Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Asha

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 16 Jan 2013 14:46

Like I have always maintained, any Baki that has ever had Indian blood in his hand should be halaled (literally) by a butcher using a rusty corrugated and blunt saw to work through his/her neck. It should be public, ritual, definite, and without compromise.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Jan 2013 15:18

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Jan 2013 15:20

RamaY wrote:I wonder why India gets a bunch of Harops and specifically use them to takeout the terrorist leadership?

What can Pakis do, start a nuke war for non state actors?

They will attack the neta ji and his relatives in India.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 16 Jan 2013 15:54

http://www.rediff.com/news/column/indo- ... 130116.htm by Praful Bidwai

Skirmishes at the India-Pakistan Line of Control [ Images ] in the Mendhar sector in Jammu have spilled blood -- both soldiers' and civilians'-- and precipitated a crisis that could snowball into a destructive conflict unless it's resolved through skilful diplomatic intervention.

Both India and Pakistan will pay an avoidable, but exorbitant, price if they don't decisively reject calls for avenging what's regarded as one side's humiliation by the other and thus quickly end the shooting war between their militaries amidst charges of the beheading of soldiers.

This is the appropriate moment for sobriety, leadership and statesmanship, not frenzied responses and beating of war drums. The process of defusing tensions should not be left to the military, but must be driven by the apex civilian leadership.

The border clashes couldn't have come at a worse time. India and Pakistan have recently made significant progress in engaging each other and showing some willingness to reconcile differences over issues such as the Siachen glacier and Sir Creek, improving trade and economic relations, developing energy-sector cooperation, and greatly liberalising visa regimes, including a five-city visa-on-arrival for senior citizens at Wagah.

Civil society has breathed new energy into the dialogue and reconciliation process. Sports and cultural exchanges -- including joint India-Pakistan music performances -- and media interactions have lent credibility to the idea of peaceful, mutually enriching, co-existence. Pakistan's civilian government is about to complete its full term, for the first time ever.

Until last fortnight, the prospect of mutual reconciliation looked hopeful.

These positive changes came about because of a major shift of stance in Pakistan's 'deep State', namely the army, as shown by its approval for granting the most-favoured nation trade status to India. This couldn't have been easy.

Similarly, over the years, Pakistan has moved away from its insistence on resolving the 'central' issue of Kashmir [ Images ] first, to a gradualist approach of improving relations by settling other disputes while negotiating Kashmir on a separate, if slow, track.

No less important is army chief Pervez Ashfaq Kayani's recent acknowledgment that the greatest threat to Pakistan's security comes not from India, but internally. Home-grown jihadi militancy has acquired monstrous proportions.

This has emboldened the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan to mount audacious attacks on the Pakistani military, feed an insurgency in Balochistan led by Sunni extremists out to butcher Shias, and fomented mayhem and organised crime everywhere, thus accelerating Pakistan's economic downturn.

A certain reordering of the civilian-military balance is also under way in Pakistan: The presence of a strong judiciary and media helps elected leaders and discourages direct military intervention despite the leaders' misgovernance and corruption.

Any escalation of tensions at the LoC will disrupt this healthy transition towards democratisation and further improvement in relations with India.

As regards the LoC clashes, it's necessary to sift facts and credible reports from rhetoric, itself inflamed by the understandable public outrage at the reported beheading of an Indian soldier by Pakistani troops.

Trouble started brewing around Charonda village near Uri not in January, but on September 11, when a 70-year old grandmother crossed the LoC to Pakistan-administered Kashmir to join her sons. This set off alarm bells at the 11 infantry brigade headquarters.

To counter this 'vulnerability', reports The Hindu (January 10), an Indian Army [ Images ] unit started building bunkers along the LoC near Charonda to watch the villagers' movements.

The India-Pakistan ceasefire agreement of 2003 bars such construction, but Indian commanders argued that the bunkers face out towards the village and pose no threat to Pakistan, and refused to halt the work.

Local Pakistani commanders publicly demanded that the construction be stopped. When it didn't, Pakistani troops started shelling across the LoC. The firing killed no Indian soldiers, but three villagers. Indian troops fired in retaliation.

Such tit-for-tat exchanges continued for weeks. Yet, no remedial action was taken by the Indian Army's top brass or the defence ministry. Nor did the ministry of external affairs or the prime minister's office intervene.

Then, on January 6, an Indian officer decided to launch aggressive action against Pakistani positions, apparently without permission from the top, and a Pakistani soldier was killed. It's not clear if Indian troops crossed the LoC, as Pakistan alleges.

The point is such hostile exchange of fire is fairly (and unfortunately) 'routine'. But this one quickly spun out of control.

Two days later, Pakistani troops killed two Indian soldiers and reportedly beheaded one and mutilated the body of the other. In retaliation, Indian troops killed another Pakistani soldier on January 10. The two States' high commissioners were summoned by the host foreign ministries to face strong protests.

Meanwhile, much of India's electronic media went into a hawkish overdrive demanding a 'fitting reply' to Pakistan. Indian and Pakistani military leaders made belligerent statements, Indian Air Force chief N A K Browne going as far as to say that 'We have to look for some other options' to secure Pakistan's compliance with the ceasefire. Army chief Bikram Singh asserted India's right to retaliate by 'aggressive' means.

Worse, Defence Minister A K Antony described Pakistan's conduct as a 'turning point'. Since then, Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid has cautioned against 'wild calls for revenge and reaction.' There was also a flag meeting between local commanders, with indifferent results.

However, there has been no focused diplomatic engagement with Pakistan, no attempt to order military leaders to refrain from making threats and deploying hostile rhetoric.

An early diplomatic initiative could have taken the form of reassuring Pakistan that building an observation bunker near Charonda wasn't an offensive action; under a mutual agreement, Pakistan could also build one on its side facing internally; in any case, India wouldn't act unilaterally.

Had this failed, Indian and Pakistani diplomats could have worked out a non-military way of dealing with the 'vulnerability' problem while preventing escalation and maintaining the sanctity of the 2003 ceasefire agreement.

Indian civilian leaders should have reasserted their authority over the military, and told it clearly that it regards the ceasefire as valuable and an essential precondition of India's own security.

Regrettably, India's civilian leadership has increasingly ceded policy-making ground to the armed forces and allowed their commanders to speak out of turn on issues like Siachen and the Armed Forces Special Powers Act in Kashmir and the Northeast. This trend must be reversed.

The defence ministry cannot function as an autonomous body, but must be brought under the firm control of the Cabinet and the PMO. The military and security/intelligence agencies must fall in line too.

It's in India's own interest that peace and tranquillity are maintained at the LoC. The decade-old ceasefire agreement has helped India avert external mediation and concentrate on improving bilateral relations with Pakistan and address some root causes of mutual tensions and insecurity.

India and Pakistan haven't shown maturity in dealing with ceasefire violations, some of which allegedly provide cover to infiltration by militants. Scores of violations occur routinely -- by India's own claims, there were 117 last year and 61 in 2011.

The system of weekly 'hot-line' calls between the two Directors General of Military Operations isn't strictly adhered to and hasn't worked.

Perhaps we need a higher-level engagement between our diplomatic, security and intelligence establishments. A ceasefire enforcement review is urgently called for. As are steps to prevent conflict escalation even if minor skirmishes occur.

Even more unacceptable is routine tit-for-tat shelling which treats soldiers like cannon fodder, with no value attached to their life. And absolutely impermissible and illegal under the Geneva Conventions are barbaric practices such as torture, and mutilation and beheading of soldiers' bodies, which reportedly happened not just in 1999, but also last year.

However just the cause of a war may be, it must also be conducted in a just manner, whatever the provocation. Cruel, inhuman and degrading methods have no place in a just war.

Indian and Pakistani militaries must be compelled to behave in a responsible, restrained and civilised fashion across what's admittedly a difficult, inhospitable, rough terrain and poorly provisioned border with a huge concentration of troops.

There's no place here for extreme, vengeance-driven responses which seek to inflict maximal pain upon adversaries.

The guns must fall silent. Or else, a potential will always exist where small clashes escalate into a major conflict, as happened at Kargil [ Images ], when both adversaries recklessly brandished their nuclear swords.

Such restraint is not impossible to achieve. During the Cold War, the US and the USSR regarded each other as mortal enemies and were armed to the teeth. Yet despite systemic hostility and countless provocations, they never exchanged a single shot, leave alone beat up and expel each other's diplomats or torture soldiers.

Put simply, India and Pakistan have to get out of the deeply ingrained habit of regarding their Hot-Cold War as something normal and inevitable, and move towards demilitarising their borders.

A transition from a climate of tension, suspicion and hostility to a culture of peaceful resolution of conflicts is a great challenge not just for our militaries, but our diplomats, policy-shapers and even civil society and ordinary citizens too.

On that depends our very survival.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 16 Jan 2013 15:56

bugger talks about cross border firing between 2 continents

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 16 Jan 2013 16:04

Pure-Fool But-Why (Praful Bidwai) has shown again that he is on ISI's payroll and with much difficulty tries to tone down his anti-Indian invective so that he can get his articles published in newspapers who anyway give anti-Indian writers much leeway for their anti-Indian stance.

Why doesn't Pure-Fool But-Why write an article about how India would have been a much happier place if his father had shown some restraint viz-a-viz his mum!

If a Paki slaps an Indian, Pure-Fool But-Why would try to tie the Indian's hands in the name of peace! Well piss be upon him and his ancestors who couldn't show restraint when it was much needed.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 16 Jan 2013 16:05

that article is pathetic appeasement of the worst kind

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Jan 2013 16:58

Praful Bidwai shows why he is a zero. The only thing really good about his writing is his command of English. He has no analytical ability beyond his own nose. The types of people who are given regular columns in our media is ridiculous. These (Bidwai, Mani Shankar Aiyar) are all half-white half brown Macaulayites lecturing the Indo-Pakistani monkeys about how to live

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 16 Jan 2013 17:41

khar's speech today proves to me that the beheading is part of the current coup that is underway in pakistan and a test of kerry's resolve as he takes office. having a hostile india at this juncture is good for domestic politics and helps build the baksheesh relationship with a new administrator.

but kerry is not an idiot and if anyone remembers his performance in "the situation room", he is not exactly ignorant of the ground realities in indo-pak relations

so just as mushrat, kiyanahin shows his hands are steeped in the blood of indians

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 16 Jan 2013 17:59

Aman ki asha sound like blocked toilet being flushed
I wonder whether the fear expressed by the UPA, that if they don't appease Pakistan or reward terrorism, then the west will solve cashmere(sic) is genuine, or is just a substitute for any real action or achievement. Back in the 90's the antics of Clinton and Raphael led to POK2, which enhanced India's geopolitical space in the region until 2003, since when India's outlook has shrunken. The question is what concessions are the west prepared to make India regarding any mention of talks on solving Cashmere which should include China's presence in Tibet, and the local region as the cost to India of any solution far exceeds the cost of another round of POK3 which should never be discounted

sum · Post by **sum** » 16 Jan 2013 18:51

Lalmohan wrote:that article is pathetic appeasement of the worst kind

Love this comment for the f@rticle:

Iadmire
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by Iadmire (View MyPage) on Jan 16, 2013 06:50 PM

I think Mr.Author you should fall silent in INdia.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 16 Jan 2013 18:51

meanwhile some brilliance from the Sena geniuses

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/raj- ... 42415.html

member_20036 · Post by **member_20036** » 16 Jan 2013 18:57

^^^ I think someone has problem in comprehension. I think he meant the soldiers got killed because of Indo pak peace talks.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 16 Jan 2013 19:04

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Breaking: Pak DGMO confirms to Ind DGMO that orders have been passed to Pak Army troops to "observe ceasefire strictly & exercise restraint"

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Indian & Pak DGMOs speak for 10 min this morning, reach "understanding not to allow situation to escalate". Breaking on @HeadlinesToday:

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 16 Jan 2013 19:23

X-post http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 4#p1394659

What I really find incredulous is that even before a customary 13 day Hindu mourning period has passed, the media seemed to have not just called for restraint despite the most ignominious act, they have actively colluded with the enemy in writing an report. This is treachery.
Where the faq are hawks in the government?
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B.Raman may be a ex-babu . But I read his article.
The FIRST thing you do is express your sympathies and condolences to the fallen soldier!
Not one word from B.Raman about a) the fallen man b) the soldier c) his family or a) services to the motherland.
And yet this guy preaches and has a bunch of followers. Was he the babu for Jairam Ramesh and together were they cleaning toilets?

That RSS man is right. The elite of this nation( India) are so disconnected with the population (of Bharat ) that they forget to express sympathy first.

What does DumbMan B.Raman do? He accuses the BJP of trying to gain political mileage! This is low, cheap garbage in the name is Strategic Analysis.
Did B.Raman not think one moment before writing that in an hour or solemn mourning? Fool! May the worst befall you!

The main meat of his article is who wins and who loses in the political space after the gruesome incident. And there is one paragraph in the last with a nam-ke-vaas strategic thinking.
Remember , this man propounded Priyanka as the rightful heir to the throne.

This GoI has gone low and is beyond redemption. Every man is thrown a bone and in return, is asked to sing in praise of the powers that be in N.Delhi. And B.Raman has his price too it seems. He brought politics into this . Can I then ask in return - "Why Mr.Raman, what;s in it for you in seeing no harm comes to Congress?" Parasite!
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In any other country, the guys who wrote that poisonous article in the Hindu would have been lynched. These are no peaceniks. These are treacherous scum who have not expressed regret when Indian soldiers have fallen. Where is the sympathy from them after the beheading. In cozy A/C-ed rooms, these guys write articles that can very well be used as evidence for treason . Spreading disinformation even when the family of the soldier were on hunger strike! "Stop baying for blood" eh? Of course what can be expected from traitors for whom the word "honor" has no meaning. Effete morons who stay in India, plunder its riches, and stab it in the back.

This has gone too far. For too long. This injection of anti-national opinion in the airwaves and media portends of dark times ahead!

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 16 Jan 2013 19:26

meanwhile Dalyrymple sugarcoats beheading as a regional behaviour

@$%#@%#$@^

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 130116.htm

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 16 Jan 2013 19:49

Damage control mode of UPA has kicked in. DGMO PA has ordered Paki army on border not to fire on IA. TIMESNOW broken news.
IA would not fire unless fired upon. Army sources confirm.
Asfaq Nadeem DGMO spoke over hotline to Indian DGMO Vinod Bhatia. No question of returning remains of Indian Jawan as they are unaware of the incident. They dont know.
Lets go back to Tamasha.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 16 Jan 2013 19:56

Why this paijama shivering by Paki Army? They have nuclear weapons, no?

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 16 Jan 2013 20:20

[quote="abhishek_sharma"]Why this paijama shivering by Paki Army? They have nuclear weapons, no?[/quoto]

No pajama shivering. Rather, it is agreement between pajama friends. The power elite in India and Pak are closer than what normal people think. This and a couple of other incidents in the past have convinced me of that.

-M

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Jan 2013 20:22

Surya wrote:meanwhile Dalyrymple sugarcoats beheading as a regional behaviour

@$%#@%#$@^

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 130116.htm

A stiff dose of Deobandi/Wahhabi/Salafi/Takfiri Islam will cure him of his affliction. He should spend some time living in an Islamist country, not just passing through them for a few days in the company of some top journalists of that country, if he wants to understand the extremist brand of Islamism.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 16 Jan 2013 20:34

abhishek_sharma wrote:Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Breaking: Pak DGMO confirms to Ind DGMO that orders have been passed to Pak Army troops to "observe ceasefire strictly & exercise restraint"

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Indian & Pak DGMOs speak for 10 min this morning, reach "understanding not to allow situation to escalate". Breaking on @HeadlinesToday:

If this is true then the decision makers at IA don't really care about Jawans death. they are willing to comply with political master dictats.

If this country does not care for soldier's beheading, why should they fight for this country. Why stick thier neck out to protect us when we care so less about them and elect such shameless leaders.

This is really disheartening, my heart goes to Jawans, they risk thier life to protect us while we just twiddle our thumbs and worry about foreign money and Paki Nukes.

The Indian soldier is the most pitiable person who does his duty to such an ungrateful nation.

If we belive in Aman KI asha, lets open safe coriidors from Pakistani border to Delhi and Mumbai where no soldier will stop a Paki entering and doing what he likes to elites at Lutyens and Nariman point.

Give free hand to the Kasabs wo run riot in the Taj hotels. Why does the poor soldier who risks life and limb for nation of whimps.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Jan 2013 20:36

abhishek_sharma wrote:Why this paijama shivering by Paki Army? They have nuclear weapons, no?

Abhishek, there may be de-escalation, which I do not like at this stage. But, the disproportionate revenge, 10 heads, has to take place sooner than later. It won't be complete until then.

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 16 Jan 2013 20:48

Surya wrote:meanwhile Dalyrymple sugarcoats beheading as a regional behaviour

@$%#@%#$@^

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 130116.htm

Aaah Mr. Dumbbell should move his base from Mehrauli to Manshera then. He would be welcome among the 'khan' loving killers of Puki Punjab.

-M

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 16 Jan 2013 20:57

Admins, a suggestion can we lock and delete this thread, seems the Nation and Decision Makers have accepted that Beheading its soldiers is the norm and no action needs to be taken and this is acceptable behavior.

This will only encourage Pakis to do this more and more and like the Terror acts and Fake currency notes, beheading of Indian soldiers will be treated like a car accident.

I guess this was the Attitude of Prithiviraj CHauhan to MD Ghori and rest of the Indian Kings. No wonder Ghori Ghazni had such a cakewalk.

Lets have more Indo Pak matches.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 16 Jan 2013 21:01

SSridhar wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:Why this paijama shivering by Paki Army? They have nuclear weapons, no?
Abhishek, there may be de-escalation, which I do not like at this stage. But, the disproportionate revenge, 10 heads, has to take place sooner than later. It won't be complete until then.

Gurkhas are experts on our side for this beheading business. You ask 10 they will deliver 100. Guaranteed everytime. We need to send them over.

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 16 Jan 2013 21:04

Altair wrote: Gurkhas are experts on our side for this beheading business. You ask 10 they will deliver 100. Guaranteed everytime. We need to send them over.

Honestly, any Indian soldier from any regiment can behead a paki. All they need is the go ahead.

-M

habal · Post by **habal** » 16 Jan 2013 21:11

Lets have more Indo-Pak cricket/hockey matches. I also love watching tall, handsome Pakistani actors who look poor in Pakistan because of bad lighting.

I also love licking the feet of my Pakistani host who wines and dines me with Shahi Korma/chapli kebab & haleem during my stay in Lahore. When he called me 'Manmaun bhai' I felt like a million bucks.

I spent my growing up years reading & writing in Urdu and that's the only lingo I still know, how can I allow any harm to come onto my fellow urdu-speakers.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Jan 2013 21:19

I dont think we should lock this thread just because a bunch of peacniks prattle on.

The likes of Prafool, Money Shankar Aiyar, have to be taken apart and their logic show to be based on false premises. This would help greately when the same logic is repeated by them or others.
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Looks like there have been many beheadings by the Paksi and talk of quiet revenge taken. Its the quiet revenge that has eanabled them to repeat the outrage many times.

Can someone please make a timeline of all the known beheading incidents from 1994 onwards? Thanks in advance.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 16 Jan 2013 21:55

Surya wrote:meanwhile Dalyrymple sugarcoats beheading as a regional behaviour

@$%#@%#$@^

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 130116.htm

This shows the dangers of allowing Goras to stay in India and become commentators on our national issues. These people make a beeline to India exactly for this purpose and benefit from the white skin fetish of Indian deracinated elite.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 16 Jan 2013 22:15

varunkumar wrote:
Surya wrote:meanwhile Dalyrymple sugarcoats beheading as a regional behaviour

@$%#@%#$@^

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 130116.htm
This shows the dangers of allowing Goras to stay in India and become commentators on our national issues. These people make a beeline to India exactly for this purpose and benefit from the white skin fetish of Indian deracinated elite.

The europeans were quite fond of decapitation themselves. In fact, they invented an instrument for it. Actually, they were so fond of torturing and killing people that they invented many ingenious instruments that could torture people and delay their death. Whats more, these events are open for public viewing...

Anyway, since the topic is decapitation or beheading:

The guillotine (/ˈɡɪlətiːn/ or /ˈɡiː.ətiːn/; French: [ɡijɔtin]) is a device designed for carrying out executions by decapitation. It consists of a tall upright frame in which a weighted and angled blade is raised to the top and suspended. The condemned person is secured at the bottom of the frame, with his or her neck held directly below the blade. The blade is then released, to fall swiftly and sever the head from the body. The device is best known for its use in France, in particular during the French Revolution, when it "became a part of popular culture, celebrated as the people's avenger by supporters of the Revolution and vilified as the pre-eminent symbol of the Reign of Terror by opponents."[1] However, it continued to be used long after the Revolution and remained France's standard method of judicial execution until the abolition of capital punishment by President François Mitterrand in 1981.[2] The last person guillotined in France was Hamida Djandoubi, on 10 September 1977.

The guillotine has also been employed in other countries. In Germany, it saw rapid and prolific use during the Third Reich and was used in the German Democratic Republic as late as 1966.

Primitive ancestors of the guillotine were used in Ireland, England and Italy in the 14th and 15th Centuries. Several known decapitation devices such as the Italian Mannaia, the Scottish Maiden, and the Halifax Gibbet are well documented and may pre-date the use of the French guillotine by as much as 500 years.

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Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 16 Jan 2013 22:17

Its time we stopped thinking of the UPA (& by extension the GOI) and ISI as 2 mutually exclusive entities with competing interests. They are also colluding at some level and have been doing so for a while, I suspect. So, Praveen Swami, Saikat Dutta, Ajai Shukla may not just be ISI-sponsored. They could have been co-sponsored by ISI and UPA. Or even exclusively be co-opted by the UPA.

In Ajai Shukla's case, one can even determine the approximate duration when he was co-opted. This was in the 2nd half of last year. That was the time period for his 180 degree turn on Siachen. The seeds might have been sown even earlier

On matters related to Aman Ki Asha bonhomie, you cant tell who the sponsors are. ISI and UPA have very similar goals. We may have reached a tipping point in the collusion

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Jan 2013 01:49

In the media thrashings of the issue,certain facts have been revealed for the first time by some of the talking heads in the know,that certain individuals from NDA days ,have been part of the two-track diplomacy between the two nations.Who better to use by this regime of the castrati than "peace in our time" scribes who mould public opinion? One erudite gent I met some time ago,batting for the other side with very high contacts ,spoke highly of Praful Bidwai ,one could therefore surmise that he has been in the past part of this dialogue of the Indian version of the "Peace Corps" ,with a very difficult agenda (surrender)
from their American counterpart!

Thus the Bidwai's,Swamis and now joined by the ranks of one Aiyar-who in truth should know better,along with cultural artefacts like Bollywood "cutouts",western funded NGOs and litter-ati,a motley gang of individuals with one common factor-that they have lost their marbles,continue on their search for the promised land of peace,as did Moses and the Israelites in the wilderness did search for 40 years! And like Moses,who was told by his wrathful God,that he too would not see it,so too will these blinkered latter-day Chamberlains never find their nirvana with Pakistan,whose raison-d-etre is the annexation of Kashmir and the destruction of India ,the only manner in which they can justify their failed, moth-eaten state,built on the quicksand of hate.

The day will come when India will have to yet again deliver a decisive blow to deliver ourselves from this pestilential entity.If our leadership want to behave like cowards,then the very least that they can do is to "batten all hatches"-seal the border completely with an iron fence,an option that has been considered and treat Pakistan as a state with a contagious fatal disease ,and with whom no relations whatsoever be countenanced.

PS: I forgot to mention why this blinkered "Peace Corps" continues on their fruitless exercise.As Holmes would say to Watson,"elementary my dear fellow".The joy is not in reaching the promised land of Peace-the holy grail,but travelling there,in great style-first or business only,wining and dining in the very best style of season, chewing on food for table and thought,jaw-jaw,not war-war while the Qawali wails on,with the emperor's gifts at bed and bedside-beauteous damsels of the night (or cherubic dawoods,depending upon which way you "bat"!),one never-ending journey of sweet dreams and sweeteners for those of the chosen tribe,while the hoi-polloi are left to enjoy their never-ending nightmarish existence!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Jan 2013 01:52

Philip, Too many metaphors in one post!!! But a commanding sweep of global history from Biblical times to modern days.

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 17 Jan 2013 02:37

Dear Phillip, classic genius though you are, I fear your words are like casting pearls before swines when it comes to the UPA and their acolytes. Sorry to say this but India had its colour revolution in 2004, and I have it on good grounds that the clown prince's MPhil (failed Ph.d) at Cambridge was paid by the sources who anointed him.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Jan 2013 03:56

Rajat Pandit reports in TOI:

Under heat from India, Pak army offers truce to keep LoC calm

So what does Chindu editoral staff have to say now!

Till now TSP was blowing hot only. Now looks like dimak has become thanda.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 17 Jan 2013 04:13

IA should not have accepted the "truce". what the hell does that mean anyway?
what truce, and how come TSPA is sitting on the high gaddi offering this and that?
there was no real conflict, for either party to offer any truce.
and TSPA has no moral basis to offer it.

IA should have rejected this "truce" and called for an unconditional admission of crime and apology from TSPA.

that is the only acceptable "truce". make the Pakis own up to their crime and demand an unconditional apology.

otherwise, it's just drama as usual and TSPA back to its usual nautanki in a couple of weeks.

peter · Post by **peter** » 17 Jan 2013 04:18

Aditya_V wrote:[..]

I guess this was the Attitude of Prithiviraj CHauhan to MD Ghori and rest of the Indian Kings. No wonder Ghori Ghazni had such a cakewalk.
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No idea where you are getting your history from. Ghori and Ghazni had no cakewalk.

Ghori was atleast defeated 2 times in India. Once in Gujarat by Solankis and the next time at Taraori by Prithiviraj.

Ghajni tasted defeat multiple times too. At the hands of Vidyadhar Chandela who built Khandariya Mahadeo at Khajurao after vanquishing Ghazni and also during his retreat from Somnath. Some conjecture that Anasagar lake in Ajmer was dug to clean/dissolve the blood of turukshas (Ghazni's forces) from the land near Ajmer. It was done by Prithviraj's ancestors.

The Nehruvites have such a stranglehold on the teaching of Indian history that generation after generation of Indians grows up thinking that these Pakis and their ancestors were superhuman and had a cakewalk in India.

Reality is far different.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Jan 2013 04:21

Peter, In High school we had a history book written by Ishwari Prasad. The final essay before the Muslim era was to discuss causes of Hindu defeat!!!

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 17 Jan 2013 04:24

Don't overlook the obvious.

We've heard many reports that this kind of pakbaric attack (crossing LoC and beheading/mutilating our soldiers) happens ALL THE TIME. Most of the time, reportage of such events is completely suppressed by the Aman Ki Asha PMO and their media goons-- as with the Aug 2011 incident. Probably there were many more such incidents that never came to light at all, until the one this January. No wonder a few reports have described the soldiers at the LoC as "seething." The Maino regime has fashioned whole domains of policy based on how little it values the lives of our soldiers and policemen.

Why, then, was the beheading story allowed to go public this time? Why was it suddenly being discussed on TV news channels and hitting the headlines? The fact that it follows so closely on the heels of reckless Aman ki Asha policymaking (cricket series, Siachen/Sir Creek talks, making visas available etc.) shows that giving publicity to such a story is an ad-hoc, last minute response to some other, sudden eventuality that panicked the Maino regime. In ordinary circumstances the beheading of Hemraj would have been suppressed just as all the other beheadings since August 2011 and probably since long before that.

No...The Maino regime has chosen not to suppress this particular beheading because it was desperate. It showed its willingness to sacrifice (or at least accept a setback) to Aman ki Asha... for fear of a greater danger to itself. That greater danger was the story following the Delhi gang rape.

Think I'm exaggerating? Well, consider this. People have been unhappy in India for a long time. But the things they were unhappy about, were ultimately bearable. Price increases, well, that happens, it's a fact of life. Corruption has always been a fact of life too. Even the Baba Ramdev/Anna Hazare campaigns last year ran out of steam because ultimately they were about crimes so gigantic and abstract... huge scams surrounding vast sums of public money beyond public comprehension... that finally the call of "everyday life" and its necessities, overcame the urge to go out and protest. With sufficient foot-dragging, obfuscation and playing for time, the Maino regime was able to stifle such protests.

The rape case was different. It involved a sort of crime... and a sort of systemic response to that crime from authorities associated with the Maino regime... that struck very, very close to home for crores of citizens. A type of crime so terrible that, when they see it reported in the back pages of some daily regional newspaper, most common people just switch their minds off to it and forget about it. Most importantly, a crime where the identification with the victim was huge, widespread and absolute. Ms. Pandey could have been anyone's daughter, anyone's sister. The deterioration of law and order that let a common citizen like her suffer and die horribly, randomly, for no reason... that breeds a kind of outrage far more incendiary, far more expansive, than contemplations of black money or 1.77 lakh crore scams. This was the other extreme... not a statistical tragedy, but a deeply personal one.

Finally, it was beginning to dawn on people at large that systemic misgovernance and corruption instituted by the Maino regime was directly responsible for atrocities that went far beyond the statistical (or, as Kapil Sibal put it, "notional.") It had created a state of affairs where your wife, daughter, sister could suffer something unimaginable, merely at random, only to be virtually guaranteed of the absence of justice. No protection, no rule of law... these things are much more damning and immediate than leaked reports of thefts from the exchequer. And at last, crores of people were looking directly at the other side of the coin, confronting the horrific personal repercussions of the systemic disaster that the criminal Maino regime has perpetrated.

What fear and desperation this caused at 10 Janpath has been indicated in many ways... from the three entire companies of crack paramilitary deployed outside the Dynasty's homes during the Delhi disturbances, to the shrill, hysterical accusations against nonentities like Asaram Bapu. When all other distractions failed, the only card left was to throw Pakistan Minister MMS' ill-conceived "Aman Ki Asha" under the Lahore Bus for a while... and to admit what has really been going on at the LOC all this while.

In raising the Pakistan spectre, the Maino regime has shown itself to be no different from any third-rate, hopelessly corrupt "civilian government" in Pakistan. In fact, it has shown itself to be far more shameless than any civilian government in Pakistan. At least the civilian governments in Pakistan didn't devote themselves to policies guaranteed to directly undermine Pakistan's interests vis-a-vis India, and hold up the fruits of those exact policies as a distraction from misgovernance.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 17 Jan 2013 04:27

Yes I agree. Truce regarding what? Where is the body part of the soldier taken as a trophy? They never accepted any wrong doing. And now back to normal business without any loss. IHL can now have Pakis, Mahesh Bhat can host couple of TSP terrorists and MMS can keep his Nobel prize dreams alive. Only that soldiers' families now don't have husbands and fathers. Truce it is.