Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

[muraliravi]

But if the president is dalal enough to stop modi, then they succeed in front of their pay masters.

I for one dont believe that this rajnath fool has the sagacity or graciousness to make for modi (just look at the polls, it is staring on their face, but they just cant digest it). Modi should start putting pressure right away to at least be made head of election campaign if not the nominee. and maybe thats what he has done today through ABP and India today.

Go to anywhere in the world, democracy or no democracy, you can call them either dalals or in angrezi lobbying interests. Wheels inside wheels is a fact of party politics.

Modi should build a system that makes him rise inside the loops of these dalals. He has to cut deals and wheels with all such sundry folks and also weed out completely useless. Otherwise expecting that he be given a easy rise is impractical. I believe he will rise inspite of all these.

He has lost his first battle by allowing a sushil modi pawn to be appointed as bihar bjp chief and all modi loyalists in the fray were sidelined. Lets see how he moves next

[Muppalla]

He has lost his first battle by allowing a sushil modi pawn to be appointed as bihar bjp chief and all modi loyalists in the fray were sidelined. Lets see how he moves next

CP Thakur is a fake Namo supporter and I wouldn't read too much. Being Dy CM, Sushil Modi is playing to the gallery of Nitish and that does not mean he can be pulled over at the right time. These are the tests for Modi to assert and needs to watch when and how he will do. If he does not do he can forget his assent inspite of his popularity.

As I said above, Modi will not go up without he working through the maze. No free lunches in politics.

[RamaY]

Tough road ahead for new BJP chief
Author: Kalyani Shankar

+1 Muppala garu.

I think the author is extremely cautious. I think she means good of BJP. She is highlighting every possible trap and quicksand possible on the road ahead.

1. It assumes challenges, last minute proposals, counter proposals and compromises are a sign of political party's weakness and factionism. They indicate democratic process and absence of high command. Yes, such power centers have lot of pulls and pushes, but isn't such environment the prime requirement of leadership? Also any candidate that comes out of such environment will also be able to make more alliances outside party, right?

2. The first challenge mentioned is in North East. Meghalaya is 70% Christian, and Nagaland is 90% Christian, and Tripura is a communist bastion. If we were to use the logic the dhimmi media used in Gujrat, the minority communities there must be so scared that they would not vote for BJP. But let's see.

3. Karnataka is a real challenge. IMO this is the biggest test for RNS. Here is a BJP CM with mass support, who have all the leadership skills and wants to be in BJP but is struggling with real/imposed corruption issues and left BJP. I hope RNS uses all the good offices people he claim he has in INC to get Yeddi cleared out of woods. I am sure there are many ways for it. How RNS handles Ktaka shows how he can handle anything else in next couple of years. I only wish him good luck because I know there are many ways to do that.

4. The author highlights every possible hurdle when it comes to MP, Chattisgarh but doesn't want people to relax in rajasthan and Delhi.

Finally if Rajnath wins 7 of the 9 states and solves the Ktaka conundrum I would say he is fair to have PM aspirations. But again BJP being the factional political party it is, NM and RNS will have to figure out who is the right person to lead BJp in 2014.

All in all, I am hopeful.

[Sushupti]

IS BJP INDIA’S ENEMY OR PAKISTAN?

There has not been a single terror attack, big or small, since 26/11. This is because the ISI ordered all such attacks to be put on hold at least till the elections to ensure that no floating Hindu votes get diverted to the BJP.

Compared to 2004, the Congress has gained around 6% vote share. But in UP, where the Muslim population is large, the party has gained a huge 10% compared to the Assembly elections in 2007, when it got just 8.56% of the votes. The fact that the only other party to gain vote share in the state since 2007 is the BJP, although by only 0.57%, while the SP and BSP have lost around 2% and 3% respectively, is conclusive evidence that Muslims have shifted to the Congress in huge numbers. Hindus, on the other hand, have not gravitated towards the BJP.
This tectonic shift in the Muslim vote to the Congress in UP has taken place virtually unnoticed. This could not have happened on its own. There was obviously a concerted effort by influential and powerful extremist elements and possibly some fundamentalist religious leaders to keep this development under wraps to prevent any reverse polarisation of Hindu votes in favour of the BJP, because had that happened, this shift of the Muslim vote would have got negated.
The success that the Congress party achieved, manifestly led its strategists to believe that all that it needs to do to retain power in Delhi is to get Muslims to vote for it en bloc again. The Hindu vote, splintered along every fault line possible, cannot pose any challenge to it, as long as hatred and revulsion can be generated and sustained among enough Hindus for the BJP and RSS. Caste based ‘Hindu’ parties and regional outfits can easily be made to fall in line and make up the shortfall in seats, if any.

The ‘heavy investment’ in the peace process with Pakistan and the relentless attacks on the Sangh parivar flow directly from this ‘Unite Muslims, divide Hindus’ mantra adopted by the Congress to minimise the negative electoral impact of its dismal performance and monumental corruption over the last nine years.

That is why ISI, LeT, SIMI, IM and other umbrella terror outfits have been virtually removed from public mind with the help of an obliging media and the candle brigade that either do not talk about them or do so in manner that makes them look benign, even wronged. They have also got into overdrive about the common culture, language and ethnicity – the sameness — of the people of India and Pakistan, (South Asia for bubble gum kids) and the great love they have for each other. All this also helps make the case that giving more and more concessions to Pakistan — itself a victim of terror, they say — is in India’s supreme national interest.

On the flip side, Indians are being told ad nauseum that a vast majority of ordinary Pakistanis are secular and want to have very close relations with their Indian brothers, but – this is critical – their wishes are not being fulfilled primarily because the BJP and RSS are poisoning the atmosphere in India. The almost total silence about the many Pak-sponsored terror attacks that have killed thousands of Indians is being matched by the almost daily front-paging of leaks about four bomb blasts allegedly carried out a few years back – the last was in 2007 – by a handful of misguided Hindu extremists, in reaction to Pak-sponsored attacks. Conveniently ignored is the fact that almost all of them are in prison and no one has yet been convicted, and that earlier the LeT was blamed for most of these attacks.

The picture, thus, that has been photoshopped and rammed, very systematically and deliberately, is that of Hindu terror happening now, a terror that poses a real, present and growing danger to India and Indian Muslims. The BJP and RSS, we are not allowed to forget for even a minute, are the only enemies that Indians need to worry about: India’s real war is not against friendly brother Pakistan or Islamist terror groups promoted and supported by that country, but against Hindu/saffron terror deliberately spawned by the Sangh. That even Rahul Gandhi has been led to believe this nonsense is a telling indication of how deep the reach of elements inimical to India is.

In fact, under the garb of fighting BJP and RSS politically, communal elements in Sonia Gandhi’s all-powerful kitchen cabinet, the NAC, have gone the whole hog and unleashed a war on all Hindus. The draconian Communal Violence Bill, approved with alacrity by her but not yet enacted, has in one stroke, achieved what a thousand terror attacks cannot. The Hindu has been virtually declared The Terrorist in his own country and subject to draconian provisions of law that even terrorists who blast innocent people are not. He cannot speak, he cannot write — much less do — anything that can be construed as offensive by a member of a minority community. Worse, even democratically elected governments, where Hindus are in majority, have been declared untrustworthy; unelected bodies in which minorities will be in majority are going to decide whether the Hindu is guilty or not. His voice has, thus, been throttled and his spirit, his freedom killed far more effectively by Mrs Gandhi than the ISI could even have dreamt.

Why has there been no major Pak-sponsored terror attack since 26/11? The answer, to my mind, is simple. When the Indian government has taken upon itself to unwittingly further the agenda of the ISI, where is the need for the Pakistani establishment to resort to active terror that will inflame passions and undo such good work prematurely? But when you ingrain soldiers — in uniform and out — with violent hatred for your enemy, you have to periodically whet their appetite for blood. Talk doesn’t work for them; their oxygen is wanton, brutal violence.

The barbaric beheading and mutilation of two Indian soldiers in Indian territory, despite a cease fire being in place, may have excited Kiyani, Hafiz Saeed and their men, but it has upset the proverbial apple cart of the Congress. The grand old party that led India to freedom has, tragically, so completely put its eggs in the minority basket that, ironically, the only Indians left to oppose it electorally are, honourable exceptions apart, Hindus. If they get together, Congress has simply no hope. It is mortally afraid of their rage.

That is why Shinde and Khurshid have launched a new attack on BJP and RSS. They do not want Hindus enraged by yet another Pakistani assault on their country and their sensibilities, to rise and punish Congress for not punishing Pakistan, by voting for BJP. Their attention has to be deflected from Pakistan’s hostility and barbarism, and Congress’ treachery. They have to be made to see in BJP the enemy that Pakistan is, the Devil’s Alternative that they must not vote for.

This Goebbelsian refrain is Congress’ lifeline. It is, equally, BJP’s death warrant. And it is the opening that a much smaller and weaker Pakistan needs, to win the existential war that it senses it is finally beginning to win. So far, the BJP has shown little interest and imagination in taking on this threat by shaming the Congress and educating and awakening the voters. Its leaders – the same old story – are more keen on defeating each other than in saving their party, indeed the country. Will they, will we, learn?


http://centreright.in/2013/01/is-bjp-in ... QHvCR0Tg44

[muraliravi]

He has lost his first battle by allowing a sushil modi pawn to be appointed as bihar bjp chief and all modi loyalists in the fray were sidelined. Lets see how he moves next

CP Thakur is a fake Namo supporter and I wouldn't read too much. Being Dy CM, Sushil Modi is playing to the gallery of Nitish and that does not mean he can be pulled over at the right time. These are the tests for Modi to assert and needs to watch when and how he will do. If he does not do he can forget his assent inspite of his popularity.

As I said above, Modi will not go up without he working through the maze. No free lunches in politics.

It is not about free lunch. Modi and BJP are supposed to fight the congress, not amongst themselves. Only parties where individuals promote things/individuals in the best interest of the party end up succeeding. You can write this in stone now: "Rajnath will not promote modi to delhi, he will not give him any role in delhi, advani and sushma will control bjp in conjunction with rajnath, they will not declare a pm candidate and say we will fight collectively, get less than 115 seats". As far as modi is concerned, he can only fight through to some extent in muddy waters, you cannot expect him to fight a damned BJP system, where the top leadership of bjp is by default a congress B team. And all the sangh can do is fight with him and keep finding faults with him (personality cult and crap explanations) when the real issue is that these chaddiwalas cannot digest an obc at the top ( so much for cultural nationalism).

If modi wants to become pm and save india, he has the opportunity now and right now. Launch a party and draw the cadre to his side and leave the bjp high and dry.

[RamaY]

^ and you are a Modi supporter and follower?

[Muppalla]

It is not about free lunch. Modi and BJP are supposed to fight the congress, not amongst themselves. Only parties where individuals promote things/individuals in the best interest of the party end up succeeding. You can write this in stone now: "Rajnath will not promote modi to delhi, he will not give him any role in delhi, advani and sushma will control bjp in conjunction with rajnath, they will not declare a pm candidate and say we will fight collectively, get less than 115 seats". As far as modi is concerned, he can only fight through to some extent in muddy waters, you cannot expect him to fight a damned BJP system, where the top leadership of bjp is by default a congress B team.

One thing is guaranteed that there will be no PM candidate. Modi can at best get a central role while being Guj CM. If he does not get or if he does not fight for one then there is no big deal to talk about Modi. There is now way in the world of politics one can get something without fighting.

Modi and BJP are supposed to fight the congress, not amongst themselves.

The above statement is just idealism. Politics across the world will never (had never) work that way. If Modi has no will power to fight then the nation deserves only that much. Prime Minister elect Rahul.

I will call Modi is lost cause if on the final day (not day-to-day rumors based regular news) if Vijaya Raje is not CM candidate of Rajasthan. That will tell if the useless dalals of RSS along with selloff dalals like Rajnath Singh really took over the party. If such a thing happens the so called D4 are also useless even as Congress-B.

But you see dalals are dalaals and why not Modi can go for a deal with these dalaals? If he cannot then he is not suitable for prime time. All other discussion viscussion is just emotional stuff.

[abhishek_sharma]

Regarding Nitish's governance skills:
[No offence to Bihar or Biharis as this can happen to anyone if things go bad for too long.]

Imagine a stinking pond and add super stinking human excreta to that. Laloo did that bad to Bihar. All Nitish was able to do was to remove the super stinking human excreta from that pond and suddenly the frog in that pond started breathing. When the frog started breathing it forgot that it is still a stinking pond that needs a lot more cleanup and change. As Nitish is now a herro, he is now back to typical secular/mullah apeasement politics of a typical GV politician. Netagiri is a fundamental part of the heamoglobin in that state's politicians.

so what is the argument against Nitish and Bihar? Bihar's growth is not big deal because it is growing from a low base. Right.

Isn't that argument true for countries like India and China as well? There is hoo-haa about India's growth rate even though our GDP is significantly less than the GDP of US/Western Europe? Are we proud of India's growth rate? Why?

As usual, it is not difficult to explain this selective amnesia. Nitish's performance is not a big deal because he is not supporting Modi.

It would be great if people could be more honest and criticize just Nitish's decision of not supporting Modi.

[abhishek_sharma]

he is now back to typical secular/mullah apeasement politics of a typical GV politician. Netagiri is a fundamental part of the heamoglobin in that state's politicians.

And what are the properties of a "typical" South Indian politician? 3 out of 4 South Indian states are not NDA allies. Maybe you could look at them and explain how they are different from a state like UP? And what is in their hemoglobin?

[devesh]

only saving grace of South is that past leadership centuries ago protected the region from Islamic incursions. that is the only saving grace.

the politicians of today exhibit the same appeasement that GV politicians do. but the effect in GV is felt much more b/c the society is already deeply penetrated by Islam.

[abhishek_sharma]

he is now back to typical secular/mullah apeasement politics of a typical GV politician. Netagiri is a fundamental part of the heamoglobin in that state's politicians.

And how good are South Indian politicians? Like PC, AK Antony and P. Raju, maybe they are only good enough for cleaning the shoes of a particular family. Did I generalize? Yes, just as you did.

[abhishek_sharma]

The party and the shadow

On Gadkari, RSS/BJP etc.

[Aditya_V]

he is now back to typical secular/mullah apeasement politics of a typical GV politician. Netagiri is a fundamental part of the heamoglobin in that state's politicians.

And how good are South Indian politicians? Like PC, AK Antony and P. Raju, maybe they are only good enough for cleaning the shoes of a particular family. Did I generalize? Yes, just as you did.

And add to it which state outside of KN does not vote en mass for Secular leaders.

we will keep blaming others in BJP, Others in India for defeats but never ourselves and what we need to know get rid of current state of affairs.

[Aditya_V]

I think Shinde's comment and support is good, I hope rather than having the Mukota in between 2004-09 I hope the INC and media minions go all out.

[Supratik]

I agree with Muppalla that no one will hand over power to you on a platter. If Modi wants to go for it he has to show he can bulldoze through the system. Unfortunately, India doesn't have primaries. A lot of these problems will be solved if we have primaries.

[Aditya_V]

I agree with Muppalla that no one will hand over power to you on a platter. If Modi wants to go for it he has to show he can bulldoze through the system. Unfortunately, India doesn't have primaries. A lot of these problems will be solved if we have primaries.

If we have primaries and 2 party system, many of the pet projects of NAC/ Foreign NGO and INC leadership as we know it would be destroyed.

[member_20317]

Dehko bhailog, I do not know much of politics but some amount of history I do know and this is just to remind you what as to what happened.

In every organised effort there is always a dynamic between those who want to consolidate and those who want to propogate. And in every case where a country screwed up its own existence the propogators were defeated and the consolidators won. If one is willing to look beyond silly ideologies, viel of chronologies and the problem of english educated binary thought and reach out to structuring and the atma of the effort then one can easily see this in Hitler vs. Rohm, Lenin vs. Martov, Indira vs. Kamraj. I am sure this was so in China also. In each case the first party won and stood for a GDP logic of shahi tukdas and the people of the country were stabbed in the back. In each case the later party lost and did not stood for a GDP logic of shahi tukdas and people of the country rued the turn of events later.

The nature of life is such that for every one successful attempt, there are more than one failures.

If Hindus have to survive in their own country then both the supporters of the new Modi lead BJP and the old RSS backed sangh have to learn how to avoid the fate of those, who tried earlier and failed their respective countries. They need to avoid competition and start cooperating.

No part of BJP (new or old) has the strength to stand up without RSS support. RSS has its own compulsions and needs protection for itself and its various efforts, at times from people from within the structure. RSS is clearly not capable of running the day to day politics and clearly they should concentrate on other efforts. Modi clearly is better equipped to handle day to day politics but we cannot entrust the whole country to one individual.

Like in any other developing dynamics there will be a group even within BJP which will have a GDP logic of its own. Layered existence is the truth and truth cannot be escaped from.

Now in such a case if you want the New BJP and the Old Sangh to work together what would you expect to happen in terms of decisions getting rolled out? Are these expectations getting fulfilled? Is the speed of roll out a concern or is the decision itself a problem? What is the new blood investing in terms of price/consideration/hard money which will be part of delivery? Note here that valuation is history more then discounting of future cash flows. You can draw any Discounted Cash Flow statement based on your personal whims but the Banker will put a value on it only if you have a track record. The track record that Modi has, gives him the valuation. What about the price he has to put on the table?

Everybody here is ready to question RSS motives when they are doing whatever it takes to try to fulfil their part of the job or at least to try to put themselves in a position where they will be able to meet expecations, so much so that their blue eyed boy is removed under pressure from Kongress.

Why is Modi not committing? At least he can start committing for generic causes. There is a lot of generic stuff that he can work on and that will give him a running start at the time of the campaign. The only thing that came from him is his undersell on Karnataka front. Where is his moral support to RSS? Right now we have Advani ji praising RSS and attaching himself even closely to it. Ananth Kumar has kept himself hidden and safe. Everybody says Modi has to bulldoze through the Sangh. But how much of support has he given to those he wants to negotiate with and how much of a fight has he put up with those he has to compete against, within the Sangh, AS OF NOW? or is it that he has already decided that everybody within Sangh is his opponent and only the cadres are required by him? What does he want to be? an ex-parte leader?

This is not Modi vs. Old Sangh, this is our strength vs. our weakness made more difficult by poverty of information and high decibles of Kongi propaganda machine. If the media says there is an internal fight and Modi will not be successful because of the Old guard and a BRF member says there is an internal fight and Modi will not be successful because of the Old guard. What does this congruent position signify?



In all this I am presuming that like today there was not one BJP leader in the past who could stand without RSS. Ergo RSS is the old guard. Not one or two individuals who gained extra political traction for extraneous reasons. In 2009 there was a huge brouhaha that RSS should take over the bumbling BJP leadership. That evaporated. Now there is one for Modi. So what is the structure of the fight?

[Supratik]

Rajnath's first job should be to work on Yeddy to see if they can reach a compromise before its too late.

[prahaar]

I believe Rajnath has a better chance of negotiating with BSY since he has not too close to the MH-KA network. He can project as someone not having any personal bias. The challenge for RNS would be to convince his capability to get things done in the party i.e. prove his authority.

[vijayk]

IS BJP INDIA’S ENEMY OR PAKISTAN?

There has not been a single terror attack, big or small, since 26/11. This is because the ISI ordered all such attacks to be put on hold at least till the elections to ensure that no floating Hindu votes get diverted to the BJP.

Compared to 2004, the Congress has gained around 6% vote share. But in UP, where the Muslim population is large, the party has gained a huge 10% compared to the Assembly elections in 2007, when it got just 8.56% of the votes. The fact that the only other party to gain vote share in the state since 2007 is the BJP, although by only 0.57%, while the SP and BSP have lost around 2% and 3% respectively, is conclusive evidence that Muslims have shifted to the Congress in huge numbers. Hindus, on the other hand, have not gravitated towards the BJP.
This tectonic shift in the Muslim vote to the Congress in UP has taken place virtually unnoticed. This could not have happened on its own. There was obviously a concerted effort by influential and powerful extremist elements and possibly some fundamentalist religious leaders to keep this development under wraps to prevent any reverse polarisation of Hindu votes in favour of the BJP, because had that happened, this shift of the Muslim vote would have got negated.
The success that the Congress party achieved, manifestly led its strategists to believe that all that it needs to do to retain power in Delhi is to get Muslims to vote for it en bloc again. The Hindu vote, splintered along every fault line possible, cannot pose any challenge to it, as long as hatred and revulsion can be generated and sustained among enough Hindus for the BJP and RSS. Caste based ‘Hindu’ parties and regional outfits can easily be made to fall in line and make up the shortfall in seats, if any.

The ‘heavy investment’ in the peace process with Pakistan and the relentless attacks on the Sangh parivar flow directly from this ‘Unite Muslims, divide Hindus’ mantra adopted by the Congress to minimise the negative electoral impact of its dismal performance and monumental corruption over the last nine years.

That is why ISI, LeT, SIMI, IM and other umbrella terror outfits have been virtually removed from public mind with the help of an obliging media and the candle brigade that either do not talk about them or do so in manner that makes them look benign, even wronged. They have also got into overdrive about the common culture, language and ethnicity – the sameness — of the people of India and Pakistan, (South Asia for bubble gum kids) and the great love they have for each other. All this also helps make the case that giving more and more concessions to Pakistan — itself a victim of terror, they say — is in India’s supreme national interest.

On the flip side, Indians are being told ad nauseum that a vast majority of ordinary Pakistanis are secular and want to have very close relations with their Indian brothers, but – this is critical – their wishes are not being fulfilled primarily because the BJP and RSS are poisoning the atmosphere in India. The almost total silence about the many Pak-sponsored terror attacks that have killed thousands of Indians is being matched by the almost daily front-paging of leaks about four bomb blasts allegedly carried out a few years back – the last was in 2007 – by a handful of misguided Hindu extremists, in reaction to Pak-sponsored attacks. Conveniently ignored is the fact that almost all of them are in prison and no one has yet been convicted, and that earlier the LeT was blamed for most of these attacks.

The picture, thus, that has been photoshopped and rammed, very systematically and deliberately, is that of Hindu terror happening now, a terror that poses a real, present and growing danger to India and Indian Muslims. The BJP and RSS, we are not allowed to forget for even a minute, are the only enemies that Indians need to worry about: India’s real war is not against friendly brother Pakistan or Islamist terror groups promoted and supported by that country, but against Hindu/saffron terror deliberately spawned by the Sangh. That even Rahul Gandhi has been led to believe this nonsense is a telling indication of how deep the reach of elements inimical to India is.

In fact, under the garb of fighting BJP and RSS politically, communal elements in Sonia Gandhi’s all-powerful kitchen cabinet, the NAC, have gone the whole hog and unleashed a war on all Hindus. The draconian Communal Violence Bill, approved with alacrity by her but not yet enacted, has in one stroke, achieved what a thousand terror attacks cannot. The Hindu has been virtually declared The Terrorist in his own country and subject to draconian provisions of law that even terrorists who blast innocent people are not. He cannot speak, he cannot write — much less do — anything that can be construed as offensive by a member of a minority community. Worse, even democratically elected governments, where Hindus are in majority, have been declared untrustworthy; unelected bodies in which minorities will be in majority are going to decide whether the Hindu is guilty or not. His voice has, thus, been throttled and his spirit, his freedom killed far more effectively by Mrs Gandhi than the ISI could even have dreamt.

Why has there been no major Pak-sponsored terror attack since 26/11? The answer, to my mind, is simple. When the Indian government has taken upon itself to unwittingly further the agenda of the ISI, where is the need for the Pakistani establishment to resort to active terror that will inflame passions and undo such good work prematurely? But when you ingrain soldiers — in uniform and out — with violent hatred for your enemy, you have to periodically whet their appetite for blood. Talk doesn’t work for them; their oxygen is wanton, brutal violence.

The barbaric beheading and mutilation of two Indian soldiers in Indian territory, despite a cease fire being in place, may have excited Kiyani, Hafiz Saeed and their men, but it has upset the proverbial apple cart of the Congress. The grand old party that led India to freedom has, tragically, so completely put its eggs in the minority basket that, ironically, the only Indians left to oppose it electorally are, honourable exceptions apart, Hindus. If they get together, Congress has simply no hope. It is mortally afraid of their rage.

That is why Shinde and Khurshid have launched a new attack on BJP and RSS. They do not want Hindus enraged by yet another Pakistani assault on their country and their sensibilities, to rise and punish Congress for not punishing Pakistan, by voting for BJP. Their attention has to be deflected from Pakistan’s hostility and barbarism, and Congress’ treachery. They have to be made to see in BJP the enemy that Pakistan is, the Devil’s Alternative that they must not vote for.

This Goebbelsian refrain is Congress’ lifeline. It is, equally, BJP’s death warrant. And it is the opening that a much smaller and weaker Pakistan needs, to win the existential war that it senses it is finally beginning to win. So far, the BJP has shown little interest and imagination in taking on this threat by shaming the Congress and educating and awakening the voters. Its leaders – the same old story – are more keen on defeating each other than in saving their party, indeed the country. Will they, will we, learn?


http://centreright.in/2013/01/is-bjp-in ... QHvCR0Tg44

You know this is true when Shekar Gupta of Italaian express, tehelka crooks and Vinod Mehta of Detroy India magazine vent against jingoistic press for raising voice against Paki murders.

[RajeshA]

Primaries may be a good idea.

However I am fully in favor of having somebody elected as Parliament who has received the confidence of an absolute majority of the people, more than 50%. If no candidate receives 50% or above, then go for run-off election among the two top contenders.

That would be a uniting platform, and would be less prone to tricks.

[Muppalla]

he is now back to typical secular/mullah apeasement politics of a typical GV politician. Netagiri is a fundamental part of the heamoglobin in that state's politicians.

And what are the properties of a "typical" South Indian politician? 3 out of 4 South Indian states are not NDA allies. Maybe you could look at them and explain how they are different from a state like UP? And what is in their hemoglobin?

In any state other than UP+Bihar, inspite of the histrionics of the politicians, the states development graph does not gets affected due to politics. In UP and Bihar when it is absolute crisis someone will do some thing and then back to same old story. How to dominate India and how important that these two states are for showing a political direction to country are the only concepts for the leaders. In the process to prepare for this fake responsibility of taking India's direction these guys go overboard in muslim appeasement. Irrespective of parties, they never cleaned up their backyards.

Just take a list of all the leaders inside BJP who initially opposed to Modi or still opposing Modi. In that count how many are from UP+Bihar. This is nothing new or to be a surprise. This seize mentality of who should lead India and using all fake central and periphery theories built based on Mughal and British era, the intellectual class of these states also leans towards such course. The amount of under development in these states is never a point and the leadership in these state are successful in making people not to think about development at all. In the south Andhra Pradesh is the only state getting to that mould (minus the lead India concept).

[ramana]

Rajnath's first job should be to work on Yeddy to see if they can reach a compromise before its too late.

I too thought the same, however on reflection BSY is under CBI blackmail and is a proxy for Lashkar-e-Congress (Sushupti's formulation). His job is to make is impossible for BJP to get power in Karnataka or he will join the Reddy brothers in jail.


So RNS first job is to make BSY irrelevant for that man is leaving no stone unturned to remove BJP from Karnataka.

[abhishek_sharma]

What the hell are you talking about?

In any state other than UP+Bihar, inspite of the histrionics of the politicians, the states development graph does not gets affected due to politics.

And what makes you think politics has bent the development graph of these states?

In UP and Bihar when it is absolute crisis someone will do some thing and then back to same old story.

Evidence?

How to dominate India and how important that these two states are for showing a political direction to country are the only concepts for the leaders.

How to dominate India? How many cabinet ministers are from WB and Bihar these days? A fat lady withdrew support (which led to an election) from Vajpayee govt in late 1990s. Did she want to show how important she was? Do DMK leaders bargain for cabinet posts?

UP has 80 Lok Sabha seats and 5 cabinet members.
TN has 39 Lok Sabha seats and 3 cabinet members.
Maharashtra has 48 Lok sabha seats and 3 cabinet ministers.
Kerala has 20 Lok Sabha seats and 2 cabinet ministers.

Should we really discuss how Bihar and WB play a critical role in the machinations of this govt?

In the process to prepare for this fake responsibility of taking India's direction these guys go overboard in muslim appeasement.

Yes...look at current Home Minister and his predecessor...They are from Patna.

In the process to prepare for this fake responsibility of taking India's direction these guys go overboard in muslim appeasement. Irrespective of parties, they never cleaned up their backyards.

Yes...people in Kerala and Hyderabad cleaned their backyards many decades ago. Look inwards!!

Just take a list of all the leaders inside BJP who initially opposed to Modi or still opposing Modi. In that count how many are from UP+Bihar.

And in comparison, what do South Indians do? 3 out of 4 South Indian states vote for UPA. I guess it is easy to see that UPA is better than what Nitish Kumar wants --NDA minus Modi.

This is nothing new or to be a surprise.

Your post is not surprising either. Such arguments are often provided by children in third grade. Do everyone a favour and try to pass primary school.

[Muppalla]

Your post is not surprising either. Such arguments are often provided by children in third grade. Do everyone a favour and try to pass primary school.

I am a third grader so the best knowledged can ignore my posts. I neither give importance to yours.

[abhishek_sharma]

What happened? Did reality cause cognitive dissonance?

kair jo bhi ho: back to regular programming ...

[abhishek_sharma]

>> I neither give importance to yours.

I used to give a lot of importance to your posts. But lately, you are not making sense. I might be wrong...but some introspection might be useful for you.

[member_23629]

BJP derives its strength from RSS - it is common knowledge that Congis are going to ban it before the elections and have mass arrests of RSS leaders to cripple BJP. How low can a bunch of mercenary Hindu thugs stoop for money and power? They are willing to oppress Hindus in their own land and rule them by teaming up with Muslims. Not much different than what used to happen in medieval times. At this rate, it is not long before some Hindus take up weapons in desperation and anger.

‘Right-wing cadre used RSS offices to plan terror attacks’

[sunnyP]

Does anyone think Rajnath Singh (along with the newly returned Kalyan Singh) can help resurrect the BJP in UP?

One would think they need at least 25-30 seats there if they are to succeed nationally.

[chaanakya]

Does anyone think Rajnath Singh (along with the newly returned Kalyan Singh) can help resurrect the BJP in UP?

One would think they need at least 25-30 seats there if they are to succeed nationally.

GadaCurry should have left before.He delayed departure caused confusion among rank and file and some damage too.
Dilli Billi or D4 is hopeless. BJP needs to clean its stable of such deadwood and dead horses. Else it would fail at the hustings. Never underestimate the power of M Consolidation that Kongis are trying as a last resort.

About Rajnath Singh..
Do Kongis have any handle to beat him with like Gadacurry? I think not though I may like to be reminded of his failings and any corruption charges. He could serve as good place holder till time comes.

[rohiths]

I am surprised at the amount of support for Yeddy and Gadkari on this forum.
Yeddy was elected CM in 2008 and stayed on till 2011. Even during his 3 years at the helm, his performance is ordinary at best. He had no long term vision nor did he do any short term fixes. Politically his support in the lingayat community is overstated. Lingayats rallied behind him since he had the best chance to become CM since there were no Lingayat CM candidates in congress.
The less said about Gadkari the better. Apart from Goa, BJP was not able to wrest any state from Congress and lost HP and Uttarakhand to Congress during his presidency. He mismanaged Karnataka and Jharkhand. He only USP was that he was close to RSS.
Yeddy going from BJP is same as some one like Uma Bharti or Keshubhai patel leaving. It will have marginal impact on BJP. I will stick out my neck and say that BJP will be the single largest party in Karnataka elections 2013.

[ramana]

BJP derives its strength from RSS - it is common knowledge that Congis are going to ban it before the elections and have mass arrests of RSS leaders to cripple BJP. How low can a bunch of mercenary Hindu thugs stoop for money and power? They are willing to oppress Hindus in their own land and rule them by teaming up with Muslims. Not much different than what used to happen in medieval times. At this rate, it is not long before some Hindus take up weapons in desperation and anger.

‘Right-wing cadre used RSS offices to plan terror attacks’

The article has refs to "senior this and that". In reality how are these individuals connected to the RSS?

Also one unconncted fact is that MAha ATS chief late Karkare was a RAW section head before he took over ATS.

Was he privy to covert ops and helped to expose them for Maha INC benefit?
Its only after he takes over the Maha ATS that Malegoan saga gets changed.

[RamaY]

That karkare issue is bizarre and he has connections from RAW to 11/26.

[Muppalla]

>> I neither give importance to yours.

I used to give a lot of importance to your posts. But lately, you are not making sense. I might be wrong...but some introspection might be useful for you.

Sorry, let's both of us take the anger out of equation.

By unnecessarily getting offended, what you are unnecessarily doing is attacking by giving examples of Chidambaram and Jaya etc. I never said they are great or anything. Neither I said they are not appeasing mullahs. If you consciously make apples to apples comparison of politicians (corrupt or crony or idiots) of GV politicians to that all those bad guys you will get the big picture of what I was saying.

You mentioned Pallam Raju as some family lickers. Why to make him as some separate entity in a list of South? Does it matter anything between south, north, east or west. A congressman is a congressman and will always be family lickers. But while being lickers, compare this fellow Pallam Raju to UP/Bihar's similar lickers. Take case of equivalent folks such as the one Dwivedi who is currently the spokes person of INC from UP or compare the same Pallam Raju to someone like Rahul's best friends from UP who are all part of UP politics. That will give apples to apples comparison. Pallam Raju's father or grand father is a freedom fighter and they have good clout in E.Godavari district of AP. Just visit the remote areas of E.Godavari district and see the amount of development inspite of politicians being family lickers. Again now I bet you to compare to even Amethi with E.Godavari district of AP and difference of the development and jobs creation in those two areas will tell you what I am trying to explain.

Similarly take the case of even congress CMs of states like Maharashtra, Gujarat to that congress CM of UP. Both these states are predominantly ruled by congress party until 90s. In fact the CMs of all congress rules states look same aaya ram gaya rams. Inside that stupidity see the differentials in terms development in those states. Gujarat is again no great agricultural land not any big mineral land. It is just blessed with leadership and entrepreneurship.

Now coming to Nitish, compare and contrast with Naveen Patnaik (another unnecessary secular), CBN, Jayalalitha or even jokers like MuKa. Did anyone of them do as much centre based neta giri of banning other state leaders (like Modi) in campaigning etc? Nitish has a fundamental responsibility to bring his state on par with other states in development. But his focus is about Delhi. Same story with Mulayam, Laloo as well. Nitish is not doing anything or any vision to make Bihar better than Punjab or agricultural rich areas of AP. Bihar if not great in English Vinglish based services industry has abundant amount of water. Where are four crops and cash crops? Where is the vision to make agri production more than Punjab? These things will never get on to even paper stage. Instead all it comes is how to talk more secularism, more netagiri and how to oppose Modi.

Why should Yaswant Sinha and Actor Sinha have problems with Gadkari and Modi? you can easily blame me or others as Modi bakts but see the behavior of brotherhood that they show in politics while being in different parties. But do they even lobby some simple things to get to their states? Financial packages etc. Meanwhile the crooks of Karnataka were able to sell to UPA that congress will return to KA if we give a huge financial package to North KA and they succeeded too.

Now you see the contrast of UP and Bihar politicians from all political parties. Crooks, jokers definitely but there was always some lowest common denominator that other state politicos did based on the generation they are in and whereas these two states' politicos always focused on somehow they need to be Delhi based.

That is what my opinion is and you can pierce it without making an illusionary North Vs South and Secularism Vs Nationalism.

What I alluded was this mentality of politicos from these two states is because of an underlying concept that somehow UP/Bihar are some core states and rest are pheriphery using the situation of this region's importance during Mughal/Brtish era. It is an illusion that is built because even during that time all of this region is not Dilli Billi.

[chaanakya]

he is now back to typical secular/mullah apeasement politics of a typical GV politician. Netagiri is a fundamental part of the heamoglobin in that state's politicians.

And what are the properties of a "typical" South Indian politician? 3 out of 4 South Indian states are not NDA allies. Maybe you could look at them and explain how they are different from a state like UP? And what is in their hemoglobin?

In any state other than UP+Bihar, inspite of the histrionics of the politicians, the states development graph does not gets affected due to politics. In UP and Bihar when it is absolute crisis someone will do some thing and then back to same old story. How to dominate India and how important that these two states are for showing a political direction to country are the only concepts for the leaders. In the process to prepare for this fake responsibility of taking India's direction these guys go overboard in muslim appeasement. Irrespective of parties, they never cleaned up their backyards.

Just take a list of all the leaders inside BJP who initially opposed to Modi or still opposing Modi. In that count how many are from UP+Bihar. This is nothing new or to be a surprise. This seize mentality of who should lead India and using all fake central and periphery theories built based on Mughal and British era, the intellectual class of these states also leans towards such course. The amount of under development in these states is never a point and the leadership in these state are successful in making people not to think about development at all. In the south Andhra Pradesh is the only state getting to that mould (minus the lead India concept).

With all due respect this is kart load of Bullsh!t and does not deserve any response. keeping is for archive purpose.

[vijayk]

^^ Looks like what Muppalla said was taken in the context of South vs North; Who is better at appeasement politics: North or South?

Look at the facts:

Nitish went to Paki land to lick their bottoms to get Muslim votes.

Laloo, Mulyam, DogVijay, Shinde garbage would provide cover Paki terrorists if they want to nuke India and then blame it on RSS. These bloody scums were riboon cutting conspiracy books on how RSS did 26/11.

The appeasement politicians of CON party and other sickular parties from UP, Bihar, MP are now ready to help Pakis, ISI, LeT, JuD to destroy India and blame it on RSS/BJP.

You don't see Naidu or Jayalalitha or Naveen Patnaik going to these lows. This is a new trend in CON and sickular history.

http://centreright.in/2013/01/is-bjp-in ... QLH0x1lGSo

[Muppalla]

Does anyone think Rajnath Singh (along with the newly returned Kalyan Singh) can help resurrect the BJP in UP?

One would think they need at least 25-30 seats there if they are to succeed nationally.

Let us hope again and again that Rajnath can do something. Here are his achievements regarding UP:

(1) While announcing Kalyan as CM candidate, in the midst of campaing Kalyan did a direct attack on Rajnath for not having a freehand to select the candidates.
(2) He did not allow Kalyan to field his son because he himself is not allowing his son rise
(3) He is very famous in making extreme anti-Mullah videos and he is alleged to be behind Varun's famous speeches. Did work well in Western UP to an extent and helped in massive polarization efforts of INC.
(5) He lost his CM ship, then he lost all the UP elections under his leadership

Another very unimportant tid bits about Rajnath:
(1) He has dubious distinction(allegation) him as one who started selling the MP/MLA seats to highest bidders in BJP
(2) BJP has one official OFBJP and there is a cell in Delhi BJP office to deal with the matters of Overseas admirers. He deliberately avoids the official group but he goes to certain rebel groups when he visits US.

Added later:
The only reason why Kalyan left BJP second time was Rajnath Singh. It will be interesting to see his return and his emotional speech of draping his death body in BJP's flag with Rajnath's return to top.

[Muppalla]

Nitish went to Paki land to lick their bottoms to get Muslim votes.

Laloo, Mulyam, DogVijay, Shinde garbage rather would provide Paki terrorists if they want to nuke India.

The appeasement politicians of CON party and other sickular parties from UP, Bihar, MP are now ready to help Pakis to destroy India and blame it on RSS/BJP.

Add Shartu Sinha's sister comments of Zia ul Haq and also the most famous Jinnah speech by LKA.

[Supratik]

I agree with Muppalla, that irrespective of who ruled the South has done a better job than UP-Bihar. I have visited both places. Nitish is the first to attempt to correct the situation. I will give it to him inspite of his opposition to Modi. UP is currently hopeless case.

Coming back to Yeddi I am still hoping some positive development. Shettar doesn't appear to be bad. Rajith are you from Kt.

[Muppalla]

Yeddy going from BJP is same as some one like Uma Bharti or Keshubhai patel leaving. It will have marginal impact on BJP. I will stick out my neck and say that BJP will be the single largest party in Karnataka elections 2013.

Coming back to Yeddi I am still hoping some positive development. Shettar doesn't appear to be bad. Rajith are you from Kt.

BJP may still be a single largest party. But it will be important to see if Yeddi's party becomes king maker with 15 to 20 seats.