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arvin wrote:Sirji, I feel he would soon make New Dilli irrelevant, from the current hafta tax collecting status it has inherited.
Dilli always had an inherited stink of Dynasty...all the way down from the Mughals to the Nehru-Mainos. Bad omen to have made it the capital.

Western India, which is closer to the heart of India, both culturally and geographically - probably makes more sense. Also it is closer to the entrepreneurial and innovation hubs of the country.

// Not suggesting Modi have this on his agenda at all ... more like a nice-to-have 50 -year plan. //
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Modi's march to 2014
Delhi's Chanakyapuri virtually emptied out last weekend as diplomats made a beeline for Gandhinagar to attend the Vibrant Gujarat summit, signalling that the western world which had once shunned the Gujarat chief minister for what happened in 2002 is now looking at him with new eyes.

India Inc, with its who's who present at the meeting, has always viewed Narendra Modi as prime ministerial material. But in January 2013 they outdid each other in their praise, comparing him to Gandhi, Sardar Patel, Arjun (from the Maha-bharat), a "king among kings".
What may also work for him is the 'enough is enough' mood developing in the urban middle class today. It has manifested in the anti-corruption crusade of Anna Hazare and Arvind Kejriwal and, more recently, in the way young people all over the country poured out on the streets to protest against the brutal gang rape of a 23-year-old in Delhi.

It is the ineptitude of UPA-II — its inability to handle recent agitations, a weak leadership, charges of mega corruption, and its failure to contain rising prices — which has created a certain environment in the country today. Could Modi, with his tough image, no charges of corruption and focus on deve-lopment — though there is a flip side to the Gujarat growth story with poor social indices and high levels of malnutrition — step into that vacuum of leadership that exists today?

So far, the BJP has failed to emerge as the alternative. And so far, the Modi magic had not worked outside Gujarat wherever he had gone to campaign.

The floating voter who had gravitated towards the 'moderate' Vajpayee in 1998, enabling the NDA to come to power, was essentially the liberal Hindu. The voter who might look at Modi today — though this is still an imponderable and needs to be tested — would also be Hindu, urban, middle class, possibly young and hankering for a strong leader. The cries for capital punishment for rapists and the growing desire for leaders who can lead from the front, even if they are autocratic, are worrying straws in the wind.
Modi could emerge a player in 2014 only if he can take his party to a 200-seat tally. He is eyeing the 106 Lok Sabha seats where the BJP had lost by less than a lakh votes in 2009, and the around 70 urban seats which were responsible for the Cong-ress's 2004 and 2009 victories.

He is also eyeing three large states — Maharashtra, Karnataka and Uttar Pradesh — in addition to those where the BJP is a player, and is in close touch with both Uddhav Thackeray and Raj Thackeray as well as Ramdas Athavale of the RPI. He also enjoys an excellent personal equation with Sharad Pawar. Down south, B S Yeddyurappa, who broke ranks with the BJP but is known for his proximity to Modi, has been lying low since Modi's victory.

The real challenge for him will be UP. There is speculation that he may contest the Lok Sabha from Lucknow, the seat once held by Atal Bihari Vajpayee.

Of course, a major hurdle before Modi is the opposition he will face from the BJP's senior leaders, as also from a section of the RSS family. But the conti-nuation of RSS appointee Nitin Gadkari as BJP chief for a second term, which is now on the cards despite the charges levelled against him, indicates that some kind of an understanding has been worked out between the RSS top brass and Modi.

All these are early signs of a man on the move, his attention focussed on the bullseye. Ultimately, everything will hinge on how the Hindu, urban middle class, particularly the youth, respond to Narendra Modi.
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Hello 2013: blame Nehru dynasty for India’s growth collapse
Deepak Lal, James S Coleman Professor Emeritus, UCLA

http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2013/0 ... z2I0jSElk6
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Its clear NM is not going to rush headlong seeking to maintain some alleged 'momentum' from the Guj state polls victory. He is cautiously moving the pieces on the board. And not interrupting whilst UPA is busy alienating ever more voters and self-destructing its considerable poll chances. JMTPs.
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Sushupti wrote:Hello 2013: blame Nehru dynasty for India’s growth collapse
Deepak Lal, James S Coleman Professor Emeritus, UCLA

http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2013/0 ... z2I0jSElk6
This is a fantastic article ! Hopefully represents the vanguard of a new generation of IQ-driven economists who can say it like it is and put Jurassic, brain-dead Dynasty apologists posing as economic "liberalizers" to sleep.
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Hari Seldon wrote:Its clear NM is not going to rush headlong seeking to maintain some alleged 'momentum' from the Guj state polls victory. He is cautiously moving the pieces on the board. And not interrupting whilst UPA is busy alienating ever more voters and self-destructing its considerable poll chances. JMTPs.
I agree. He will take his time. No need to deflect all the heat.
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Modi’s slogan ‘development for all and appeasement of none’ is impacting Muslims

When reminded that Modi didn’t give ticket to a single Muslim in the recent polls, Malang Pathan, a BJP worker in Palej, says: “Needy Muslims want development, not tickets .” Rasool Khan, a farmer, goes a step further: “The Modi Government has given us everything that we wanted, from roads and hospital to potable drinking water. Why shouldn’t we vote for Modi?”

In Porbandar, the Barelvis, who far outnumber Deobandis, played a key role in the defeat of state Congress chief Arjun Modhwadia as nearly 65 per cent of the local Muslims voted for BJP candidate Babu Bokhiriya.

http://blogs.intoday.in/indiatoday/Modi ... 62977.html
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The guy is still using the word "Hindu Rate of Growth" and not the "Nehru Rate of Growth" which it actually was. When India had the Hindu rate of growth, it was called the Golden Bird by the rest of the world.
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Everyone’s favourite Mataji: Sushma Swaraj’s big bindi politics

by Lakshmi Chaudhry Jan 16, 2013

"If Sonia Gandhi is a dynastic trophy, Sushma Swaraj, the recently appointed CM of Delhi, is being projected as the icon of 'ordinary' Hindu womanhood. The blazing sindoor, the dominating tika, the severely-wrapped coloured cotton sari and nose-ring all proclaim her as a modern-day Sita-upholder of the RSS ideals of family, nation and the Hindu character," observed Sagarika Ghose in a 1998 profile.

Decades later, Sushma Swaraj appears less Sitaji and more Mataji, the same bindi, sindoor et al exuding a familiar matronliness. The neighbourhood aunty who is likely to accost you at the local market to enquire at length about your family's well-being. That's until she opens her mouth and rudely shatters the mirage of moon-faced benevolence.
"If his (Hemraj's) head could not be brought back (from Pakistan), we should get at least 10 heads from there side," she thundered in Red Queen-esque rage at the recent LoC killings. The blood-curdling language is the latest example of what has become a Swaraj trademark: intemperate, over-the-top rhetoric. The most famous being her vow to shave her head and eat peanuts if that dastardly Italian woman dared take the Prime Minister's gaddi.

All things, great and small, can get our lady of the BJP worked up, be it the McAloo burger or the Delhi gang-rape. "Accused in such cases should be hanged," she told Parliament, her righteous fury matched only by her overwrought -- and misplaced -- pity for the victim. "When a woman gets murdered, she gets killed once. But when she gets raped, she dies again and again," she declaimed in true Hindi movie style, "If this girl survives, she will be a zinda laash (living dead)."

The only thing missing was a sobbing AK Hangal in the background.

The sole reason Auntyji didn't call for chemical castration is that it would require invoking that great unmentionable, as in the penis. Swaraj's aversion to genitalia dates back to her stint as an Information & Broadcasting minister in 2003 when she canceled Doordarshan's AIDS awareness ads aimed at rural viewers because of their unsavoury references to -- Hai Ram!-- condoms.

This overweening concern for family-friendly TV didn't endear her to health experts. The cranky AIIMS professor AB Dey grumbled, "The percentage of transmissions through the sexual route prove we can't be pious about sex. Having multiple sexual partners is a genetic urge. It can't be controlled by singing bhajans."

We don't know about her views on sex and bhajans, but Mrs Swaraj most certainly believes in the super-powers of "patriotic songs" to combat corruption. So much so that she danced on Gandhijis grave during Anna's one-day fast, drawing criticism from party-pooping UPA types.

"This was around two in the morning. I stepped in for a brief moment to boost the morale of our Party workers." explained a theatrically injured Swaraj, "In keeping with this tradition, I was asked to join in when party workers were singing and dancing to the song 'Ye desh he veer jawano ka'"

Who among us can resist shaking a leg to that catchy number? (Other than sickular liberals who hate their country, of course.)

Like all those tough-but-tender Matajis on TV, Sushmaji is truly beloved by all -- including the very bad boys she's so eager to battle. For example, the Bellary brothers who call her their "godmother" -- the very same one who religiously visited Bellary every year to bestow her favours. Or the underworld kingpin Romesh Sharma who told reporters, "I am surprised why she doesn't remember having met me. I know her and she is a very nice lady."

No one, however, remembers or cares. She remains forever that nice BJP lady, never mind the blood-curdling rhetoric, needless drama, and misbegotten 'godsons'. Where poor Narendra Modi battles ceaseless accusations of corruption, evoking howls of outrage when he says one word out of line, Sushma remains immune. Shielded by by her teflon bharatiya nari bindi -- and a big old smear of sindoor (just in case the mega-dot fails to do the job) -- she doesn't have to endure an agnipariksha to prove her virtue. This Mataji is certainly no Sita.
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The family is feeling the heat if they have turned the chatteratti on Shusma Swaraj.
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She calls him Governor of Gujarat in the very first sentence. Had to be edited later. Don't know whether to laugh or cry anymore.

India’s Narendra Modi and the Tale of Two Rapes - http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-1 ... rapes.html

One of the most obscene moments after the death of the gang-rape victim in New Delhi was a tweet by Narendra Modi, the chief minister of the Indian state of Gujarat, offering regret and condolences to the dead woman’s family.

Modi, who has quelled restive minorities by allowing attackers to subject women to unspeakable horrors, has done more than any man to numb his prudish country to sexual violence. Yet he was elected to a third term last month and is the presumptive front-runner of the Bharatiya Janata Party, the main Hindu opposition party, for prime minister in next year’s national elections.
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She doesnt find the inaction of the castratti an obscene moment? :(

By allowing the psec commentariat the whole space India has doen herself a great disservice.


The most obscene moment is that the gang rape occured at all in Delhi the national capital.

Next one is it was allowed to happen with so many policemen who should have stopped the bus for many traffic rules:operating with curtains drawn, lights out etc for a period of two hours.

Next one is the police arguing whose jurisdiction the case would be instead of rushing her to a hospital.

Next is the Prseident's son commenting the victim was "painted and dented"

Next is the legal system allowing the maximum use of all loopholes:juvenile status, shifting the case so on and so forth

Next one is how the INC supporters circled their wagons to protect the castratti to remain in power.

The most egrregous obscene moment was rascals like Mahesh Butt and his ilk blaming Hindu society for the gang rape.
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Ameet wrote:She calls him Governor of Gujarat in the very first sentence. Had to be edited later. Don't know whether to laugh or cry anymore.

India’s Narendra Modi and the Tale of Two Rapes - http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-1 ... rapes.html

One of the most obscene moments after the death of the gang-rape victim in New Delhi was a tweet by Narendra Modi, the chief minister of the Indian state of Gujarat, offering regret and condolences to the dead woman’s family.

Modi, who has quelled restive minorities by allowing attackers to subject women to unspeakable horrors, has done more than any man to numb his prudish country to sexual violence. Yet he was elected to a third term last month and is the presumptive front-runner of the Bharatiya Janata Party, the main Hindu opposition party, for prime minister in next year’s national elections.
Sounds like Goras have found a new coolie fresh off the boat.
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SEARCH FOR A BETTER LIFE

- In economic terms, Gujarat is on a roll

Swapan Dasgupta

However, in a recent conversation he underlined a facet of Gujarat’s development. Gujarat, he told me, merely has a seafront. It has no raw materials — no iron ore for steel, no coal for power and no diamond mines. Yet it has made huge strides in these fields. Imagine, he added, if we had the natural resources of an Assam, a Jharkhand and a West Bengal: “I would have changed the face of India.”

For India’s sake I hope he gets the opportunity.


http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130118/j ... Pi3Ph0Tg44
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Undie TV is reporting citing sources that NM is all set to become the chairman of the BJP campaign committee for the 2014 elections as widely suspected. NM will be having Guj and also as face of the BJP campaign..He is not being rushed into a make or break elections... good to hear..lets see what happend in the Feb conclave
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NM leading BJP to election on his terms is imminent. Nitin Gadkari Vs NaMo is a fake fight for the eyes of undies. The reality is that with NG NaMo forms his team. :)
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Muppalla wrote:NM leading BJP to election on his terms is imminent. Nitin Gadkari Vs NaMo is a fake fight for the eyes of undies. The reality is that with NG NaMo forms his team. :)
Satya Vachan Sirji! :)
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This is why Gadkari was targeted in the first place. He was backing Modi for top job. Gurumurthy had disproved Cong/Media claims that Gadkari was involved in scam.

Modi is playing the long game. I think its a bit more official now - RSS is going for junior role with Modi.
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The reality of the dynasty and our PM with a PhD, as I see it:
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Bose babu be careful on your next visit to the billi house.
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manio ji: what! get me my usual caffe bhorgetti!!
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Sanku wrote:Bose babu be careful on your next visit to the billi house.
Dilli loot governor lives in the same area. :mrgreen:
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SC has to decide on Zakia Jafri's petition if more documents have to be given to Zakia Jafri or not. Harish Salve says witness need protection so should be moved out of Gujarat. This he got to understand after 10 years.

The local court in Gujarat has to decide whether SIT report of closure has to be accepted or not. Now because of SC order this cannot be done. Even if the SC gives an all clear Harish Salve is also there. And all so that these guys can fool the people longer.

NM supporters should simply go ahead and advertise it as an attempt to hoodwink people. To prevent the truth from being told. Judiciary can decide whatever it likes whenever it likes.
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RoyG wrote:This is why Gadkari was targeted in the first place. He was backing Modi for top job. Gurumurthy had disproved Cong/Media claims that Gadkari was involved in scam.

Modi is playing the long game. I think its a bit more official now - RSS is going for junior role with Modi.

The sources said that during recent BJP-RSS talks, Mohanrao Bhagwat’s emissaries had made it clear to Advani, Murli Manohar Joshi and others that the Sangh chief’s choice was Gadkari and Gadkari alone.

Advani and Joshi had objected that Gadkari’s “integrity” was under a cloud because of charges relating to his company’s financial dealings. But they were “politely” reminded that these were media accusations and that Gadkari had offered to face a government probe.

Advani was not persuaded, the sources said. When the Sangh suggested Rajnath Singh as an alternative, Advani again demurred.

He said that if it was a matter of reappointing a former party president (Rajnath was Gadkari’s predecessor), then why not bring M. Venkaiah Naidu back? The Sangh was unenthusiastic about Naidu who had quit his post in 2004 citing his wife’s “illness”.

Then Advani mentioned Sushma. The Sangh apparently said that if he could persuade her to accept the post, they would not have an issue.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130118/j ... PmZNR0Tg44
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From teh Swapan Dasgupta op-ed in Telegraph, Looks like Modi has implemented the economic growth policy while the UPA as stalled the economic reforms in 2004-2012 period while professing the opposite, leading to the sorry mess we have now.
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http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130118/j ... PmZNR0Tg44

Sushuptiji highlighted the politics part. Strategy is given below.
The party is not expected to do well, and election defeats soon after taking charge as party chief could have reflected poorly on Sushma.

Modi wait

A proposal to ask Modi to head the party’s central campaign committee may not fructify immediately.

“The BJP’s first political test will be the Karnataka elections, due in April. The assessment is, it will lose after (B.S.) Yeddyurappa’s desertion. (A loss of power in) Jharkhand might follow or happen simultaneously,” a source said.

“Assuming that Modi is brought in as star campaigner and we lose these states, he will come down with a thud and perhaps get written off before the 2014 battle. We are told that Modi is prepared to campaign but in a limited way — as just another BJP leader. He has indicated he cannot be expected to work a miracle in Karnataka or Jharkhand.”

Sources said a final decision on Modi’s foregrounding was expected towards the end of the year when the BJP fights the next slew of polls in Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, Rajasthan and Delhi. It hopes to retain power in the first two states and wrest the others from the Congress.

If this happens, we will get a big momentum for the next big fight and Modi will provide the push everyone is looking for,” a source said.
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Bose babu,
bhy phor jew did knot drew raul baba and his aaya(nurse), diggy?

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I think T will not be a factor in next elections whether T is granted or not. Kongis will be routed in all regions, as far as I can see. If despite such fantastic misrule, people vote for Kongis, then there is nothing more to say about them. The question is can the other parties gain from Kongi's loss?

I suspect TRS is more fluff than matter. And I don't expect much from TRS. YSRC may gain some votes, but I don't see them becoming a principal party(opposition or ruling). They are more likely to be a EJ version of MIM and Old City in Hyd being Rayalaseema. That leaves TDP. So, I am expecting TDP to win. I am expecting TDP to win, not because of its own efforts, but due to the failings of other parties. Strictly speaking, the present chaos in AP are scathing indictment of failure of TDP as an opposition party. Very much similar to the failure of BJP at centre.

In Hyd, BJP has backing from T-people in old city area, while it has backing of non-T people in other areas like Narayanguda(Kishan Reddy's constituency).

BJP's T stand is a joke and I don't expect it to gain anything based on it.

But, there is a NaMo factor. And this factor can bring surprises in AP in terms of MP seats. Not just in AP, but many states where BJP is nothing.

Thus far, my understanding is that BJP's T-stand seems to be the idea of Sushma. She seems to have invested much in it. Coming of NaMo may change or, atleast dilute this stand. Even otherwise, it will shift the focus from T to other issues. AP is ready for some Hindutva, in both T and non-T regions. And projecting NaMo may get these votes.

For YSRCP to survive, Jagan needs to come out of Jail. I don't see any future for KCR and his gang. They have done quite well already and the good times may be coming to an end with elections.
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RamaY wrote: “The BJP’s first political test will be the Karnataka elections, due in April. The assessment is, it will lose after (B.S.) Yeddyurappa’s desertion. (A loss of power in) Jharkhand might follow or happen simultaneously,” a source said.

“Assuming that Modi is brought in as star campaigner and we lose these states, he will come down with a thud and perhaps get written off before the 2014 battle. We are told that Modi is prepared to campaign but in a limited way — as just another BJP leader. He has indicated he cannot be expected to work a miracle in Karnataka or Jharkhand.
This is reasonable. Modi has Gujarat firmly in his grasp, but there is no national leader currently in any party, who can capture people's hearts and minds in multiple states, like what Modi did in Gujarat. State elections have to be won by the party's state leaders. Modi can be brought on as a boost for the campaign. If he can even do that, it will be a big step up for his national ambitions. On the other hand, if too much is expected of him in state elections, people here are going to be in for a disappointment.

For expanding his influence, I hope Modi targets next-door Maharashtra. The Maratha lobby is strong there but if the Sena-BJP combine can break the NCP-Cong stranglehold, there might be some hope for 2014. Large populous states like MH and UP are going to be the key. And both appear to be out of the BJP's grasp right now.
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Can the century-old Congress reinvent itself at Jaipur

:lol: Funny that the Congress should use high-falutin' words like "reinvent" when the final output of all that "chintan" is obvious : Bring on the next member of the Dynasty !!

Err... next member still in diapers - not a problem when it comes to India's voters.
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Shashi taroor says "We will be in capable hands if Rahul takes over" - really admire the truth in this statement, ST probably meant "We(indians) will be in capable hands(that of modi) if Rahul takes over(congress)"
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Has Raul not denounced his Italian citizenship?
@Swamy39
Waste of time naming Buddhu Congi PM candidate.He is barred by the Constitution. If they do, we will have fun in the Gen Election campaign.
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I will transform India, Rahul Gandhi says. Rahul is Cong VP, get set for 2014 showdown with Modi.
Can Modi handle this truth!? :twisted:
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NM has been cultivating ties with TN politicos from many years back. I remember he was Thuglak's (a political weekly) chief guest at its annual meet, many years ago. Cho Ramasamy, a dealmaker of sorts (he was involved in the Moopanar and Rajini combo to bring down JJ, and a Vijaykant and JJ combo to bring down DMK in past election) - always gives positive coverage to NM in his paper. If JJ wins handsomely in TN, these will go to BJP.
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Would it be possible for the pandyan king to turn religious?
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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Post by Arjun »

So the 6th member of the Dynasty ascends to Congress leadership. A sad, sad day for the country....
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