Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

[ramana]

Anujan,
I want to analyse all the three posts above this in the Pak a new way of looking thread.

Hussain Haqqani (the Good) gave a good chance to rid the scourge and uncle torpedoed it.

[Anujan]

Ramana-ji

If you think about it, between kargil days and now: there is lot more money involved (aid, arms) and a lot more power at stake (Afghanistan, zardari cases).

More money + more power = more intrigue, backstabbing, buying people off and deception.

I for one do not believe that Pakistan had a sudden change of heart. They are still playing the game killing Rabbani, arresting baradar, holding Omar and Osama. Somehow thinking they had a change of heart or that their promises can be believed is false. They are even more treacherous than the kargil days.

[Gagan]

Also Congress is really scared that Narendra Modi will become PM of India, and that the BJP will come to power.
They know that they have really got a bad name because of the corruption.
So national security is their new emphasis.
There is also intel that Pakistan is going to rachet up terrorism in the upcoming future.
So Pranab-da hangs Kasab and then Afsal Guru after Madam-ji's permission, because if the BJP comes to power this is probably the first thing they will like to do, like within the first week or so.

[member_23629]

Battered Person syndrome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battered_person_syndrome

Etiology
The syndrome develops in response to a three-stage cycle found in [] violence situations. First, tension builds in the relationship. Second, the abusive partner releases tension via violence while blaming the victim for having caused the violence. Third, the violent partner makes gestures of contrition. However, the partner does not find solutions to avoid another phase of tension building and release so the cycle repeats. The repetition of the violence despite the abuser's attempts to "make nice" results in the abused partner feeling at fault for not preventing a repeat cycle of violence. However, since the victim is not at fault and the violence is internally driven by the abuser's need to control, this self-blame results in feelings of helplessness rather than empowerment. The feeling of being both responsible for and helpless to stop the violence leads in turn to depression and passivity. This learned depression and passivity makes it difficult for the abused partner to marshal the resources and support system needed to leave.[7]

Feelings of depression and passivity may also be created by lack of social support outside of the abusive situation.

Describes Gandhi's philosophy and behaviour with respect to Muslims very accurately. He even talked of "passive" non-violence!

[sadhana]

Describes Gandhi's philosophy and behaviour with respect to Muslims very accurately. He even talked of "passive" non-violence!

Don't want to start off-topic exchange but every thing I have read shows that on the contrary, if Gandhi had not held his ground on one-man one-vote and on refusing to let Hindus be gerrymandered into parity with Muslims( even in the face of partition), India would today just be a larger Pakistan(or Lebanon today). He took a lot of abuse from both Muslim League and the British for it. To this day 'liberal' historians like Ayesha Jalal refer to Gandhi's refusal to back down as Hindu communalism. When Pakis blame Gandhi for partition they are right.

[SSridhar]

Haqqani refuses to Come back
He said he has been dubbed as a traitor and agent by political leaders without any evidence and he could not risk his life by coming back.“I have to take decision about my own security,” he said.

I think the 'better' Haqqani (let's use relative terms for Pakistanis because absolute terms come a cropper when the person so described opens his mouth or acts against India) is scared to tell the truth. It was not the 'political leaders' who dubbed him as a traitor. Let there be no mistake. It was the Army and its ISI that did so. Political leaders might have joined the fray but that is par for the course. It is the PA's words that took his situation to where it eventually went. They wanted him removed and replaced with their own candidate. The 'better' Haqqani was not a PA choice. Zardari & Gilani cleverly foisted their own man in that position making use of the strained relationship between the PA and the USA.

[SSridhar]

I have a different theory. With elections approaching, congress doesn't want to get caught with its chaddis down embracing Pakistan if a terror attack occurrs. And they are playing it safe.

Anujan ji, I completely agree with you. Nothing has changed in TSP. It was utter foolishness on the part of MMS and his coterie to expect anybody in TSP to keep his/her word. Time and time again, our leaders have made the very same mistake. It is even becoming boring for us to discuss their stupidity. The Pakistanis are becoming even more treacherous, as you rightly said.

TSP wants to get back Afghanistan first, drive India out from there and everything will start afterwards or just when that goal is about to be attained. The serious attack on India will be dovetailed with the denouement there. Pakistan may think, once again, that their narrow window of opportunity against India is immediately after the Taliban are reinstated in Kabul. The growing disparity in military capability may drive them to think like in c. 1965. That is why the left-over equipment from NATO/ISAF must not get to TSPA hands. That will embolden them tremendosuly just as it did in 1965. However, they are already angling for all that.

[joygoswami]

Came across this in fb. Not sure if posted before. Admins please remove if necessary.

TALIBAN TRAINED CHILDREN BEHEADING PAKISTANI SHIA SOLDIER

*** WARNING : Extreme Graphic Content

[Prem]

Corpse commandus conference underway
No beard Here but One

RAWALPINDI: The corps commanders were meeting in Rawalpindi on Thursday under the leadership of Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Asshfaq Pervaiz Kayani.The conference at the General Headquarters (GHQ) was discussing the country’s internal security situation along with professional matters pertaining to the armed forces.The military officers were meeting in the backdrop of overtures from the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) over holding talks with the government.Also today, almost all mainstream political parties and representatives of bar associations are to meet in Islamabad at a multi-party conference organised by the Awami National Party (ANP) to devise a joint strategy to tackle the problem of terrorism.On Feb 3, the TTP had expressed its willingness for talks but on two conditions — release of its seven leaders and guarantee by leaders of the Pakistan Muslim League – Nawaz (PML-N), Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam – Fazl (JUI-F) and Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) to make the exercise fruitful

[Prem]

We are gonna See now Yellowpoaqolocomotives


Pakistan to get Rs10.78bn Chinese locomotives

LAHORE: Pakistan and a Chinese company have finalized an agreement under which the former will buy 50 locomotives from the latter at a cost of Rs10.78 billion.According to the Chinese company, it will supply 25 locomotives to Pakistan later this year while the rest will be shipped towards the mid of the next year.Pakistan Ministry of Railways had placed the order for 50 locomotives with the Chinese company in December last year.

[putnanja]

We are gonna See now Yellowpoaqolocomotives


Pakistan to get Rs10.78bn Chinese locomotives

LAHORE: Pakistan and a Chinese company have finalized an agreement under which the former will buy 50 locomotives from the latter at a cost of Rs10.78 billion.According to the Chinese company, it will supply 25 locomotives to Pakistan later this year while the rest will be shipped towards the mid of the next year.Pakistan Ministry of Railways had placed the order for 50 locomotives with the Chinese company in December last year.

More chinese locomotives?? Well, the platforms at paki railway station will need to be altered once again

[Aditya_V]

Thank god the lease plan was scuttled .

[Anujan]

We are gonna See now Yellowpoaqolocomotives


Pakistan to get Rs10.78bn Chinese locomotives

LAHORE: Pakistan and a Chinese company have finalized an agreement under which the former will buy 50 locomotives from the latter at a cost of Rs10.78 billion.According to the Chinese company, it will supply 25 locomotives to Pakistan later this year while the rest will be shipped towards the mid of the next year.Pakistan Ministry of Railways had placed the order for 50 locomotives with the Chinese company in December last year.

They had tried to get this for free from India. These are for the national logistics cell. For transporting US equipment during US withdrawal and for making money.

The proposal to supply Indian locos went to Indian railways. The railway babus did some chai biskoot and concluded that Pakistan could not ensure the safety of Indian engineers who are needed to maintain the locos / train maintenance personnel etc.

[SSridhar]

Jihadists to step up attack on India; Call for Sarabjit's execution - Anita Joshua, The Hindu

Several banned anti-India militant groups, including the Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad, on Wednesday announced their resolve to step up ‘jihad’ in Jammu & Kashmir and avenge the execution of Afzal Guru by India for the 2001 Parliament House attack.

Other organisations, which converged at the National Press Club under the banner of the United Jihad Council, included al-Badr Mujahideen; Jamiat-ul-Mujahideen; Harkat-ul-Mujahideen; and Hizb-ul-Mujahideen.

Slogans

The speeches by representatives of all these organisations were punctuated with slogans like ‘ al-Jihad, al-Jihad ’; “ Kashmir banega Pakistan ”; and “ Guru tere khoon se inquilab aayega ” (“Guru, your blood will bring revolution”).

While they trained their guns on India, the speakers did not spare Pakistan’s government either, questioning its silence on Kashmir in general and Guru’s execution in particular. They questioned the bid to improve relations with India and step up bilateral trade. “How can you trade with India when India is destabilizing Pakistan?”

They also demanded the execution of Sarabjit Singh, the Indian death row prisoner who is currently lodged in Lahore’s Kot Lakhpat Jail. He has been held guilty of a terror attack which killed over a dozen people in the industrial city of Faisalabad.

[habal]

re Joy Goswami's post:

as you sow, so shall you reap.

take a look at the look of Kiyani at the Corpse Commandus meeting, just imagine what a thankless, soul-less, worthless country he is in charge of defending. Kiyani is a shia.

[SSridhar]

Composite Dialogue with Pak., a failure - G.Parthasarathy, Businessline

For nearly a decade, the UPA Government has relied exclusively on two pillars to deal with Pakistan-sponsored terrorism. The first is the composite dialogue Process, which has been proclaimed as “irreversible” and “uninterruptible”.

The second is the belief that --- fearing further terrorist attacks after 9/11--- the Western world, led by the US, will pressurise Pakistan to end its support for groups promoting terrorism in India, Afghanistan and beyond. We are told that there is no alternative to the “composite dialogue”’ for peace and security. Is this really true?

Pakistan-sponsored terrorism — described as ‘low intensity conflict” in its military manuals — assumed serious dimensions in Punjab in the 1980s. This was followed by terrorism in Jammu and Kashmir since 1990. Such terrorism spread across India after the 1993 Mumbai bomb blasts. By 1995, Chief Minister Beant Singh had effectively quelled militancy in Punjab. But even today, Punjab militants who were not eliminated, live comfortably in Lahore.

Encouraged by the antipathy of the Clinton Administration towards India, Benazir Bhutto ended all dialogue with India in 1994. Terrorism in J&K continued unabated, but Pakistan soon discovered during the tenure of Prime Minister Narasimha Rao that acts of terrorism elsewhere in India resulted in violence in populated centres like Karachi and Lahore. Terrorism in Indian urban centres virtually ended. {A nice way with words !}

Agreeing to dialogue

Thereafter, I. K. Gujral came to preside over India’s foreign policy. Knowing his nostalgia for his land of birth and keenness for dialogue, the Pakistanis came forward with a proposal in 1997 for a “structured dialogue”. Rather than insist on giving priority to terrorism, Gujral agreed to a dialogue, while discussions on terrorism were to be combined with issues on drug smuggling.

The Pakistani aim was to ensure that discussions on Jammu and Kashmir inevitably failed so that it could then seek internationalisation of the issue. When Atal Bihari Vajpayee assumed charge and international pressures grew after the nuclear tests, the NDA Government was left with little choice but to go ahead with what Gujral had initiated. It agreed to a “composite dialogue process”’ with Pakistan — a process where terrorism was merely the fourth item on the agenda, clubbed with drug smuggling.

It is important to note that in the four years between Benazir Bhutto’s decision to end dialogue with India and its resumption when Gujral assumed office, Pakistan-sponsored terrorism in Punjab ended and was virtually non-existent across India, except in Jammu and Kashmir. This was largely because of measures by Narasimha Rao to ensure that Pakistan paid a high price on its territory for sponsoring terrorism in India. {Slowly, this much-maligned great son of India is being recognized after the INC found him to be the convenient peg on which to hang all their own wrong doings for decades. Many recent articles from diverse sources have praised PVNR}

The resumption of the Composite Dialogue in 1998 coincided with the emergence of the Lashkar-e-Taiba. The Kargil conflict commenced shortly after the first round of the composite dialogue. This was followed by an attack on the Red Fort in Delhi Fort in January 2001 by the Lashkar-e-Taiba and the brazen attack on Parliament on December 13, 2001 by the Jaish-e-Mohammed.

After a tense military standoff, clear signals of Pakistan backing off from terrorism came when Musharraf proposed a cease-fire across the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir in November 2003. He thereafter agreed in January 2004 that he would not permit “territory under Pakistan’s control” to be used for terrorism against India.

The UPA Government is responsible for discarding the explicit linkage between terrorism and continuation of the dialogue process, agreed to in 2004. In its anxiety to continue the dialogue process at all costs, the Government insisted the dialogue process was “irreversible”. The diplomatic fiasco in Sharm el Sheikh — when the wounds of 26/11 were still raw — and the decision to welcome the Pakistan’s Prime Minister in Chandigarh for a cricket match, convinced Pakistan that India was ready to forget and forgive.
{Utter shame on us. We are stupid of the highest order. We explain away out gross stupidity by invoking Arthashastra. It is an insult to Chaanakya that we do so. Why do we resort to Chanakya whenever we make mistakes ? That is because, we cannot believe that our leaders can be so stupid. In our denial, we seek some way to get some solace.}

Confident of US support

Pakistan also appears to be confident that the other main thrust of India’s foreign policy -- of getting the Americans to pressurise it to act against terrorist groups -- is floundering. Heavily dependent on Pakistan for its withdrawal from Afghanistan, the Obama Administration has bent backwards to grant immunity from prosecution to former ISI chief, General Shuja Pasha — who had been summoned by a Federal Court in New York for his alleged involvement in the 26/11 attack. The request for the reduction in imprisonment for David Headley was yet another manifestation of the same approach.

The new Secretary of State John Kerry has been effusive over what he claims is cooperation received from Pakistan in dealing with terrorism. This, despite diametrically opposite views expressed earlier by President Barack Obama and outgoing Defence Secretary Leon Panetta. The US Embassy in Islamabad announced that “both sides reaffirmed their commitment to a strong defence relationship”.

Pakistan’s confidence about continuing US support is evident from the manner in which it has reached an agreement with Iran on the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline and virtually handed over the strategic Gwadar port to China. General Kayani will demand a high price for facilitating American withdrawal from Afghanistan.

The main pillars of India’s Pakistan policy, comprising “uninterrupted” dialogue and American backing on terrorism, are falling apart. The least that can be done is to discard the entire composite dialogue process and replace it with a process of engagement that focuses on terrorism. We should remember how Narasimha Rao showed little interest after 1994 in dialogue and made sponsorship of terrorism costly for Pakistan.

(The author is a former High Commissioner to Pakistan.)

[kenop]

Corpse commandus conference underway
No beard Here but One

This photu is rezykled.
It was discussed a bit a couple of months ago. Unless the extremely disciplined members of the jihad-fistula force are trained to give the same pose in multiple meetings separated by months.

[shiv]

Came across this in fb. Not sure if posted before. Admins please remove if necessary.

TALIBAN TRAINED CHILDREN BEHEADING PAKISTANI SHIA SOLDIER

*** WARNING : Extreme Graphic Content

Skip to 7:40 to see the head being cut off to the cries of - what else 'Allah ho Akbar". The man is alive but probably sedated because he does not twitch, but bleeds realistically.

Allah is great indeed to invent technology that shows what his followers do to the rest of the world.

Islam is a religion of peace, by the way. Muslims don't kill Muslims. What a bunch of ignorant frauds.

[Anujan]

National bird supplying medals to Unkil:
Panetta announces medal for drone pilots
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02 ... ilots?lite

[anupmisra]

Thank god the lease plan was scuttled .

Well, the pakis chose a one time gang-bang experience instead of a 50-year servitude. But I fail to understand the economics of the deal. At PKR 100 to a US$, each chini locomotive will cost $2.1 Million or so. Uncle Wiki tells me that a modern west manufactured locomotive with higher standards costs about the same. With the track record of chini-maal failing on a regular basis, looks like duspercenti's hands were definitely greased.

[SSridhar]

Blast kills 7 anti-Taliban militiamen in Pakistan - The Hindu

A roadside bomb hit a vehicle carrying members of an anti-Taliban militia in northwestern Pakistan on Thursday, killing seven militiamen, a police spokesman said.

Nine members of the militia were also wounded in the attack in Stanzai village in the Orakzai tribal region bordering Afghanistan, said Fazal Naeem. The militiamen were on their way to a meeting to discuss strategy against the Pakistani Taliban at the time of the attack, he said.

No one claimed responsibility for the blast but suspicion fell of Pakistani Taliban who have carried out many such attacks and killed scores of militiamen for supporting military operations against the Taliban.

The latest attack came hours after five suicide bombers attacked a police station in the country’s northwestern city of Bannu, wounding one police officer.

The city’s police chief Nisar Tanoli said three of the bombers detonated their explosives vests while the police shot dead the other two. {The loss of Fidayeen-e-Ustaad is telling upon the operations of the TTP. Five suicide bombers and only one police officer was wounded ? Not good at all}

Pakistani Taliban spokesman Ahsanullah Ahsan claimed responsibility for the attack in Bannu, describing it as retaliation for the killings of eight militants whose bullet-riddled bodies were found abandoned in the neighbouring North Waziristan tribal area.

Thursday’s attacks both in the country’s northwest but in different areas came at a time when many of the country’s main political parties were meeting in the capital, Islamabad to discuss an offer of peace talks by the Pakistani Taliban.

[SSridhar]

Pakistan's space programme - Letter in DAWN

IRAN’S space programme is now very advanced and it recently sent a monkey into space.

I remember that in the mid-1960s Pakistan’s space programme began with a lot of fanfare with the launching of two rockets (Rehbar I and II).

This caused great concern in India, which did not have a space programme then. Now with India planning to land a man on the moon and Iran also way ahead of Pakistan, should we not try to find out where we went wrong?

Was it due to massive corruption that we lost the race?

[Murugan]

Hassan Nissar Says That all in the yindoo sub-continent are genetically yindoos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... WNpM9mg1f8

[Lalmohan]

rehab-bar I and II seem to be early experiments in green paint technology transfer with Nike-Cajun rockets from unkil with full hand holding from unkil's people; nice...

[member_22872]

Regarding Hassan Nissar's statement; I think he seems to suggest that inquilab can't come to TSP because all TSPians are Hindus of India predominantly. To him, inquilab has to be a violent one.He also seems to suggest that because of Bharatiya strain we can't revolt? I think he seems to forget that it is Indians who revolted against British non-violently, through the leadership of Gandhi which was emulated by people like Martin Luther King. May be Because of TSP think they are so TFTA, any non-violent revolt escapes their brains or something they can't imagine. Could be also that they are not Indians anymore for now genetic makeup because of constant inbreeding might have made Hindu genes dormant.

And also Pakistan make into existence only because of such a revolt which gave independence from the British, the TFTA paki got their nation through piggy backing on Indian sacrifices.

[CRamS]

SS, GP surely makes a lot of good points, but one issue that I curious about from my vantage point is this. Does India have the kind of assets within TSP to strike Lahore, Slumbad and other RAPE centers like TSP has in India's metros? Also, remember, TSP can simply wipe out entire Balunchi villages, nobody would know, neither the RAPE on their side, or ours, or the pompous western toadies will raise a little finger. In contrast, India raids a terror cell in Delhi, and "human rights violation" will be on the front pages of newspapers everywhere. So, while MMS's surrender policy is shameful, not sure of going down the route GP suggests is a recipe for success, I mean the tit for tat will be very bloody. India sure has other levers, economic, diplomatic etc, which may be more safe, and of course, hard core intelligence and non nonsense elimination of local terror cells.

[member_20292]

STRONGLY RECCOMMENDED - Watch PA ex-General being ripped a new one along with a RAPE. No wonder the PA fears democracy.

Thanks for posting, anishns.

I RE-RECOMMEND this strongly recommended video.

Mind blowingly good. Love the way the two Pathans try to scare the Pakjabis in an ignorant manner, both of them invoking India/Indian references.

Undoubtedly India has something in its hands to light a fire neath the Pakjabi rear ends. Some Pathans, I am sure will happily oblige especially when something to do with Pakjabi rear ends is mentioned.

[Atri]

Hassan Nissar Says That all in the yindoo sub-continent are genetically yindoos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... WNpM9mg1f8

If this was said by a non-paki, I would have found it deeply offensive.. But then Nisar is a Paki, so what can be expected of him, if not warped logic.. The very existence of Pak and Paki is offensive to my human sensitivities, so I won't create much fuss over his grunting..

[SSridhar]

India sure has other levers, economic, diplomatic etc, which may be more safe, and of course, hard core intelligence and non nonsense elimination of local terror cells.

Pakistan has to be tackled at all levels. But, the tackling approach used by Indian leaders hitherto is to appease Pakistan, throw more good money after bad money, eternally hope that the prodigal brother will realize his folly and return, that India's destiny is tied to the well-being of Pakistan, that the bigger brother India must be generous, that Pakistan's perfidy and mendacity are to be graciously forgiven and forgotten and that India is also responsible for terrorism in equal measure (the last being the latest armour used by INC) etc. This is what GP is alluding to, IMO, in that op-ed.

I mean the tit for tat will be very bloody

CRS, don't you think it has been very, very bloody since 1947 ? A disproportionately large blood being spilled by us ? IMO, catharsis and blood-letting are inevitable if Pakistan has to be resolved once and for all. Pakistan is not a country to be dealt with by the week-hearted or pacifists or ahimsa-spewing Gandhians.

[pankajs]

Qadri refuses to give up Canadian nationality

ISLAMABAD: Minhajul Quran International (MQI) chief Tahirul Qadri said that he cannot fall prey to emotions and give up his Canadian nationality, reported Express News on Thursday.

“I respect the Supreme Court’s decision but if I travel with a Pakistani passport then I will have to wait for months to get any visa,” Qadri told the media while referring to the apex court’s objection over his dual nationality.

The world is very unkind to the pakis these days.

[Raja Bose]

^^What to do, they have small hearts onlee unlike the large hearted Pakis who regularly display explosions of love towards the rest of mankind.

[pankajs]

Thank god the lease plan was scuttled .

Well, the pakis chose a one time gang-bang experience instead of a 50-year servitude. But I fail to understand the economics of the deal. At PKR 100 to a US$, each chini locomotive will cost $2.1 Million or so. Uncle Wiki tells me that a modern west manufactured locomotive with higher standards costs about the same. With the track record of chini-maal failing on a regular basis, looks like duspercenti's hands were definitely greased.

Must be on supplier’s credit. With India not providing it for free and IMF/WB/ADB not agreeing to finance it what option did paki's have. Apart from it being a single vendor situation, the Chinese would also have factored in the financing expense for the time needed to recover the money.

[sum]

It is important to note that in the four years between Benazir Bhutto’s decision to end dialogue with India and its resumption when Gujral assumed office, Pakistan-sponsored terrorism in Punjab ended and was virtually non-existent across India, except in Jammu and Kashmir. This was largely because of measures by Narasimha Rao to ensure that Pakistan paid a high price on its territory for sponsoring terrorism in India.

Good bless PVNR and hope we get future leaders who are even 1/4th of his acumen ( esp towards TSP) and we never have to bear PMs like MMS and Gujral who want to ensure that India is screwed by TSP

[ramana]

Anyone tied the Buffet acquistion of the ketchup company and elevation of Kerry? That removes any worries for him as its now off the market.

[ArunK]

Kargil discussion amongst Uber RAPES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31naFVSokMs

Published on Jan 30, 2013

Topic: Facts reveals on Kargil War.
Guests: Gen (R) Shahid Aziz Former Chairman NAB, Naseem Zehra Analyst, Air Vice Marshal (R) Shahid Lateef Analyst and Ejaz Haider Analyst
Host: Dr. Moeed Pirzada



Some key towels being thrown:

1. Gen Mush was stupid man. Not a strategic thinker
2. Kargil was a Blunder of the first order.
3. Ijaz Haider now adimts that this was not only a strategic blunder but it was also a *tactical* blunder

*Badly conceived, Badly planned, Badly executed*

Enjoy

[AbhiJ]

19 Bakis on the Way to Jannat

At least 19 people have been killed in a series of attacks in north-west Pakistan, officials say.

Seven were reported dead in a blast at a police checkpoint in the Hangu district of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province.

Meanwhile, at least six people were killed in a bomb attack on an anti-Taliban tribe in the Orakzai region.

In another incident, six suicide bombers died in an attack on a police station in the town of Bannu.

Officials said five of the bombers in that attack were shot dead by police while a sixth blew himself up. The Taliban carried out the attack, their spokesman said.

Officials said one policeman was hurt in that attack.

Security personnel and civilians are thought to be among those who died in the attack in Hangu.

Tribe targeted

The two roadside blasts in Orakzai region came only hours earlier, and left another 26 wounded.

Members of the Zakhakhel tribe had been travelling from Tirah valley in Khyber district to Peshawar when they were caught in the blasts in Orakzai.

There was no immediate claim for the bombing. Militants have carried out many such attacks in recent years in which hundreds have been killed.

An Orakzai administration official told the BBC there had been two bombs and that two passenger vans had been targeted near the village of Hasanzai. The injured include six women and five children, he said.

Map of Pakistan

The vans were heading for Peshawar via the town of Hangu, where many members of the Zakhakhel tribe have fled recently to escape fighting between pro-Taliban and anti-Taliban groups.

The tribe has been resisting attempts by the Lashkar-e-Islam militant group to extend its influence to the Tirah area, the BBC's M Ilyas Khan in Islamabad reports.

Lashkar-e-Islam has a tactical alliance with the Pakistani Taliban in Tirah and has attacked Zakhakhel members before.

A number of anti-Taliban tribal groups in the north-west are sponsored by the government in an attempt to drive militants out of their communities.

They are often attacked by insurgents. Pakistan's security forces are also fighting the militants in several areas.

[Lilo]

Kargil discussion amongst Uber RAPES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31naFVSokMs

Uber Professional Jernail Javed Hassan farmaoing on probable Indian response to Kargil

"Yeh Bania Lad nahi sakte"

[Prem]

Regarding Hassan Nissar's statement; I think he seems to suggest that inquilab can't come to TSP because all TSPians are Hindus of India predominantly. To him, inquilab has to be a violent one.He also seems to suggest that because of Bharatiya strain we can't revolt? I think he seems to forget that it is Indians who revolted against British non-violently, through the leadership of Gandhi which was emulated by people like Martin Luther King. May be Because of TSP think they are so TFTA, any non-violent revolt escapes their brains or something they can't imagine. Could be also that they are not Indians anymore for now genetic makeup because of constant inbreeding might have made Hindu genes dormant.And also Pakistan make into existence only because of such a revolt which gave independence from the British, the TFTA paki got their nation through piggy backing on Indian sacrifices.

He is in agreement with Dr Togaria. Weak Ones could not take the heat and converted thus no revolutionary material. On top of this Gold Plated Cowardness ,Inbreeding is leaving its mark by constant degradation in brain capacity to think and reflect.

[abhijitm]

Kargil discussion amongst Uber RAPES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31naFVSokMs

Some key towels being thrown:

1. Gen Mush was stupid man. Not a strategic thinker
2. Kargil was a Blunder of the first order.
3. Ijaz Haider now adimts that this was not only a strategic blunder but it was also a *tactical* blunder

*Badly conceived, Badly planned, Badly executed*

Recently TSPA is systematically trying to scapegoat musharraf on Kargil. Not sure what is their agenda, may be Kiyanahi doesnt want him to return and remain unchallenged? But it is inconceivable for me to think that rest of the generals were not dirty. The same people rallied around Mushy when they officially took over pakistan and he were at the helm for full 7 years. All this they calling Kargil a blunder is bullsh!t (not that it wasn't but hearing from paki mouth just not make sense). How come these goons came to sudden sanity? Talk about 71 if want to discuss blunder.

[Prem]

Howisthispossible

Pakistani soldier accidently crosses into Indian side of LoC

ISLAMABAD: A Pakistani soldier has accidentally crossed into the Indian side of the Line of Control (LoC) after being lost.The soldier inadvertently crossed the LoC in the Khoi Ratta sector.
Security sources have said that Indian officials have been contacted for the safe return of the soldier. Security officials said that incidents such as this have occurred in the past and were resolved through communications.