec 2012 00:01

All that is old hat and his religious obligation. If Ind Muj grievance is Nizami related then the remedy is different than what is currently prescribed:vote bank appeasement.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 31 Dec 2012 21:27

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 825645.cms

MALAPPURAM: Kerala Police have decided to blacklist Free Gaza Movement co-founder and globally-known advocate of the Palestinian cause Paul Larudee, who was taken into custody from Tirur in Malappuram district on Saturday night, for violating visa norms in India. On Sunday evening, police issued a "quit India" notice to the American human rights activist, asking him to leave India as early as possible. If blacklisted, Larudee can never visit India again.

After police received information that Larudee, who has been in India since last three days on a tourist visa, was to attend a conference of Student Islamic Organisation at Tirur, a police team led by Malappuram SP K Sethuraman reached the venue took him into custody. The police team took Larudee into custody soon after he finished his speech on 'Youth and Arab Spring'. Larudee was the chief guest at the conference.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 31 Dec 2012 21:35

Another activist on tourist visa! Need much more and direct policing of these tourist visa people who go about doing their propaganda.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 31 Dec 2012 22:03

Real Story of Actors in "Mother Teresa Award to Sanjiv Bhatt

http://storify.com/surnell/mother-teres ... fy.co_nCwk

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 31 Dec 2012 22:20

Manorama adds Kasab to 'Titans who passed away in 2012

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 31 Dec 2012 23:07

Sushupti wrote:Real Story of Actors in "Mother Teresa Award to Sanjiv Bhatt

http://storify.com/surnell/mother-teres ... fy.co_nCwk

The missionaries and pastors are giving awards to Modi's opponents, the same way the Goras do for anyone opposed to "Hindoo nationalists."

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 31 Dec 2012 23:10

Manorama is owned by KL christists.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 01 Jan 2013 05:50

X post

Church now has visa power!

Church now has visa power!

By Sandhya Jain on December 31, 2012

Has the UPA Government covertly given foreign missionaries a free hand to proselytise and convert ‘heathens’ in India? Persons seeking passport services in November 2012 were startled to discover that, without any discussion in Parliament or in public, the UPA Government has quietly relaxed restrictions on the entry and stay of foreign missionaries coming to the country. These restrictions were enforced on the recommendations of the Niyogi Commission, appointed to investigate the activities of missionaries in Madhya Pradesh, which submitted its report to the Union Government in 1956.

This backdoor act has set alarm bells ringing in many quarters. The news is true. The missionary visa is issued to those going to India “for a religious purpose”. It takes up to three months to process, and the duration of stay is decided by the Government of India, which means it is open to discretion!

A visit to the passport office website and visa service clearly states, at Item 17: Missionary Visa: Visa to foreign missionaries, other than those holding ‘No objection to return to India Endorsements’, are granted only after clearance by concerned Ministry/ Department in India.

This is further clarified in Item 24: Registration: Foreigners entering India on Student visa, Employment visa, Research visa, Missionary visa valid for more than 180 days are required to get themselves registered with the concerned Foreigners Registration Office within 14 days of their arrival in India. Foreigners holding any other type of visa valid for more than 180 days do not require registration if the period of their stay in India on each visit is less than 180 days. However, they must register themselves within 180 days of arrival if the period of their continuous stay exceeds 180 days. For more details, see the website of MHA or Bureau of Immigration (http://www.immigrationindia.nic.in).

It is also learnt that the Government has decided to end the requirement for Protected Area Permit (PAP) needed by foreigners visiting Manipur, Mizoram and Nagaland, three States where the Church is well entrenched since the colonial era, and where the missionaries want to expand the separatist agenda.

It is pertinent that the website of the Ministry of Home Affairs does not mention the ‘Missionary Visa’ at all. Nor does the Foreigners Regional Registration Office (FRRO) where foreigners must register themselves if staying beyond 180 days, mention the Missionary visa. This is revealed only in the passport section, and is thus not known to the public at large, but word would have been spread through the international network of the church. The consular services of the Indian missions abroad would have received instructions regarding the processing of Missionary visa.

The creation of a special category of visa for missionaries may legitimately be considered as official patronage for Christian conversions in India. This violates the constitutional provision that the state would have no religion, and would treat all citizens as equal without discrimination on grounds of caste, religion, gender, or any other reason. The missionary visa in effect makes India a country where the state – or at least the regime of the day – has declared Christianity as a state-promoted and favoured religion, which has to be privileged even in violation of the Constitution and the nation’s foundational ethos.

Hitherto, foreign missionaries have entered India by the back door, on tourist visas, and have been deported if caught preaching or proselytizing, as this is contrary to the stated objectives of their visa. Foreigners who joined the missionary-directed protests at Kudankulam nuclear plant were also rounded up and swiftly deported on grounds of violating their visa protocol.

Now, however, the Indian Government is offering a carte blanche for foreign missionaries to undertake conversion activities with impunity. All that the various church denominations have to do is ensure a regular stream of padris to avail of the Missionary visas on continuous basis, and thus the respective churches can have an unending supply of foreign missionaries to enthrall their target audiences. This is bound to ensure higher funding of Indian missions by foreign agencies engaged in proselytisation.

It is truly astonishing that despite so many brutal experiences with missionaries, most notably in the north eastern states and Orissa, where two respected sadhus, Swami Shanti Kali and Swami Laxmanananda, were gunned down with AK-47 rifles for resisting conversions, not to mention the painful legacy of the Goa Inquisition, the UPA sees fit to encourage missionaries to descend upon India and convert vulnerable groups. Politically, the entry of foreign missionaries also has the potential to destabilize the districts and state where missionaries operate, as has been seen in several places.

The missionary visa is nothing but a blatant attack on India’s foundational ethos, civilisational integrity, and Hindu community which is the target of missionary machinations. It assaults the fundamental right of the Hindu community not to be trespassed upon by evangelists and to practice their native faith in peace and dignity.

In sharp contrast to its solicitude towards Christian missionaries, the UPA’s attitude towards the Hindu community is best gauged from the attempt to impose the draconian Prevention of Communal and Targeted Violence (Access to Justice and Reparations) Bill, 2011.

One wonders if the haste to encourage missionaries to descend upon India has anything to do with the well known rejection of Christianity in large parts of the Western world

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 Jan 2013 06:56

pgbhat wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 825645.cms
. . . police issued a "quit India" notice to the American human rights activist, asking him to leave India as early as possible.

What is this 'as early as possible' ? He should have been arrested and then put on a plane back to his home country.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 Jan 2013 07:06

Kerala Congress Govt fights with Karnataka on the issue of its notorious Maudany

The State government would seek another detailed report on People’s Democratic Party (PDP) leader Abdul Nasir Maudany’s health from the Karnataka government.

Briefing reporters after a high-level meeting held here on Monday to discuss what more should be done to ensure proper medical care for the PDP leader, Chief Minister Oommen Chandy said he would take up the issue with Karnataka Chief Minister Jagadish Shettar when he meets him on January 3 to discuss the row over the ban on night travel through the Bandipur National Park.

The meeting, convened at the instance of the PDP leadership, was attended by Home Minister Thiruvanchoor Radhakrishnan, Revenue Minster Adoor Prakash, Health Minister V.S. Sivakumar, besides medical experts. The experts were of the view that on the face of it, the PDP leader was being provided appropriate medical care. Karnataka, the Chief Minister pointed out, had sent a detailed report on the medical care being provided to Mr. Maudany stating that this was the best in the country.

Mr. Chandy said the government had decided to look into the matter afresh as the PDP leadership had not found Karnataka government’s report satisfactory. The government would examine their views and see how best it could ensure the best medical care for Mr. Maudany, he said.

PDP demand

Talking to reporters after emerging from the meeting, PDP working chairman Poonthura Siraj termed the Karnataka government’s report ‘fabricated’ and said his party wanted Mr. Maudany to be brought to Kerala and lodged in one of the jails in the State.

There is a dangerous 'Justice for Maudany (or Madani)' movement in Kerala. There is a competitive demand among the political parties in that state for 'saving' Maudany.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 01 Jan 2013 07:34

Zimble onle... Madani can try to escape the police escart and killed in the ensuing encounter.

If needed, the police constable can be suspended for a month.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 01 Jan 2013 10:16

ramana wrote:All that is old hat and his religious obligation. If Ind Muj grievance is Nizami related then the remedy is different than what is currently prescribed:vote bank appeasement.

Folks - I'm looking for articles or sources that go into the death tolls and the murderous campaigns run by the razaakrs in Hyderabad?

TIA.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 01 Jan 2013 11:23

SSridhar wrote:Kerala Congress Govt fights with Karnataka on the issue of its notorious Maudany
Talking to reporters after emerging from the meeting, PDP working chairman Poonthura Siraj termed the Karnataka government’s report ‘fabricated’ and said his party wanted Mr. Maudany to be brought to Kerala and lodged in one of the jails in the State.
There is a dangerous 'Justice for Maudany (or Madani)' movement in Kerala. There is a competitive demand among the political parties in that state for 'saving' Maudany.

He seems to a superstar in TN, in coimbatore blasts case which killed 48 people, DMK govt completly weakened the case against him and gave him ayurvedic treatment.

I hope these sort of behaviour bites the seculars one day.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 01 Jan 2013 22:30

See how Asaduddin Owaisi Abuses police inspectors.

MP Asaduddin Owaisi beats hindu voters with a stick

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 01 Jan 2013 23:07

where are the gatekeepers of JLN's legacy? those who warn us that mere questioning of him and his Constitution will guarantee us a violent "response"...where are they? after all, they should also defend the Owaisi legacy, b/c the Owaisi dogs are one of the direct consequences of JLN's actions, if the defenders know their history...

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 02 Jan 2013 00:27

^ Devesh garu,

The constipationalists do not talk. They just give sermons. One gentlemen questions a BJP leader's candidacy because he is not acceptable to the Owaisy type secular leaders

Anyways, a pundit once proclaimed that Islam is not an unifying farse and somehow the Muslims living across the Redcliff Lane are terrorists and the Muslims living this side of it are deshabhakts. Another pundit added that eventhough half of India is given up for Muslims of united India, the Muslims of divided india deserve equal status and first right on Indian resources.

And Indian Muslims are happy praying for their compatriot

jamwal wrote:Prayers for Ajmal Kasab at mosque in Kerala
Kochi: Police have launched an investigation into the offering of prayers at a mosque here for Ajmal Kasab, who was hanged for carrying out the Mumbai terror attack in 2008.

The prayers were reportedly offered by an imam on November 23 after the Friday namaz at the mosque at nearby Trikkakara. After the namaz, prayers were offered for departed souls and the priest had reportedly included the name of Kasab.

When the incident leaked out, police began a probe and questioned the mosque's authorities and those who had participated in the prayers.

The managing committee of the mosque removed the imam from the post after learning about the incident, committee sources said.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 02 Jan 2013 03:13

Shady hawala operator Abishek verma is son of Congress MP Srikanth Verma

Zohal Hamid is my rakhi sister, says Abhishek Verma

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... eena-verma

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 02 Jan 2013 03:18

For UPA, IPS officer with 3 Swiss bank accounts is the right candidate for post of Delhi commissioner

http://www.theweekendleader.com/Headlin ... -cop-.html

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 02 Jan 2013 08:30

http://t.co/adjMmLjp - 5 BN USD worth of US Bonds seized from one broker in Coimbatore - Fake or real?

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 02 Jan 2013 14:00

SSridhar wrote:Apart from these places, there are other pockets such as Malappuram, Coimbatore and Tirunelveli where very extremist Mussalman are active.

Malappuram Dt, parts of Kozhikode Dt. were hot beds of Islamic terrorism for quite some time. The first riots happened in the early 1800s. And it seems there were sporadic riots even after that. The most widely reported one was the 1921 riots, which also saw the most heavy repurcussions. I have been reading one book after another on this riot. One thing I could consistenly make out was that all authors do accept that religious atrocities were commited (with Hindus being the victims, plus a few Christians also added in)*. Even today the religious hatred shown in these riots remain hidden.

So much so that minority religious extremism would most likely would be still prevalent here. After all thanks to these historians the image any wannabe extremist would like to see would be that his predecessors were only involved in freedom struggle.

* Most of these books were written (by Hindus) during the post-Independence period. The sentiments of the authors were more anti-British. Their focus was always on throwing the British out, and so the cruelty of the Mopillah fanatics towards native Hindu population is heavily down-played. BTW, here is a web site which talks about these riots in a purely 'non-secular/non-conventional' angle (http://1921lahala.com/).

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Jan 2013 22:49

Sachin, Does the name Rutherford come up in those books?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 02 Jan 2013 23:00

In Mumbai, 'Chhota Pakistan' on electricity bills causes controversy

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/in-mu ... rsy-312553

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 03 Jan 2013 06:47

How come the Awaisi speech is still on social media?? isn't it against their policies??

How come GOI has not asked for this to removed??

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 03 Jan 2013 09:20

Drug epidemic grips India’s Punjab state

Being a border state this can be a low level preparation for some things to come in the near future.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 03 Jan 2013 10:51

ramana wrote:Sachin, Does the name Rutherford come up in those books?

Did not notice that, but would double check. The names which come up often are Thomas who was the District Collector and Executive Magistrate for Kozhikode Dt (of British Malabar), and that of Hitchcock who was the District Superindent of Police. He was the person who raised the Malabar Special Police. There are references to Connolly (who laid the Connolly water canals) another Dist. Collector who was killed by Mopillah fanatics earlier. The names of the Chin-Kachin and Gorkha Military units also comes up often. The tone in both the books were that of a "big whine"

. It was after these two hill-faring units arrived that Mopillahs got their sorry bottoms kicked for good.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Jan 2013 11:45

Maudany, a victim of witch-hunt, says CPI(M) - The Hindu

Abdul Nazir Maudany, the jailed People’s Democratic Party leader from Kerala, is a victim of the witch-hunt by Bharatiya Janata Party, Communist Party of India (Marxist) Polit Bureau member M.A. Baby said.

Mr. Maudany has been charged under various sections of the Unlawful Activities Prevention Act in connection with the Bangalore serial blasts case and has been in judicial custody since August 2010. Speaking to The Hindu after visiting the ailing PDP leader at the Parappana Agrahara Central Jail here on Wednesday, Mr. Baby said there is a massive conspiracy behind charging Mr. Maudany of abetting terrorist activities.

He referred to an expose by a magazine whose investigations showed that some of the evidence presented by the Karnataka police was fabricated. “Instead of countering the findings of the magazine, the Karnataka government and the police have initiated criminal proceedings against the reporter,” he said.

Mr. Baby also sought to highlight the PDP leader’s failing health, saying, “I found him to be very weak.” Mr. Maudany’s right leg, which was amputated after a failed assassination bid by an alleged RSS activist in 1992, is causing him excruciating pain, Mr. Baby said.

He added that Mr. Maudany is diabetic and rapidly losing his sight. “That was not the case when he was first arrested by the [Karnataka] police. Who is responsible for his present condition?” he sought to know. He said Mr. Maudany’s nose was badly inflamed. “This is a grave human rights violation,” he said calling for immediate medical attention for Mr. Maudany.

Mr. Baby said that the court had permitted Mr. Maudany to seek medical attention at his own expense, but had barred any of his family members from attending to him in hospital. “The man cannot even answer nature’s call without assistance. This order of the court is impractical,” he said.

Calling for special medical attention for Mr. Maudany, Mr. Baby also said that the Kerala government should take immediate steps to assist the incarcerated leader and coordinate with their counterparts in Karnataka.

Another visitor

Lok Sabha member and Indian Union Muslim League leader E.T. Mohammed Basheer also visited Mr. Maudany in jail on Wednesday. “His [health] situation is pathetic. He is almost completely blind. The medical report shows that his eyesight was lost due to lapses in treatment,” he said, addressing a press conference later. Mr. Basheer said he submitted memorandum to Chief Minister Jagadish Shettar and Governor H.R. Bhardwaj in this connection.

sum · Post by **sum** » 03 Jan 2013 11:48

^^ The more i read this thread, the lesser my hope for the future of this country remains.

Truely grim days ahead with no light in sight.

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 03 Jan 2013 12:11

Rarely will you see something like this in Indian Media. Have to praise Rajdeep on this one.
http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/313549/is- ... tions.html

And usual Arnab is excellent: (Its a 3 part show)
http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Divisive- ... 418028.cms

Great NDTV is all silent.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 03 Jan 2013 13:50

Kasab prayer at Kerala- probe update

January 3, 2013

Kerala becoming a radical state has been discussed time and again. The latest incident to show how a section of the people are becoming radical involves an Intelligence Bureau probe into an incident in which prayers were held for 26/11 terrorist Ajmal Kasab who was hanged recently.

Before getting into the details of the probe conducted by the state IB, here is what happened. An imam at a Mosque at Trikkakara in Kerala had offered prayers for Ajmal Kasab two days after he had been hanged at the Yerawada jail in Pune.

The prayer was held for some dead persons and one of the names that figured in these prayers were that of Ajmal Kasab. The Committee of the Mosque immediately removed the imam from his job once the probe into the incident began.

The probe is on said an Intelligence Bureau official from Kerala. There were only a few persons who remained at the Mosque at the time this prayer was offered. It was obvious that the imam and some of the people did not want this to become an issue and hence they waited for many of the persons in the Mosque to leave before they could offer prayers to Ajmal Kasab.

There are very many radical elements spread across Kerala. While some genuinely hero worship the Pakistan based militants there are many others who spew communal hate due to political factors, the IB says. There have been incidents where cadres from the Kerala have joined the Lashkar-e-Tayiba in their fight at Kashmir.

What the IB tried to ascertain at first was whether this incident was in any ways connected to other incidents that had taken place in the past couple of years. When Osama Bin Laden was killed there were posters mourning his death. During the hate campaign that was launched leading to the Assam exodus there were some who were found to be part of it. There are regular training camps outside some Mosques in Kerala which have been found to be violent in nature.

Each of these are incidents which have been carried out by different individuals. Our probe does not reveal a dedicated outfit which is driving all these incidents. In this case it was the imam who chose to offer prayers suo motu and he was not guided by any group in particular. We have found such radicals who have tried to spread hate through their speeches. It is unfortunate that this imam chose to do so through a prayer in the Mosque. The idea was to instill a changed mindset and even though there were not many takers, he was still able to have at least 20 people in that Mosque listening to what he had to say and worse support his cause.

The IB says that they have asked people to report such incidents so that it could be nipped in the bud. These persons are trying to attract the younger generation and it has been found that in many cases that they have blindly followed what they say. We have not found any instances of Lashkar camps being opened up as a result of such a brain wash programme. However if this continues to take place more often, then we are playing with danger as the mind set is being changed.

The IB however points out that the situation is much better when compared to what it was two years back. The heat has been stepped up on such individuals who are trying to spread the message of hate. There was absolutely no debate or discussion in the wake of Ajaml Kasab’s hanging. However this imam chose to make it an issue and very subtly tried to convey the message urging support to such persons through a prayer.

However during the questioning of the imam it was revealed that he had no such intention. Prayers were being offered to many persons who had died. He got his punishment and now that he has died a prayer was offered. There is nothing more to it, the imam had said.

The Kerala police however said that it an anti national act as the person in question had waged a war against India We would like to ensure that a punishment is meted out. There is a need to act and also punish such persons so that it becomes a deterrent and the society at large does not change as a result of such actions, a Kerala police official who is part of the probe informed.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 Jan 2013 20:48

^ it is the logical progression of any society where Muslims/Christians become majority in an Indian state. We have seen this in JK, North Eastern states and now Kerala.

It is all (sic) secular progression only.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 03 Jan 2013 21:31

devesh wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag1f3LV-EUY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkGHJ6GUF6U

the above 2 links are working. can we download them?

All the videos of Owasi's speech have been removed from YouTube.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 03 Jan 2013 21:38

sum · Post by **sum** » 03 Jan 2013 22:16

RamaY wrote:^ it is the logical progression of any society where Muslims/Christians become majority in an Indian state. We have seen this in JK, North Eastern states and now Kerala.

It is all (sic) secular progression only.

I wish that every "secular" in this country and certainly many members within this forum itself spend a month within a ghetto( is there in virtually every city now) inhabited by a "certain community" and then do a before and after impression survey.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 03 Jan 2013 23:29

Home Ministry ordered 10k wire taps in last 90 days, orders tapping of 1300 email ids

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 874785.cms

sum · Post by **sum** » 03 Jan 2013 23:39

During the last 90 days, most requests for surveillance came from the Intelligence Bureau, followed by the Narcotics Control Bureau, Directorate of Revenue Intelligence, Army's Signals Intelligence Directorate, State Intelligence units followed by Police Departments of Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra.

Why does Army MI Signals unit require MHA sanction? Also, do the "political snooping" activities of the IB and other state level units also go this route or they are without paper trail?

Who approves the requests of RAW since it doesnt seem to figure here?

Sridhar · Post by **Sridhar** » 04 Jan 2013 00:36

Since RAW is not tasked with any duties within the country (including counter espionage, for which IB has the mandate), it has no authority to request electronic surveillance within the country. That is the legal position.

dnivas · Post by **dnivas** » 04 Jan 2013 02:01

Sumeet wrote:Rarely will you see something like this in Indian Media. Have to praise Rajdeep on this one.
http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/313549/is- ... tions.html

Great NDTV is all silent.

never heard of Mr Najeeb Jung before. what a great Indian.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 04 Jan 2013 02:34

dnivas wrote: never heard of Mr Najeeb Jung before. what a great Indian.

There are You Tube Videos of him on his visit to Pakistan where he tells Paki about their status as the Demented Scums of the Earth . I think he was invited by the think tank going by the name of Founding Qaddoo E Haazam of the Excreatia of South Asia .

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 04 Jan 2013 04:13

Jihadis of the World, Unite in Kochi

Made me go WTF??

If this was a Bollywood or Tollywood movie of the 80s, our Hero, with Heroine and sidekick, will provide the dance entertainment - after taking care of the original entertainment party. Spike the drinks of the "delegates" (who will all speak Hindi/Tamil, even though they are from Saudi Barbaria). Then have a grand finale fight. Police will arrive at the end, on cue.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Jan 2013 04:56

samajwadi Party is considered a dynastic party of Mullhayam Yadav. How come MIM is not labelled as a dynastic party when its founder and leaders are all father and sons?
Its honored as a Muslim party when in fact its another version of dynasty politics.