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^^^^
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IN is so desperate, delivery is not confirmed yet and they have shown it in republic day parade

hahaha
IN is so desperate, delivery is not confirmed yet and they have shown it in republic day parade


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By that logic, IAF should not have shown the AW 101 and the AEW&C.akshat.kashyap wrote:^^^^
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IN is so desperate, delivery is not confirmed yet and they have shown it in republic day parade![]()
Just to remind, INS Vikramaditya is an Indian ship as of date.
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How does Sindhu-Rakshak translate to "Sea Giant"?
By that logic, this forum is "India Giant" forum


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Sea Giant
Sindhurakshak would mean "Protector of Ocean/Sea"

Sindhurakshak would mean "Protector of Ocean/Sea"
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Confused Rakshak with Rakshass
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IN showcased scorpene model 3 years back when deal was signed and they are still 4 years from getting 1st one.akshat.kashyap wrote:^^^^
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IN is so desperate, delivery is not confirmed yet and they have shown it in republic day parade![]()
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Russia hands over refitted submarine to India
MOSCOW: An Indian Navy diesel-electric submarine has been handed back to India following a major refit at Russia's Zvezdochka shipyard. The contract for the refit and modernization of the INS Sindhurakshak (S63), a Project 877 EKM (NATO Kilo-class) submarine was signed in June 2010.
Part of the refit involved installation of equipment for Klub-S (3M54E1 anti-ship and 3M14E land attack) cruise missiles and over 10 Indian and foreign-made systems, including the Ushus hydro-acoustic (sonar) system and CSS-MK-2 radio communications system.
In addition, the boat's cooling system was modified, a "Porpoise" radio-locater fitted and other work carried out "increasing the boat's military capacity and safety".
The boat is due to set sail for Mumbai Jan 29 via the North Sea route off Britain. It will be accompanied by Russian ice-breakers. It will be the first time an Indian submarine has undertaken a handover in ice conditions. ians
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Same reason why after 'engagement' you call the other person your fiance/ee and show off to the publicakshat.kashyap wrote:^^^^
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IN is so desperate, delivery is not confirmed yet and they have shown it in republic day parade![]()

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^^^^^ Sometimes, god forbid, you don't even get married. 

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But you still advertise!! And then find a replacementrajanb wrote:^^^^^ Sometimes, god forbid, you don't even get married.

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will the khans allow anti-subwarfare equipments be used on their own subs lurking out in Indian ocean?
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=19885
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=19885
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Damn 120 is a big order, Perhaps AW101/NH90 would be a better bet then putting all ASW assets under khan uncles control.
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The Merlin is too big and will be expensive to operate because of its 3 engines. The EC-725 and NH90 are better bets.Cybaru wrote:Damn 120 is a big order, Perhaps AW101/NH90 would be a better bet then putting all ASW assets under khan uncles control.
I have a fundamental question though. Are these 120 supposed to be in the same class and perform the same duties as the 12 that the IN is currently looking to buy? If so, then what is the need for a new competition, which will take another decade to finish? Just buy the same one they select for the first order. Will maintain commonality as well.
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EC725 has too small a user base to be considered a viable option.
NH90 has a huge order book but cash strapped euros are cutting back as fast as they can.
in short neither seem to have the guaranteed future upg and support of the seahawk
NH90 has a huge order book but cash strapped euros are cutting back as fast as they can.
in short neither seem to have the guaranteed future upg and support of the seahawk
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They have named the ship slightly differently... as the ship is still active in SLN, hence a new Pennant # of P57. check Wiki and other sources.K Mehta wrote:IN has reused the pennant number as well as name for INS Saryu! Zimble onlee
Names and Pennats are reused only if the ship is decommissioned.
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Very true but it looks like Euros might not be having their ducks in a row and Khan can still walk off with the deal... I would prefer just buy more of the same Helo we have already selected for the initial 12/16 requirement/competition. Maybe IN/MoD wants to get some more bang for the buck and hence a new competition (maybe DPP related).Cybaru wrote:Damn 120 is a big order, Perhaps AW101/NH90 would be a better bet then putting all ASW assets under khan uncles control.
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NH90 has been getting lots of bad press in Australia in their induction phase. Seems none of them are being used operationally yet. Just going through training rounds still. Perhaps induction issues or something larger is amiss.
Perhaps Eruo being in a soup, it might land us a good deal on either of those birds. AW101 seems better, but bigger than Nh90 by a fair margin. More loiter time and bigger payload as well. Would make good ship based AEW platform for VIK. Perhaps IN will order 12-18 AEW versions, about 48-64 ASW options and rest for transport duties.
Perhaps Eruo being in a soup, it might land us a good deal on either of those birds. AW101 seems better, but bigger than Nh90 by a fair margin. More loiter time and bigger payload as well. Would make good ship based AEW platform for VIK. Perhaps IN will order 12-18 AEW versions, about 48-64 ASW options and rest for transport duties.
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The two leading asw navies usn and jmsdf use seahawks.
Rest of nato are along for the ride.
Rest of nato are along for the ride.
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A year or so ago LM was thinking of offering two types of the Seahawk: the S and the R. For cost reasons.
I do not think it will work. IN will want one-size-fits-all.
I do not think it will work. IN will want one-size-fits-all.
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Seahawk is the c130 in its line. Been around forever in umpteen roles. We cant go wrong with it.
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Shrinivasan wrote:They have named the ship slightly differently... as the ship is still active in SLN, hence a new Pennant # of P57. check Wiki and other sources.
Names and Pennats are reused only if the ship is decommissioned.

from livefist shows that both the name and the pennant number have been reused. I believe the previous Saryu was decommissioned from IN before transfer to SLN, allowing this exception.
Official IN news release says the same
See also IN Surface Fleet - Page 8
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Saryu p 54 21 Jan 2013
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What is weight class of Sea hawks, I thought ALH would fit in the weight class of the Black hawks?
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Atreya ji refer to this report from tarmakatreya wrote:K Mehta ji, in that case, why did the article use the words 'present' and 'gift'? I guess a contract was signed to assure them of the timeline and did not involve any cost negotiations. If there indeed was such a transaction, the article would have said that HAL is ready to 'deliver' the aircraft.
HAL gets onboard Dornier with aggressive marketing plans | Antony to hand over one HAL-DO-228 to Seychelles on Jan 31
No gifting business this. The difference between a good and a bad reporterDefence Minister A K Antony is handing over one HAL-DO-228, maritime surveillance aircraft to the Government of Seychelles on January 31, in New Delhi. As per a contract signed last year, HAL needs to deliver another aircraft to Seychelles within a year.

BTW nice pics of the Dornier there.
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seahawk is nearly twice the size and weight of dhruv. most of us underestimate the size of these naval helis due to the ships being big....the sea king is pretty big too vs Dhruv when you stand next to it.
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Thanks... if this new OPV was named INS Saryu (P54) where did the Penant # P57 come up? DDM?K Mehta wrote: Official IN news release says the same
See also IN Surface Fleet - Page 8Code: Select all
Saryu p 54 21 Jan 2013
Edited: I could discern the differences between the old and the new ships...
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Mehta sir, checking the images it doesnt look like just a normal 228 as a matter of fact its got the full senson payload of radar and optical sensors. Abduls take note I believe (might need to check just in case) we just exported our first MPAK Mehta wrote:Atreya ji refer to this report from tarmakatreya wrote:K Mehta ji, in that case, why did the article use the words 'present' and 'gift'? I guess a contract was signed to assure them of the timeline and did not involve any cost negotiations. If there indeed was such a transaction, the article would have said that HAL is ready to 'deliver' the aircraft.
HAL gets onboard Dornier with aggressive marketing plans | Antony to hand over one HAL-DO-228 to Seychelles on Jan 31No gifting business this. The difference between a good and a bad reporterDefence Minister A K Antony is handing over one HAL-DO-228, maritime surveillance aircraft to the Government of Seychelles on January 31, in New Delhi. As per a contract signed last year, HAL needs to deliver another aircraft to Seychelles within a year.
BTW nice pics of the Dornier there.



I do wonder what they are exporting in this case because the original IN and CG ones (BR Navy page had some good info on this somewhere) were employing elta 2022 v2 or v3 radar with el-op payload and associated work stations. Does this mean we are now producing these in house or have sourced them from they yehudis for re export or developed our own payloads for these?

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Some new pics of INS vik sea trials.
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+1Aditya_V wrote:shouldnt the above link be banned?
Dont post any link to that site plz.
If those pics are the ones i think they are, then u can get them from the original source instead of a paki website:
http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/140159.html
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Nick and Aditya sir I get the point you raise.Nick_S wrote:1Aditya_V wrote:shouldnt the above link be banned?
Dont post any link to that site plz.
If those pics are the ones i think they are, then u can get them from the original source instead of a paki website:
http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/140159.html
@ Nick sir ; The link you post have different and old photos of vik trial. I really feel proud while saying, some time paki do a good job especially about what others are doing.

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Woah, see the other photos from http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/136722.html
Mindblowing photos of INS Vikramaditya!
Mindblowing photos of INS Vikramaditya!
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INS Sindhurakshak crew chilling out , Young and Beautiful
http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/139538.html

http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/139538.html
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^^ Damn, the wimmens are something else... No wonder the Russians find it so easy to get others in honey-traps since the place seems loaded with pretty women and might be tough to resist onlee!
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Womens are as beautiful even in Indian Pubs and you might get honey trapped any where , I am sure these officers who go out on training to different places are adequately sensitised on such subjects.
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and kept an eye on them all the time
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Definitely....didnt mean about the IN officers in question but in general about any defence folks from non-Russian countries posted there since Russians are among the more aggressive users of honey-trapsAustin wrote:Womens are as beautiful even in Indian Pubs and you might get honey trapped any where , I am sure these officers who go out on training to different places are adequately sensitised on such subjects.
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sum no point speculating , meanwhile some news from Viki
Russia Completes Indian Carrier Engine Repairs
Russia Completes Indian Carrier Engine Repairs
MOSCOW, February 1 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Sevmash shipyard has fixed the engine problems which caused a delay in the delivery of the refitted aircraft carrier Vikramaditya to the Indian navy last year, a United Shipbuilding Corporation source said on Friday.
“All the problems with the boiler insulation have been fixed by Russian specialists with the use of Russian-made components,” the source said, adding the ship will sail for additional sea trials in the White Sea in June.
The Vikramaditya, which is already years past its original 2008 delivery date, was supposed to have been handed over on December 4, 2012, but sea trials in September revealed the ship's boilers were not fully functional.
The source of the problem, which reduced the ship's maximum speed, was due to use of low-grade Chinese-made firebricks in the boiler insulation instead of asbestos, according to Russian shipbuilders.
Vyacheslav Dzirkaln, deputy director of Russia’s Federal Military-Technical Cooperation Service (FSVTS), said previously that the carrier will be delivered to India in November 2013.
New Delhi has shown signs of impatience over the Vikramaditya's tortuous refit, and demanded compensation from the Russians at a meeting in October 2012 for the latest delay in delivery, Defense News reported. The Russians rejected that claim, saying the parts which failed had been bought by the Indian Navy.
The Indian Defense Minister A. K. Antony repeated the claim in December. “Rectification of the defect is likely to take six months. Liquidated Damages (LD) clause for delays in delivery is incorporated in the contract," Bharat-Rakshak quoted Antony as saying. "As per contract, LD is to be ascertained and levied within six months of ship's delivery,” he added.
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More on the above
Repairs to INS Vikramaditya completes, says Russia - Vladimir Radyuhin, The Hindu
Repairs to INS Vikramaditya completes, says Russia - Vladimir Radyuhin, The Hindu
Russia has completed repairs on INS Vikramaditya, fixing the engine problems that caused a delay in the delivery of the refitted aircraft carrier to India last year.
“The Severodvinsk Shipbuilding Enterprise Sevmash has finished the repairs to the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya [Admiral Gorshkov],” the Interfax news agency reported on Friday quoting an official in the Russian Navy General Staff.
Russia’s United Shipbuilding Corporation has confirmed the report, adding that sea trials of the aircraft carrier would resume in summer.
During the sea trials last year the ship developed propulsion problems when insulation firebricks on the boilers started to fall out when the engines were run at full power. The repairs involved replacing the insulation lining between the boiler steel casing and ceramic firebricks.
Even though the problem has been fixed, the aircraft carrier cannot leave the shipyard till summer when the ice-clad White Sea reopens for navigation.
Russian officials said earlier that the aircraft carrier would be delivered to India in November 2013.
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Guys check this out norwegian p teen c trailing viki. Not good they also dropped the maal to record the noise sig of the the aircraft dont know rusi could be so leniant on letting this happen.(or is it that now viki is phoren maal so don't care ?)
http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/
http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/