Delhi Rape Victim Dies-Express your outrage.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Jan 2013 00:18

IndraD, The Outlook in a secular fit decided to name the perpetrator "Rahul".
And they note named changed!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Jan 2013 00:27

varunkumar, I say this again. These type of crimes are not first time offenders. And the robbing passengers by enticing them with low fares on off duty times, I bet the owner too has knowledge.
And over all someone in DP knows whats going on and had a polciy of benign neglect.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Jan 2013 00:43

Looks like the Charge sheet names all six accused based on DNA evidence. So they were alos liars who claimed to be just part of the gang.

Meanwhile this was missed

Two ACPs were suspended

Traffic and Control Room.
DCPs are being interviewed.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Jan 2013 00:50

Is the bus operator Dinesh Yadav the true owner or a benaami/front person?

IOW who really owns the bus service? It appears to have a lot of important contracts like transporting school children etc.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Jan 2013 01:09

More to be outraged about:

Kerala Police to probe fake picture uplinked in social media

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 04 Jan 2013 01:12

Could we please NOT bring and compare (a) foreign sources and (b) compare statistics with other countries in this thread.
Not only is not relevant to this thread, it tends to spawn parallel discussions.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 04 Jan 2013 01:22

^^^^
It is known in some circles that the transport vehicles are hand in glove with politicans. the politicans then make the police turn a blind eye.
cases have been filed against Sheila Dixit son however nothing has come of it. he is still raoming free. Sheila is "ok" with it. No efforts to curb the crimes in Delhi.
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krisna · Post by **krisna** » 04 Jan 2013 01:45

in India the conviction rate in rape cases is around 25-26% better than other crimes.

In western countries rape conviction is worse than India.

surprised me (considering that perceptions including many posters) that western countries are far better in these issues.

ex-- unkil is around 17%
ukstan is the worst of all around 7-8%

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child marriage definition states that union between a girl less than age 18. It can formal or not (thru marraige).
all the statistics are from developing countries across the world except the middle east, china and western countries.

Considering the prevalence of teenage pregnancy in western countries (rape per unicef) why are they not clubbed with the child marrriage as they do in india and Africa etc.
They also have "better" data collection we can have better studies to improve the lives of all women all over the world.

It is different for whites and non whites.

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 04 Jan 2013 01:52

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/0 ... _ref=world

Bikram Singh Brahma, Assam Congress Member Accused Of Rape, Stripped And Publicly Beaten By Indian Women (VIDEO)

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 04 Jan 2013 01:59

Don't let noise become the voice
Abhishek Singhvi

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed ... 84604.aspx

Sanjay · Post by **Sanjay** » 04 Jan 2013 02:12

Krisna, nothing you have said is wrong.

Unfortunately, nothing regarding the prevalence of rape and low convictions in the US and UK or elsewhere and the under-reporting therein helps Indian women feel safer.

Without in any way disputing a certain bias in reporting and analysis, it is undeniably true that women do get better first response in respect of their interaction with the police in the West.

Rape aside, women do not face the same degree of sexual harassment and molestation that they do in India (urban India I suspect) in the West. I would note that Korea and Japan are different and women do face many problems there.

Comparative statistics and views may be important to cool our ire against undoubtedly racist and biased coverage.

However, there is a problem that India has to confront without any more delay.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 Jan 2013 02:22

If the minor is 17, I would say, it is outrageous to pardon him, since he is the number one rapist and murderer in the gang. We can review who is a minor etc.. many states in USA has different age limits for being minor. Well, that is all for marrying purposes and other scheme of things.. but not for crime. For crimes, any teen should be aged enough to be punished.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 04 Jan 2013 02:50

Hope they are not using minor as main culprit to provide escape route from death penalty for the rest of the rascals.

Sanjay · Post by **Sanjay** » 04 Jan 2013 02:53

No suggestion of that yet. On the legal front, there is too much we don't know and it is correct that the prosecution is being careful with this minor creature.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 04 Jan 2013 02:55

krisna wrote:in India the conviction rate in rape cases is around 25-26% better than other crimes.

In western countries rape conviction is worse than India. surprised me (considering that perceptions including many posters) that western countries are far better in these issues.

ex-- unkil is around 17%
ukstan is the worst of all around 7-8%

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child marriage definition states that union between a girl less than age 18. It can formal or not (thru marraige).
all the statistics are from developing countries across the world except the middle east, china and western countries.

Considering the prevalence of teenage pregnancy in western countries (rape per unicef) why are they not clubbed with the child marrriage as they do in india and Africa etc.
They also have "better" data collection we can have better studies to improve the lives of all women all over the world.

It is different for whites and non whites.

I dont know how true those figures are. They sound a bit dodgy but anyhow.

The point I would like to make is that, even if India has a 25% conviction rate, its still LOWER in actual terms compared to developed countries because:
First, these hardly go to trial in india (so lets say 1000 are reported, probably only 200-250 go to court if at all), those that go generally are more "serious" i.e involving violence as well.
Second, the courts are SOOOOO slow, its almost always a case of 'justice delayed, justice denied'.

SaiK wrote:If the minor is 17, I would say, it is outrageous to pardon him, since he is the number one rapist and murderer in the gang. We can review who is a minor etc.. many states in USA has different age limits for being minor. Well, that is all for marrying purposes and other scheme of things.. but not for crime. For crimes, any teen should be aged enough to be punished.

The sikularists have named him "rahul" .. how convenient!

He should NOT be tried as a minor. He seems to have inflicted the most damage. Moreover, if he is old enough to do the crime, hes old enough to do the time. Treat him like the others and execute them all!

Sanjay · Post by **Sanjay** » 04 Jan 2013 02:59

Shonu, on page 14 I posted some comparative statistics factoring under-reporting.

The conviction rate may not be lower at all - even with under-reporting.

The chargesheeting rate is pretty good in India (for what is reported) but compared to that the conviction rate is embarrassing.

All said and done - too many bad things happening to women. What happens elsewhere is cold comfort to Indian victims/survivors.

Introspection and change in attitude are very important.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 04 Jan 2013 03:04

OMG!

Delhi gang-rape case: Chargesheet seeks death for 5 accused, leaves out minor
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 878218.cms

India has become Rapistan. Disgusting.

Sanjay · Post by **Sanjay** » 04 Jan 2013 03:05

Shonu, the minor needs to be dealt with separately and I do not know too many places that would allow the death penalty.

Sad fact - the law allows a minor to escape the ultimate sentence.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 04 Jan 2013 03:30

Sanjay wrote:Krisna, nothing you have said is wrong.

Unfortunately, nothing regarding the prevalence of rape and low convictions in the US and UK or elsewhere and the under-reporting therein helps Indian women feel safer.

Without in any way disputing a certain bias in reporting and analysis, it is undeniably true that women do get better first response in respect of their interaction with the police in the West.

Rape aside, women do not face the same degree of sexual harassment and molestation that they do in India (urban India I suspect) in the West. I would note that Korea and Japan are different and women do face many problems there.

Comparative statistics and views may be important to cool our ire against undoubtedly racist and biased coverage.

However, there is a problem that India has to confront without any more delay.

Thanks sanjay,
I mentioned just to highlight that as long as men are present in presence of women, rapes and harassment of women will occur irrespective of society/culture etc.
This is worldwide problem, unfortunately well meaning Indians and journalists of all shades including west selectively target few.

It is also disconcerting that same problems of women are highlighted little differently amongst white and non whites.
easy punching bag for Indians by selective discrimination.

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whatever it is, women should have safety wherever they are and whatever they do.
today it is the poor girl tomorrow it may be our own family member.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 04 Jan 2013 03:53

sum wrote:
Taking the aggression out of masculinity

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/t ... 266007.ece
Wanted to post the same!

My eyes virtually fell out of their sockets when i saw this in today's print edition. Wonder if Poor Swami Vivekananda had dreamt that posing for a photograph would have him labelled as Hindu communalist showing his masculinity a century later!

The bilge is not surprising, considering that its the Chindu. There is much outrage on Twitter: check out @rvaidya2000, for example. There is going to be a protest outside the Chindu office tomorrow + there is an online petition at https://www.change.org/petitions/the-hi ... ivekananda

Do participate if you can

The douche-bag author Sanjay Srivastava is a prof at a Institute of Economic Growth (which sounds like a Stink Tank or Quasi-NGO). Its website's FCRA declaration states the sources of foreign funds. Something worth investigating. Kanchan Gupta states that its funded by our tax money. I am not sure

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 04 Jan 2013 03:56

Sanjay wrote:Shonu, the minor needs to be dealt with separately and I do not know too many places that would allow the death penalty.

Sad fact - the law allows a minor to escape the ultimate sentence.

Which means he needs to be dealt street justice

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 Jan 2013 04:06

How about charge and sentence on the minor holds the same as the others, but only delay his execution till he becomes adult? Justice to some level, which is better than nothing.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 04 Jan 2013 04:10

SaiK wrote:How about charge and sentence on the minor holds the same as the others, but only delay his execution till he becomes adult? Justice to some level, which is better than nothing.

I like it. will the powers that wield it do it.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 04 Jan 2013 04:38

Wont work. The restraint is two-fold: (a) Execution of a minor (b) Does a minor know the full implications of what he/she is doing

Even if you delay the execution, you are solving only (a). (b) is the criteria for determining the extent of punishment. That's why the Muslim juvenile-rapist-murderer gets to walk

Sanjay · Post by **Sanjay** » 04 Jan 2013 05:31

Prem-Kumar, if he is 17, (b) will not be relevant. He has not walked yet. What is the case is he is not being tried as an adult.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Jan 2013 05:57

Two reports in Times of India on the bus owner(s):

Did govt really cancel permit of the bus?

NEW DELHI: The transport department's claim that it had "cancelled" the permit of the bus used in the Nirbhaya gang rape came under scrutiny on Friday after police hinted the bus may not have had a valid permit at the time. A day after the rape, the CM herself had announced that the bus' permit had been cancelled.

The traffic police have dug up court records to show the same bus was impounded thrice each in 2011 and 2012. When it was last impounded — on July 21 this year — it was being driven by Ram Singh, the main accused in the gang rape case. "When our men asked for the permit papers and the fitness certificate, he could produce neither. Later, bus owner Dinesh Yadav sent Ram Singh to court to pay the fine of Rs 2,200 and get the bus released. But Singh could not produce either document in court," said an officer.

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Joint commissioner of police (traffic) Satyendra Garg fired the first salvo on Friday, using the traffic police's Facebook page to highlight how the bus had repeatedly returned to the road over the last two years.

"Bus involved in ghastly gang rape had been challaned eight times and impounded six times in the years 2011 and 2012. Could harsher penalty structure have prevented this inhuman crime: Well, on 21st July 2012 the most infamous man in the country, Ram Singh, the prime accused in this gang rape case, was apprehended by traffic police doing exactly the same violations which he did on the fateful day, namely, picking up passengers unauthorizedly in the same chartered bus (DL1PC 0149) and the bus was impounded,'' said Garg. Sources said the bus' permit had expired on March 8.

The bus was impounded this year on February 14, May 18 and July 21. Last year, it was impounded on March 18, May 21 and November 30.

and an op-ed in ablog....

A distant view

There are some simple truths not being given enough exposure lately. And they will take much more than a blog post. But still, one tries?

# Which political leader, civil servant, police officer, media-person or religious figurehead, female, has accepted female drivers, commandos or security guards, when the same was offered to them?

# Why are private buses and taxiis in and around the National Capital Region (NCR, Delhi, Uttar Pradesh, Haryana and Rajasthan) so profitable and therefore a cash cow for the above categories?

# And how are the two points above linked to the worsening subjugation of women in and around the NCR, what are the economic reasons behind this?

Because, eventually, it is always about money. Money begets power. And more.

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Here's an input from the Delhi Traffic Police, reproduced faithfully:-

""BUS INVOLVED IN GHASTLY GANG RAPE HAD BEEN CHALLANNED 8 TIMES AND IMPOUNDED 6 TIMES IN YEARS 2011 AND 2012. COULD HARSHER PENALTY STRUCTURE PREVENTED THIS INHUMAN CRIME: Well, on 21st July 2012 the most infamous man in the country, Ram Singh, the prime accused in this gang rape case, was apprehended by traffic police doing EXACTLY THE SAME VIOLATION WHICH HE DID ON THE FATEFUL DAY NAMELY picking up passengers unauthorisedly in the same Chartered bus, DL1PC 0149 involved in gang-rape and bus was impounded. At the time of offence bus HAD NO LEGAL PERMIT TO RUN ON CITY ROADS, HAD NO FITNESS CERTIFICATE FOR THE VEHICLE. When the bus was hauled up before the court for these offences, the transporter Dinesh Yadav and driver Ram Singh were fined 2,200 Rs. for violations and vehicle was ordered to be released to now infamous Dinesh Yadav. Similarly this vehicle was impounded on 5 more occasions for similar violations in 2011 and 2012 and each time fines of a few thousand were imposed on transporter and vehicle released to the transporter. In my view we should have a system in place where vehicle which are plying without permit, do not have fitness certificate, picks up passengers unauthorisedly should not go back to the violators who must be made to undergo harsher penalties. Satyendra Garg, Joint CP Traffic.""

Can anybody for a moment even think that the bus-owner and those behind him were not aware of what happened with this bus uptil and until the time the culprits were tracked down and caught? Word is that the staff on this bus had gone back, bragged about the episode, and were told to wash the bus and keep quiet about it.

Why is this aspect not being investigated?

Because, the truth will really, really, upset a lot of apple-carts. So, better to pit the public against the Delhi Police?
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It is very easy to beat the Delhi Police for all the ills that we face in and around Delhi. It is also very easy to forget and not be grateful for the simple truth that it was the rank and file staff of the Delhi Police who, without any ambulances available, picked up in a PCR vehicle, these two almost dead young people from the ditch they were lying in as the "public" gaped without doing anything, and managed to get them across to the Emergency centre of Safdarjung Hospital.

Think about it. Same public now baying for the blood of the Delhi Police, original issues either forgotten or not understood, who is raping who?

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Public transport by road in and around Delhi is highly complicated. Delhi is surrounded by Uttar Pradesh and Haryana. On some sectors, road traffic operating between UP and Haryana has to go through Delhi. With the urban, residential, commercial and industrial threads of life now having moved well beyond Delhi's borders, we can now also add Rajasthan to the melting pot.

But, each State has its own State Transport Authorities, and each State uses these entities as revenue generating bodies. Social good, if any, is relegated to the background.

Private transport tends to flow through seamlessly, most of the times, though even that is being squeezed. Public transport, however, is the cash cow. Where the Delhi Metro does manage to cross over a State border, like for Ghaziabad and NOIDA, there is some semblance of choice. Where trains operate, the reality for women is often so bad, that specific "Ladies Special" trains have to be operated. But for the rest, it is only by bus, and this is where the root of the bus mafia lies.

The bus mafia operates on patronage. Not just political. The official rates and procedures for buses from one state crossing into the other are extremely cumbersome and expensive. So, very simply and briefly put, the complete "system" of privately operated public transport on the roads of the NCR is criminalised from the first step onwards.

And this criminalisation can not happen without the support of the assorted pillars of governance we have.

Who, by their simple truths, do not want to see women rise up and share power. Because that is what the whole game is about. Regardless of token figureheads who happen to be women - but are well and truly intricately woven into the fabric of male supremacy for reasons of. Money.

Go back to the first sentence of this article, blog post, please?

Methinks once a month, till matters improve, men of all sorts should not be permitted to operate any form of motor vehicle in Delhi. Nothing would get the message across more that matters need to change. Top down.

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While ordinary women can not get to protest about gangrapes and worse outside the President of India's office and residence, there is this circular and office order up on the Rashtrapati Bhavan website, and how much more sadly ironic does it get?

He has more blog posts on the matter.

Link them as appropriate.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 Jan 2013 06:10

Yes, trying him as an adult is important for the sentence.. and the practical aspects of the punishments could be dealt by the age aspects (and the reason I was thinking of delaying the punishment.. but then, sentence takes priority and not the age related plea to say, I did not know then since I was a kid).

The punishment is the for the act, and not for the age. Better know it kid! who taught you that? Even a life imprisonment makes no sense, since we would find a future prathiba patil, and would release him to do more crime.

And we need a new definition of kid, that does not go by age for crimes of this nature. Please remember he just did not rape, or just did not hit someone to kill, but raped, actually killed her slow, and brutal by pulling out her intestines. Now which kid will do that?

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 04 Jan 2013 06:35

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/delh ... 40665.html

they need to find papers (through forensic experts) which cast doubt about the validity of such tests and conclude he may not be juvenile, in which case he possibly could be tried as an adult.
otherwise mob justice is the only way out when he walks free.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 04 Jan 2013 07:39

Shonu wrote:The sikularists have named him "rahul" .. how convenient!

He should NOT be tried as a minor. He seems to have inflicted the most damage.

Wow! Maybe they are picking on the fact that the real life "Rahul" was accused of gang-raping a woman as well.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 04 Jan 2013 07:47

veraji, that gang-rape allegation is allegation only. All sorts of things have been said, depending on who your hear. A rightwing fringe says the whole episode was fabricated to show the clown price as straight only. Who knows anyway.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 04 Jan 2013 08:23

from facebook

I am assuming the guy in fotu is Honey Singh.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 04 Jan 2013 08:24

^^ Some people are saying this is a fake photo. ??

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 04 Jan 2013 08:26

I many states,the Ministers of Transport usually have had some connection with pvt. transport operators.Many years ago,I was hit from behind by a bus,with the driver having no licence. I filed a case,nothing happened! Most transport bus owners have very strong political connections or own the companies themselves through benamis.This is why the state of many buses are in infringement of the MV act and the police do not touch them because of their powerful ownership.Therefore,any 'crackdown" on buses,etc. is likely to be a farce.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 04 Jan 2013 10:07

ramana wrote:varunkumar, I say this again. These type of crimes are not first time offenders. And the robbing passengers by enticing them with low fares on off duty times, I bet the owner too has knowledge.And over all someone in DP knows whats going on and had a polciy of benign neglect.

ramana, you had asked in other thread about ownership of the transport company - well, based on my chit-chat with our transport vendor(s) in Gurgaon, it seems the large transport business in Delhi is controlled by politicians and serving cops. They facilitate getting permits and other documentations and ensuring 'hassle-free' operations when it comes to police. One of the biggest reasons for the earlier Red Line buses running amok in Delhi w/o any fear was the fact that many of them were (are) owned by policemen.

And this hafta diary has its own angle - basically, it contains the numbers and details of vehicles (buses/cars) which are being used for other purposes in addition to usage for which the permit has been given. For example, many cab operators have private number plate cars being run as cab - helps in lower taxes. But the police are in the know...they maintain a diary of with numbers of all such vehicles.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 04 Jan 2013 10:23

I’ll pull out their intestines: Brother

New Delhi: His voice choked over the phone as he began talking about his “Didi”, the 23-year-old woman who was brutally gangraped by six men in a moving bus in south Delhi on the night of December 16. His “Didi” and her friend were supposed to return home by 8 pm.

“When Didi and her friend did not turn up by 8 pm we started calling them up. But both mobiles were not reachable,” he said about that terrible night. “At 11 pm Papa got a call from the police who informed him that Didi had met with an accident. What happened was beyond our imagination,” recalled the 20-year-old brother.

“It was only in the hospital that my father saw her for the first time after the incident,” he said. The girl, the eldest sibling in the family, began crying when she saw her father. “‘Papa I did nothing wrong’” was the first sentence she uttered when her father met her in the ICU, the brother said. Suddenly there was a change in his tone as he demanded: “All we want now is that the criminals be hanged.” Then his fury erupted: “Allow me and I will pull out their intestines. That’s what they did to my Didi.”

He said their mother has “gone silent” and “has not eaten properly for so many days”. One could sense his effort to control his sobs as he added: “We cannot forget her.

Her memories keep haunting us. How do we continue with our lives when we return to Delhi?”All that the family had hoped for was a “miracle”. He said the day she was hospitalised doctors told the family her chances of survival were “slim” because of the nature of her injuries. “Hopeful till the end, in Singapore I used to keep standing near the ICU hoping and praying that she would open her eyes and talk to us,” he recalled.

Most evenings “the family got together for evening aarti (prayers). As the sun sets, the memories keep coming back,” the brother went on. Elder sister to two boys, she was a big fan of the reality show Big Boss. “The family watched Big Boss together. I would keep teasing her during the show... it’s all gone now,” he recalled. “She was such a loving and caring sister,” the brother said, breaking down.

The family lives in a one-bedroom flat on the outskirts of Delhi. “Kehti thi hamare achche din aane wale hain (She would say better times lay ahead),” the brother said. “But things turned for the worse...,” he said softly.

The brother had said that despite talk about compensation and a government job, the family has not heard anything from the Delhi government. He said that of the family’s three bighas of land, “only 30 per cent is left” since the majority was sold for his sister’s studies. “We had pinned all our hopes on her,” he added. His sister studied in Delhi and later went to Dehradun to pursue physiotherapy. “Every time I spoke to her in the hospital, Didi always said that she wanted to live. She did not want to give up. She was a fighter...” the brother said and disconnected the line.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/130104/n ... es-brother

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 04 Jan 2013 10:38

The Colonial Hangover of India’s Rape Law

http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2013 ... -rape-law/

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 04 Jan 2013 10:41

I was working in a BPO a about 5-6 years back. One of the Cab contractors who doubled up as driver due to sever shortage of drivers for BPO assignments told us how his friend circle has seen killings and how the whole system has been compromised by those higher up the food chain.

These vehicles and manpower from politician dominated villages play a part in the electoral campaigns transporting stuff/men/women/money. The Goonda elements do the big deals and they have a big coterie which is at an emotional/intellectual level similarly oriented but remain frustrated in their own Netagiri growth paths. Only difference in essence is that the bigger goonda becomes a Thekedar/Tout and these low lives become at first the molestors and eventually some become Rapists and killers.

Till this basic structuring is not understood there can hardly be any real improvement. There is a reason why DP is so pro-active in ways we have seen. There is a reason for Shiela Dixit to feel threatened. There is a reason why the high command feels that Shiela is a plausible case to take the fall for this crime.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 04 Jan 2013 10:53

Total bull$shit and DP is lying out of his teeth....they say they want permission to do bone test...didnt they said they have done it already...i will scan the news article if possible

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 04 Jan 2013 12:57

Sanjay wrote:Shonu, the minor needs to be dealt with separately and I do not know too many places that would allow the death penalty.

Sad fact - the law allows a minor to escape the ultimate sentence.

Sanjay ji

the POINT of the law is to protect the innocent and society at large. its the SPIRIT of the law and not the written law thats important. the monster was not only a rapist, he was a sadist and a murderer who enjoyed while he was slowly killing an innocent life. This is why the UK (in general) is better than the US as they try to follow the spirit of the law and not pick on technicalities.

the "juvenile" was old enough to rape and murder, yet he is young enough to be punished? what BS!

Lets not overlook the fact that he is on TECHNICALLY a juvenile in that he is 17 years 10months.. so what in 2 months he's wise enough to have not done it?? This BS is exactly why india will never progress.

Meanwhile, our great justice system is becoming swifter and more efficient!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 878262.cms

Delhi gang rape case: Juvenile may walk free in months
Smriti Singh
The juvenile accused in the Nirbhaya case is likely to escape the maximum three-year sentence and could be out in few months.

It is unfortunate that our great dharmic culture is being replaced with this "indian" culture which is nothing more than jungle culture of dog eat dog, literally.

But then again, we have such rapists, looters and murders ruling us. How can mango people expect any justice

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 04 Jan 2013 13:11

He is not Juvenile, the cops known it......