Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 05 Jan 2013 00:16

ravi ji, are you saying brahmaputra is free of catastrophic floods?

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 05 Jan 2013 00:27

No I am saying there will not be a Brahmaputra with even enough water for the North East in the time frame i mentioned. Chinese are going to divert all water for their own consumption.

The peaceful nature of Hinduism will rue the day it allowed Tibet to be subjugated.

And those who think they ought to be proud of being gang banged by the global politics should at least get to work harnessing other sources of water. Which is what NM has tried to start.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 05 Jan 2013 00:28

Actually TN would eye the Godavari excess flowing into the ocean every year. Roughly 100 MAF wasted every year. This is 8-10 times the flow of the Kaveri. There is the immense flood of 350 MAF that flows into the Arbian sea on the West coast every year but KL & KA have strong opinions on diverting that water.

That said TN is not water short. Its 35 MAF (Surface+ground) of water a year
Availability is 2 times that available to the entire state of Califonia. TN is very inefficient with its water use.

Still this is OT.
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Atri,

I have no idea what Moditva is.
Svenkat made a stab a describing what it is not.
I think that is as far as anyone is willing to go.
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ravi_g

I put it to you that the rest of India will not experience what GJ has. In GJ, Modi is unchallenged, absolute Monarch, this is simply not true elsewhere. Even AMMA with an overwhelming hand in TN has to tread lightly as opposition is all around here. TN has been able to keep relatively good administration with 2 bitterly opposed and constantly switching political groups in charge. This is IMHO a lot more sustainable and sets a better example for India.

Modi's example is that you have to diminish the opposition to succeed.

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SaiK,

Good points.
But how to you articulate that?

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 05 Jan 2013 00:30

The peaceful nature of Hinduism will rue the day it allowed Tibet to be subjugated.

Hindus will actually rue the day they accepted Nehru as their leader under moral pressure from Gandhi. The Nehru dude then went on auto-pilot, screwing their interests despite their protests. Tibet was just one of his screw-ups that was done without any consultation with the Hindus.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 05 Jan 2013 00:36

somethings that we can ignore and give up like safe keeping of ridley turtles while firing agnis, or hurting the sea water salinity by reducing the amount of river water flow into the ocean, etc. rest should be tabled and discussed.

if we focus with a holistic approach, we can find ways to satisfy all.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 05 Jan 2013 00:39

vijayk wrote:
kapilrdave wrote:People commenting against Bhagwat and RSS have absolutely no idea what RSS is and what it means to be a head of RSS. This nation has endured self hatism and disbelief largely because of RSS. As soon as they hear the word RSS people tend to think that this org is meant to divide the nation.
Sorry for OT but could not resist myself.
Kapilji

You can educate a person with no knowledge by imparting knowledge and making them see the truth.
You can educate a person with wrong knowledge and you can show him the truth and he will likely realize if he has an open mind.

But most of these sickular crooks have an agenda; they know the truth; But they have an agenda; They will jump on news by twisting the facts and lying and by putting words into others' mouths; You can't fight them with truth; They deliberately cloud things. Their goal is to muddy up things;

http://www.firstpost.com/india/bharat-v ... 78333.html
Bharat vs India: Mohanrao Bhagwat might need to go back to school

Look at this SOB ... PAID media CON agent.

1) Khairlanji: A place in Bhandara district in Maharashtra , where four members of the Bhotmange family of a lower caste was brutally massacred. The victims are Bhaiyyalal Bhotmange’s wife Surekha, his daughter Priyanka, and sons Roshan and Sudhir. Surekha and Priyanka were stripped and paraded naked before being killed in broad day light in the choupal.

Caste violence is a curse especially in villages. We have come so far but still a long way to go. Not relevant to what Bhagwat said. Bhagwat said women are treated with more respect in villages than cities. This is caste violence but he twists it.

Which Bharat was Bhagwat referring to? AFP
2) Gujarat : In 2002, hundreds of women from the Muslim community were raped and killed. Many who survived are still living the trauma. Numerous reports by human rights groups, who visited the place after the tragic genocide, are available. The following paragraph is from one such: “There is compelling evidence of sexual violence against women. These crimes against women have been grossly underreported and the exact extent of these crimes – in rural and urban areas – demands further investigation. Among the women surviving in relief camps, are many who have suffered the most bestial forms of sexual violence – including rape, gang rape, mass rape, stripping, insertion of objects into their body, stripping, molestations. A majority of rape victims have been burnt alive.”

Back to Modi baiting... What relevance has it for city vs village? Nothing... Riots are terrible and terrible things happen.

3) Dandaka Forest : This place figures in Aranya Kanda in Ramayana, the story of Bhagwat’s hero Lord Rama, the epitome of correctness and dharma. It was from here that Dravidian princess Surpanakha, the sister of Ravana (grandson of Tataka, whom Lord Rama had killed earlier), fell in love with Rama. Along with his brother Lakshmana and wife Sita, Rama humiliated her. When Surpanakha became furious, Lakshmana mutilated her, by chopping off her nose and breasts.

This is the intelligence of PAID SCUMS

4) Valmiki Ashram: In Uttara Kanda, this was the place where Lakshmana abandoned Sita at the insistence of Lord Rama after she was rescued from Lanka and her agnipariksha. Now, it is a tourist spot.
The question is what do we consider these places as. Are they city/village/forest/India/Bharat?

This is the intelligence of PAID SCUMS

I stand corrected..

This is not funny. This PAID PRESSTITUTE is not stupid.

Looks like the talking point from the sick brigade has been circulated to all their agents:

1. The PAKI SCUMBAG Mahesh Butt starts attacking Hindu temples for rape.
2. The raping goon chinese news paper "The Huindu" starts attacking Vivekanada for rapes (wonder if ITALIAN MAFIA asked these SCUMS to attack Vivekanada because of Modi's successful Vivekananda yatra in Gujarat and might start it nationally).
3. This puke uses examples of Ramayana and Uttarkanda to attack Hinduism for rape.

Looks like overall strategy is to bring up and attack Hindu beliefs on some pretext or other to blame rapes on Hindu society instead of lack of Governance by ITALIAN MAFIA.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 05 Jan 2013 00:42

Theo ji, the point about NM style of politics is well taken.

And if NM thinks he should be incharge of running Indian government then he will off course have to learn to negotiate. If OTOH he is unwilling to let go of his brand then he has to get ready to forgo his opinion about his own capabilities.

Coincidently this also goes for the BJP at the centre.

Also at the same time BJP central team will try to improve their own negotiating position by retaining their existing state governments and making a dent in the Kongi citadel elsewhere.

Lets just wait and see. Its not like NM and BJP are a bunch of idiots. One hallmark of good leaders is their ability to keep their ego under control and focus on building up their negotiating position. Since most of the negotiating is going to be in camera, people outside can begin to understand the contours of the deal only around 3-4 months prior to the general elections.

This also gives us the mango men the time to understand what possibilities NM presents to us.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 05 Jan 2013 01:13

He needs to make at least 25 modilets and their sub-modilets for each state. This is not an easy task., in the sense many of these modilets may not be part of his party. There may be common agenda on which there is an intersection of interests. If that can sorted out, and identified (which I listed in terms of basic needs for humans to live like in an advanced country), then it would be appearing like a cake walk for him.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 05 Jan 2013 03:01

Theo_Fidel wrote: I have no idea what Moditva is.
Svenkat made a stab a describing what it is not.
I think that is as far as anyone is willing to go.

so what is secularism? specifically Indian secularism?
I have yet to see it defined by the stalwart defenders of JLN's legacy? either on BRF or outside.
so, we should start with that. what is secularism in the Indian context?
and I want the INC/Lib/P-sec/JLN legacy bearers to answer.
I don't want any mythical visions of what secularism "should be" in some mythical universe.
I want to know what secularism is in India's context?
as it has been applied and continues to be applied since 1947.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 05 Jan 2013 03:06

devesh wrote:
Theo_Fidel wrote: I have no idea what Moditva is.
Svenkat made a stab a describing what it is not.
I think that is as far as anyone is willing to go.
so what is secularism? specifically Indian secularism?
I have yet to see it defined by the stalwart defenders of JLN's legacy? either on BRF or outside.
so, we should start with that. what is secularism in the Indian context?
and I want the INC/Lib/P-sec/JLN legacy bearers to answer.
I don't want any mythical visions of what secularism "should be" in some mythical universe.
I want to know what secularism is in India's context?
as it has been applied and continues to be applied since 1947.

The Nehruvian formula is that Hindus should stand accused in every situation, no matter who is the real culprit. This is because majority communalism(instance of which will be decided by Nehruvians) is always more dangerous than minority communalism.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 05 Jan 2013 03:06

Indian Secularism: videshi dharam devo bhava

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 05 Jan 2013 03:28

An exemplar secular Indian

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 05 Jan 2013 03:34

No one to this day has any real understanding of terms commonly used-
1) secularism- day in and day out folks start bleating about secularism . No one has any idea about it .
First define what is secularism, then once defined then we can talk about which categorise the parties.
2) communalsim- the same as above. No one has any idea.

3) who coined the term Moditva defintiely not NaMo. why put some terms and create some stir.

3) what are the requirements for a nation to be in healthy state --
a) improving social conditons
b) improving the infrastructure
c) improving the safety of its citizens in the nation
d) improving the economic conditions
e) improving the conditons of all citizens irrespective of caste or religion
f) improving the security of the state
g) improving the confidence of the nation as a whole

Any takers or thoughts to debvelop all these lines.

the very definition of this thread should involve the concept of a healthy nation state.
If the competing entities do not share the healthy nation state then it is useless to discuss them.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 05 Jan 2013 03:37

The first time Moditva term ever heard by me was in a TV discussion about Gujarat 2012 elections on NDTV by BD. Her theory was that Modi has given up Hindutva and is propagating his own version aka Ataturk. I do not know if she was serious about this or just trying to lure away Hindu votes away from BJP to GPP.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 05 Jan 2013 03:40

^^^^
Thanks Prahaar, it is commonly understood that by associating his name the people especially muslims will vote the congis.
The trick by congis friends is - name and hope to shame by associating with negative ones.

I wonder if congis are ok with naming the anti rape laws after priyanka or sonia.
usually congis name it after die nasty why not the new rape laws etc.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 05 Jan 2013 05:07

Whats with this Modi is just proven in GJ and when he comes out people will ask questions ? What questions! Who will ask these questions? MMS? The guy who still isn#t directly elected and who embarrassed the country in SeS?
Or Sharad Pawar the goon?
Or is it Owaisi?
A guy with a squeaky clean background is usually trouble for the rats.
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Got nothing but boy can fake-condescend or what! You aint got no sh1t ma niggah!

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 05 Jan 2013 05:20

That would be the problem for any hero (modilets).. vs. the villains (kangrezlets). For the villains, they don't have to prove anything better. People have accepted them, from pre-independence rape and murder periods to even current gen rape and murder periods.

What we are asking is only coming when the majority is slowly forming towards changing that villain culture to a modi-fied one. ie, as the middle class grows, they need leadership who are less corrupt, and has the focus streamlined for development of India. It is a tough job to handle villains.. as we still have more than 50-60% of the population subjugated by dynasty rule.

It is hard erase criminal misconducts, but it is easy to criminalize the right thinker. All it takes is one shot, and setup is so eager for this. Modi is vulnerable, here and not the dynasty. How is he going to finesse his job for PM post, is not just him alone, but outside GJ, how and whats. So, there is nothing wrong in getting mr. gj right to get to be mr. right for others.

vina · Post by **vina** » 05 Jan 2013 07:14

Arjun wrote:^This thread focuses on Moditva and (to be fair to both sides) on the ideology espoused by the Dynasty and their backers like yourself.

What is this new animal Ji ? Earlier there was something called Hindutva and now there is Moditva ?

Anyway - the simple answer to your post...Bhagwat has stated his opinion which he is entitled to. He may well be right - it all depends on the data. And in case the data captured does not represent the full picture (as is claimed even for a country like the US) - then the answer can ONLY be obtained by mounting a campaign to capture the full and complete data on rural vs urban rapes and to encourage women who have been victims to come forward without fear. Any and every person who claims with conviction that Bhagwat is wrong or that he is bound to be correct is a MORON - who doesn't the first thing about science or scientific attitudes.

Ah. I see. Bhagwat conducted a scientific study of rapes in this country (India and Bharat), found out statistically that women are lot more liable to be raped in Urban India than in Rural India and also Ancient India (Bharat of the Puranas) , so he must be right of course. Funnily enough Bhagwat did not publish any results of his study ,put it up for peer review and independent verification.. but all the same it is scientific if Bhagwat says it is.

But if poor me contests it and says that it doesn't seem true and that rapes happened in "puranic bharat" as well, it is "non scientific" and of course Moronic. Sauce for Bhagwat is Sauce for me also onree no . Translated in Inglees. If my assertion is Moronic, Bhagwat's is equally Moronic innit?

BTW, Great Bhagwat science I must say.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 05 Jan 2013 07:29

Why is the gang rape by Rahul Gandhi not getting greater play in the media? The case seems to have been fishily buried by the Supreme Court by fining the person who filed the complaint. But the witness wasn't offered any protection, and someone as powerful as Gandhi was left loose while the case was in progress.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 05 Jan 2013 08:08

folks, now that the lokaaykta is in place. how long before he starts attacking modi for 100 re scams. and the media reactions for the same

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 05 Jan 2013 08:33

vina wrote:What is this new animal Ji ? Earlier there was something called Hindutva and now there is Moditva ?

Modi's 'idea of India' (which some folks prefer to term 'Moditva') was briefly touched upon in my introductory post. Here it is again:

A key factor bringing these alternate ideas into sharp focus has been the emergence of Narendra Modi as a political force, with ideas that some would say are radical - that India does not need to be forever mired in the Politics of Victimhood & Votebanking, that Governance can indeed be corruption-free at all levels, that Transformative economic development can coexist with drawing strength from Traditions & that Indians can come together meritocratically to push the achievement bar much higher in industry, sciences and other spheres. And that all of this can be achieved without relying on that old Indian (Nehruvian?) failing of Dynastic Raaj.

vina wrote:Ah. I see. Bhagwat conducted a scientific study of rapes in this country (India and Bharat), found out statistically that women are lot more liable to be raped in Urban India than in Rural India and also Ancient India (Bharat of the Puranas) , so he must be right of course. Funnily enough Bhagwat did not publish any results of his study ,put it up for peer review and independent verification.. but all the same it is scientific if Bhagwat says it is.

Well, there are a couple of different interpretations of what Bhagwat said...It seems he may have meant that those who follow 'sanskars' would not to do such things. 'Sanskar' == 'moral values'. In which case what he said is obviously trivially true - 'cos the rapists were clearly deficient in their understanding of what is right / moral and what is not.

There's another way to look at this...which community supposedly lives most closely by 'Vedic' and Indian spiritual values ? What is your estimate of the percentage of Indian rapists who belong to this community ?

Anyway, sadly we will need to end this conversation on RSS views on rape right here...if you want to suggest a suitable thread where it would not be OT, we can continue there.

Vina, I am crossposting the last part of this response to the 'Solutions to Making India a Safer Place' thread in Strat Forum. We can continue there if you are interested.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 05 Jan 2013 08:45

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 130102.htm

Will Nitin Gadkari manage to swing a second term as BJP president?

Why were arch-rivals Anand Sharma and Virbhadra Singh hugging each other?

Who is the prime minister's favourite troubleshooter?

All this, and more, in this week's Dilli Gupshup.

He's the eternal prince-in-waiting. Only, this time, it's not the king who's unwilling to abdicate; it's the prince who seems unwilling to step up to the throne.

Will 2013 finally be the year in which Rahul Gandhi takes his 'rightful' place (as seen by a sycophantic Congress) on the political firmament?

Some Congressmen were heard speculating the prospect in the countdown to the New Year. It was clear, as the discussion progressed however, that the optimistic few were in a hopeless minority.

At one point, there was near-panic as a senior Congress leader hinted at the possibility of Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi contesting the next Lok Sabha polls from Sultanpur, Uttar Pradesh.

Sultanpur is close to Amethi -- which is Congress General Secretary's Rahul Gandhi's bastion -- and Rae Bareli, which is his mother and United Progressive Alliance Chairperson Sonia Gandhi's constituency.

Congress insiders claim that the Gujarat nu sher has already conducted a survey in Sultanpur; the result, apparently, is overwhelmingly in Modi's favour.

If this is true, Rahul Gandhi should be a very worried man!

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 05 Jan 2013 09:06

vina wrote: BTW, Great Bhagwat science I must say.

It is science, only the science of politics. The RSS pracharak is the head of a social organization. Putting the stone around the neck of a deracinated elite that stays away from the value systems of the nation, which is an underlying cause amongst others, is the right thing to do. Let the elites twist their chaddis. Take no prisoners in this war. Do everything to destroy this evil that resides in us.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 05 Jan 2013 09:47

Modi contesting from Sultanpur is unimaginable and winning there will be dynasty killer. Amethi, Rai Bareli, Sultanpur are dynasty burroughs.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 05 Jan 2013 10:08

vina wrote: Ah. I see. Bhagwat conducted a scientific study of rapes in this country (India and Bharat), found out statistically that women are lot more liable to be raped in Urban India than in Rural India and also Ancient India (Bharat of the Puranas) , so he must be right of course. Funnily enough Bhagwat did not publish any results of his study ,put it up for peer review and independent verification.. but all the same it is scientific if Bhagwat says it is.

But if poor me contests it and says that it doesn't seem true and that rapes happened in "puranic bharat" as well, it is "non scientific" and of course Moronic. Sauce for Bhagwat is Sauce for me also onree no . Translated in Inglees. If my assertion is Moronic, Bhagwat's is equally Moronic innit?

BTW, Great Bhagwat science I must say.

Vina ji, what is this with peer review. Why is it so difficult to have one using his own brain.

Surely you cannot be any more modernist than Bade ji. The links (ncrb) and data are there. And whatever data is not available it is only because an uber secular govt. is hiding it under definations/reclassifications/modernism. Besides in your case you do not know where you stand so the map is not going to be able to take you to the treasure.

Also I believe Arjun ji too has posted and he is debating it out with Sanku ji on the urban data, elsewhere. You could not have missed that if you were looking for that kind of information.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 05 Jan 2013 10:11

SaiK wrote:somethings that we can ignore and give up like safe keeping of ridley turtles while firing agnis, or hurting the sea water salinity by reducing the amount of river water flow into the ocean, etc. rest should be tabled and discussed.

if we focus with a holistic approach, we can find ways to satisfy all.

SaiK ji, you can think about ridley turtles once you have thought through of the humans involved.

Can I safely conclude about your comment that it is a considered comment having thought through the implications for humans dependent on Brahmaputra?

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 05 Jan 2013 10:25

Vinaji - the media seems to be only focussing on the first sentence of Mohan Bhagwat Ji. Please find 7 mins and listen to his whole reply

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGu8nNLfpyE

He says:
1. Cultural deracination is one reason why women are not considered Jagat Janani and is considered an object of pleasure
2. He stresses the importance of strong laws apart from inculcation of the fact that naari is ma samaan at a family level
3. The Bharat-India comparison was to explain the importance of traditional values vs modernised rootless thought

I find his reasoning rationally sound, please let us know what you think

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 05 Jan 2013 10:32

^ Suryag ji, this discussion has been shifted to 'Solutions for Making India a Safer Place' thread on Strat Forum. Request you to delete your response from here since it is OT, and repost out there.

disha · Post by **disha** » 05 Jan 2013 10:36

suryag wrote:...I find his reasoning rationally sound, please let us know what you think...

Suryagji, you must be a really positive thinker!

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 05 Jan 2013 11:20

vina wrote:
But if poor me contests it and says that it doesn't seem true and that rapes happened in "puranic bharat" as well, it is "non scientific" and of course Moronic. Sauce for Bhagwat is Sauce for me also onree no . Translated in Inglees. If my assertion is Moronic, Bhagwat's is equally Moronic innit?

BTW, Great Bhagwat science I must say.

Care to substantiate the bolded part - Astavakra example not withstanding. You have already skipped my earlier questions. This is not the first time you have stated on this forum that Hindusm promotes violence. I would like to know what makes you think like that. We can take this discussion in appropriate thread if you are ready to discuss.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 05 Jan 2013 12:03

The rumor is that Mr Modi will contest from either Sultanpur or Lucknow. They have chosen UP because Mr Modi is going to spend most of his time during campaign in UP.

Sultanpur is a front runner because of it's proximity to Amethi. Mr Modi's presence there is going to make BJP's base very active and their could be direct duel between the two parties. Something like the cookie wars. Also single rally can gather people from Amthi, Rae Bareli and Sultanpur.

Lucknow is next in line because the electorate is almost divided nicely between Muslim, OBC and Hindu voters. A win there like ABV can mean that Mr Modi can claim support of all the communities.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 05 Jan 2013 12:06

^^^Sultanpur is a good move.

I'm more concerned, worried rather, about the bjp's next prez choice. Gadkari is a disaster. NM's man should make Prez.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 05 Jan 2013 12:27

SaiK wrote:what is GJ? garib jan?

I think any TN person would want more water! that is all. If Modi can bring ganga and yamuna to their doors, he will become the real Rajnikanth.

Already done in most part of GJ. In GJ Ganga=Narmada. Some remote districts are still being worked on. Many rivers are linked with Narmada canal. GJ can never forget what all congis did to derail and collapse the Narmada Dam project.

niran · Post by **niran** » 05 Jan 2013 12:29

Muppalla wrote:Modi contesting from Sultanpur is unimaginable and winning there will be dynasty killer. Amethi, Rai Bareli, Sultanpur are dynasty burroughs.

since the Lok Sabha election is fought on different values than State election(the wise people says not me)
Lok Sabha is fought on
Roti Kapada & Makan
a carefull survey of areas around Sultanpur reveals that
almost every 2nd house in a mohala in Jaunpur have one IAS/IPS/PCS affasars and they ain't gonna vote for BJP
almost every 2nd house in a mohala in Rai Barely have people lining up for hand outs in Lucknow or Delhi
almost every 2nd house in a mohala in Amethi have people queuing up with ready made Roti Sabji and bed lest the crown prince visits them.
almost every 2nd house in a mohala in Sultanpur have folks earn their living in Gujarat right from cell phone peddlers to Gutkha manufacturers

so go figure.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 05 Jan 2013 12:44

UP is a bad choice for one more reason. India has to break the stranglehold on the power politics that this region so undeservingly enjoys.

In any case one launches his campaign at places that he is strong in.

Though yes NM should campaign in UP. In fact he should start work in UP pro bono and from this year itself. The UP BJP is in shambles. He should be injected as a supervisor for UP campaigning. UP will demand further muscle power so the old network needs to be cued into.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 05 Jan 2013 12:54

It must be said that it requires really great confidence in one's ability to win in such fortresses of your opponent. Shows man's character. Man plays only to win. His win in Sultanpur will seal his claim to PMship provided BJP crosses 200.

niran · Post by **niran** » 05 Jan 2013 13:12

it seems like every one is forgetting one thing
during the 2014 election(if the election takes place then) there will be an estimated 140 million first time voters in UP alone
out of them around 65 million are already iphone yak yaking and tablet/laptop totting the rest queuing up, so far onree NaMo
has displayed the capability to woo them take a proper look in voting patterns for last concluded Gujarat election.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Jan 2013 13:18

but how many of these are dutiful IMs who will line up behind whatever their 'secular' leaders like Owaisi tell them?

UP-Bihar-WB-BD that entire belt was ruled by the mussalman afghan tribes who at various points were given districts to rule over under overall leadership of delhi sultanate. from herders and looteras they eventually became tradesmen and farmers.

todays situation is no different - nitish is just itching to join the secular forces and SP/BSP/TMC/begum Zia are the equivalent of the rohillas , suris, lodhis and other tribal sardars who got their own piece of turf in exchange for annual tribute.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 05 Jan 2013 14:00

Hopefully Modi takes care of people like him.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 05 Jan 2013 15:15

NM will contest Sultanpur as his second seat, first will always be from GJ.

NM campaigning as PM candidate is very, and I mean very, different from NM cavassing for the BJP in general, which is what we have seen so far, that too in fits and starts.

NM simply has to move now to take control of the BJP org structure. The cadre are all rooting for him anyway. Its only the self-styled leaders who're pissing their pants.