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Rahul Gandhi’s formal ascension as vice president of the Congress can be said to be Sonia Gandhi’s ‘Dhritarashtra moment’, the occasion when Indian polity’s supposed great renunciate failed to resign her own post and transfer power to her aging son and heir-designate of the Nehru-Gandhi Dynasty. Far from empowering Rahul Gandhi to assert himself within the party and the UPA dominated by the Congress, this could frustrate his maturation process and emergence as a ruler in his own right.
Similarly, Sonia Gandhi, who has gone abroad at least twice for medical treatment, and whose nervous twitches are now visible on television, failed to trust Rahul Gandhi with the power she wants him to exercise within the party and the Government should the Congress manage a third term in office. This exposes her inability to relinquish power and post, and her lack of faith in Rahul Gandhi’s ability to rise to the responsibilities thrust upon him. In other words, the mother who ‘cried because she understands that power is actually a poison’ is not willing to pass on her sceptre.

Rahul Gandhi is thus second in power and rank to his mother Sonia Gandhi and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in the Congress. It is not an enviable position, as hidden coteries behind both will be watching his every move.
The admirers display a desperate anxiety that the middle aged heir apparent somehow connect with the upwardly mobile youth and growing middle classes that have taken to displaying their anger on contemporary issues, as also the traditional vote-banks of the poor, women, Dalit and minorities.

They are keen that he deflect blame for the corruption attached to the ruling UPA, as also responsibility for the price rise, inflation, zero job opportunities and petty appeasement of minorities. It is a tall order.
All talk of corruption is vacuous in view of the fact that the Gandhi family is personally linked with some of the worst corruption scandals in the nation’s history. Leaving aside past scandals, Rahul Gandhi’s brother-in-law Robert Vadra has made fabulous wealth in real estate in the past few years in deals questioned by IAS officers of high integrity. Moreover, in none of the serial scams rocking UPA-I and UPA-II did the two-term MP from Amethi take a stand.
Surprisingly, none of his media admirers even mentioned that in his long eulogy on his father and mother, Rahul Gandhi said that India was “worthless” in 1984 (when his grandmother died and his father took over), because it did not have cars and other trappings of wealth and modernity. Today, he averred, “India is not like what it was in 1984. We are no longer worthless”. This writer is speechless.
As Rahul Gandhi coyly slides into the role of shadow Prime Minister, it would be appropriate to ask him to end the opacity associated with his life and at least offer the details of his educational qualifications for public scrutiny. At Jaipur, he revealed that he loved badminton and regularly played with the men who later assassinated Indira Gandhi, a remark that enraged Punjab deputy Chief Minister Sukhbir Badal who felt that he (Rahul Gandhi) should also have expressed regret for the anti-Sikh pogrom that followed.
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SG is 'beta testing' on us :)
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so, maybe sister's time has come?
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Don't worry both are mental retards.
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but so is most of the indian public to keep these clowns in the sultanate....strategically dumb, tactically brilliant (lusting after short term freebies and handouts while ensuring their kids/kids kids will take one more generation to climb out of poverty) is the electorate to use pakspeak.

brother as PM and sister as INC president is likely the desired end state as mother and MMS slowly fade out. what a firm!

and we know who will be the indic Zardari :mrgreen:

any dissenters will be ruthlessly purged and family retainers installed...arbitary decisions will be taken ala RajivG....I forsee the brother raj to be a whole lot worse than todays mother raj
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indic Zardari :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Some lesson for "inclusive forces" aka dhimmi group in BJP.
Lord is on Modi's side

AHMEDABAD: One of UK's most influential Gujarati Muslims, Lord Adam Patel, who is the founder and chief patron of Council of Indian Muslims (CIM), a UK-based organisation that was formed to campaign against Gujarat riots, is cozying up to chief minister Narendra Modi.

Baron Patel of Blackburn, as he is known in the UK, who played a pivotal role in organizing protests during Modi's visit to London in 2003, has invited the Gujarat CM to London. Patel met Modi at his official residence in Gandhinagar along with local businessman Zafar Sareshwala, a strong votary of dialogue with Modi.

Patel told TOI that he congratulated Modi on his victory. "We had a good first meting," he said. Patel felt the Muslim community should initiate dialogue with Modi even while there are differences of opinion on him.

The move comes months after the UK government softened its stance on the Gujarat CM — British high commissioner to India James Bevan attended Vibrant Gujarat investment summit held earlier this month.

Patel's change of heart may not go down well with his colleagues at CIM, which continues to oppose Modi. The organization has criticized the UK government's decision to resume trade ties with Gujarat. In December, British MP George Galloway moved an 'early day motion' in the House of Commons deploring the UK government decision to end Modi's boycott.

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Let us debate the idea of India
Speaking to The New York Times on Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi’s prospects for leadership at a national level, Ashutosh Varshney of Brown University opined, “Modi’s politics is against the idea of India… The idea of India has a clear place for minorities as minorities, not minorities simply as individuals.” His comment succinctly captures the view of most so-called secular intellectuals and politicians.

If minorities, be they religious, ethnic or linguistic, must exist as groups and these groups supersede individual identities, what, then, does it mean to be an Indian?

It is noteworthy that this was a pressing question during the decades preceding the founding of the Indian Republic, through the tumultuous 1930s and 1940s. This question, along with that of the position of Muslims as a “minority” group in free India, gained importance with the political rise of the Muslim League under Jinnah.

One of the reasons why the Congress party accepted partition and rejected the last-ditch compromise that was the Cabinet Mission Plan of May 1946 was its disagreement with the Muslim League, which demanded differentiated citizenship. Jinnah asked for separate electorates, grouping of provinces by religion and myriad other religious identity-based “safeguards”.

In such a confederation based on consociationalism and confessionalism, religious identity would have primacy by constitutional sanction. The League had earlier fought for, and won with British connivance, these separate electorates. Jinnah initially opposed separate electorates, but that was before he discovered the raw political power of the dog whistle “Islam in danger”. The Congress too had opposed separate electorates initially, before Motilal Nehru instrumentally constructed an about-turn with the Lucknow Pact of 1916.

The Muslim demand for separate consideration gave rise to other communities asking for the same. The idea of separate electorates for Dalits was supported by B.R. Ambedkar, and stoutly opposed by Mahatma Gandhi. The latter undertook a fast unto death, and 1932’s Poona Pact, unlike the Lucknow Pact, was a compromise, not surrender—reservations, not separate electorates, carried the day.

When the Republic was created in 1950, reservations were enunciated with a clear sunset clause, but they have been extended and even expanded by successive governments in the last six decades. Ambedkar stood for the long-term annihilation of caste. But reservations have, in fact, perpetuated it.

Moreover, it is important to take cognizance when designing policy that caste and gender identities are less easier to change than one’s religious identity. Any government that creates “minority” religion-based schemes and reservations—it would be baffling to any rational, neutral observer how these are termed “secular”—is incentivizing conversions from the majority community, especially if such reservations are socio-economic and not just political.

In the Constituent Assembly debates, some Indian Muslim leaders once again raised the issue of separate electorates. Sardar Patel shot the proposal down with great anger and pain saying, to thunderous applause, that “those who want that kind of thing have a place in Pakistan, not here... we are laying the foundations for One Nation.”

The demand for separate electorates prior to independence and even partition itself arose from the view that Muslims are a separate grouping. In a free, democratic India, if Muslims should be treated as a group and not as individual Indian citizens, why, then, did we accept the trauma of partition?

Thanks to increased economic freedom since 1991, there are an increasing number of Muslims who see themselves, first and foremost, as aspirational Indians. But ultra-conservative Islamist leaders and “secular” politicians, who are both invested in denying the individuality of the Indian Muslim for maintaining their power, want to box these individuals into a group identity.

The mentality that seeks to view Muslims as a separate group in free India also thrusts upon them a separate civil code, once again in the name of an Orwellian kind of secularism. Most of our intellectuals saw no wrong when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh proclaimed that a particular religious group has the first right over the nation’s resources and when Rahul Gandhi peddled religion-based quotas before the Uttar Pradesh elections—both are “secular”.

Instead, a chief minister who addresses the citizens of his state as “six crore Gujaratis” and declines central education aid because it discriminates against citizens based on religion is “communal”. When Narendra Modi was asked by the Sachar Committee what we had done for minorities in Gujarat, Modi replied he had done nothing, just as he did nothing for the majority community. “Whatever I do is for the six crore people of the state; I believe in equal development for all,” Modi is reported to have said.

The “secular” intellectuals deride Narendra Modi as “communal” for not fielding Muslim candidates for Muslim constituencies during elections, not realizing that their demand is akin to the Jinnah’s demand for separate electorates. In the face of these grotesque distortions, one is reminded of George Orwell’s 1946 classic “Politics and the English Language”.

Maulana Azad, in a seminal speech as Congress president delivered in March 1940 at Ramgarh, spelled out how by emphasising internal differences, British imperialism “sought to use various groups for the consolidation of its own power”. Today, the Congress party and the “secular” intellectual establishment champions a softer form of Islamic separatism.

Azad envisioned Muslims in a free India to be confident and aspirational - but the Congress party has borrowed the Muslim League’s demagoguery (which itself derived from the British Empire’s strategy) and adopted policies in provincial and the Union governments that seek to enfeeble Muslims and keep them dependent on the government dole, adding to the efficacy of this dog whistle and thus maintaining its grip on political power. What would Azad and Patel have said?

This has shackled India’s Muslims and kept India behind, for no nation can become developed if 15% of its population remains economically and socially isolated.

Narendra Modi, who has become the lightning rod for the debate on the “idea of India”, breaks from this narrative. Perhaps for the first time in independent India’s history, reams have been written on a sitting chief minister’s governance record, with writers splitting hairs over economic growth rates and human development indices. That Narendra Modi has shifted the debate in this direction is in itself an achievement. No sitting chief minister has faced the kind of scrutiny that Modi has for the 2002 riots that happened on his watch.

The Supreme Court’s Special Investigation Team in its 541-page closure report exonerates Narendra Modi and charges activist Teesta Setalvad with tutoring case witnesses to commit perjury and of “cooking up macabre tales of killings.” In fact, those who are alleged to have participated in the 1984 Sikh pogrom backed by Rajiv Gandhi and the Congress party continue to be cabinet ministers with incredible impunity in the UPA government.

We are told that Gujarat was always a prosperous state and development is nothing new. But it should also be remembered that Gujarat has had a very bloody history of communal violence. In the worst riots that happened in 1969, thousands of Gujaratis died; 578 of the 685 communal incidents reported in that decade all happened in 1969, according to a news report in Outlook magazine. Between 1987 and 1991, 106 incidents of communal violence took place, according to the same report.

If traditional entrepreneurship and business friendliness is responsible for Gujarat’s economic success, surely communal problems too are attributable to historical factors? It is notable that there have been no communal riots since 2002, marking a period of unprecedented peace in the state. This is partly enabled by the sustenance of economic growth. Raymond Fisman of Columbia University and Edward Miguel of the University of California at Berkeley have shown that a causal link exists between poverty and conflict. They have demonstrated that ameliorating poverty and creating economic opportunity mitigates violence and conflict.
For liberalization supporters, it is heartening to see that Narendra Modi has ushered in a “hundred small steps” to make Gujarat the economically freest state in India, displacing Tamil Nadu in the latest rankings. Social sector reforms have been implemented too – the Chiranjeevi scheme in maternity care was one of the earlier PPP (public private participation) models in the health sector, while the tweaking of the one-size-fits-all RTE (Right to Education) Act from Delhi gets private schools recognized based on outcomes instead of inputs.

As has been documented by economist Bibek Debroy, Gujarat has been one of the fastest growing states and the agricultural sector has not been left behind, enabled by various micro-reforms in the power, irrigation and other sectors. According to the Sachar Committee Report, the all-India rural Muslim poverty number was 27%, and just 7% in Gujarat. The state also has a higher percentage of Muslims in high government positions compared to Maharashtra and Delhi despite having a relatively smaller Muslim population.

Coverage of Integrated Child Development Services (ICDS) for Muslim children is 7.6% all over India, and 31.7% in Gujarat. Mid-day meal coverage for Muslims is 22.8% (all India) and 31.4% (Gujarat), respectively. The report also contains facts such as the national Hindu female labour force participation rate being almost double that of the Muslim one. There are endogenous factors for minority backwardness, not just discrimination.

We in India should strive to remove all identity markers from the state’s business—from the Hindu Undivided Family benefits to Haj subsidies, from St Stephen’s College being taxpayer funded despite having a substantial Christian quota to disallowing conversions and discouraging beef consumption simply because some dislike it. Caste quotas need to be gradually phased out with a binding sunset clause. No major political party is likely to adopt this programme in the near future. Therefore, a realistic—if necessarily subjective—comparison between the BJP and the Congress is needed.

While Congress heir apparent Rahul Gandhi has no track record to commend or critique, governments led by his party—nationally and various states - have been at least as bad as the BJP on free speech, encounter killings, and other civil liberty violations. While a POTA (Prevention of Terrorism Act) was repealed, Section 66A of the pernicious IT Act now haunts citizens. Moreover, the Congress supported exemptions in the RTE Act under pressure from conservative Muslim groups, just like Rajiv Gandhi had earlier buckled during the Shah Bano case. Is a sellout to hardline religious conservatives “secular” and in the interest of India’s 150 million Muslims?
In a diverse nation like ours, most individuals have overlapping identities—Shaivite, Buddhist, Bengali, Yadav, Sufi, agnostic, female, bisexual - and the state makes for a clumsy adjudicator. For example, if one religious group is not allowed to adopt children, then the state is effectively giving them a rather unpleasant choice – accept our definition of your faith, or declare yourself an apostate. The philosopher Ayn Rand was right when she said, “The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.”

In a land of over a billion minorities, the unifying strain that all of us share is that each of us is an Indian - and retaining this individuality amidst the panoply of identities is the idea of India.
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fanne wrote:Could it be that a cattiest state like Bihar is hiding a bigger secret? That in 39% of votes of NDA there, lion share is with BJP, mostly upper caste vote of 22% (and many other OBC and some SC votes). JDU is essentially a Kurmi Koeri party with 6-9% vote base (and other communities voting). Could be that BJP with an OBC as PM candidate can actually sweep Bihar, with or without Nitish? In Bihar, the Muslim vote (16%) will not go to BJP, nor will the BC vote of Yadav(8-12%) and Kurmi/Keori (6-9%)and Paswans (15%). Rest over 50% of Upper cast and OBC/MBC vote is for Modi to take? Also not all Yadavas are enamored with Lalu (Noth east Bihar yadavs have been voting BJP since RJM/Bhagalpur rights). And NK is no undisputed leader of Kurmis as Lalu is of Yadavs. Keori may join the OBC bandwagon of Modi. The task is cut out for BJP but there is potential.
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Bang on fanne ji; and that is why I keep saying, Nitish Kumar is merely playing the faith fool so that they dont consolidate and play a spoil sport, beyond that there utility to NDA is very limited.
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I am not sure where the "others" are gaining 50-60 seats except AP. That too Naidu and TRS may decide to go with NDA. Unless they have added TMC to the "others".
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What is the situation like with Navin Patnaik?
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^^ Bilkul Uske dimag ke tarah se
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He has no computer. He seems to be very backward! But then he doesn't want to be mistaken for an Internet Hindu!
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The newly-appointed Congress vice president has, it appears, a penchant for bedtime stories. He has consistently displayed an admirable talent for narrating these and other family legends and is at his articulate best when recounting them with the zeal and flourish of a gushing fourth grader.

The Congress vice president has also publicly professed, during the course of one of his insipid election campaigns, to be a follower of Mahatma Gandhi – “who was the true Rajpurush”. Keeping his inclinations and ideal in mind, here is another real bedtime story for him. It would give him clues to the many questions he has raised on the non-functioning of state institutions and systems in paragraphs 10 to 13 of his naively composed acceptance speech at Jaipur. It is a story he would do well to internalise and reflect upon on the eve of Republic Day and also perhaps pass it on to his mother who has expressed grave concern over having been compelled to serve him the poisoned chalice.

Here is the story as it unfolded in the heart of Lyutens’s Delhi over two cold January days in 1948. In the course of his public meeting on January 11, 1948, the Mahatma in deep sorrow “referred to a painful matter”. He spoke of two letters – one “from an elderly gentleman”, an aged friend whom he knew and addressed as “Deshabhakta” and who did not write as a rule, and the other from a young man he did not know. Both had written to the Mahatma, as a last resort, beseeching him to urgently address the situation. Though they had written to him with reference to the behaviour and tendencies of Congressmen in Andhra, the Mahatma was quick to surmise that the situation was developing to equal proportions all over the country.

He recounted how one of the correspondents bewailed that the “Congress today is falling. Everyone in the Congress today wants to become an MLA (and) those who succeed do not work for the country but only for themselves”. The correspondent, noted the Mahatma, says that the MLAs “are corrupt and they harass the civil servants and try to browbeat them into doing their bidding” and in this way both suffer morally – “civil servants as well as those who call themselves our representatives”.

The elder correspondent, the Mahatma said, “suggests that I should go and see… how things are. He says the rot is spreading amongst us, the more people we return to the Assemblies, the greater the amount of filth”. These MLAs, he complained, “go into the Assemblies to serve their self-interest” and “do not in any case represent the people”.

The next evening, the Mahatma again referred to the letters and had excerpts read out from them. The extracts from Deshabhakta’s letter were revealing:

“The one great problem, apart from many other political and economic issues of a very complicated nature, is the moral degradation into which the men in Congress circles have fallen, the conditions are very deplorable. The taste of political power has turned their heads. Several of the MLAs and MLCs are following the policy of making hay while the sun shines, of making money by the use of influence, even to the extent of obstructing the administration of justice in the criminal courts presided over by magistrates. Even the District Collectors and other revenue officials do not feel free in the discharge of their duties on account of the frequent interference by the MLAs and MLCs on behalf of their partisans. A strict and honest officer cannot hold his position, for false reports are carried against him to the Ministers who easily lend their ears to these unprincipled self-seekers. The factions in the Congress circles, the money-making activities of several of the MLAs and MLCs and the weakness of the Ministers have been creating a rebellious spirit among the people at large. The people have begun to say that the British Government was much better and they are even cursing the Congress.”

Mahatma, the ‘Rajpurush’ did not offer to make an analysis of the letters nor of the situation, he simply called upon the people to “measure the words of (this) self-sacrificing servant of India, and to “beware”.

This is a real story and will make the Congress vice president realise how little things have changed in his party and what a stellar role it and his ilk have played in turning India into what it is today. His favourite ‘Rajpurush’ had anticipated it long ago!
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ravi_g wrote:What is the situation like with Navin Patnaik?
He may swing to NDA if BJP get beyond 175. However, there are certain aspects of him that are tricky to understand. There was no reason to pull out of NDA even in 2009 but he did that at the last minute. He can be pulled to a different direction from those who don't like to see India rules by NDA at any cost.
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Sanku wrote: Bang on fanne ji; and that is why I keep saying, Nitish Kumar is merely playing the faith fool so that they dont consolidate and play a spoil sport, beyond that there utility to NDA is very limited.
If that is the case, won't they play spoilsport anyway if Nitish Kumar fails to carry out his threat of leaving NDA, even after NM is put forward as the PM candidate?
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vijayk wrote:http://www.niticentral.com/2013/01/soni ... oment.html
Rahul Gandhi’s formal ascension as vice president of the Congress can be said to be Sonia Gandhi’s ‘Dhritarashtra moment’, the occasion when Indian polity’s supposed great renunciate failed to resign her own post and transfer power to her aging son and heir-designate of the Nehru-Gandhi Dynasty. Far from empowering Rahul Gandhi to assert himself within the party and the UPA dominated by the Congress, this could frustrate his maturation process and emergence as a ruler in his own right.
Niti Central ko Chitthi, Its not Dhristrashtra ( D= MMS) its the Gandhiari moment with Uncle
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Muppalla wrote:
ravi_g wrote:What is the situation like with Navin Patnaik?
He may swing to NDA if BJP get beyond 175. However, there are certain aspects of him that are tricky to understand. There was no reason to pull out of NDA even in 2009 but he did that at the last minute. He can be pulled to a different direction from those who don't like to see India rules by NDA at any cost.
The architect of BJD's pullout (ostensibly due to kandhamal) Pyari mohan mohapatra's been expelled from the party for a (ahem) coup attempt. Naveen could continue to get rotten advice but not from the old serpent at least.

Besides, incumbency has weakened BJD's position which makes naveen a tad more agreeable to realism and reason. Or so I hope.
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Gujarat govt to celebrate Republic Day in Dang

This is the kind of original thinking that one increasingly associates with Modi.

Has the central government ever considered moving Republic Day celebrations to cities outside of the Dynasty's own Mughal backyard ?
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Naveen was under immense pressure to prove his "secular" credentials after Kandhamal riots by both national and international forces "opposed to Hindu nationalism".
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@Chinmayi
Via @AaryanDineshK: Ada pavingla. Why ya you use my voice to 'dub' for Mrs Gandhi? :rotfl:
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Poor Assy N0ndy. Wanted to indirectly link NM with corruption using the OBC angle but got caught in his own tactical brilliance.
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^Heh i agree. His sec-left mind will never change. He attended a rethinking religions conference hosted by Dr Balagangadhara at Gent. I had high hopes that he would begin to embrace dharmic thinking but he is just as foolish as he was before.
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RoyG wrote:^Heh i agree. His sec-left mind will never change. He attended a rethinking religions conference hosted by Dr Balagangadhara at Gent. I had high hopes that he would begin to embrace dharmic thinking but he is just as foolish as he was before.
JLF is a CON strategy and led by scum bag crowds led by Amaan Ki Asha types, Outlook, Tehelka kind of jokers. The jokers want to bring every one to condemn RSS, BJP and make them anti-national entities where as make ISI, JuD, LeT, TSP army ba$tards as moderate forces fighting RSS/BJP. Most of the message is geared towards it. As soon as it started, the attackers started attacking BJP/RSS for opposing the Paki writers' participation especially some one who attacked routinely Hindus/Hinduism. Meanwhile many Islamic fundoos warned that they will attack JLF if they try to spread any modern message to Muslims. As usual, our PAID PRESSTITUTES started equal-equal game: evil RSS and some other organizations are attacking JLF. The idea is to equate Fighting Modernization of Islam == Banning Paki Hindu bashing experts.

The idea of these gangs such as Tarun Tejpal and Tehelka is to keep India burning in the identity politics: Hindu vs Muslim, Hindu vs Christian, UC vs OBC, UC vs SC/ST, OBC vs SC/ST. The hate they generate against each other will keep the DIEnasty dogs for ever. Any topic: Governance, Law/Order, Corruption, Administration, Infrastructure, Development can be derailed by generating intense hatred of Caste or Religion.

Looks like this blew up in their face today.
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Arjun wrote:Gujarat govt to celebrate Republic Day in Dang

This is the kind of original thinking that one increasingly associates with Modi.

Has the central government ever considered moving Republic Day celebrations to cities outside of the Dynasty's own Mughal backyard ?
The man is a true leader, visionary and brilliant. India will be at a great loss if we
can't make this man PM and change the history of the country.
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It is one thing to call people gullible or observe their voting patterns, it is another thing to call them dumb and stupid
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SwamyG wrote:It is one thing to call people gullible or observe their voting patterns, it is another thing to call them dumb and stupid
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Sorry for getting carried away. Corrected
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nachiket wrote:
Sanku wrote: Bang on fanne ji; and that is why I keep saying, Nitish Kumar is merely playing the faith fool so that they dont consolidate and play a spoil sport, beyond that there utility to NDA is very limited.
If that is the case, won't they play spoilsport anyway if Nitish Kumar fails to carry out his threat of leaving NDA, even after NM is put forward as the PM candidate?
They will any way play a spoil sports to a extent -- they have to be -- managed. If you notice Nitish has never really threatened to leave, he has only made some genric noises which are neither here nor there.

He can continue playing the game of -- ally with me and be ok or let go to Laloo and then if I lose, its between you and the BJP.

Once you have power, its surprising how many people are suddenly amenable to reason.
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vijayk wrote:
Arjun wrote:Gujarat govt to celebrate Republic Day in Dang

This is the kind of original thinking that one increasingly associates with Modi.

Has the central government ever considered moving Republic Day celebrations to cities outside of the Dynasty's own Mughal backyard ?
The man is a true leader, visionary and brilliant. India will be at a great loss if we
can't make this man PM and change the history of the country.
In a state this is possible at the country level this makes little sense. Did India exist before the arrival of the Mughals?
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peter wrote:In a state this is possible at the country level this makes little sense. Did India exist before the arrival of the Mughals?
India is not equivalent to most other countries. The closest equivalent would be the European Union if it added fiscal and political consolidation on top of the monetary union.
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Big money for Modi, Didi loses out

Under Mamata Banerjee’s chief ministership, West Bengal managed to implement new investment proposals of just Rs. 935 crore from April to November 2012, while Narendra Modi’s Gujarat acted on Rs. 49,405 crore — 50 times more.

Unsurprisingly, Gujarat tops the chart while Bengal is at the bottom among the major states.
Andhra Pradesh ( Rs. 10,745 crore), Maharashtra ( Rs. 7,021 crore), Madhya Pradesh ( Rs. 2,157 crore) and the much smaller Punjab ( Rs. 1,042) is ahead of West Bengal in implementation of investment proposals, according to the Union ministry of commerce and industries

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 02335.aspx
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Sushupti wrote:Big money for Modi, Didi loses out

Under Mamata Banerjee’s chief ministership, West Bengal managed to implement new investment proposals of just Rs. 935 crore from April to November 2012, while Narendra Modi’s Gujarat acted on Rs. 49,405 crore — 50 times more.

Unsurprisingly, Gujarat tops the chart while Bengal is at the bottom among the major states.
Andhra Pradesh ( Rs. 10,745 crore), Maharashtra ( Rs. 7,021 crore), Madhya Pradesh ( Rs. 2,157 crore) and the much smaller Punjab ( Rs. 1,042) is ahead of West Bengal in implementation of investment proposals, according to the Union ministry of commerce and industries

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 02335.aspx
Modi is no surprise but AP is a surprise to be in that list especially being politically uncertainty at peak. However see the gap. Gujarat is at top and all other states together is next.
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sum wrote:When Uber-secular Vicky Najjappa has this to say, one knows the kind of fire INC is playing with just for a few votes:

No probe has directly linked RSS to terror yet
The latest remark by Union Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde on terrorism and training camps being run by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh has created a furore across the nation. It has even given the likes of Hafiz Saeed, the top man of the Lashkar-e-Tayiba, some ammunition to bash India.

The question is what prompted Shinde to issue such a statement linking the RSS to terrorism by some Hindu fundamentalists, and whether the investigators have been able to ascertain the direct role of the RSS in the various attacks that have rocked the nation in the past couple of years.

Although in the investigating circles there was talk in hushed voices regarding a possible link between some Hindu radicals and incidents of terrorism, it was slain Maharashtra Anti Terrorism Squad chief Hemant Karkare who exposed this nexus for the first time.

During this time there was also talk that many of these Hindu radicals enjoyed the support of some members of the RSS.

So what have the investigations into the various cases relating to terror by Hindu radicals shown?
Ironically despite all these names doing the rounds none of these cases have attained any sort of closure as of yet, which again leaves the alleged role of the RSS in these cases open ended.

It has been found that there are many elements who had turned rogue and decided to take to terror activities. However, there is nothing on record to show that the RSS as an organisation had provided space or funds to carry out such activities.

Sources in the NIA, however, pointed out that some members of the RSS had funded these radicals without the knowledge of their organisation.

"It is difficult to prove a direct link, but we are not giving anyone a clean chit. Most of the RSS functionaries who have been questioned in connection with these cases have maintained that they knew these people but were not aware of what they were up to. There was a need to fight to aggression from across the border, but none had authorised anyone to take an extreme step," the NIA official said on conditions of anonymity.

"The RSS had even distanced themselves from these elements. Varshney and Berry had even stated that there was nothing wrong in knowing a person like Devendra Gupta. He was an RSS worker and was regularly spotted at organisational functions. But that does not mean we were aware of the plot," the official said.

Investigators also stated that despite several allegations being hurled at Indresh Kumar, there is nothing as of now to show a concrete link. "In some cases we have found that Kumar was in contact with these operatives, but the links regarding to his financing of these activities is still under investigation. It was also found that some of these persons were taking his name as they felt let down and cheated when Kumar did not come to their rescue when they were arrested," another official said.

As far as the 'training camps' of the RSS are concerned, which the home minister had linked to terror activities, investigators pointed out that most of these camps were found in dense forests. Many were camps that were operating individually and funds had been raised through donations.
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Just in and I wonder how Sushupti ji is not on the beat:

NM met RNS, had lunch and in NM's own words - 2014 ke baare mein bahut vistaar se baatchit hui (extensive discussions on 2014). Modi also sought guidance on what he should do in Gujarat. :)
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This was a good move by NM.

NM reminds me of a Ganesha story where Lord Ganesha defeated Mamasur by throwing a flower at him. The flower drove Mamasur crazy. The way he handled Keshu bhai with all due respect and the way he treated VHP by basically ignoring them shows how detailed is his politics. I just hope he does not oversells himself. One spell of NM and the whole of India will willingly support his every move. This period is going to be crucial for Hindus.

The old rotten structure supported by a toxic pus of Kongis, macaulay's children, assorted RNIs needs a strong push in the short run to destroy its foundations in the long run.
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peter wrote:
vijayk wrote:Gujarat govt to celebrate Republic Day in Dang

The man is a true leader, visionary and brilliant. India will be at a great loss if we
can't make this man PM and change the history of the country.
In a state this is possible at the country level this makes little sense. Did India exist before the arrival of the Mughals?
Speaking at different functions on the eve of the R-Day, he said that the government has decided to celebrate the national festival this year at the doorstep of predominantly tribal people of the district to involve their participation and co-operation. tnn
This is just an example. The point is his ideas, vision and innovativeness in bringing in solutions to multitude of problems.

1. While every CM/PM/CON ITALIAN want to give free electricity, he convinces majority of farers to use power in the nights at discount rates.
2. Willingness to promote drip water irrigation to reduce water wastage
3. His idea of integrating tribals is not just send 500 Rs cash and buying votes for ever or pitting tribals against upper castes as most crooked MAFIA NGO network/Fiberal network tries to do. Make them self reliant so that they can become productive in the society and achieve self dignity.

Have we see one initiative/idea from the SCUM DIEnasty other than sending money and buying votes or Hindus are terrorists or SOnia started crying in Rahul's room or watching the pictures of Batla terrorists.
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