Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 27 Jan 2013 23:15

I'm not sure they want to go for that.
but if there are deliberate Sikhandis being propped up, then we can be sure that they are thinking of a longer-term strategy beyond 2014.
not sure if that is the case, but there are definitely interesting things happening in RSS circles.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Jan 2013 04:11

I really like this structure of BJP Parliamentary board (if comes true as predicted by PP guy). Complete decimation of Windbagians.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 28 Jan 2013 04:57

Sushupti wrote:I really like this structure of BJP Parliamentary board (if comes true as predicted by PP guy). Complete decimation of Windbagians.

Is sushma swaraj any less of a windbag, she knows just how to talk. Rootless leader to the core

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Jan 2013 05:00

National affairs on Modi’s menu

New Delhi, Jan. 27: Narendra Modi today said he held “detailed discussions” with BJP president Rajnath Singh on the 2014 general election, renewing focus on the party’s possible choice for the next Prime Minister.

The meeting, which took place over lunch at Rajnath’s residence, lasted more than two hours and was described as “fruitful” by the Gujarat chief minister in a tweet.

“Discussed how the BJP can serve the nation further,” he added, the word “nation” being seen as further confirmation that Modi no longer envisages himself as another regional leader. On the day Modi was re-elected for a third term, he had addressed his supporters in Ahmedabad in Hindi and smiled through the cries of “PM, PM” that rent the air.

This afternoon in Delhi, Rajnath and Modi made the most of their meeting, posing together for pictures and giving sound bites.

Asked by reporters about the meeting, Modi said: “I sought his (Rajnath’s) guidance for what more the BJP can do to serve the people of Gujarat and the people of India. We also held detailed discussions on the coming general election.”{It's an indirect message for D4 to behave and respect Rajnath and not to ignore and insult him like last time}

Rajnath said: “We sat together for a couple of hours and discussed about Gujarat and the 2014 elections.”

BJP sources said the issues ranged from the crisis in the party in Karnataka that goes to polls in April-May, Jharkhand and a slew of state elections at the end of the year that will pit the BJP and the Congress in a direct fight. On 2014, they spoke of the prospect of the BJP replacing the Congress at the Centre, but in a coalition and not on its own, the sources added.

The sources claimed Rajnath stressed the importance of strengthening the NDA coalition and adding more allies. While few in the BJP challenge the perception that Modi would easily outrank his peers if a popularity contest was held, the tricky point was whether he was acceptable — not just to the existing allies but to prospective ones as well.

Time and again, the Janata Dal (United) had said if Modi was projected as the BJP’s face for Prime Minister, it would walk out of the NDA “in minutes”. However, it is learnt that barring a couple of BJP leaders supposedly eyeing the Prime Minister’s post, the rest have come round to the view that if it came to foregrounding Modi, the BJP should not be “swayed” by the Dal (United)’s threats.

The Modi-Rajnath session today was significant for another reason. During Rajnath’s first tenure as BJP president, he had thrown Modi out of the party’s parliamentary board. Current spin around the ejection holds that Modi was “too preoccupied” with Gujarat and could not attend the board meetings regularly but at that time, it was understood that Rajnath was dictated to by the RSS whose relations with Modi had plummeted to a new low.

Since then, Modi has repaired his relations with the RSS and Rajnath with Modi.

In the recent consultations held to replace Nitin Gadkari as the BJP chief, sources said Modi “readily” accepted Rajnath’s name and assured the RSS of co-operation with him.

After Modi left, Arun Jaitley, the Rajya Sabha Opposition leader, called on Rajnath.

Sources said Rajnath’s endeavour would be to “work in a spirit of co-operation and consensus”. He was also being pressured to put Modi in the front “without wasting time”.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130128/j ... QW6PR0Tg44

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Jan 2013 05:02

muraliravi wrote:
Sushupti wrote:I really like this structure of BJP Parliamentary board (if comes true as predicted by PP guy). Complete decimation of Windbagians.
Is sushma swaraj any less of a windbag, she knows just how to talk. Rootless leader to the core

She can't do much without the gang and its leader "Lohpurush". Look at the current members

Shri Nitin Gadkari

Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee

Shri L.K. Advani

Dr. Murli Manohar Joshi

Shri M. Venkaiah Naidu

Shri Rajnath Singh

Smt. Sushma Swaraj

Shri Arun Jaitley

Shri Ananth Kumar

Shri Thawarchand Gehlot

Shri Ramlal Ji

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Jan 2013 07:57

All the kings' men: Meet Rahul Gandhi's A-Team

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/rahu ... um=twitter

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 28 Jan 2013 10:34

Sushupti wrote:I really like this structure of BJP Parliamentary board (if comes true as predicted by PP guy). Complete decimation of Windbagians.

Err, isnt the parliamentary board, supposed to consist of parliamentarians?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 Jan 2013 14:50

Could somebody please write down who the D4 of the BJP are? Thank you!

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 28 Jan 2013 15:01

RajeshA wrote:Could somebody please write down who the D4 of the BJP are? Thank you!

It is a mythical group, constituted by each and everone based on their pet peeves and current political wind, its members have in past included

L K Advani
Sushma Swaraj
Arun Jaitely
Venkaiah Naidu
Nitin Gadakari
Rajnath Singh
<add you fav punching bag>

This is a list of people who are letting BJP down, made by the folks who are closer to BJP than BJP top brass itself and are keen to save BJP from BJP. Usually this group uniformly agrees that NaMo is the sole hope of BJP and can transform the world merely by stepping up and rest of the Sangh parivar is superfluous and was not involved in anyway in construction of Swayambhu Modi-ji.

The D4 gang consists of any politican who on that day has appeared to not immediately endorse "Modi for PM, Modi for CM, Modi for Gen Sec, Modi for Prez, Modi for <>" all together and right now.

They are also part of the windbag gang (as led by ABV instead of Advani) if the mood so strikes.

sum · Post by **sum** » 28 Jan 2013 15:47

Interesting development:
Shinde, PC cheated Telangana, book them: AP court to cops

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Jan 2013 16:03

stupid development which the drama in Hyderabad does make. These ministers have said nothing legally wrong. It is nothing but political drama from ProTelangana groups. If we see what KCR said earlier and even now - whichis very little less than ethenic cleasing - there can be numorous on him also.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 28 Jan 2013 16:24

RajeshA ji, to my understanding also the D4 is a mythical group. A lot of people have had a lot of different kinds of aahuti in this yagya. Not all Aahuti deserves the same prasaad. All these people in Sangh know quite well they stand next to nil chance of a political life or political growth without the collective behind them but all of these are very driven people so they fight. Not all of drive is to our benefit. Whatever works take it. Most people including Sanku ji have already decided NM should come in. Some like Sanku ji think that it would not be disastrous if NM gets ignored and the rest of the Sangh can actually go on even without him. I personally beg to differ.

Basically excercise your judgement.

sum · Post by **sum** » 28 Jan 2013 16:51

Yashwant wants Modi as BJP's PM candidate; snubs Nitish

Senior Bharatiya Janata Party [ Images ] leader and former finance minister Yashwant Sinha [ Images ] has asked newly-appointed party president Rajnath Singh to name Gujarat Chief Minister Narendre Modi as the party's official prime ministerial candidate for the 2014 Lok Sabha elections.

“If Nitish Kumar (Bihar CM and leader of Janata Dal-United, crucial alliance partner of BJP-led NDA) is not happy let him quit the alliance. Modi can lead the way," Sinha said.

Taking a dig at Nitish Kumar, who has been a vocal critique of Modi’s ‘communal politics’, Sinha said, either the whole party is communal or its not, but only one individual (Modi) should not be dubbed as communal.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 28 Jan 2013 17:08

^^^
Now Yashwant Sinha is making the flip flop. He was one of those who said NDA should go without a PM candidate. On one side the media cooks stories and on the another side all the yahoos does not present a single/cohesive message.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 28 Jan 2013 17:14

RajeshA wrote:Could somebody please write down who the D4 of the BJP are? Thank you!

It is initially just Advani, Jaitley, Sushma and Anant Kumar. They are alleged to be hand in glove with UPA and is in opposite direction to anyone who is electorally popular. They were anti-Modi, anti-Yedd as both were electorally popular. Advani is way past sell-by date and the others have no skills to win a seat in elections on their own.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 28 Jan 2013 17:19

Re. Yashwant Sinha supporting NM

But I doubt if Yashwant Sinha can say anything that Advani ji does not like. This is getting Konphusing. In the morning TV told me RNS is being talked about. But RNS himself will not be able to sell his PM candidature, not to the cadres not to anybody.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 28 Jan 2013 17:22

ravi_g wrote:Re. Yashwant Sinha supporting NM

But I doubt if Yashwant Sinha can say anything that Advani ji does not like. This is getting Konphusing. In the morning TV told me RNS is being talked about. But RNS himself will not be able to sell his PM candidature, not to the cadres not to anybody.

Exactly the problem. They sometime make ambiguous statements so that they can deny later. Exploiting their ambiguity, the media also spreads lies (off late that is the trend). Entire sangh parivaar folks are looking like a non-serious bunch of jokers.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 28 Jan 2013 17:28

Muppalla ji, after the way Advani ji had his way with Gadakari & RSS and the way he expressed his appreciation of the ouster with laal tamatari gaal, I am sure Advani ji is cooking something. Something that I would not like.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 28 Jan 2013 17:33

Mupallaji, I understand your anxiety and worry (we all share it). Can you please tone down the rhetoric by not calling almost everyone a bunch of jokers? People are playing games (good and bad) and not everyone is a selfish braggart living in fantasy land. It would enlighten others better if you make list of actions/suggestions you feel are essential and also list of actions/suggestions that going to be disastrous (keeping in mind what can be shared openly and what not).

I liked the PP guy because he puts in a list (whether it is true or false is immaterial, but someone wants that list to be made public, either to make it real or to stop from making it real or something in between). A constant repetition of RSS+VHP murdabad does not add to the discourse.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 Jan 2013 17:56

Thank you all for your insights on the D4.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 28 Jan 2013 19:10

Muppalla wrote:Now Yashwant Sinha is making the flip flop. He was one of those who said NDA should go without a PM candidate. On one side the media cooks stories and on the another side all the yahoos does not present a single/cohesive message.

So, if Yashwant changed his mind, shouldn't that be welcomed ?

Frankly I think the whole Modi candidature is going exactly as per the appropriate schedule....Everything has to come together for him, and that is what is playing out as we speak. I don't see any reason to get worked up with the BJP, yet.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 28 Jan 2013 19:14

Arjun wrote:
Muppalla wrote:Now Yashwant Sinha is making the flip flop. He was one of those who said NDA should go without a PM candidate. On one side the media cooks stories and on the another side all the yahoos does not present a single/cohesive message.
So, if Yashwant changed his mind, shouldn't that be welcomed ?

Frankly I think the whole Modi candidature is going exactly as per the appropriate schedule....Everything has to come together for him, and that is what is playing out as we speak. I don't see any reason to get worked up with the BJP, yet.

Exactly, to me there is no confusion here. Yashwant sinha has just switched camps. He has realized the direction in which the wind is blowing.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 28 Jan 2013 22:09

muraliravi wrote:
Arjun wrote: So, if Yashwant changed his mind, shouldn't that be welcomed ?

Frankly I think the whole Modi candidature is going exactly as per the appropriate schedule....Everything has to come together for him, and that is what is playing out as we speak. I don't see any reason to get worked up with the BJP, yet.
Exactly, to me there is no confusion here. Yashwant sinha has just switched camps. He has realized the direction in which the wind is blowing.

I hope and wish both of you are right. I also wish that LKA and anyone else get into same mould. I wish especially Sushi Modi and Shanta Kumar types also turn that way.

However, I will be disappointed if they clarify differently in a different press conf and some other journ writes this all flip-flops as something chanikiyan.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Jan 2013 22:14

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 28 Jan 2013 22:50

Either the bhajpa leaders are trying to fool the congies by conflicting statements and retracting them late or they are really gone case guys with no control over what they speak. If it is the former it is a good tactic but i guess it is the latter, we often develop ingenious ways to snatch defeat from jaws of victory

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 28 Jan 2013 23:30

Cut the BJP guys some slack they haven't come this far by being dumb or just out of sheer luck, winning and losing keeps happening but that doesn't mean that BJP as a party has lost significance or is out of the national scenario.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 28 Jan 2013 23:45

There seem to be more windbags on this thread than in the BJP. This over-exaggeration of the mythical D4 (whose numbers seem to keep growing) and a big split within the BJP plays right into the INC's hands.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 28 Jan 2013 23:47

Bhai log I was also of the view that all is well on Modi candidature. Till I saw Advani ji grin.

Look there will be challengers and pretenders till the last moment. But it is the 'credible threat' that needs to be accounted for. At times in politics 'a compromise candidate' can also act as a 'credible threat'. But the case we are dealing with three characters who have opened their mouth or somebody else did for them - RNS, YS and LKA.

Yashwant Sinha:
Not proposed as candidate but fancies himself like a lot many others. Can only come in as 'a compromise candidate'. His case should be understood as those of anybody else who fancies himself as 'a compromise candidate'. Sushma ji, Jaitley ji etc. etc.

Unfortunately for YS he is stuck with LKA for good. Loyalties changing over need to have the base also changing over. Every loyalty is build up on several considerations. Ideology, Temperament, Core support base, Business links. Changing loyalty within the party is not the same thing as horse trading in parliament. You doubt that you can try that in your office. It is easy to leave the company but within the company and enjoy the same benefits is not so. This kind of difficulty is there with almost everybody else.

Raj Nath Singh :

RNS is the kind of guy who does not even fancies himself as PM. Only wishes so. One tiny itsy bitsy wish. Cannot move anything without support from several others. This kind of guy may get foisted but only as a seat warmer for somebody else. Quite like our PM. This kind of dark horse can be a credible threat only when there is a complete deadlock in negotiations. Exactly like in Third Front lead govts. At that time too every two bit idiot became the PM.

However present case is different. Modi is a bright guy dealing with conservatives who are seeing their stock stuck. This is not a deadlock situation. Both sides have a lot lot to offer to each other.

In such a situation my view is that the credible threat can only be presented by:

1) LKA like senior neta (Joshi ji also in this bracket even though he has not been talked about). Because these guys have one crucial element that is mostly not appreciated but that has in the past worked. Patience. The way LKA moved immidiately after the IT raids suggests his style. Sun Tuz can learn a thing or two from him. Till X point in time he was reconciled to the fate of seeing Gadakari at the top. The moment he learnt of the raids he could think of all the ideas.

2) Other successful chief ministers from BJP shashit rajya. These guys are not messing up the scene right now. But who knows.

This is to give ideas as to how the threats can possibily be classified based on my limited observations. Off course there could be other classifications also.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Jan 2013 23:57

If LKA is too strongly wants to be PM he might lose his LS seat! He really hasn't done much to help the Gujarat Assy elections. On the contrary he has done much to reduce the tally.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 28 Jan 2013 23:58

ravi_g wrote:
1) LKA like senior neta (Joshi ji also in this bracket even though he has not been talked about). Because these guys have one crucial element that is mostly not appreciated but that has in the past worked. Patience. The way LKA moved immidiately after the IT raids suggests his style. Sun Tuz can learn a thing or two from him. Till X point in time he was reconciled to the fate of seeing Gadakari at the top. The moment he learnt of the raids he could think of all the ideas.

Saar,
did LKA move in after the raids or did LKA pulled strings to create raids as a pressure tactic?

But, it seems it was not a total success because the raids ousted Gadakari, but could not foist the chosen candidate as president.

LKA's plan was to make susma as the president dislodging Gadakari.

There are rumours that Susma and LKA are close to dynasty. It seems susma even meets Ahmad Patil quite regularly.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 29 Jan 2013 00:04

JohneeG ji, certain things one needs to leave for others to fill up.

But no I would not say that, that necessarily is the case. The Kongi brass knows well they have messed up bad. The babe is merely a scapegoat. That the babe is more interested in Gym than in politics is only an indication of what he can best aspire for.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 29 Jan 2013 00:08

If the NG's moving out was a Advani camp plan (btw wasnt NG supposed to be a Advani man and against NaMo till yesterday) -- he would not have hinted IT to be careful when BJP comes to power.

This "dissension" is merely a media hype, something to show when nothing exists.

What next Keshubhai Patel was put up by Advani?

There are CTs and there are CTs but seriously folks, as Nachiket said, things are getting really bizarre now.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 29 Jan 2013 00:12

Sanku ji,

Come on. That is only for laughs.

Two guys mention it. One mentions it in jest, other rejects it and both have big smileys there. Thoda bahut mazak to chalta hai.

Ashok Sarraff · Post by **Ashok Sarraff** » 29 Jan 2013 00:25

Re. LKA, I guess more than the PM, he wants to be a former-PM. That is, he wants to touch the summit that he probably believes he should have reached instead of ABV or immediately afterwards. I think he is smart enough to know that his age is not on his side, but he wants to touch the PM kursi just once and then retire soon after. I don't think he has any desire to change the "fate of the nation" vagera. And that's how things may actually turn out given JD(U) shenanigans---LKA PM for a year a two with NM as his deputy and then LKA resigns and NM takes over. IMVHO.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 29 Jan 2013 00:30

ravi_g wrote:Sanku ji,

Come on. That is only for laughs.

ravi_g, you would be surprised, how seriously that message is being tried to be passed off as the current political reality. We may laugh and joke about it here, but this is deathly serious and is being treated as such by many.

INC is desperate that BJP be projected as a splintered group before the voting populace, one of the reasons I would like Modi to be the PM candidate (or even Advani-ji) is that this particular tactic fails.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 29 Jan 2013 00:32

Ashok Sarraff wrote:-LKA PM for a year a two with NM as his deputy and then LKA resigns and NM takes over. IMVHO.

I have been a long proponent of this method. This also removes the need for polarization amongst a certain community by giving them a excuse if they so chose to take it.

Will the communal forces however be intelligent enough to understand what games are being played by their senapati;s or would they go into a self destruct mode?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Jan 2013 00:49

But both are from same state! So wont fly.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 29 Jan 2013 01:05

Sanku wrote:
Ashok Sarraff wrote:-LKA PM for a year a two with NM as his deputy and then LKA resigns and NM takes over. IMVHO.
I have been a long proponent of this method. This also removes the need for polarization amongst a certain community by giving them a excuse if they so chose to take it.

Will the communal forces however be intelligent enough to understand what games are being played by their senapati;s or would they go into a self destruct mode?

when was the last time BJP came with overt aggressive "communal" agenda and lost?.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 29 Jan 2013 01:26

Sushupti wrote: when was the last time BJP came with overt aggressive "communal" agenda and lost?.

This is entirely wrong reading of what I said. I am not talking of the choice of tactic in terms of ideological positioning for the polls, but only the tactic of which senapati to project.

From the real picture -- of that choice Advani is as communal as Modi, if not more, the Jinnah fiasco notwithstanding. Everyone knows that.

Its only to provide a fig leaf to certain constituents for temporary purposes. Plausible deniability to those who want to play the game.

I would personally like to see Modi for 2 years as HM before taking on PM.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Jan 2013 01:54

Telangana again. Interesting situation for INC. Jan 28th was supposed to whent ehy would announce the decision. Now they want more time. Folks suspect the budget session would be lost.

First post...
Telangana is irrelevant, Congress has lost Andhra Pradesh

....Now its inability to untie the Telangana knot has only compounded its misery. But the problem also is that the Congress is not looking to resolve the Telangana tangle by taking a firm stand on whether it is good for the people in Andhra Pradesh and also the country.

It is looking at the issue through the prism of 2014. Which means if an `arrangement’ with Jaganmohan Reddy’s YSR Congress will fetch it better electoral dividends in the next Lok Sabha, it will decide to maintain status quo on the state’s boundaries. But if Jagan plays truant, it could redraw Andhra Pradesh’s borders closer to the elections.

Strangely for a ruling party, Congress today is in a situation where it has nothing to lose and everything to gain. Over the next few months, efforts will also be made to ensure that if Telangana is given, the credit does not go to any non-Congress player. The non-Congress Telangana votaries realise that and as elections draw nearer, every politician will indulge in a lot more posturing to project himself as the true champion of the region’s interests.

To ensure the other two regions are not a washout for the party, Seemandhra leaders are also being encouraged to raise the decibel levels. Congress MP U Arun Kumar’s anti-bifurcation conclave in Rajahmundry a couple of days ago was an effort in that direction.

There is also a short-term reason to Ghulam Nabi Azad and Sushil Kumar Shinde’s jugalbandi seeking more time. The party wants to hold the carrot of statehood to its MPs from the region to ensure the Budget session of Parliament does not hit the Telangana speedbreaker. They do not want its Telangana MPs to play truant like they did during the FDI vote, which forced Shinde to call an all-party meeting on Telangana on 28 December.

With all indications that Andhra Pradesh will turn out to be Andhera Pradesh for the Congress, someone needs to hire emergency lamps quick. Or just put out a board saying : `Power Cut’.

Pioneer:

Hyd boils as INC reneges on Telangana Promise

Lots of fluff and then...

....Moreover, some Congress leaders feel that if the party decides for Telangana, the announcement should be made by the newly appointed vice-president Rahul Gandhi, so that he could take credit for it, sources said.