Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

[anupmisra]

Paki-Loving-Numbskulls are popping out of the woodwork with their own (ISPR paid) versions of the event. Here's one twit we are all familiar with. Brian Cloughley

Beating the nationalist drum

let me make it clear that claims of beheading of an Indian soldier by troops of the Pakistan army are nonsense

There was certainly some sort of clash, probably an ambush, that resulted in the deaths of two Indian soldiers, but if – and it’s a big ‘if’ – the incident involved an ambush by a Pakistan army unit (as distinct from a terrorist group), there is no possibility whatsoever that it carried out mutilation of dead bodies.

That's right, Cloudy. Blame the pajama clad pakjabis for that.

[abhishek_sharma]

^^ That writer is more Paki than most Pakis.

[Ambar]

^^ That writer is more Paki than most Pakis.

Yep..the other one is Micheal Kugleman ..

[chaanakya]

I think, this is a critical line of thinking. Our leaders and WKK will seldom allow us to take military action action against Pakistanis, even when conditions are actually quite dire. So, what can be done, short of military action or wrapping some of these terrorists in pig skin, when they're caught or killed.

- Invest in Textile industry:
- No trade and business CBMs -
- No Pakistani should be legally or illegally allowed into India -
- Raise the investment levels in defense to 3%

- Spend money on lobbying -
Do things that are at least possible to do, given the extremely inability of our leadership to take any meaningful military action against Pakistani debauchery.

The problem is we loose patience very fast and itch begins to develop in some to go for Bhaichara. The point here is who can hold breath longer under water would survive. pakistan does not have wherewithal to hold breath longer. But we itch to provide everything which would help it to survive.

Start with MFN. CMB and trade, People to people contact, even allowing Huriyat leaders to go and meet HS and host of anti India people in Pakistan.. Busses, trains trucks vegetables. We even make the case how we need to import cement to teach a lesson to our cement industries. Onion from pakistan while we ask NAFED to export it.

Latest in the list is trying to give power ( about 500 MWp) to Pakistan while many of our own states are not able to supply it. Supplying train engines for their railways.

Thats not all, I was disgusted to see the same TVs welcoming artists from Pakistan to come on shows and win it as well just in the name of elusive peace.

Cricketing tamasha that went on just before the news broke of beheading was an orgy of WKKship. I did not watch at all. I have been disgusted with all this to contribute eyeball to such tamasha.

Oppose it in all possible ways. Let us see how long it survives. Let Army deal with Border issues in a way without escalating it to war and keep it that way but be ready for it when it comes. Are our political class up to it?

I dont desire war with Pakistan but dont want to come to its aid to see it survive and would not shy away from war if it comes to my home. That should be our thinking.

What would one achieve by getting Nobel Piss Prize from a pathetic country called Norway , with which we have downgraded our diplomatic relations,, when Gandhiji did not get it . And who else could have been better personality to raise the profile of Nobel Peace prize. If anyone else wins in India it could and should not be that pathetic TheekHai. he shows how shallow all along he has been behind his thin veneer of polished ecnomist .


Every single day Pakistan exists in its current form threatens the lives of our citizens and indeed with its obsessive fixation with India, threatens our very existence by acquiring WMDs.

We need to take all steps to make sure that it implodes and disintegrates.

That is only way out from that 1000 years of promised war.

[Agnimitra]

In the Economist, written by one "S.S.".
The mystery of Tahir ul Qadri

For weeks, television advertisements for Mr Qadri have filled each commercial break on Pakistani channels. His billboards and posters are everywhere. The Lahore rally was an expensive showpiece, and the Islamabad march will be very costly. His organisation has, for example, hired around 50,000 buses to take the demonstrators.

[...]

A religious moderate from the gentle Sufi tradition {like that of the Imam Rabbanis?}, Mr Qadri published a weighty tract against terrorism in 2010. He is able to tap into the religious beliefs of the majority of Pakistanis, who broadly follow the Sufi way, not the austere Saudi-influenced radical Sunni Islam that has come to dominate public debate in the country.

[Anujan]

^^^
Less than 10% of Pakistanis vote for religious parties and their society is largely secular

[Anujan]

Pakis are protesting against the Shia killing and actually have a pretty decent turnout.

Ofcourse that doesnt mean anything because Immy and TuQ can get bigger turnouts. But nevertheless was impressed.

[Agnimitra]

^^^ Here's another way to summon a good turnout -
Following the Sunnah: Lashkar-e-Islam asks tribe to offer recruits

JAMRUD: A wave of panic ran through Zakha Khel tribemen in the Bara tehsil of Khyber Agency on Friday after Lashkar-e-Islam (LeI) fighters told them to find them new recruits and money or leave the area.

Talking to journalists from an undisclosed location, LeI spokesperson Abu Rasheed Lashkari said the Zakakhel tribesmen were opposed to the LeI and therefore it had issued a warning to them.

He said that the LeI’s local commander Kandahar Afridi had distributed pamphlets and announced from local mosques in Shalobar, Naweya Qamar and Baz Garha areas of the Bara tehsil that every family of the Zakhakhel tribe should either offer one volunteer to LeI, pay Rs0.3 million or leave the area....

[SSridhar]

Taliban say they won't attack TSPA in North Waziristan - DT

The Taliban said on Saturday they would cease their occasional attacks on the Pakistani army in their stronghold of North Waziristan and concentrate attacks on NATO forces in Afghanistan instead – an announcement possibly designed to head off divisions in the insurgency.
The ceasefire does not apply to the rest of the country, where there are often fierce clashes between the Taliban and security services. Thousands of Pakistani soldiers are stationed in North Waziristan, a tribal region along the Afghan border.
There have been occasional clashes there between the soldiers and Taliban, but a leaflet issued by Taliban leader Hakimullah Mehsud ordered those to stop. A senior commander confirmed the pamphlet’s veracity.
“O Mujahideen brothers! As you know, the Pakistani and Afghan Taliban under the leadership of Mullah Muhammad Omar Mujahid are engaged in jihad against the crusaders and infidels, and are supporters of each others in the ongoing holy war,” the pamphlet said.

[Anindya]

Latest in the list is trying to give power ( about 500 MWp) to Pakistan while many of our own states are not able to supply it. Supplying train engines for their railways.

Any updates on these two issues - read the initial announcements, but nothing after that.

[SSridhar]

Mysteriously, today's TSP newspapers are not reporting at all on the border situation.

[anupmisra]

Mysteriously, today's TSP newspapers are not reporting at all on the border situation.

ISPR diktats. Time to move on.

[Anujan]

Good article from Swapan Da
http://dailypioneer.com/columnists/item ... amish.html

First, apart from an influential minusculity that is disproportionately represented in the media and among the power elite of Lutyens’ Delhi, few Indians were surprised by this latest example of Pakistani butchery....Like the Panchshila doctrine that beguiled Jawaharlal Nehru into lowering India’s guard against China, the Manmohan Singh Government has reposed all its faith in the spirit of the Sharm-el-Sheikh. In practice this has meant that every Pakistani provocation (barring the 26/11 attack) has been met with hand-wringing squeamishness. It has almost appeared that the victim is embarrassed by the brazenness and audacity of the perpetrators of crimes against itself. This seems to be the precise meaning of the “nuanced” and “calibrated” responses that South Block has forever promised.

And another one by Indrani Bagchi

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 997760.cms

Manmohan Singh blotted his copybook comprehensively by signing the Sharm el-Sheikh agreement with Pakistan in 2009 where he agreed that terrorism was really no reason to stop dialogue with Pakistan. He retracted that after a political uproar in Parliament but followed it through by other means — the resumed dialogue was only pushed back by a year.

In the past year, Singh has openly looked for an opportunity to travel to Pakistan, often at the cost of diplomatic advantages. Seeking Pakistan's indulgence on trade, Singh allowed India to drop its objections to an EU-Pakistan textiles deal. Pakistan is yet to keep its side of bargain of giving India MFN status. Therefore, India cannot impose economic costs on Pakistan either.

India gave Pakistan a lifeline during the two years when Pakistan-US relations were at an all-time low. Indian officials and leaders were fond of telling people how Pakistan had "discovered" India to be better buddies than America, showing shocking ignorance of Pakistan's strategic imperatives

[putnanja]

I think it is time to close the beheading thread. No use getting all worked up over this. The EAM has officially responded. Read and weep...

We think this will pass but concerns remain: Khurshid

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In an exclusive interview to The Hindu, the foreign minister, who was on a two-day visit to France, also said he felt the Indian and Pakistani governments had the capacity to overcome the present crisis: “We think this will pass. We think that we have enough arrangements in place between the Pakistanis and ourselves to counter these issues. But our main and burning concern is what happened to our men. The mutilation and beheading that took place is tragic, unfortunate, inhuman, and we think there should be some clarity, some truth that must be brought out. Even if you have to think of reconciliation, it must come after the truth is brought out. That is important, and we haven’t heard anything very helpful as far as that is concerned.”
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Mr. Khurshid said India will continue to make efforts to get to the bottom of the matter and that truth was a necessary ingredient of any reconciliation. “I think we have tried and we will continue to try to contain emotions to ensure that the matter does not escalate beyond any reasonable limits. [bThere are understandable calls for strong action on the part of India. We are hoping the other side will be more responsive to our cautious approach despite public pressure and we would certainly urge the Pakistanis to respond.[/b] There are various ways and levels at which ceasefire violations or the stopping of trade or movement of people can be treated but our major concern is the treatment of our soldiers and on that we have received no substantial response so far.”

Mr. Khurshid reiterated his earlier remarks on the question of Kashmir saying the mutilation of two Indian soldiers in Kashmir was “extremely shocking and unacceptable, even barbaric.”

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And the government pooh-poohs ACM Browne's comments ...

Air Chief talks of ‘other options’ on Pak

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Though government officials said Browne’s statement reflected the “sense of outrage” within the armed forces over the brutal killing of the two jawans and termed it “tolerable”, they made it clear it should be taken in isolation and did not reflect any move to scale up the issue. India is clearly looking to resolve the matter at the local level with a flag meeting that has already been proposed by the Army.

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[Anujan]

Salman Khurshid is apologizing to Pakistan for Pakistan's actions.

[Anujan]

Meanwhile:

Army officers, who were part of the soldier's funeral, did now allow the family's women to see Hemraj's body and went ahead with the cremation saying his body's condition may shock them.

[putnanja]

Meanwhile:

Army officers, who were part of the soldier's funeral, did now allow the family's women to see Hemraj's body and went ahead with the cremation saying his body's condition may shock them.

Is the GoI even making any attempts to get back the soldier's head??

[kasthuri]

Mysteriously, today's TSP newspapers are not reporting at all on the border situation.

Even after air chief's warning....that is certainly mysterious.

[Cosmo_R]

Mysteriously, today's TSP newspapers are not reporting at all on the border situation.

Even after air chief's warning....that is certainly mysterious.

Why would they care? After 26/11, there was talk of 500 targets in Pakistan. Nothing happened.

[Prem]

Salman Khurshid is apologizing to Pakistan for Pakistan's actions.

Ummah interests over rules any thing local like motherland , nation ,country or constitution. No Muslim can do such deed , end of the story. Andh Budhi, Mandh Budhi and upcoming Nang Budhi rule the country then only Guillotine or God can save the desh.

[Kakkaji]

Delhi doctors help transplant livers in Pakistan

NEW DELHI: When Pakistani raiders were fighting Indian soldiers, a group of Indian doctors was helping their Pakistani counterparts to do complex liver transplants in Lahore.

The doctors from Delhi's Apollo Hospital spent long hours in the surgery room of Sheikh Zayed Hospital during a four-day trip that began on January 6.

The Indian doctors oversaw the 'right lobe adult-to-adult living donor liver transplantation' on one woman and two male Pakistani patients, conducted by their own doctors. "The Pakistani doctors were doing the operation, we were only helping them," said Dr Subash Gupta, who has led the Centre for Liver and Billiary Science at Apollo Hospital since 2001.

He said Pakistan has one of the highest cases of liver diseases. "Since many Pakistani patients are unable to travel to India for various reasons, Indian doctors at times get invited to Pakistan," he added.

Anaesthetist K Lalitha, one of the five doctors in the Indian team, said people were very nice to them. "Those we met, the doctors, the nurses, no one really wanted any war with India... They also said the country was facing major (internal) trouble," she said.

[archan]

you know. porkies are so good at removing body parts, not so good at implanting them.

[abhishek_sharma]

GAURAV C. SAWANT ‏@gauravcsawant
with no permission to probe LoC ceasefire violation in India, UNMOGIP team leaves for Pakistan. (Ind firm: UNMOGIP has outlived its utility)

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Update just in: Firing intensifies in Poonch. 48 hour peace on LoC broken?

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Update: Firing from 3 posts in Poonch sector. Indian Army returning fire from 2 posts so far. Small arms only so far. @HeadlinesToday

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Update: Heavy firing in the Barasingha area of Poonch. Infiltration attempt detected across LoC. @HeadlinesToday

[RamaY]

Is ther a link between the beheading incident and Akbaruddins diarrhea in AP?

[rajpa]

MMS does take decisive action after much pondering.. like in the case of Nukilar agreement, FDI in retail etc..

The thinking process is clearly to engage in peace overtures with the Pakistanis - which will have a clear effect on separating the ones who could be converted to peaceniks and those who cannot be converted at all. The GOI probably believes, probably with some research, that the civilians and the army are on opposite sides of this peace initiative.

We jingoes believe and know that almost all of TSP is rabidly anti-India given the origins of two nation theory and paki superiority over sdre.

If the GoI continues to find the separation between peaceniks and refuseniks, they may even succeed. While they are engaging the civilians with the monkey ass, they should engage the army with kick ass. That will be the definitive way to make the peace initiative to succeed. If the army gets whacked repeatedly, it will embolden the civilians to take control over time.

[ramana]

Yes there has to be stick and carrot policy. MMS has a ghajar and carrot policy.

[rajpa]

All we know is that folks in GOI are vigorously calibrating their approach.. firing blanks is not an option. ahem.

[Anindya]

Pakistan delegation forced out of Gujarat summit?

AHMEDABAD: A Pakistani delegation that had come to Ahmedabad for three-day Vibrant Gujarat summit left without attending it amid rising tension between Islamabad and New Delhi over recent killing of soldiers along the line of control.

Officials refused to specify whether the delegation was asked to stay away. But they said its presence at the event while chief minister Narendra Modi was also present there would have embarrassed the BJP's leadership that had taken a strong position against the Centre's response to the LoC ceasefire violation.

The 22-member delegation from the Karachi Chamber of Commerce and Industry, which was supposed to attend the inaugural session of the Vibrant Gujarat summit on Friday, was asked to stay indoors in a plush hotel in Ahmedabad. Some members of the delegation wanted to visit Surat and Bharuch. They were escorted to Surat from where they left for Mumbai. The delegation left Gujarat by Friday evening.

In effect, the delegation members were not even allowed some innocuous sight-seeing in Ahmedabad, let alone attend the summit at Gandhinagar.

"We were prepared to bring the delegation to the venue and had made all the arrangements. But, at the eleventh hour, we were told that there are some issues pertaining to their visa and a group cannot come to Gandhinagar. As advised, they were asked to remained indoors," said Gujarat DGP Chittaranjan Singh.

The group was expected to participate at business-to-business meetings in areas like textiles, chemicals and gems and jewellery.

[ramana]

Its a TOIlet Aman ka Tamasha story.

[Anindya]

Pakistan’s new LoC bunkers have ‘made by China’ stamp

India has more than one reason to worry at the Line of Control (LoC). Military Intelligence sources have confirmed to DNA that Pakistani troops stationed at the LoC are receiving logistical and technical support from China’s PLA regulars who are stationed in PoK in the garb of engineers and workers. Sources said that they have information indicating that the Pakistani army is receiving “guidance” from PLA engineers. “They are involved in every activity at the LoC and are helping create fresh bunkers across the LoC,” an Intelligence source told DNA.

With “heavy build up” of Pakistani troops across the LoC and reports of continued firing, the Indian armed forces are in a heightened state of alert. Both the army and the air force have deployed their Unmanned Aerial Vehicles to gather information and keep a close watch on movements in the LoC region.

Some 11,000 PLA regulars are stationed in PoK since 2010 when Pakistan had sought China’s help following massive landslides in Attabad area, which submerged the strategic Karakoram Highway connecting Pakistan with China’s Xinjiang region. Intelligence sources said China has for the past few years been supporting the Pakistani army with arms, infrastructure and money.
In 2011, former army chief General VK Singh had noted with “great concern” the presence of China’s PLA regulars in PoK. The Indian defence establishment has had to factor-in this fact in its calculations, and it has been one of the main reasons behind the proposed defence modernisation programme.

[Anindya]

Pak tasks ultras to plant mines

In an apparent bid to hamper the movement of security forces engaged in counter-infiltration and counter-insurgency operations, Pakistani army has tasked the militants to sneak into the Indian side of Line of Control (LoC) to plant land mines on the tracks in the hinterland.

“Pakistan army has been resorting to sending terrorists across the Line of Control to plant mines on tracks in hinterland,” said Lieutenant Colonel Rajesh Kalia, defence spokesman at Northern Command.

Sources said Pakistani army is using the militants, who are waiting to infiltrate after being trained in the terror camps across the LoC, as multi-purpose mercenaries with a twin job of creating subversion besides planting mines in the hinterland.

Sources said the mines are being laid on the tracks in the hinterland so that the security forces movement could be hampered with and maximum number of militants could sneak into this side for subversion.

[shyamd]

Bakistani media apparently now amplifiying calls for Balochistan take over by army to control the security situation there

[partha]

Taliban say they won't attack TSPA in North Waziristan - DT

The Taliban said on Saturday they would cease their occasional attacks on the Pakistani army in their stronghold of North Waziristan and concentrate attacks on NATO forces in Afghanistan instead – an announcement possibly designed to head off divisions in the insurgency.

Looks like TTP was trolling TSPA. 14 dead in an attack on a security convoy in NWAoA!

[SSridhar]

Bakistani media apparently now amplifiying calls for Balochistan take over by army to control the security situation there

Very soon, the media would call for TSPA to take over the country because it has become anarchic. That is what TSPA is working towards behind the scene.

[rajpa]

^^^
Very soon, the GoP will call TSPA to form a government at the centre and will claim that it is democracy with TSP characteristics.

[SSridhar]

IN TSP cuckooland, everybody, no exception at all, has at one time or another called upon the TSPA to take over the government.

[anupmisra]

Taliban say they won't attack TSPA in North Waziristan - DT

Hmmmm. That was a short-lived promise. N Waziristan blast kills 14 security personnel. Typical.

A remotely detonated bomb targeting a security forces’ vehicle killed 14 personnel and injured 25 others on Miramshah road in North Waziristan’s Razmak area on Sunday

In another incident, a clash occurred between militants and Aman Lashkar personnel in Akakhel area of Khyber tribal regions Bara district on Sunday

But, every islamophobic storm cloud has a silver lining, as the popular paki saying goes.

Meanwhile, miscreants ransacked a Government Girls school in Jhansi area of Sipah near Khyber tribal regions’ Juma Khan Kallay area and took away furniture and fittings from the premises. The structure of the building remained unharmed in the incident.

Thanks be to allah, some area homes now have indoor plumbing and living room furnishings.

[pgbhat]

So did Hakimullah say that he won't target Pacqui Khakis or did Pakjabis make that sh!t up to make themselves feel better?

[shiv]

IN TSP cuckooland, everybody, no exception at all, has at one time or another called upon the TSPA to take over the government.

http://www.voanews.com/content/anger_ri ... 82596.html

Analyst Raza Rumi said it remains to be seen if public pressure rises to a point that forces political leaders and the military to act against terrorist and militant organizations operating in Pakistan.

"There is no shortcut in Pakistan now for the military to act other than public pressure - intense public pressure, scrutiny and naming and shaming - because, you know, it is quite clear the military is not keen to do anything, or even the government, about these terrorist organizations," said Rumi.

[abhishek_sharma]

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Just in: Firing at LoC in Krishna Ghati sector, Poonch. Indian posts returning fire.

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
LoC firing from 2 Pakistan Army posts - Barmoch & Daruchimia. 3 Indian Army posts returning fire. Firing still on.

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Firing at LoC sectors in Poonch just 18 hours before Brigadier-level flag meeting scheduled at Chakan da Bagh, also in Poonch.