Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

[SSridhar]

TSP Commerce Minister Calls Off India Visit

Fahim told the media that he had decided against travelling to India as the business meet would clash with an upcoming meeting between a government team and cleric Tahir-ul-Qadri, who had led a massive protest against the ruling Pakistan People's Party last week.

He said that as one of the signatories of the agreement between the government and Qadri, he had to attend the meeting to be held in Lahore on January 27 to discuss the cleric's demands.

Fahim and commerce secretary Munir Qureshi were scheduled to visit India during January 27-29 to participate in a Partnership Summit being organised in Agra.

The Pakistani minister was invited to the meet by his Indian counterpart Anand Sharma. An aide to Fahim had last week denied that his visit to India had been cancelled.

The aide had told that a formal proposal regarding the visit had even been forwarded to the prime minister's office.

Official sources said Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf was in the loop about the decision to call off Fahim's visit.

In recent weeks, differences had emerged between Fahim and foreign minister Hina Rabbani Khar over the issue of giving most favoured nation-status to India.

Media reports have said that Khar has held Fahim responsible for the delay in giving MFN-status to India. {This is the good cop-bad cop drama to keep India off balance and keep Indian hopes alive that even a hardliner like Birkin Babe wants India to get MFN status. She also earns a good name among Indian interlocutors in the process. It was in June, 2012 that she put a spoke in the wheel by toeing the PA line. She asked the Commerce Ministry to 'go slow' on the MFN issue because there was no progress in Sir Creek, Siachen etc. The MFN talks have been going on since early 2011.}

Pakistan missed the December 31 deadline for phasing out a negative list regime for trade and giving MFN-status to India.

Fahim subsequently said the process had been delayed.

There has been no official word on when Pakistan will complete the process and reports have suggested that the matter may be left for the new government that is elected in polls scheduled to be held by mid-May.

Fahim is among a group of ministers who have contended that the concerns of several industries should be addressed before MFN-status is granted to India.

[JohnTitor]

I don't think there is any need to bring in casteism here. If the "nationalists" can give a better argument to the "Daleets" they will vote for them.

One argument is that the "lower castes" may genuinely be more worried about their bread and butter issues, so they will vote on those issues rather than on issues of national security. A second argument is that issues of national security may not be percolating down to them, so they may simply not be aware of them.

Whichever way one looks at it, one can hardly blame them. But one thing is certain - unlike some other sections of society, they do not have any ideological aversion to the Indian national cause. It is for the nationalist platform to make the case to them, and if we are not making such a case credibly, then it is only we who are to blame.

So let's cut out the casteism here!

Rajesh ji,
while i would like your line of thought to prevail in the electorate, that isn't the case unfortunately. Take Karnataka for instance.

In the 2008 state elections, after the split between JD(S) & BJP (because JDS didn't keep their end of the bargain), there was a re-election. During that election, the gowdas (the powerbase for devegowda) still overwhelmingly voted for JDS. The lingayats (yeddi's caste) all voted for him.. the general populate voted for BJP in general.

This time round, yeddi will take away all the lingayat votes (even though his bickering caused an embarrassment for BJP), gowdas will vote for kumarswamy. and other SC/ST will vote for kangress.. so its almost guaranteed that BJP will be ousted almost completely. Yeddis new party will split whatever votes were guarenteed for BJP.

Its really sad. Yes, SM Krishna did some work, but at the grass root level, BJP has done quite a bit of work this time. They have helped old age pensioners and farmers.. I hope these people remember that when they vote in june!

As much as all of us hate the way parties divide the country over caste and people fall for it time and again, this is how they play it. I don't know if there is a solution to this other than education and encouraging those who are aware of this disgusting game to vote sir.

[Rajdeep]

Pakistan anger at video games that depict country as terrorist haven

Pakistani shopkeepers are boycotting two new video games which they say portray the country as a failed state, riddled with terrorism and where security forces are in league with al-Qaeda.

The latest instalment of the Medal of Honor series opens with American Navy Seals coming ashore in Karachi docks on a mission to destroy a black market arms shipment. But when their detonation sets off a second, bigger explosion they realise they have stumbled on a much bigger terrorist plot, sparking a global manhunt.
A chaotic car chase through the city follows amid warnings that the ISI - Pakistan's intelligence agency - is on the way.

[ArmenT]

Pakistan anger at video games that depict country as terrorist haven

Pakistani shopkeepers are boycotting two new video games which they say portray the country as a failed state, riddled with terrorism and where security forces are in league with al-Qaeda.

Boycott in pakspeak = Not burn pirated copies of the CDs. It is not likely that they sell original software in their country anyway.

[pgbhat]

Chindu mofo at it here

Surely, we do not want that. Hence, this is the time to exercise restraint. To India’s credit, we have come a long way since 26/11, with CBM almost back on track. Let’s not blow it all up — especially when Pakistan has relented — and reintroduce a climate of insecurity.

[sadhana]

Funny to see people lecturing Indians on India-Pak peace in track 2 when there is no ongoing India-Pak conflict and the real conflict is between Pak and Afghanistan?

Why no track 2 in Kabul? The whole Durand line and FATA is disputed between Pak and Afghanistan, heck Pak disputes the central government of Afghanistan, 1000s have died, and there is an ongoing hot conflict at the Pak-Afgh borders, spilling into Quetta and Peshawar. The next war in the region is going to be between Pak and Afghanistan armies and has already started. Why do the Track 2 funders take Indians for idiots? Why are Indians too stupid to point all this out?

Perhaps the quality of vegetables in India has come down drastically and the iodine in Indian salt is fake.

[kenop]

Iz thij Monkey Tamacha I ask you?

India has stepped up vigilance at its borders to prevent the re-entry of polio from Pakistan as it aims to continue its two-year run free from the paralytic disease.

Though the World Health Organisation (WHO) took India off the list of polio endemic countries in February 2012, it will declare it "polio free" only if no fresh case is reported for the next one year.

But health officials say the risk of polio persists.

The risk is from other neighbouring countries too as the article says but Pakistan may well be the country that protests if at all there is a protest.
Today was the first polio drop day of this year for children below 5 year in India.

[Lalmohan]

sadhana - for whatever reason many indians continue to engage in equal==equal re who maintains hostility... its quite amazing how seemingly intelligent people do this. its either a self flagellation psychosis or its an offshoot of the many protests we have of late against the moral authority of the indian state, i.e. no shortage of track 2 punters

[sadhana]

sadhana - for whatever reason many indians continue to engage in equal==equal re who maintains hostility... its quite amazing how seemingly intelligent people do this. its either a self flagellation psychosis or its an offshoot of the many protests we have of late against the moral authority of the indian state, i.e. no shortage of track 2 punters

True. It is extremely strange that NOONE not even the famed Hindu nationalists nor the supposedly war mongering Indian TV anchors nor the died in wool peacniks desiring peace on earth point out the absurdity of lecturing India when the real conflict is between Afgh and Pakistan.

venting
Everyone has fallen for India-Pak framing, the only framing which aggrandizes Pak elite and military and gives them inordinate importance in Indian affairs. If the locus of attention is instead placed where the most casualties are occurring(on the Af-Pak front), the Pak state and its elite stand out for what they are - megalomaniac mass murderers. Do these candle kissers and their funders want to save lives or do they prefer to bash Indians instead? Why do the famed Hindu nationalists and supposedly war mongering TV anchors fall for it too?
/venting

[RamaY]

MFN status for India is MMS's donkey's dream

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 5#p1016235

[Prem]

SSJi, I have been reading your posts with great interest for years now, I do notice a bit of bitterness creeping into your posts lately, sirji, do you know something that we dont?

Mahendra, thanks. Yes, you are right about my bitterness. It comes from the most impotent response our ungrateful political class has shown to our men in uniform in the latest issue. I am appalled by their utter insensitivity. The dhimmitude we have displayed over the last 100 years is increasing by the day. Now, the ruling party has taken their drama several levels higher, to doublespeak and blatant lying. They are secure in their belief that the common men & women will vote them back to power. Then we have fifth columnists like many journalists, communists, WKKs, self-styled liberals, p-secs, foreign agents et al who are thoroughly destabilizing and enervating us from within. They may be small but they occupy positions from where they are able to influence Indian policies and programmes. I am raging at our impotence to do anything about this. They are simply toying with India. I am beginning to worry if we have any hope at all.

The law of nature says things must hit rock botom before they fundamenmtal shift can be taken right from the roots/foundation. WKK, RNIs PSers etc wont fade away till they are fully exposed as they are and their loyalty not to India but to Non Indians, foreigners. There is one Brahastra wielded by the India people and once u leashed ,these Gangadeens will prefer Guillotine to greet their God. Anguished as I am but always hopeful and confident that this curse is about to be lifted for ever.

[Prem]

MFN status for India is MMS's donkey's dream

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 5#p1016235

Its donkey dreaming MMS no other way around. This person Maino Muhammadan Speak has discredit himself as well the whole nation.

[JohnTitor]

Anguished as I am but always hopeful and confident that this curse is about to be lifted for ever.

Curious.. is this just hope or do you know something ? I desperately hope you're right

[CRamS]

SS, I share your anguish. Watching the massive climb down by India, and now the dominating theme being India is the villain; and all this passing off as objective journalism, I am wondering how long will it be before these perverts start demanding that India must accede to TSP demands on Kashmir,

RajeshJi, please read the newspapers on what home minister said about RSS running terrorist camps. This after barely a week after TSP be-headed our troops. And you think this doesn't strike a chord among his supporters?

I share SS's pessimism. Only a miracle can change the state of affairs.

[eklavya]

CIA to exempt strikes on Pakistan from drones codification

John Brennan, the counter-terrorism adviser nominated by President Obama to be the next head of the CIA, has reportedly agreed to exempt agency strikes in Pakistan from a new set of rules that attempts to justify and codify the use of drones to assassinate leaders of al-Qaida and other terrorist groups around the world, including US citizens.

The decision to give the US targeted-killing programme the appearance of legal propriety by codifying it, and now the temporary exemption granted from that codification to Pakistan, were both taken by Brennan. A counter-terrorism expert with 25 years experience in the CIA, his nomination to run the agency has raised eyebrows among civil liberties groups because of his senior role in the CIA under George W Bush at a time when torture was used on terror suspects and because of his fondness for drone strikes.

Targeted killing has been a particularly pronounced facet of US strategy in Pakistan. The UK-based Bureau of Investigative Journalism estimates that there have been 362 drone strikes in the country since 2004 – 310 of them launched on Obama's watch. The strikes have killed up to 3,461 people, 891 of them civilians.

Dr. Manmohan Singh, please take note of how Nobel Peace Prize winners deal with Pakistan. Your journey to Oslo has hardly begun, but its never too late ...

[Anindya]

SS, I share your anguish.
I share SS's pessimism. Only a miracle can change the state of affairs.

Furthermore, through public media usage (slow brainwashing) and the efforts of our own civil society, we have in many places removed the skepticism about Pakistan, in significant parts of our population. There was little criticism of Saikat Datta or Swami in MSM, for their role in overtly helping the Pakistani cause this time around. Large numbers of people in business, education and arts communities now fully support Pakistanis coming to India, irrespective of polio, terrorism and more importantly extremism, that Pakistanis carry with them. The conversion to extremism, that could happen in the middle east is now beginning to happen in India itself.

[sadhana]

On the contrary, I see more naysayers of peace process in the Indian media and pols than even just after the Mumbai attacks. Even CPM and Samajwadi Party condemned latest incident at LOC. a. People are increasingly realizing they are being given the run-around by peaceniks. b. They realize the extent of anger in Army ranks.

Only Cong has overstepped its bounds and hopefully will be punished for it.

Next step for BRF minded is to demolish Indo-Pak framing. Events on Afgh-Pak front may do that automatically but its in India's public discourse that the Indo-Pak framing has to be systematically demolished.

Suggestion: Maybe scheduling a Bangladesh-India or a Maldives-India 'track 2' at the same date and venue of Pak-India Track 2(or even coinciding official talks) will help do that. Or invite Afghan observers to India-Pak talks and irritate the heck out of them all.

Indian think tanks should independently get involved in such 'irritating' de-linking activities. Surely they have enough funds to do things separate from govt or foreign funded NGOs.

[JohnTitor]

On the contrary, I see more naysayers of peace process in the Indian media and pols than even just after the Mumbai attacks. Even CPM and Samajwadi Party condemned latest incident at LOC. a. People are increasingly realizing they are being given the run-around by peaceniks. b. They realize the extent of anger in Army ranks.

I would ignore what the SP says, their actions don't match their words.

[harbans]

Sadhana, i am in agreement there. I too see a lot in the media that is hammering away at some of these known WKK types. There's not just an undercurrent there one can spot, but a strong on the surface current. On some incidents it is like a torrent unleashed. Like in the Rape case. So there is a change. Translating it into policy mechanisms is not going to be easy. There is a stranglehold some of these dhimmi's have taken over on policy issues, but i guess there time is running out. Lot's of positives in the past few months are emerging. Ironically the biggest failure to capitalize on these issues, is not the INC, but the BJP. But as far as the people and media is concerned there is a change and it is perceptible.

[Anujan]

I am more optimistic. The delhi rapes have demonstrated that the middle class yearns for security as much as they demand corruption free governance. If the society of today had existed in 2008 and 26/11 happened in between the piss process, it is a short distance from there to the congress party downhill ski. Top heavy approach like MMS unilaterally smoking piss pipe is becoming more untenable by the day.

2001-2012 has taught Indians two things

1. India can prosper while ignoring Pakistan. Pakistan can be made irrelevant by containment, we dont need to be their friend.
2. Indian economic development is dependent more on governance rather than any external factor like piss process.

There is a third piece of puzzle. If netas realize that appeasing IMs is not the same as appeasing the Pakis, then there is no constituency in India which has any incentive to continue Paki appeasement. Except for any emotional attachment the old guard feels. The old guard is aging now and the window is closing.

India and Pakistan can be good neighbors and even friends. Provided Pakis learn to behave like good neighbors and friends. Pakis will learn this lesson only if we stop appeasing them and throw the "walk extra mile" nonsense out of the window

[Philip]

There has been for a long time an ongoing conspiracy orchestrated by the US to "get India aboard",onto its bandwagon of client states which includes the rent-boy of the subcontinent Pak. The castratti leadership of the UPA led by Dr.Singh and his Italian born boss have been most agreeable to this.The rewards for the castratti include the "piss" prize,heaps of firang investment as we sell of the family silver,which should enable the economy to survive and help the UPA get re-elected.However,the biggest chip to win would be a "piss" with Pak,which in the minds of the UPA would bring in tzhe Muslim votes en masse.

For Pak to walk the piss talk,it needs Indian concessions in Kashmir.The quislings and castratti in the UPA would sell their own souls to remain in power and continue to loot and scoot.Therefore,border/LOC "adjustments",a total open border in Kashmir,ostensibly to get the Kashmiris aboard,agreements in Siachen and Sir Creek-a veritable "buffet" of agreements (that would include an Indian hands-off in Afghanistan) all at once designed to delightfully "shock and awe",a veritable "piss in our time" that actually benefits the Pakis (military) totally who would achieve across the table what they could not achieve on the battlefield,The Yanquis have kept up the pressure on Pak to agree to the agreement with their drone strikes,turning off at times the financial aid tap,etc.,etc.The reward for the PRC to also push Pak into an agreement would be to keep India as a lesser state than China in Asia,plus a similar agreement with China on border issues.

Thus India would effectively be neutered after "Piss" with both its neighbours would mean the need to scale down its armed forces,especially its strategic deterrent.This is the prize for Uncle Sam for all his machinations.The Yanquis know that China's rise is unstoppable no matter how many nations they rope into their anti-China front.Therefore,to allay Chinese fears of encirclement and to come to a compromise with China,the Chinese just like the Pakis need to be fed too.These two belligerent nations can create chaos for the US as it retreats first from Afghanistan to set right its economic mess.India,in both the PRC and the US's view,should remain nothing more than a nation-a market of a billion+ people to buy the goods and services of the west and east.Crumbs from the high table are sufficient for the leadership of the UPA who put selfish personal interests before those of the nation.

[SSridhar]

Celebrated Pakistani Authors to Attend Jaipur Literature Festival - The Hindu

The festival will also host sessions by prominent Pakistani feminist poet and author Fahmida Riaz, Pakistani-Canadian author M.A. Farooqi and British-Pakistani novelist Nadeem Aslam.

Ms. Riaz had spent several years in India during the 1980s. She lived here in exile, along with her husband, during the dictatorship of General Zia-ul-Haq. Her poem “Naya Bharat” (New India) is a searing indictment of the rise of Hindu religious extremism in India. In the poem, comparing extremist elements in India and Pakistan, she addresses Indians and laments, “tum bhi bilkul hum jaise nikle… (You turned out just like us).

[Anujan]

It is nearly certain that APHC met Hafiz Saeed and Syed Salahuddin in Pakistan. Multiple confirmations from several sources.

Wonder if they were discussing their fondness for chai biskoot.

[Anujan]

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/home- ... ife-319890

Continuing its efforts to expose the role of state actors in Pakistan and the LeT chief in 26/11 attacks, India has again sent a fresh Letters Rogatory to Morocco for questioning of Faiza Outalha, Pakistani- American terrorist David Headley's estranged wife, after its earlier request was returned due to technical reasons.

The Union Home Ministry cleared a fresh Letter Rogatory (LR) after the Government of Morocco returned the previous one asking for a French translation of the same document and as per the rule of the requested country, official sources said today.

[Aditya_V]

Celebrated Pakistani Authors to Attend Jaipur Literature Festival - The Hindu

The festival will also host sessions by prominent Pakistani feminist poet and author Fahmida Riaz, Pakistani-Canadian author M.A. Farooqi and British-Pakistani novelist Nadeem Aslam.

Ms. Riaz had spent several years in India during the 1980s. She lived here in exile, along with her husband, during the dictatorship of General Zia-ul-Haq. Her poem “Naya Bharat” (New India) is a searing indictment of the rise of Hindu religious extremism in India. In the poem, comparing extremist elements in India and Pakistan, she addresses Indians and laments, “tum bhi bilkul hum jaise nikle… (You turned out just like us).

Pakistanis are always good at condemning Hindus and Hinduism in the name of Hindu Extremism but never introspect, this view is endorsed by the Elite in INdia.

Really what guts

[disha]

...Ms. Riaz had spent several years in India during the 1980s. She lived here in exile, along with her husband, during the dictatorship of General Zia-ul-Haq. ...
Really what guts

Ms. Riaz is nobody and any city's red light resident has far more honour and dignity and even far more respectable than Ms. Riaz.

The problem is when Shinde, congi-gladfly-who-became-a-HM, mouths that - then one has to wonder.

BTW, where are CongI's camp followers on this forum? Gone quiet?

[SSridhar]

LoC Trouble: PM Should Have Reacted Earlier: CCS - Economic Times

Tension in Indo-Pak ties may have eased now but during the height of the diplomatic row, some members of the Cabinet Committee on Security expressed strong reservations about the 'delay' in the prime minister's response. {In his 'Devil's Advocate programme last night in CNN-IBN, Karan Thapar asked Kurshid along similar lines whether there was some dissension within the cabinet on this issue}

CCS has the prime minister and ministers of finance, home, defence, external affairs and the National Security Advisor as members. Last Monday, when it met to discuss the best possible response to an escalating rhetoric with Pakistan, some members argued that given the nature of the provocation - mutilation of bodies of two Indian soldiers by Pakistani troops who crossed the Line of Control - absence of a substantive intervention by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was a 'weak link' in India's approach, a senior minister told ET.

Significantly, the prime minister's statement that it can't be business as usual with Pakistan came a day after last Monday's CCS meeting, a week after the incident first captured headlines.

The senior minister said that last Monday's CCS meeting strategised on the prime minister's response in terms of timing and content, with members making the point that the Prime Minister's Office (PMO) should have intervened just as defence minister AK Antony and P Chidambaram, in his capacity as head of Group of Ministers, Media, did.

ET has learnt that the members of the Cabinet Committee on Security had also made the point that with certain kinds of incidents provoking quick and widespread critiques from multiple-media platforms, the speed of high-value government response needed to match the speed of information dissemination. Senior government officials, who did not want to be identified, said the Pakistan incident has strengthened the case for revisiting the government's communication strategy, with both speed and content having been found wanting on many recent occasions. {But, in the end, the PMO did a splendid job through planted stories that accused its own Army and helped draw the equality with a barbaric terrorist nation. This PM, Man Mohan Singh, for all appearances acts as a stooge of the US Government.The US is ensuring that a US-compliance is maintained in the line of succession by ensuring the elevation of the Princeling. We used to mock at Pakistan for exraordinary US intereference but I am increasingly sure that a similar thing is happening in India too. It is only so overt in TSP.}

PMO officials told ET that keeping the prime minister out of the statement war was deliberate since early intervention may have escalated matters. They, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said NSA Shiv Shankar Menon, was in continuous touch with all senior ministers and there was coordination in framing the government's strategy.

[SSridhar]

Khalid Khwaja sabotaged Laal Masjid negotiations

Perhaps inspired by the proverb ‘dead men tell no tale’ the Islamabad administration is now pointing finger at a former official of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) for his role in sabotaging the negotiations with the Lal Masjid administration that led to the military operation in 2007.

According to the written reply the Islamabad administration submitted to the one-man commission of Justice Shehzado Sheikh of Federal Shariat Court (FSC), Khalid Khawaja, the former spy, was a close friend of Lal Masjid chief cleric Maulana Abdul Aziz and his brother Ghazi Abdul Rasheed.

He disrupted the negotiations between the local administration and the management of the mosque which led to the military operation in which 103 people, including 11 military personnel, were killed, said the reply.

“Khawaja had very strong and effective influence over the management of Lal Masjid/Jamia Hafsa particularly Ghazi Abdul Rasheed, Maulana Abdul Aziz and Umme Hassan. This fact transpired when after successful negotiations with Ghazi Abdul Rasheed regarding handing over of the children library to the ministry of education, local administration officials reached Lal Masjid in the evening. All of a sudden, Khawaja along with 10-12 female students appeared on the scene and opposed the decision. His refusal prevailed upon both the brothers and the possession of the library could not be restored to the ministry of education.”

The reply added, “Khawaja was also requested to intervene and resolve the issue of the children library but he responded negatively. He used his influence upon the brothers just to add fuel to the fire.” It said the district administration tried its level best to persuade Khawaja as well.

On failure, he was arrested in June 2007 (a month prior to the operation) under the Maintenance of Public Order (MPO) and Security of Pakistan Act 1952. The management of Lal Masjid always demanded his release.

According to the reply, Khawaja was released on June 23, 2007, and after his release some Chinese nationals were kidnapped by the students of Lal Masjid.

The Islamabad administration also referred to the capture and murder of Khawaja by the Taliban and added: “Before his murder, Khawaja delivered a speech, which was also uploaded on ‘Youtube’ by his captors. In the speech, he admitted that he played a double role in the Lal Masjid incident. He further disclosed that during the operation he had advised Maulana Abdul Aziz to come out of Lal Masjid by wearing a Burqa,” the reply added.

When contacted, Usama Khalid, son of Khalid Khawaja, told Dawn: “Because my father is a dead man and could not rebut the allegations, the administration wanted to shift the responsibility on him for the Lal Masjid operation.”

He said his father sacrificed his life for a cause and the nation knew him very well. “We don’t care about any allegation but the government should bring the truth before the nation,” he added.

In the statement, the Islamabad administration also gave a chronology of the incident in which the Lal Masjid management and students took the law into their own hands.

[RajeshA]

Celebrated Pakistani Authors to Attend Jaipur Literature Festival - The Hindu

The festival will also host sessions by prominent Pakistani feminist poet and author Fahmida Riaz, Pakistani-Canadian author M.A. Farooqi and British-Pakistani novelist Nadeem Aslam.

Ms. Riaz had spent several years in India during the 1980s. She lived here in exile, along with her husband, during the dictatorship of General Zia-ul-Haq. Her poem “Naya Bharat” (New India) is a searing indictment of the rise of Hindu religious extremism in India. In the poem, comparing extremist elements in India and Pakistan, she addresses Indians and laments, “tum bhi bilkul hum jaise nikle… (You turned out just like us).

Pakistanis are always good at condemning Hindus and Hinduism in the name of Hindu Extremism but never introspect, this view is endorsed by the Elite in INdia.

Really what guts

Those who talk about Hindu extremism in Pakistan are some of the biggest Islamist bigots around. It is only that they like to serve Islamism while also at the same time enjoying the non-Islamic lifestyle. They have in fact full sanction from Paki Mullahs to do so. If they were not showing in some way their use to Islam, does one really think, they would be allowed to live? Even Veena Malik had to say how she tried to convert others to Islam in Big Brother, in order to justify her right to live.

The definition for a moderate Paki is one who loves Hinduism, Murti worship; never does an equal-equal about the state of affairs in India and Pakistan; and has never heard of the non-existent Hindu Extremism.

Such Moderate Pakis do not exist. All others (i.e. ALL) are simply Taqiyya Porkis!

[Sushupti]

^^ what are the chances of ISI blackmailing family as alleged by Dr. Swamy?. I don't think Shinde is that dumb.

[shyamd]

LoC Trouble: PM Should Have Reacted Earlier: CCS - Economic Times

PMO officials told ET that keeping the prime minister out of the statement war was deliberate since early intervention may have escalated matters. They, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said NSA Shiv Shankar Menon, was in continuous touch with all senior ministers and there was coordination in framing the government's strategy.

I read the transcript of his press conference on the BRICS meeting - and the NSA's replies to the LoC incident. Khurshid put out what he was told - NSA had no interest in escalating the beheading issue (diplomatically or otherwise) and backed Khurshid's statements of not going to take revenge in haste and all that.

[Sushupti]

[Anujan]

Was following live tweeting of some Delhi track 2 junket. It is bizarrely interesting. Delegates from pakiland demanding some kind of restriction on Indian media so they don't become "jingoistic" and act against the piss process!!

[Sushupti]

After Shinde’s comment, Hafiz Saeed says declare India as ‘terror state’

http://www.firstpost.com/india/after-sh ... 96593.html

[SSridhar]

Was following live tweeting of some Delhi track 2 junket. It is bizarrely interesting. Delegates from pakiland demanding some kind of restriction on Indian media so they don't become "jingoistic" and act against the piss process!!

I won't be surprised if MMS & Co even do that under some pretext.

[kish]

After Shinde’s comment, Hafiz Saeed says declare India as ‘terror state’

http://www.firstpost.com/india/after-sh ... 96593.html

Ssshhhhh, Dont talk about Hafiz saeed saab. He is a sarkari terrorist (No, I didn't mean pakistan). You may get labeled as a "Saffron terrorist".

[CRamS]

^^ what are the chances of ISI blackmailing family as alleged by Dr. Swamy?. I don't think Shinde is that dumb.

Shinde is a bloody dumb bigoted moron make no mistake about it; TSP must be enjoying his moronic tirade. Sad part is that his millions of followers share that sentiment; sorry if I am being "casteist" and "communal". Thats the reason why Cong won't touch him. And they are also fine with the equal equal, perhaps this is what ISI-sponsored "track 2" and US etc impressed upon MMS. You absorb TSP's blows, you score these self goals, you bottle up any sense orf nationalism (hence RSS/BJP are terrorists); after all, you are a "big country", and then maybe, just maybe, TSP will feel satisfied to stop sending terrorirsts. Apart from the shameful spectacle, its not even a recipe to make TSP behave, they want domination, not just equal equal, which is a means to an end.

[CRamS]

Was following live tweeting of some Delhi track 2 junket. It is bizarrely interesting. Delegates from pakiland demanding some kind of restriction on Indian media so they don't become "jingoistic" and act against the piss process!!

As stupid as Arnab is in briging TSP guests and getting berated by them, he is the one that everybody is after. Even Mani Shankar Aiyar was after him. Lets see if they muzzle him. Or like many in India, he might also tone down.

[abhijitm]

Shinde has exposed Congress. He has done a massive favor on BJP. It would be interesting to see how BJP use this opportunity. Speak Modi...NOW.

[SSridhar]

Shinde is a bloody dumb bigoted moron make no mistake about it;

You are correct about your assessment of the mental and intellectual faculties of our dreadful Home Minister. But, this is the agenda of the INC. The script-writer is somebody else. He is parroting the lines given to him. Ms. Maino, Princeling, P.Chidambaram, Digvijaya Singh, Jayanthi Natarajan, Mani Shankar Ayyar, Arrogant Manish Tiwary . . .the brigade is big, vociferous and have media access. One of their agenda is to shackle India completely so that a moral equivalence is established willy-nilly between India and Pakistan and then the INC can work out a deal with our enemies. Their approach is the same as that of the communists, pummel the majority community in a country ruthlessly and in every which way if you want to rule over them. I do not see much difference between the Taliban and the INC in this.