Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

disha · Post by **disha** » 08 Feb 2013 07:22

vijayk wrote:He has to lay out his vision of Infrastructure, Irrigation, Manufacturing and address few Kisan sbahas and even some tribal/SC/ST congregations on how Guajarat model for development for tribal areas.

He will be ready to do that, like for example campaign in Bihar, but JD-U were scared of him! Assembly elections in the next few months will be interesting, I am looking forward to his campaigns in Rajasthan, Delhi and K'tka. Will Mamta allow him in Bengal? Or Biju in Orissa? Or Babu in Andhra?

disha · Post by **disha** » 08 Feb 2013 07:25

vijayk wrote:

Interesting will be to contrast Gujarat's growth in the same chart.

And pls. indulge me here for my transgression -

If AP (telangana or not) vote in CongI again in the next elections, I will be calling them "Guilty's".

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Feb 2013 07:26

I am looking forward to his campaigns in Rajasthan, Delhi and K'tka. Will Mamta allow him in Bengal? Or Biju in Orissa? Or Babu in Andhra?

NM is decisive when required. If the pros outweigh the cons of campaigning there, he will regardless of what the non-official (potential only, no tie-up yet) NDA allies may think.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Feb 2013 07:43

vijayak, Need to rethink AP politics and how they will play out. After everything there will be 41 MPs from AP. We don't know how many from each group and how they will vote.
So what would be strategy to make AP irrelevant from INC point of view?
An converse for the others?

I think making sure TDP wont support NDA will be one INC goal
Ensuring YSRJ is reduced to low numbers if another goal.

INC under KKR or BS doesn't have the strength to neutralize Jagan

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Feb 2013 07:51

I know it is democracy and ityadi, however Modi should adopt two prong strategy:
1) Woo aam admi
2) Woo aam neta

It is evident that he has charisma, facts and stats to prove his points to the youngistan. I have maintained that the country needs a vision; and anyone that offers vision and opportunities will find immediate backing. So one side, he has to influence the aam junta about what his vision is for the country, and for the aam admi. Vision is nice and dandy; however an individual is bound to ask "Mera kya hoga kaliya?". So Modi has to tie his vision to the progress of aam admi. He is stepping out of Gujarat, and has to focus on this particular relationship.

In democracy, charisma works only if there is grass roots support. This is where Modi has to pocket netas; again two prong strategy should be adopted:
1) BJP netas
2) Alliance netas

A King (or leader) is respected by outsiders only if his citizens respect him. A King is respected by his citizens if the King earns respects from outsiders. It might appear as a chicker-o-egg situation. It is not. History has taught us that no King/Emperor conquered foreign lands without conquering lands immediate to his territory - how much ever the territory is small to begin with. Be it the Cholas, Rayas, Maurayas, Greeks or Romans. An Emperor first unites people and territory in his immediate hold, and then sets it far away.

Modi has done that in Gujarat. INC has tried to fracture and create division, it has failed. Now Modi has to conquer BJP netas in the next 3-months. Then conquer alliance netas in the next 6-months. And the final stretch is to ensure INC does not resort to any EVM manipulation or pulling some tricks ityadi.

These conquered netas have control over caste politics and have good read of the ground conditions. And they have the ability to sway people to vote based on caste, religion and fear. These aam neta will be the local chiefs and warriors who will instill fear and inspiration for people to perform grassroots work and garner votes.

Modi has given credit to the youth, now he has to give MORE credit to his administration and people who work for him. Ignoring the youngistan or netas will result in a disaster for him.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 08 Feb 2013 07:54

Once they are out of reckoning, the ITALIAN MAFIA has very little control on TDP. Based on the field inputs, every one in AP says Jagan is going breeze through with a lot of support from women and labor. Some folks in AP said if Modi is the candidate, BJP might win 4-5 urban areas. Not sure how true that is.

But people in AP just gave up. Naidu's efforts to make Lokesh have divided a lot of TDP people especially NTR family loyalists in AP. I don't know how much of padayatra will help Naidu. We have to wait and see.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 08 Feb 2013 07:57

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 391740.cms
UPA policies leading to jobless growth: Study by govt body

Not only has India witnessed jobless growth during the UPA's tenure, it has also seen millions pushed to become casual labour with little social security, the Institute of Applied Manpower Research (IAMR), a think-tank of the Planning Commission, has said in a recently published research paper, 'Joblessness and Informalization: Challenges to Inclusive Growth in India'.

The report by the government body comes as a scathing comment on the character of economic growth under the UPA. The authors said despite clocking phenomenal growth which has made India the world's fourth biggest economy, "employment in total and in non-agricultural sectors has not been growing. This jobless growth in recent years has been accompanied by growth in casualization and informalization".

The report noted that 15 million workers shifted out of agriculture and into the manufacturing and services sector during 2005-10, leading to agriculture's share in total employment falling from 57% to 53%. In the same period, the construction sector added 18 million people as workers as the government made huge investments in infrastructure.

The research paper said in the period 2005-10, the manufacturing sector saw the loss of 5 million jobs. The services sector, which saw a massive growth of jobs during 2000-2005 of 18 million jobs, witnessed only 4 million additional jobs in 2005-2010. This, the report said, was odd considering the growth period is often called that of 'service-led' growth.

disha · Post by **disha** » 08 Feb 2013 07:58

Regarding AP. If Babu brings in Jr. NTR at state level with himself a cabinet portfolio at national level, will that work in favour of NDA?

The CBI carrot can be hung both ways, if YSRJ can manage to bring down CongI for NDA dispensation at center, in lieu of the CBI getting off the YSRJ., that might be workable. NDA can play that game too.

AP, Maharashtra, Rajasthan and K'tka should break away CongI votes and make them come <140. NDA will be reality if NDA >180 and CongI <140. Communists should be wiped out. There are some 200 urban seats, Modi must be eyeing that already. An 80% sweep (extremely tall order) will bring in 160 seats in itself. Rest 20-30 can come from other places.

With economy going into stagflation, lot of Urban voters will be voting with their stomachs (hopefully). I hope onion prices skyrocket (and Gujarat ends up exporting onions) during election time.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 08 Feb 2013 08:03

NM so far has connected with all sections of Janata that he communicated with in Gujarat. He also won (against the likes of Tata, RG etc) in SSRC speaker selection and connected with the students all over India. Similarly he will connect with farmers, workers, women and even minorities across India.

He didn't connect with media, NGOs, secularists, vote-bank politicians and terrorists in gujarat and it will be same across India.

I am confident of simple majority for BJP under NM.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 08 Feb 2013 08:19

Bowel historian (http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/th ... 390286.ece) shown his place.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 08 Feb 2013 08:31

The Left Demonizes India's Modi while his Popularity Soars

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201 ... z2KH3dUYfL

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 08 Feb 2013 08:45

Five point someone leader: Modi does a Chetan Bhagat

Read this article just for laughs, if you can get past the cringe-inducing frothing-of-the-mouth that one typically associates with these anti-Modi keyboard jihadis.

Reminds me of some of our own keyboard jihadis on this forum - 'What if he turns out to be a Hitler?"' 'Modi may have been behind 26/11' ....

Our lives would be so much more staid if it were not for some of these retards.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 08 Feb 2013 09:04

ramana wrote:vijayak, Need to rethink AP politics and how they will play out. After everything there will be 41 MPs from AP. We don't know how many from each group and how they will vote.
So what would be strategy to make AP irrelevant from INC point of view?
An converse for the others?

I think making sure TDP wont support NDA will be one INC goal
Ensuring YSRJ is reduced to low numbers if another goal.

INC under KKR or BS doesn't have the strength to neutralize Jagan

reducing YSJ to low numbers, and getting a lever on TDP are contradicting moves, IMHO.
INC is AP doesn't have the strength to achieve both of those objectives.
if they manage to really "reduce" Jagan, then TDP will be back to haunt them.
effectively, INC will have to cede some level of "control" to Jagan now, if they want to finish off TDP.
This is classic Mughaliya politics. even the Great Akbar had to negotiate give up regional control and access to certain intra-coastal privileges to the Deccan Sultanates.
this is the same repeating again. INC's ability to hold AP is gone. they have to relinquish and share power with Jagan, effectively making him another untouchable Pawar of the region.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 08 Feb 2013 09:16

This is from a rabid Modi hater.

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nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 08 Feb 2013 09:22

The dominoes are falling: EU ends ‘boycott’ of Modi

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/the-d ... 18018.html

Barely two months before the Gujarat Assembly elections of December, British High Commissioner James Bevan traveled to Gandhinagar to meet Chief Minister Narendra Modi. The significance of that move was that it signalled the British government’s “re-engagement” with Gujarat under Modi and ended a 10-year freeze and a virtual ‘boycott’ over the 2002 riots.

It was also the first sign that Western powers in economic decline were beginning to climb down from the pedestal of the high moral ground that they had clambered onto, largely in response to the high-decibel campaign by domestic human rights constituencies to target Modi over the 2002 riots. It also showed up the cracks in the united front that countries in the European Union had adopted on human rights considerations.

Now, those cracks have widened even further, and the entire wall of the European ‘diplomatic boycot’ of Modi looks set to come crashing down.

According to a report in the Indian Express, in early January, the ambassadors to India of all the countries of the European Union gathered at German Ambassador Michael Steiner’s residence to host a lunch with Modi, who had been elected barely a fortnight earlier as Chief Minister for the fourth time.

Over lunch, according to the report, and at the two-hour interaction that they had, the ambassadors evidently asked Modi some “”tough” questions about the 2002 riots, presumably about allegations that the State government was either complicit in or passive in in its response to the riots.

Modi, the report adds, answered them “patiently”. In addition, it notes, he briefed the EU ambassadors about his model of governance, and his ideas for India.

The significance of this lunch, which has remained under wraps evidently because neither side wished to acknowledge it publicly, was that this was the first contact between envoys of the European Union countries and Modi since the riots of 2002. As the Indian Express acknowledges, it “signalled the end of the EU’s diplomatic boycott of him.”

Sources close to the European Union envoys are attempting to save face for themselves by noting that it was not they who had travelled to Gandhinagar to Modi – in the way that the British ambassador did in October – but Modi, who had traveled to Delhi to meet them at their invitation.

But the bottomline of the engagement, as one diplomatic source noted, is that it had become impossible to “ignore” Modi now, particularly after he had been re-elected for a third time and had established his political legitimacy – and had made it abundantly clear that he nursed ambitions of wanting to play a national role.

Late in August, Modi had hosted a Google+ hangout, at which he was asked by his ardent supporters when it would be possible for Modi to travel to the US (which has thus far steadfastly held onto the position that Modi would be unwelcome in the US). In response, Modi had said that while his supporters were dreaming that he should visit the US, he himself had another dream – that “we become so empowered that Americans queue up for visas one day.”

There’s still some way to go before that happens. But just the fact that the economically enfeebled European Union countries are rapidly climbing off the moral high horse that they had mounted following the 2002 riots is a sign of the times.

All this is not to say that the wheels of justice in India, which are in motion to fix the blame for the 2002 riots, will cease to spin. On Thursday, a three-judge bench of the Supreme Court gave Zakia Jafri, widow of former Congress MP Ehsaan Jafri, permission to file a fresh petition to challenge the Special Invetigation Team’s recommendation for the closure of criminal proceedings against Modi. The court’s decision, which sets aside a lower court ruling, is perceived as a setback to Modi, since it comes at just the time when the chorus for his appointment as the BJP’s candidate for prime ministership in 2014 is growing louder.

The judicial process will go on parallelly, but the European Union envoys’ formal end of the boycott of Modi after 11 years signals that in the court of international opinion at least, governments around the world are waking up to the realisation that there is little merit in continuing to ignore Modi – and much to be gained from working with him.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 08 Feb 2013 09:58

TREK BEGINS

It will be wrong to assume that Mr Modi is unaware of the simple truism that Delhi is not India or Bharat, neither are the relatively affluent young men and women of a Delhi college representative of the Indian people.

Till the day before, the nincompoops were saying Gujarat is not India and neither are 'communal' Gujaratis representative of the real India. Now, the cry is Delhi is not India, and 'the relatively affluent youth of Delhi' are not representative...

Next it will be Mumbai, Kolkata, Chennai, Bihar, Chattisgarh, Kanyakumari.... falling over their feet to welcome Modi. And none of these places would still be representative of the 'real India' for these morons.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 08 Feb 2013 10:01

Sushupti wrote:This is from a rabid Modi hater.

what an idiot.

what development ideas did Indira Gandhi put...IIRC her big thing was sloganeering - garibi hatao...which SG and co are faithfully following with another slogan 'apna paisa apna haath'..

reminds me of the old and still relevant tamil song

'kayyila kaasu vaayila thosa....kuthinen muthira kuduthaanga sillarai'

money in hand, and dosa in mouth, stamped my vote and they gave me loose change.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 08 Feb 2013 10:03

Gus wrote:what an idiot.

what development ideas did Indira Gandhi put...IIRC her big thing was sloganeering - garibi hatao...which SG and co are faithfully following with another slogan 'apna paisa apna haath'..

reminds me of the old and still relevant tamil song

'kayyila kaasu vaayila thosa....kuthinen muthira kuduthaanga sillarai'

money in hand, and dosa in mouth, stamped my vote and they gave me loose change.

You misunderstood the tweet, Gus. Start reading from the bottom tweet upwards...he's saying Modi may be authoritarian but is much superior in development ideas to IG.

Ashutosh is normally a 'secularist' WKK type.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Feb 2013 10:09

The premise pf my post is INC wants to stop NDA at Delhi and check Jagan in state. So can TSP check Jagan in state and support a Turd front to keep communal forces out of power? And get some development package?

Who are the levers on TDP from abroad?

Recall UPA was forged when Anil Ambani forced Mulayam Yadav to swallow his pride and support Sonia Gandhi's INC alliance.

So who are the levers for all the million sundry parties? We need to understand them.

ashkrishna · Post by **ashkrishna** » 08 Feb 2013 10:11

Arjun wrote:TREK BEGINS
It will be wrong to assume that Mr Modi is unaware of the simple truism that Delhi is not India or Bharat, neither are the relatively affluent young men and women of a Delhi college representative of the Indian people.
Till the day before, the nincompoops were saying Gujarat is not India and neither are 'communal' Gujaratis representative of the real India. Now, the cry is Delhi is not India, and 'the relatively affluent youth of Delhi' are not representative...

Next it will be Mumbai, Kolkata, Chennai, Bihar, Chattisgarh, Kanyakumari.... falling over their feet to welcome Modi. And none of these places would still be representative of the 'real India' for these morons.

Read the ending, there cannot be a clearer indication of the utter confusion that prevails in the left-congi camp.

The more he speaks of the future, the more his past will rise like a spectre.

How ridiculous. He cannot speak of the future, because then, his past will haunt him. There is no depth to which these jholawallas will not plunge to bolster the legitimacy of their verbal gymnastics. What must Modi do, he must not speak of the future, he cannot point to present realities, he cannot open up past wounds...He cannot speak of development, he cannot talk about hindutva. They want him to lay prostrate and get steam-rolled by empty rhetoric.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 08 Feb 2013 10:17

disha wrote:
vijayk wrote:He has to lay out his vision of Infrastructure, Irrigation, Manufacturing and address few Kisan sbahas and even some tribal/SC/ST congregations on how Guajarat model for development for tribal areas.
He will be ready to do that, like for example campaign in Bihar, but JD-U were scared of him! Assembly elections in the next few months will be interesting, I am looking forward to his campaigns in Rajasthan, Delhi and K'tka. Will Mamta allow him in Bengal? Or Biju in Orissa? Or Babu in Andhra?

I doubt if state CMs (allies) will be happy to have NM. He will basically eclipse them all. Not good for the politics. But these CMs can be expected to do business lateron.

My view is whatever presense the BJP cadres have in these states they should work to divide the Kongis and their teams. Basically tactical campaigning as an investment/bet.

Most of these CMs have seen the dilemma of Mayawati, who has reduced herself to a hostage of Kongis even while Mullah-e-yam is getting stronger. They can be expected to take wiser decisions. Except Biju in Orissa nobody really is getting any buoyancy. IOW everybody is facing challenges.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Feb 2013 11:06

Congress worker suspended for Sonia, Rahul posters

Apparently because the posters weren't sycophantic enough, or so I thought... however, turns out it was just another manifestation of disgust at being ass-ociated with yindoo icons that got the dynasty's hail marying goat... onlee.

Allahabad: Embarrassed by posters depicting Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi as 'Rani Laxmi Bai' and 'Lord Shankar' respectively, the city unit of the Congress has suspended a senior party worker here, charging him with violating "party norms" which rejected "the idea of involving religion for political ends".

dhruvM · Post by **dhruvM** » 08 Feb 2013 15:00

A good take on NaMo & BJP's possible agenda for 2014. BDutt, Swapan Dasgupta, Meghnad Desai, Mark-sach-mein-Tully, Yoginder Yadav and Ravishankar Prasad. Clicky

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 08 Feb 2013 16:31

Modi is the man India needs

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 08 Feb 2013 18:20

@Swamy39
There is more Modi-fever inside 10 Janpath thatn even outside after the EU royal ditch. After the US comes on board, TDK in coma..

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 08 Feb 2013 18:33

Shinde’s saffron terror comment: BJP to protest outside PM’s house

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/shind ... 19021.html

BJP today declared that it will protest outside Prime Minister Manmohan Singh‘s residence on the eve of the forthcoming budget session of Parliament to press for its demand for an apology from Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde for his saffron terror remarks.It said Shinde’s comments on saffron terror appear to give the impression that the government is “terrorist-friendly” and was trying to give a “clean chit” to terrorists.

“These saffron terror remarks have been made as part of a conspiracy and a crime by Congress party. Neither has any clarification or apology been tendered till now,” BJP Vice-President Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi told reporters.He maintained that by making this statement Shinde has taken this issue to the international fora and it has ”tarnished” India’s image as a “terror state”

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 08 Feb 2013 18:55

dhruvM wrote:A good take on NaMo & BJP's possible agenda for 2014. BDutt, Swapan Dasgupta, Meghnad Desai, Mark-sach-mein-Tully, Yoginder Yadav and Ravishankar Prasad. Clicky

Yogendra Yadav says BJP has to be more like another version of Congress in order to be successful.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 08 Feb 2013 20:14

ramana wrote:The premise pf my post is INC wants to stop NDA at Delhi and check Jagan in state. So can TSP check Jagan in state and support a Turd front to keep communal forces out of power? And get some development package?

Who are the levers on TDP from abroad?

Recall UPA was forged when Anil Ambani forced Mulayam Yadav to swallow his pride and support Sonia Gandhi's INC alliance.

So who are the levers for all the million sundry parties? We need to understand them.

For TDP, it is Ramoji Rao

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Feb 2013 20:16

Best case for NM (and perhaps the country) is a hung parliament with mid term polls in 2015-16 thereabouts when the NDA can romp home. Inia's been on autopilot all of UPA-2 can suffer a yr or 2 more after which NM can take her to great heights with a comfortale NDA majority.Or so I hope.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 08 Feb 2013 20:24

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 08 Feb 2013 20:28

As the SC says, the wise blow with the wind.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 08 Feb 2013 20:32

Isko kya huya? If I understand right there is a deeper story (always suspected that). But then there is no pint telling it here if it is deep.
rgds,
fanne

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 08 Feb 2013 20:36

^^^ BRAman is being over-smart onlee... he is bending with the winds so he can hide the thorns deep within.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 08 Feb 2013 20:38

Race for PM: should India dump both Modi, Rahul?

Hey, if Rahul can't be PM no one can...

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-so ... /264442?hp

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 08 Feb 2013 20:57

Narendra Modi doesn't respect his own wife or others': Congress

At the AICC briefing, party spokesperson Renuka Chowdhary sidestepped questions on the "clean chit" given to Mr Modi by the European Union and instead asked whether the controversial Chief Minister has got a visa from the US.

"He has no respect for his own wife or someone else's wife.... He is anti-poor, anti-rural development, anti-women.

He lives in urban fantasies... and he does not know how to spell agriculture," Ms Chowdhary said.

I thought NaMo was a Brahmchari. Does Renuka know something others don't?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 08 Feb 2013 20:59

Old Blog Post

Published Sep 20, 2011
Modi on his way to accomplishing Mission Impossible

Those who ask Modi the politician to unambiguously apologise for 2002 – so that they can then say ‘gotcha’ -- obviously are either not connected or educated enough to see the silent and rigorous penance that has gone into what Modi the man has achieved in Gujarat during the last 10 years. Caught in their narrow prisms of politics, power, pelf and perfidy, they cannot fathom that a fakir-like leader – no family to propagate, no lavish life-style to sustain, no desire to make and hoard/hide money – is doing things differently because he thinks differently and is energised by different values that are nobler and higher than theirs.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 08 Feb 2013 21:03

People floating my name as PM candidate not well wishers: Nitish

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/peopl ... 19203.html

sum · Post by **sum** » 08 Feb 2013 21:07

fanne wrote:Isko kya huya? If I understand right there is a deeper story (always suspected that). But then there is no pint telling it here if it is deep.
rgds,
fanne

Hilarious to see B-Rawman keep swinging from one extreme position to another every few months!!

Was even more hilariuos to see Nidhi razdan's visible khujli and the kind of uncontrolled anguish during her discussion on EU ending boycott of NaMo. One of the foreign journos mentioned that in a few months, US will also end it and Nidhi almost seemed to have a heart attack

member_23658 · Post by **member_23658** » 08 Feb 2013 21:16

^ any chance this is on the net somewhere?