Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Jan 2013 06:10

The more I think about it, the more I am certain that Tahirul Qadri is a judiciary plant. The army might not have explicitly signed up for this, instead choosing to wait and watch (upending the current government if things get out of hand). The judiciary probably had some master scheme of Tahirul Qadri marching up to Isloo and the Judiciary simultaneously ordering arrest of current PM. Which kinda backfired now, because people dont seem to be interested and Tahirul Qadri's followers are fertilizing all the lawns in Isloo.

Last time they convicted the PM (groper) they expected the regime to collapse. Instead, the opposition parties kept quiet (Nawaz probably thinks he will win, and so supports the elections. Many of them are beneficiaries of Musharraf corruption amnesty anyway, which the judiciary wants to reverse) and PPP survived. This time, they wanted to pony up a replacement and then arrest the PM.

The reason I think the army is not involved is because the usual suspects (Duffer-e-Bakistan and Immy the dimmy) dont seem to support the latest buffoon whole heartedly. Army has also kept quiet. Ofcourse, the Army would like to postpone the elections and have a "technocrat caretaker government (like Bangladesh)" for the next decade, till they sort out Afghanistan, send Jihadis to India and get more baksheesh from Unkil. The Army is also very suspicious of Nawaz (who is pissed for what they did to him, and is slowly biding his time). But I am not sure the Army is colluding actively. They are waiting to see who will win and if PPP gets sent packing and elections are postponed, they will step in and "save the country".

One more interesting thing is, as the buffoon's procession went from city to city, Pakis switched off mobile services in the city and switched them back on after 12-24 hours delay. I think that this prep is for getting the logistics right for the next Coup, where you can expect all mobiles to go off (Mushy had it easy, he only had to cut landlines, mobile phones were not as popular then). They probably want to control the internet for the same purpose too. And have been practicing blocking youtube, facebook etc. Youtube is still blocked in Pakistan.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 17 Jan 2013 06:35

^ What about massive financing. Where do you think the money is coming from? If not Army then definitely US?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Jan 2013 06:58

Just like Quaid, Qadri financed by MataBrtiania? Perfidious Uglicous Kutncious will protect its Oonglicious Paki investement made since 40s.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Jan 2013 07:06

kasthuri wrote:I am perfectly fine for editing it as I cannot change the public opinion on cancer. However, for us here, we make a living out of it. We cannot think cancer as *dreadful* as public may think - simply for the reason that science/medicine would take a beating. Nor the folks on the line would care, I think...

kasthuri, it is not about a particular type of disease. A person's health misfortunes are not to be linked with that person's views and opinions. This is a basic courtesy we extend to anyone. Period. No further debate on this issue.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Jan 2013 07:25

CRamS wrote:My good friend DocJi has said in the past that I over estimate US power. I disagree, but the reason I am bringing this up is to tell you that all this anger on the Indian side amounts to nothing, it willl dissipate in a few days, it will be business as usual, and aman ki tamasha will be back in full force. TSP has sent its message to Indian army, you dare make an aggressive move, and see what we can do to you.

CRamS garu the problem with Indians is that we don't want friendship with Pakistan. We lose some people and make some feeble attempts at firing back and kill a few terrorists at the border, but yet we remain angry and resentful.

The way forward is to emulate the US and declare that Pakistan is an ally, pay them 3 billion dollars a year and let no American rue the fact that a few GIs get killed now and again and claim victory by killing a few goats and 2 men using robots.

Using Occam's razor, the biggest difference between winning superpower USA and loser pipsqueak India is the mollycoddling of Pakistan. US citizens do not object to US mollycoddling of Pakistan. Indians resent that when the GoI does that. The way for India to become like the USA is exactly what the Indian government is doing, by mollycoddling Pakistan. India aspires to become a superpower by helping Pakistan and "making friendship" with Pakistan and not letting little irritants get in the way of friendship.

It is merely a state of mind. All we have to do is accept that Pakistan needs help. Once we get past that we will not worry who helps Pakistan. USA or India.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Jan 2013 07:57

abhijitm wrote:^ What about massive financing. Where do you think the money is coming from? If not Army then definitely US?

The Adjudicator-in-Chief's son has mysteriously become a successful businessman and has crores and crores of rupees. In fact that controversy came up recently. Arranging financing in Paki-land is not that big a deal.

disha · Post by **disha** » 17 Jan 2013 08:14

shiv wrote:The way forward is to emulate the US and declare that Pakistan is an ally, pay them 3 billion dollars a year and let no American rue the fact that a few GIs get killed now and again and claim victory by killing a few goats and 2 men using robots.

The picture I have is of Uncle Sam with a leash on a very rabid dog fed on diet of Allah and Army to terrorize the neighbourhood. So what if the rabid dog bites back once in a while and bites itself., as long as it remains rabid the purpose is served.

I have said that earlier and saying it again, Bakistan was never an independent country. It was either Aunty's dog or now is Unkil's dog. Once in a while the dog runs away and becomes somebody's dog. Now this rabid dog has powerful fangs thanks to Unkil.

What the current congI government with its a-monkey's-aisha routine is trying to do is make this rabid dog its *****. Looks like that part of the experiment failed and hence "business as usual" will not happen. The question is what next? And further question is that the current GOI truly realises it?

Today the painted donkey spoke that there should be FM level contacts and the Khan jumped in glee. A war-mongering rabid failed state is wrapping itself in the cloth of peace - oh the irony.

Just do not encourage any baki business or people in your circle, put them in place - and spread the word.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 17 Jan 2013 08:24

Is khar still the FM of PakDia? I thought s/he was replaced?..

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Jan 2013 08:34

Pak Fauj is doing a soft coup.
They have involved the judiciary in this, and some of their chamcha political parties like the MQM and the PML(Q).
They have given GPL (Musharraf Pe Laat) to biradher Imran 'playbuoy' khan, who was a showbaaz anyways. (AOA! Everyone knows Imran Bhai's true aukaat - the guy got a stern shove on his pichwada and went flying into the back of a jeep and that too by some lowly party workers and 3rd rung jihadis).

Now notice,
To bring some excitement to the gathering of abduls who were listening to qadri's boring ingliss speech, the fauj asked the CJ to dismiss Rental Raja, and release that info to the media when the abduls were planning to call it a day, when Qadri / Padri was giving his loooong boring ingliss ispeech. That probably electrified the abduls and the ayeshas quite a bit.

The border tension was pre meditated.
If the pakhana fauj gets into a confrontation with India, they can easily say "Islam khatre me hai, Pakhanistan khatre me hai" and "Pak fauj ka haath aap ke saath". They eagerly want the border to heat up.
Note they won't let the border heat up too much, they have confidence on two things:
1. MMS and Madam in power in Nai Dilli
2. Their ability to downhill ski, run to massa if things get out of hand - no shame shame for the already naked kyon ji?

Pak fauj crore commandus know that Manmohan singh and Sonia Gandhi are just warming the seats in Nai Dilli, expect no response from these guys, other than a weak kneed 'aman ki asha'.
MMS and Sonia madam don't have the guts or the international clout to manage an all out war anyways.
(An all out war is fought on the international diplomatic battlefield as much as on the real battle field.).
These two and the congressi chamchas don't have that capability, they will cry out for Aman Ki Asha after each atrocity. They will themselves stifle the tough domestic questions, because it exposes their lack of international clout, their lack of willpower, their lack of a plan to tackle a terrorist neighbouring state.

And god help us all if a silver chammach in the mouth rahul baba becomes PM. The guy has lead a protected life his whole life, how will he ever understand the crass haramigiri of the Pakis hain ji?
We need a street fighter, a son of the soil in the PM's chair.

Anyway back to Pakistan.
Their haramigiri on the border and within Pakistan can be brought to a halt only if,
1. Indian army gave them a mooh yod jawab on the border - like recapturing HajiPir Pass. But rest arrured, MMS and company will / are pulling the punches. Talk to a congressi sarkari babu in nai dilli and you will be treated to a retort like, "kya all out war karna hai kya? When a clear win is not possible". Why it is not possible will give you no clear answer.
2. Massa and Pakistan's permanent government from its permanent capital in Langley, VA, says so.
The Jernails will move heaven and earth to ensure that the sahib's farmaan is carried out with a curt s'loot.
The days of the little misunderstandings of Salala and hiding the shiekh, and wiring money to airline hijackers are well and truly behind us.

So AoA to all, Bismillah to all, and let us watch this pony show where Kiyani saab wants more power, and the poor pakistanis and a few indian soldiers will pay the price.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 17 Jan 2013 08:38

There is God after all. If the shitistani's had not once again given a demo of their tactical Khujli, Siachen, Kashmir and above all the region of all water sources in the Himalayas would have been given away by Moot Muth Singh.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Jan 2013 08:45

Swami Agnivesh criticizes Man Mohan Singh for his 'business not as usual' comment - The Hindu

In a statement here on Wednesday, Swami Agnivesh said Dr. Singh’s comment threatened to derail the India-Pakistan dialogue and peace process.

Of course he is right. Did not Man Mohan Singh decide wisely sometime back that the peace process would be 'uninterrupted and uninterruptible' ? How can he choose to do the opposite now ?

disha · Post by **disha** » 17 Jan 2013 08:50

SSridhar wrote:Swami Agnivesh criticizes Man Mohan Singh for his 'business not as usual' comment - The Hindu

Swami who? Oh the Vespa named guy. He would have passed a peaceful, not-remembered existence and yama would have taken him out of his misery in some future time, but now Hindu has resurrected him.

Do people even read it? Or is it paid news from Hindu?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Jan 2013 08:53

Sensible column. Signing "Uninterrupted and uninterruptible" agreements will not assuage Indian citizens or lead to friendly or stable relationship. The quicker our no-ball netas realize this, the better.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... %3Darticle

However disproportionate India's reaction to this incident seems, the larger shift in attitudes it underscores ought to be welcomed. Simply put, a vocal and growing Indian middle class does not want peace in South Asia to come at the cost of endless Indian forbearance....

This makes India's traditional policy toward Pakistan, to absorb attacks rather than retaliate against them, hard to sustain. And that is probably a good thing for the cause of lasting peace on the subcontinent.

In the short term, departure from India's habitual posture of restraint may increase instability by raising the prospect of a war between the nuclear-armed neighbors. But the sooner Pakistan's generals and their jihadist proxies learn that violence against India carries unpleasant consequences, the more likely they are to abandon a nearly 25-year-old strategy to bleed their larger neighbor through the proverbial thousand cuts.

Once this elementary lesson of good neighborliness is learned, the two countries can build a wide-ranging, mutually beneficial relationship without constantly fretting that it will be derailed by the next terrorist outrage or atrocity at the line of control.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Jan 2013 08:57

TSP business team cancels visit to India but Trade Minister terrorist coming

However, Pakistan’s Commerce and Industry Minister, Makhdoom Amin Fahim is firm on his visit to take part in the Annual Partnership Summit of Trade and Commerce Ministers to be held in Agra from January 27. The 11-member business delegation planning to take part in the Confederation of Indian Industry-organised summit has called off its visit in view of the rising tensions between the two countries.

This Fahim guy has said that Anand Sharma understood the reason for TSP not meeting the Dec. 31 deadline for MFN and was even sympathetic. We should ask Anand Sharma what he understood and why he is sympathetic.

disha · Post by **disha** » 17 Jan 2013 09:00

SSridhar wrote:TSP business team cancels visit to India but Trade Minister terrorist coming
However, Pakistan’s Commerce and Industry Minister, Makhdoom Amin Fahim is firm on his visit to take part in the Annual Partnership Summit of Trade and Commerce Ministers to be held in Agra from January 27. The 11-member business delegation planning to take part in the Confederation of Indian Industry-organised summit has called off its visit in view of the rising tensions between the two countries.
This Fahim guy has said that Anand Sharma understood the reason for TSP not meeting the Dec. 31 deadline for MFN and was even sympathetic. We should ask Anand Sharma what he understood and why he is sympathetic.

There is cut, short-cut and chota-cut.

Fahim guy wants chota-cut., since the short-cut did not materialize due to issues on the faraway border and the cut did not materialize due to no MFN status.

Baat karne ke liye, jaw-jaw karne ke liye chota-cut to milenga hi. Nahin to ae soar "painted donkey" ke paas jayenga - tit for that...

disha · Post by **disha** » 17 Jan 2013 09:06

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... %3Darticle

From the above:

Rather than urging restraint on India after every fresh outrage, the international community should lean on Pakistan to accept retaliation as the logical price of misadventure.

Now Khan wants to sell drone and outsource dronacharya?

Why not no F-16s, no submarines, no WLRs, no spares, no money, no food, no oil by the international community till the rabid dog behaves? What happens when the talibunnies get the miniaturized nukes in their hands?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Jan 2013 09:36

What is BCCI going to decide about cricket? Pakshitstan Cricket board is willing to play anywhere.

The shameless traitors of BCCI will say "Cricket must not be sullied by politics. It is OK if a few soldiers get beheaded, but we will play Pakistan because it is so so lucrative for us. Our own asses will always be fat and safe."

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 17 Jan 2013 09:42

Bollywood denounces impact of Indo-Pak tension on art

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Jan 2013 09:50

yes,all that Bollywood is interested in is raking in its "30 pieces of silver" on a regular basis from Dawood's handouts.The cardboard cutouts of Bollywood ,who are so bothered about "art" while their countrymen are beheaded,wear their patriotism these days on their sleeves and not in their hearts.

disha · Post by **disha** » 17 Jan 2013 09:54

shiv wrote:What is BCCI going to decide about cricket? Pakshitstan Cricket board is willing to play anywhere.

The shameless traitors of BCCI will say "Cricket must not be sullied by politics. It is OK if a few soldiers get beheaded, but we will play Pakistan because it is so so lucrative for us. Our own asses will always be fat and safe."

Nothing will happen till the chatterrati and litterati and the BCCI buffoons feel the pain. BCCI is the dukan for them. Not just that, the players also need to take a stand.

Sharad Pawar and Dalmiyas are using BCCI as their dukaan ...

What about Sachin Tendulkar? He has earned enough and is on way to retirment, what is he saying? Keeping mum - did he ever quit the game? He should have resigned sending a message - that he does not want to play with bakis till they mend their ways. Are we going to wait till the elite's actually feel the pain and react? Why only bombay, surat, ahmedabad, hyderabad or pune suffers? Why not bangalore, chennai, madurai, kolkotta suffer - and no not the aam-admi - poor guy has to make sure that he can sell his do-bigha for educating the daughter or son., why not the chatteratis and the liberatis? Does the bhadralok suffer?

Is wishing that the boorkhas, the swamys, the dhoti-roys be there - going through the same fate make them change?

Where is the social ostracization in the "comity of nations"? Are we to wait for them to feel the pain and react? That will be too late.

Heck even on this forums when the likes of theos and vinas support murderers by all means - we still call them respectfully and with reverence "ji-s". When will we learn?

disha · Post by **disha** » 17 Jan 2013 10:00

Anindya wrote:Bollywood denounces impact of Indo-Pak tension on art

First of all bollywood used to be art but now in the name of art they are nothing but a bunch of farts. With songs like chikni-chameli, fevicol and zandu-balms - they have become a vendor of soft *****. If that is considered as an art form as part of navarasa - so be it. What Bollywood now is nothing but a soft ***** industry masquerading as art.

Second, UndiTV gives some 2-bit artist instant "fame" by letting him spill his garbage and tie it on the entire "film" industry - and we give them further air time. Will what visited the brave soldiers visit bollywood knock them out of their perch?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Jan 2013 10:09

Log poochte Hai ki,Pakisttan Ka Majhab Kya Hai ??????
Chaar Chaar Fathers,Philr bhi hai Confusion
Ki,Yeh Kuubra Katura Kiska Hai?
Weed ki Tarah paida Hua ki,Yaan Gandhe Aande se ooppja Hai?
Kaffir Shias ko Shoot Kar Daily, Ahamdi Gardano Ko roz Kaat Diya Hai
Hinduo Ke Baccho Ka qital Shauk se orr Sikho Ka Bhi Sirr kalam Kiya Hai
Maseeho ke Limbs ka bhi Noch Kiya Hai
Phir Bhi Log confuse hai orr Poochte hai ki
Pakistan Ka Majhab Kya Hai,
Behre Hai orr sunnte Nahi ,ki.Paki Khudd Kehte Hai ki,Pakistan Ka Majhab
Pure Islam and Motto Jihad Sabhillilah Hai.
Maternal Ancetors Ke Rape Par hai ghooman Inko
Tabhi Tho Status me Inse ooncha
Poobaah Ka arabi Pilla Hai .

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Jan 2013 10:13

I never understood the logic of "more cultural and sports contact to reduce tensions" but "tensions should not affect cultural and sports contacts"

Is the effect one way? More contact = less tension, but more tension has no impact on contacts?

sadhana · Post by **sadhana** » 17 Jan 2013 10:33

The way for Indian govt to deal with this on-again off-again peepul-to-peepul sports/etc contacts should be:

1. Already committed schedules should be kept
2. All future potential commitments should be put on hold.
3. All Pakistanis and Bangladeshis applying for any visa should sign a declaration
a. They denounce jihadi organisations and provide no support either politically or monetarily or via membership of themselves or family members(up to fourth cousin and his goats)
b. They do not deal in crime, illegal betting, arms, fake Indian currency and drugs nor do any relatives(up to fourth cousin and his goats)
c. They believe in equality of all religious groups and in equal right of belief and worship of all religious groups.
d. They believe in equality of women in all spheres(Imran Khan needs to sign this next time he visits for eg)

e. Any departure from this means they can be denied a visa

Of course this may prevent the Pak cricket team from qualifying for visas

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 17 Jan 2013 10:38

How about good fences mean good neighbors, a 50 year cool out period with no Indo-Pak connectivity, no war , no contact, no trade. and Pakistan is allowed to tackle its internal problems

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Jan 2013 10:42

Apparently Hina wants a meeting. Ask her to F off, return the mortal remains, conduct an inquiry and then we will see. Till then shoot one TFTA per day.

Pakis meet Indians just to posture, issue some self righteous statements and we are gluttons for punishment.

Only way to bring them to line is to rub their noses in the mud and give a resounding jhappad publicly.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Jan 2013 10:54

Shyam Saran:
http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... sm/498935/

Pakistan’s provocation and the brutality exhibited by its forces deserve a well-considered response, but disrupting India-Pakistan dialogue once again is not the answer. A sustained engagement is necessary precisely because we need to manage an adversarial relationship between two nuclear weapon states. Dialogue should be the platform on which we should lay down our red lines and exercise such leverage as we can. Potential pressure points are a more proactive posture in Afghanistan with a clear objective of frustrating Pakistan’s strategy in that country. There should be a more consistent and forceful assertion of our claims on Gilgit and Baltistan in line with our stated position that the entire erstwhile state of Jammu and Kashmir is an integral part of India. This has remained muted in view of expectations of reaching some understanding with Pakistan on J&K. The situation is now different. Finally, India should raise its voice against the Pakistan army’s human rights violations in Balochistan, where the brutality we have witnessed at the LoC is a daily and persistent scourge against a hapless people.

There is understandably a sense of outrage in the country against the perpetrators of this horrific and cruel act against an Indian soldier. Our response needs to go beyond notions of revenge and matching violence. The aim should not be confined to responding to this one act of provocation; we need to work towards changing the calculus in Islamabad that leads to such a pattern of behaviour. This requires a strategy that avoids a binary choice between going to war and taking actions that lack credibility such as refusal to talk or refusal to play cricket.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 17 Jan 2013 11:11

shiv wrote:
CRamS wrote:My good friend DocJi has said in the past that I over estimate US power. I disagree, but the reason I am bringing this up is to tell you that all this anger on the Indian side amounts to nothing, it willl dissipate in a few days, it will be business as usual, and aman ki tamasha will be back in full force. TSP has sent its message to Indian army, you dare make an aggressive move, and see what we can do to you.

CRamS garu the problem with Indians is that we don't want friendship with Pakistan. We lose some people and make some feeble attempts at firing back and kill a few terrorists at the border, but yet we remain angry and resentful.

The way forward is to emulate the US and declare that Pakistan is an ally, pay them 3 billion dollars a year and let no American rue the fact that a few GIs get killed now and again and claim victory by killing a few goats and 2 men using robots.

Using Occam's razor, the biggest difference between winning superpower USA and loser pipsqueak India is the mollycoddling of Pakistan. US citizens do not object to US mollycoddling of Pakistan. Indians resent that when the GoI does that. The way for India to become like the USA is exactly what the Indian government is doing, by mollycoddling Pakistan. India aspires to become a superpower by helping Pakistan and "making friendship" with Pakistan and not letting little irritants get in the way of friendship.

It is merely a state of mind. All we have to do is accept that Pakistan needs help. Once we get past that we will not worry who helps Pakistan. USA or India.

Doc ji- key differences.

1) USA is Geographically protected from Direct Paki actions.

2) they do not give Visa on arrival to Pakis, in fact they do everything to keep Pakis out

3) they do not accept beheadings by Pakis, they infact somethings kill Paki soldiers in Af-PAK borders like last year.

4) they do not accept Pakis as equal. Pakis are made to made to accept a servant Master relationship

USA does not appease Pakis because they have to but they want to keep them driving knifes into India and help Saudis.

partha · Post by **partha** » 17 Jan 2013 11:47

Anindya wrote:Bollywood denounces impact of Indo-Pak tension on art

400% agree that Bollywood has only 2 people.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Jan 2013 12:27

Sherry is bull cutlet?

http://dawn.com/2013/01/17/sc-admits-pe ... blasphemy/

The Supreme Court on Thursday admitted a petition filed against Sherry Rehman over allegedly committing blasphemy, DawnNews reported.

The petition was heard by a two-judge bench of the apex court comprising Justice Anwar Zaheer Jamali and Justice Ejaz Afzal.

The bench directed CPO Multan Amir Zulfiqar to take action in accordance with the law.

Note that she is Paki ambassador to the US and might have done some shenanigans to keep Zardari in power, provoking ire from various quarters. (Good) Haqqani was earlier booted out for pretty much the same reasons, he is facing charges of treason in the Supreme court.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 17 Jan 2013 13:07

Sherryji would have made advance arrangements for such an eventuality. Just stay put.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Jan 2013 14:32

Khar taking a leaf from Zardari's book simply want an heir to the throne with the name Bhutto. That's why she divorced her earlier husband. And after she has a son from Bilawal, Bilawal too can check out the sunroof lever treatment.

Mr. Khar, Oh Birkin Baba ji, we all know what you're thinking.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Jan 2013 15:31

The timing of the case against Ms. Sherry Rehman and that too directly in the Supreme Court, look highly suspicious. After she tabled a bill to amend laws relating to death punishment in blasphemy cases, a cleric in Karachi issued a fatwa of blasphemy against her and judged her eligible for 'wajib-ul-qitl'. That was in January 2011. She was running the Jinnah Institute, an Army-backed institute, in Karachi. As the good Haqqani was removed from Ambassadorship, the TSPA endorsed Ms. Sherry's appointment to Washington D.C. Everybody thought that the blasphemy issue had been forgotten. It is being resurrected now, a full two years' later ? Ms. Sherry had, one suspected always, the backing of the TSPA. So, what has changed ?

I believe that the judiciary is trying to mount enormous pressure on the ruling PPP from all directions and make them quit asap. The Judiciary may be acting independently here though at an overall level it has a tacit understanding with the TSPA on the direction to follow. In this process, individuals do not matter as much as the cause.

The extreme danger in Pakistan is one doesn’t know when one will be bumped off by the TTP or the Army and now the judiciary. Recent cases of BB, Maj. Gen. Feisal Alavi, Col. Imam, Sq. Ldr. Khwaja, Syed Saleem Shehzad, Maulvi Nazeer, Bilour et al quickly come to mind. Musharraf, Maulana Fazlur Rehman, Asfandyar Wali Khan, Gilani et al just barely escaped.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 17 Jan 2013 15:45

Anindya wrote:Bollywood denounces impact of Indo-Pak tension on art

Somebody is going around planting these type of articles to cool down tempers in India -- most probably it is the US. Here is another one:

Tension with Pak to wound medical tourism industry

Goras have this age-old strategy followed after every major incident against India. It is projected that the sky is going to fall if India does anything against Pakistan despite repeated provocations and butchery of Indians by Pakistanis. The Goras are protecting their asset against an Indian retaliation while at the same time empowering Pakistan to do more and more damage to Indians. The Goras tell Pakistan "You keep hitting India and don't worry, we will not allow anything to happen to you as we will actively manage public opinion there." Indian journalists are willing stooges in this game.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Jan 2013 16:37

Qadri & Govt begin talks - Dawn

Talks had begun between a government delegation and Tahirul Qadri, chief of the Tehrik-i-Minhajul Quran (TMQ), in Islamabad on Thursday, DawnNews reported.

The delegation comprises of Afrasiab Khattak, Farooq Naek, Qamar Zaman Kaira, Chaudhry Shujaat, Babar Ghauri, Khurshid Shah, Amin Faheem, Farooq Sattar and Mushahid Hussain.

Meanwhile, FIA launches probe into Qadri's source of funding

The FIA has obtained proof, including a video, on the funding received by Qadri and his party.

The government has moreover sought assistance from the Canadian government over details of the TMQ.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 17 Jan 2013 16:40

X-posting
Qwadri is an attempt by the London-Washington axis to try and stabilize Pakistan under an Islamist regime which
(1) would apparently be more under their direct control
(2) which can be given an image globally to be a "modernized" and "acceptably toned down" version of Islam

They fear that without such a stabilizing motion, the resulting Caliphate could become totally out of control like Iran and Afghanistan. They have previously allowed semi-home grown caliphs from the Islamic zones to come to power, but all of them have proved turncoats after some time.

They are hoping to do it better this time with Qadri. Quadri has however dropped enough scattered hints in his various works from the 1980-90's stretch that he - under all his "modern", liberal, "progressive", "sufi" shine -

(a) believes in the single political unit interpretation of the concept of the ummah
(b) believes in the concept of an Islamic state with Muslim majority under Islamic law
(c) his fundamental and original obsession in islam was the punishments/penalties
(d) he sees himself as a kind of new "interpreter" of Islam for the "modern period".

Qadri's connections go into very similar profiles that - even though disparately - but in a common underlying politically astute "modern" reaction to non-Islam - branch both into Egyptian theologians of the Al Azhar den, and the Sufi roots used by Khomeini in his pre-Ayatollate stage.

The west, knowingly or otherwise - is creating a new Khomeini for the subcontinent. It could not be initiated directly from Londonistan or Washingtonabad. Canada, the homebase of experiments like Khalistanis, would be a good neutral starting point from within the inner commonwealth.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 17 Jan 2013 16:41

Parts of the current regime would see red in the western attempt to kick them out of gaddi - so qadri is not coming in on a red carpet either.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 17 Jan 2013 17:38

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 17 Jan 2013 17:41

Colonel Anil A Athale's views are interesting. I have always felt that with TSPA and pigLeTs two sides of the same coin, Hafeez pig cannot be in the bad books of Unkil, all the noises they (US) not withstanding. He is a "good Isalmist" like many of Unkil's other tin pots. Are we going to see MMS hold talks with LeT and slavish DDM now start inviting Hafeez to Hindustan Times summit or India Today conclave? Recall how much MushRat is lionized by DDM.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 17 Jan 2013 17:46

Anindya wrote:Bollywood denounces impact of Indo-Pak tension on art

My blood boild not just at the Pakis, but also at India's stupidity

Lyricist, screenwriter and poet Prasoon Joshi believes that art should not be hostage to politics - and that artists, in fact, play a part in improving relations.

I mean, this stupid sentiment is so f%^&ing pervasive in India that one wonders if India really deserves the treatment it gets? How does one get across the message t eunuchs like this guy that India & TSP are not disagreeing over some benign trade dspute. We are talking about terror and be-heading. We are talking a fundamental Paki mindset. This is not politics.