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Japan offers nuclear help to Saudi to free up oil
http://news.yahoo.com/japan-offers-nucl ... 00170.html
ABU DHABI (Reuters) - Japan has offered to help Saudi Arabia build nuclear power stations to free up more oil for exports, Kyodo news agency reported on Sunday, but a visiting Japanese minister said he was not seeking a supply increase now.Trade Minister Toshimitsu Motegi's visit at the weekend was aimed at securing extra oil from the world's biggest exporter in case of instability in world supply, Japanese officials had said.Japan's reliance on oil imports has risen after its own shift from nuclear power after the Fukushima disaster in 2011, but any deal to give Japan priority access to Saudi crude in the event of supply shortages would worry other oil importers."It was not that we have asked for any specific request for increase of production or supply. It was just the confirmation of the relationship we have," Motegi told journalists when asked whether he had sought assurances Japan could get more oil in a crisis.
Motegi had offered help building nuclear plants to free more crude for export and to meet rising Saudi demand for electricity, Kyodo news agency said. A Saudi official told Motegi he was hopeful Japanese technology could be used.Saudi Arabia's plan to build up to 17 gigawatts of nuclear power capacity over the next two decades has offered a possible lifeline to plant builders hit by a lack of demand since the Fukushima disaster.Motegi met Saudi Deputy Oil Minister Abdul Aziz Bin Salman bin Abdulaziz in Saudi Arabia on Saturday.Crude imports from OPEC heavyweight Saudi Arabia, Japan's biggest supplier, accounted for 31 percent of Japan's total in 2012, rising five percent from the year before to offset a cut to Iranian imports due to sanctions.State-run Saudi Aramco signed a deal with Japan in 2010 to store 3.8 million barrels of crude in the Asian nation's Okinawa Oil Base for emergency supplies to the region. Saudi Arabia is the only country with enough spare oil production capacity to compensate for any significant global supply disruptions.
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RajeshA wrote:
So why are the Americans prolonging the conflict? Is it only to keep Saudis and Turks hooked to American support?
May be because of this :
“As someone working with the intelligence community I knew that information and more information is going to come out regarding the Benghazi attack that will really leave people amazed and shocked how we have been… on how we are defending the country. People are going to be surprised.”


http://video.foxnews.com/v/215400822800 ... -of-drones
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nawabs wrote:Emerging Trends in West Asia: Regional and Global Implications
February 13-15, 2013
IDSA will Live Webcast the Conference on its website from February 13-15, 2013 from 1000 hours onwards.

Day One (13 Feb 2013)

Inaugural Session: Key Note Address by Hon’ble Raksha Mantri
Session I: Political Transformation in West Asia: Prospects for Peace, Stability and Prosperity
Session II: Future of Political Transformation in West Asia
Session III: West Asia’s Security Dynamics-I: Role of Extra-Regional Powers

Day Two (14 Feb 2013)

Special Address by Mr. Faleh Al Faid, National Security Advisor, Iraq (tbc)
Session IV: West Asia’s Security Dynamics-II: Role of Regional Powers
Session V: India and the Gulf
Session VI: Nuclear Issues in West Asia

Day Three (15 Feb 2013)

Special Address by Shri Shivshankar Menon, National Security Adviser, Government of India
Session VII: Roundtable on Role of Asia in Evolving Security Dynamics and Architecture of the Gulf Region
Session VIII: Panel Discussion on Way Ahead
For those of you interested in India and the West Asia as well as the regional situation - my source is presenting and some very influential individuals are presenting in the conference above - across the broad spectrum (Israel, Gulf and others).

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Exclusive: Barazani agreed to the proposal "in principle" but advised Syrians Kurds to wait & see what Arab opposition would offer
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Exclusive: According to a proposal from 3 parties Barazani will presides 2 governments one in #Iraq & one in #Syria with different PMs
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Exclusive: Kurdish National Council parties discussed last October in Erbil #Iraq the possibility of establishing Kurdistan #Syria

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Fresh off of airport victory, Syrian defectors to form first ‘air squadron’ http://t.co/gN1OYNqm via @JordanTimes

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IRGC-linked Fars News running their story on killed IRGC commander
In Lebanon: http://t.co/DG2YkviJ (Persian)
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shyamd wrote:Andhra to open doors for Saudi firms
While ambassador of Saudi Arabia to India Saud Mohammed Al Sati, who is here on a short visit, did not comment on whether a Saudi consulate would be set up in the city, sources in the government said talks were held towards that effect. Hyderabad could well be home to the second Saudi consulate after Mumbai.
Hyderabad already has Iranian Consulate in addition to US one. Hyderabadi Muslims can be the guinea pigs for Saudi and Iranian games.
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India will be proactive in securing interests in Middle East: Antony

http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsdetai ... tony-.html
New Delhi, Feb 13 (IANS) Defence Minister A. K. Antony Wednesday said India will be extremely tactful and proactive in safeguarding its strategic interests in Middle East, which in recent months has seen tumultuous changes."India can ill afford to remain aloof from the transformative changes in its immediate and extended neighborhood," Antony said, addressing the 15th Asian Security Conference organised by Indian Defence Studies and Analyses (IDSA) here.
He voiced deep concern over the ongoing violence in Syria and said the developments in the region had the potential of changing the regional and geopolitical landscape.
"The journey ahead is full of unexpected twists and turns. While the existing structures are changing, new ones have not yet been consolidated," he added.And as the region is critical to India's energy security and economic growth, "we have to be extremely tactful in safeguarding our interests while dealing with the problems".Two-thirds of India's oil imports come from the region and about 6.5 million Indians live and work there.Adding that India's trade with the region is expanding and during 2011-12 the trade with the Gulf Cooperation Council countries was more than $145 billion, he said that recent developments had complicated the security situation in the region.The minister voiced concern about the safety and security of Indians working in the region.In 2011, India evacuated nearly 19,000 Indians working in Libya.In 2012, India received $70 billion in remittances from foreign countries and a large portion of that came from the Gulf region. These remittances support nearly 40-50 million families in India and contribute to local prosperity.Antony pointed out that one could learn a few lessons from the Arab Spring, which he listed as follows: No government or regime can ignore the popular demands anymore; voice of the youths is universal and it echoes change; the process of transformation is far from complete; and the social media has emerged as a potent force.
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Obama will be in Gaza and israel in march
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[url=http://www.kforcegov.com/Services/IS/Ni ... 00043.aspx]14 Feb 2013]
Iran-Lebanon-Syria: A senior commander of Iran's Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, Brigadier General Hassan Shateri, was assassinated on Tuesday. Iranian state media reported only that he was killed outside Iran. Lebanese outlets reported he was killed in Syria, while heading back to Lebanon.

Iranian news reported that Major General Soleimani, the commander of the Quds Force of the Revolutionary Guard Corps visited Shateri's family to express his condolences.


Comment: This is the first Iranian general killed in Syria. An Iranian website and a spokesman for the Guard Corps, separately, accused supporters of Israel of the assassination. The Quds Force is the arm of the Revolutionary Guard Corps that operates outside Iran. Shateri supposedly was based in Lebanon to help "rebuild Lebanon," according to one web posting.

{West's hand?}

Mali: Special comment. Western news reporters have discovered in Timbuktu confidential guidance documents that the fleeing jihadists failed to destroy.

On the 13th The Telegraph reported that one of its reporters had discovered some confidential documents in the building used by the jihadists in Timbuktu as their command post. One was an account of a meeting in March 2012, but only the first page survived.

According to The Telegraph, the one page document confirmed that al Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb had decided to take command and control of all operations in the Sahara. The Telegraph reporter observed that al Qaida seemed to be very bureaucratic.

The Associated Press (AP) reported on 15 February that one of its reporters discovered ten pages of a longer guidance document in the same building. It was written by the emir of al Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), Abdelmalik Droukdel, as a critique of the northern Mali operations as of the middle of 2012. It also makes clear AQIM's long term strategic goals.

It states that the objective of the invasion was to develop Mali as a base, but to hide that goal by working with local dissident to make it appear that a local uprising was taking place. He berated the jihadists in Mali for alienating local groups, such as the Touaregs, and for moving too quickly in implementing Sharia, specifically the whipping of women, and erred in destroying ancient monuments in Timbuktu.

Droukdel also warned his lieutenants to expect military intervention that would dislodge the jihadists.
"The great powers with hegemony over the international situation, despite their weakness and their retreat caused by military exhaustion and the financial crisis, still have many cards to play that enable them to prevent the creation of an Islamic state in Azawad (northern Mali) ruled by the jihadis and Islamists."

"And so, it is very probable, perhaps certain, that a military intervention will occur, whether directly or indirectly, or that a complete economic, political and military blockade will be imposed along with multiple pressures, which in the end will either force us to retreat to our rear bases or will provoke the people against us ..."

"Taking into account this important factor, we must not go too far or take risks in our decisions or imagine that this project is a stable Islamic state."

Most importantly, Droukdel advised local AQIM leaders to make short term concessions and even withdraw in the face of intervention, but assures them that AQIM plans to operate in the region for the long term. The region includes Mali's neighbors.

{Ever present Takkiya mode}

The guidance is clear and sophisticated. The criticism of the jihadists who invaded northern Mali is stern - they botched the job, particularly cooperation with the Touaregs last May and the failure to cultivate support among the people in northern Mali. They moved too fast and put the entire operation in jeopardy, according to Droukdel.

The full AP account is worth reading for its insight into jihadist thinking, plans and operations. AQIM has opened a new front. It compares its strategy to that of the Taliban in Afghanistan in that it also is prepared to wait out the French and the African forces.


AQIM cannot beat the French, especially the French Air Force, but its forces seem much more organized and dedicated than the African soldiers who will fill in after the French combat forces depart.



AQIM is determined to spread through the region, but seems to fear most resistance and rejection by the local populations in the villages and towns, such as Timbuktu. That should prove advantageous to the established governments, but they have to overcome centuries of tribal and ethnic hostility to take advantage of it. Prospects are not good and AQIM is not leaving.
I dont think the French are leaving anytime soon. Its a direct threat to France.
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Yes the very short war that is both short and long - in French sort of way.
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@RawyaRageh: #Yemen's intelligence chief arrives in Cairo #Egypt

@AFP: Suicide attack kills senior Iraq intelligence officer: officials
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Wonder whats up...
Amir''s envoy forwards letter to Indian president
15/02/2013 | 03:26 PM | Kuwait News
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KUWAIT, Feb 15 (KUNA)-- His Highness the Amir Sheikh Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah's envoy, the Advisor at the Amiri Diwan Mohammad Abdullah Abul-Hasan, delivered on Friday a letter to the President of India Pranab Kumar Mukherjee.
The letter sheds light on promoting bilateral relations in various fields and latest developments on regional and international arenas.
The letter was received by External Affairs Minister Salman Kurshid
Kuwait favours an Asian Union
New Delhi,Business/Economy, Sat, 16 Feb 2013 IANS
New Delhi, Feb 16 (IANS) As the West reels under financial crisis, Kuwait and other Gulf nations have urged India to play an active and important role in transforming the Asian continent into an Asian Union.

Mohd Abdullah Abul Hasan, advisor to Emir of Kuwait Sheikh Sabah al-Ahmed Al Sabah, met Indian External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid Friday and held wide-ranging discussions on the developments in the Middle East as well as promoting cooperation between Asian nations.

Hasan described his talks with Khurshid as positive and said that India, an emerging economy and the largest democracy in the world, could take a lead in integrating the Asian region.

He said that Kuwait and other Arab nations are eager to transform the Asian continent into a union, to make the region better able to negotiate with the rest of the world, and contribute to peace and prosperity.

"Our purpose is to integrate various regional fora like SAARC (South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation), GCC (Gulf ooperation Council) and ASEAN (Association of South East Asian Nations) to usher in an era of peace in the region," Hasan said.

"India's response was very positive, and it has assured us that it will take steps in this direction," Hasan said, adding that this would be the right time for Asia to consolidate and enhance cooperation in various fields, especially trade and investment.

Kuwait recently held the first Asia Cooperation Dialogue (ACD) summit, which was attended by over 17 heads of state and government, including presidents of Afghanistan, Iran, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, and the prime minister of Pakistan.

Minister of State for External Affairs E. Ahamed had represented India at the two-day summit, at which Kuwait announced a 300-million dollar fund for socio-economic development of Asian nations.

Scores of Arab investors and financial companies who have incurred huge losses by investing in Western nations are now struggling to recoup, and shifting attention to Asia in view of the high growth rate in many Asian nations like India, China, Malaysia and Indonesia.
Now things to make more sense and source's visit to Delhi and presentation at iDSA
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The bungled operation in Somalia to rescue the french spy 'Denis Alex' was lead by the DGSE's (french external intel) Special action group only and not by the defence min's CoS (french army special forces). They actually took more casualties than they have publicly released - another 3 members are critical in addition to the 3 dead they announced.

The DGSE chief visited the homes of the dead personally.

So what happened? Plan was made quickly as soon as intel came of location of Denis. Plan was to get airdropped 9km away from the target site in the night and approach the target compound in a surprise attack. Unfortunately, they were spotted early en-route at some point and the shabaab were waiting for them. The forces were equipped with silencers on their rifles.

1 got shot in the courtyard and in the 3 hour gunbattle, his body was left behind. as casualties mounted, order was given to exfiltrate the SF troops out. Exfiltration was again led by the SAG's airwing.

Now there are calls to merge SAG and the COS(french SF) but no plans yet by hollande

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Mali op success depends on Algeria locking down its borders. AQIM still very much in-tact. Romanian intel service reckon that Belmokhtar was still with his men at the time they launched operation and they are using emissaries to communicate - no ability for TECHINT. (anyone wondering why romanian intel was there - several of the hostages were romanian).

AQIM still have a large number of vehicles and ZSU guns as well as men. They conducted a tactical withdrawal.
AQIM stockpiled lots of fuel - every drop of diesel, petrol was stock piled - taken from factories, houses and cars.

AQIM rear bases are in algeria - access to fuel etc are important for AQIM.

Algeria is saying border is hard to police - hence cameron's visit to give them drones etc to expand surveillance. We could see a TSP/Afg type situation.
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@Roshanakt: #France asks #India to help "convince" #Iran to do serious #nuclear negotiations http://t.co/EWlvfobE
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shyamd wrote:Obama will be in Gaza and israel in march
TWFIW Last time he was in Egypt after he was elected.
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Saudi King Abdullah Pays Blood Money For Indian Convict
By Arab News -- (February 18, 2013)



By Irfan Mohammed

Saudi Arabia’s Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah has paid blood money on behalf of an Indian driver convicted of killing nine people in a road accident in 2006. The driver, Saleem Basha, 45, has already been released from prison and is waiting to return to Bangalore, India.

Basha, who arrived in Saudi Arabia to work as a lorry driver for a brick-manufacturing unit in Wadi Al-Hajbal, near Khamis Mushait in 2004, wasted no time after his release in traveling to Makkah to perform Umrah and pray for King Abdullah. He made that trip yesterday.

On Feb. 11, 2006, the tractor-trailer Basha was driving collided with an oncoming minivan, killing eight Saudi women teachers and their Egyptian driver. Basha was found guilty of causing the accident and was ordered to pay SR 63,500 as diya (blood money) to the families of the victims. With a salary of only SR 1,200 a month, Basha was unable to come up with the sum and was sent to jail where he has spent the past seven years.

Indian community worker, Abha Ashraf Kuttichel, confirmed yesterday that Basha was released following payment of the diya.

“I met with Saleem in prison and came to learn about what happened to him,” Kuttichel said.

According to Basha, one afternoon, a prison official approached him and said that King Abdullah had paid the diya on his behalf.

“I had no hope that I would ever be released from prison, but generous King Abdullah made his humanitarian gesture, so I am able to walk free,” Basha said.

Basha said he had met the conditions for a pardon that authorities had laid out for drivers who caused accidents. Drivers can be eligible for a pardon as long as they meet three criteria: They do not flee the scene; they tell the truth; and there is no alcohol or other intoxicants involved. The conduct and character of drivers while in prison is also taken into account, according to Basha.

Basha also praised the Shariah judicial system and said judges do not examine jurisprudence only but also consider the circumstances. He said that the police, prosecution and judges were fair and even sympathetic to poor expatriates. He thanked the prison authorities and said they had helped him and other prisoners. Prison officials often brought him and other Asian inmates ingredients for their native dishes.

“I can’t forget the kindness of the prison employees who were sympathetic and assisted me in all possible ways,” Basha said.
Basha is ready to return to India, but there are the usual bureaucratic hoops to jump through.

His Iqama expired six years ago and his passport expired three years ago. He managed to travel to Jeddah where he approached the Indian Consulate to renew his passport.

Consulate officials yesterday confirmed that Basha had been released from prison and had applied for a new passport. The officials agreed to renew his passport for one year.

After renewing his passport, Basha learned that his original sponsor is now classified in the red category in the Nitaqat system of Saudization. The company cannot renew its employees’ Iqamas. Basha said he would turn to the governor of Abha for help.
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UAE gives a $2 billion investment boost to India
The United Arab Emirates (UAE) will invest $2 billion in India as part of a pioneering initiative that is fired by a vision that goes beyond bilateralism and explores joint opportunities in Asia and Africa as well.

The two countries on Monday established the India-UAE High Level Task Force on Investment — a vehicle that will channel investments covering a broad spectrum of areas ranging from infrastructural development to food security.

“The UAE has a sovereign wealth fund of $627 billion and India, an emerging global economy, offers an attractive destination for investments, especially after the economic downturn in the West,” said a diplomat who did not wish to be named.

During the first meeting of the task force headed by the visiting Union Minister of Industry and Textiles Anand Sharma, and Sheikh Hamed bin Zayed al Nahayan, Chairman of the Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Court, UAE pledged $2billion for the development of Indian infrastructure. The UAE and India will also work together for the development of the India’s Strategic Oil Reserve.

In a brief interaction with the media, Mr. Sharma said that a decision has been taken to form five high level sub committees that will cover the fields of infrastructure and energy, trade and investment, manufacturing and technology, and Information Technology and aviation.

India and UAE have also decided to work together in third world countries, including Africa, in energy and infrastructure sectors. Mr. Sharma stressed that India was looking at a relationship with the UAE that had joint forays in Asia and Africa in its sights. “The 21st century belongs to Asia and we look at our relationship in this broader framework,” said the minister during the course of a meeting organised on Sunday by Dubai-based Indian businessmen. Abu Dhabi could also take advantage of India’s deepening ties with East Asia, and the UAE’s geographic location presented opportunities for the two countries to work together in Africa.

"I am leading a strong delegation for the first meeting of the task force from India to take the cooperation to a new level," said Mr. Sharma.

Official sources said that India is looking for UAE’s investments in the National Investment and Manufacturing Zones (NIMZ) and the Delhi Mumbai Industrial Corridor. The Indian side is also keen that the Oil and Natural Gas Corporation (Videsh) is pre-qualified to bid later this year for the Abu Dhabi onshore oil fields.

Mr. Sharma said India was determined to once again record a growth rate of 9 per cent, and later pitch for double digit growth for at least two and a half decades.

Officials said that UAE has expressed its concerns about the status of its investments in India by the telecom giant Etisalat, and the realty firm Emmar. Referring to the concerns raised by the UAE government, Mr. Sharma said that a decision has been taken to set up a committee that will address all outstanding issues within the framework of Indian law.
Britain could ramp up scale of security to Syria rebels
Britain could dramatically widen the scale of its security support for the Syrian rebels, William Hague has said despite failing to scrap the EU arms embargo at talks in Brussels.
The European Union gave the green light to Whitehall plans to send “security and civilian-military” trainers to assist Syrian rebels.
The decision followed a battle between William Hague and Baroness Ashton at a meeting of European foreign ministers over a British call to lift current EU sanctions that prevent any form of military support to Syria’s besieged rebels.
Following opposition to lifting the arms embargo, from Germany, Sweden and over 20 other countries, the Foreign Secretary hailed a compromise amending EU sanctions to allow “technical assistance for the protection of civilians” as a breakthrough.
“It is important because it shows that we can change the arms embargo and the worse the situation becomes the more we can change,” he said.
“It allows is to supply a greater range of equipment to protect civilian life in Syria. It also enables us to give assistance and advice that we’ve been restricted in giving before. We would have gone further, many nations would have made no amendment at all. This is a compromise.”

Government sources told The Daily Telegraph that over the coming days and weeks that Britain would announce “advice and training” for Syria’s national rebel coalition including “maintenance of security in areas no longer held by regime, planning now for security sector reform in a transition and civ-mil relations” within the opposition.
“We will certainly use the full leeway provided by this amendment to the embargo in order to provide greater assistance,” said Mr Hague. “We and other governments will make further announcements about this in due course.”
Other European diplomats played down the decision. “We fiddled with the words to make the British happy, nothing has changed,” said a European diplomat.
The loosening of sanctions followed a row between an isolated Britain, which only had support from France and Italy and Lady Ashton’s EU foreign service which warned that arming the rebels was illegal, could fuel Islamist extremism and destabilise the region.
“Attempts to change the scope of the arms embargo or lifting it completely would raise serious difficulties from a legal and practical point of view,” said a confidential options paper.
“It could also fuel further militarisation of the conflict, increase risks of dissemination among extremist groups and of arms proliferation in a post-Assad Syria. It could trigger an escalation in arms supplies and further involvement in the conflict by external supporters of the Assad regime.”
The International Criminal Court should be called in to investigate and prosecute the perpetrators of war crimes in Syria, former UN prosecutor Carla del Ponte said on Monday.
The referral to the ICC has to be made by the UN Security Council. The body has been in gridlock over Syria, mostly caused by the opposing views of Western governments and Russia, a longstanding ally of President Bashar al Assad.
“It’s time to react. After two years, it’s incredible that the Security Council hasn’t made a decision,” said Mrs del Ponte, a member of a UN-mandated commission of inquiry on the Syria conflict. “Justice must be imminent, urgent. The number of victims is increasing day to day. Justice must be done.”
Her comments came as the commission released a report that accused both the Syrian government and rebel fighters of committing war crimes, but that the “intensity and scale” of the atrocities was larger on the side of the regime.
The report, which comprises hundreds of interviews conducted over six months, documents a litany of grim and brutal acts: indiscriminate shelling, air strikes on civilian centres, and extra-judicial killings. These were the death knells for some of the victims of the war that has almost claimed 70,000 lives.
As his forces fought pitched battles in most of the country’s urban centres on Monday, a defiant President Assad vowed that his government would “win” against insurgents.
In comments published in Lebanon’s pro-Damascus newspaper As-Safir the Syrian President was quoted as reassuring a visiting Lebanese politician with the phrase: “We are sure we will win, we are reassured by the political and military developments.”
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"Money money/ brighter than sunshine/sweeter than honey/turning boots into chocolate/oh so lickable." When was the last time we heard anything about the kindnesses flowing in Bahrain and Yemen? The absence of news for those quarters, even the news of the daily progress of the Syrian rebels against Assad - makes us wonder.

Is there a real necessity to help on the propaganda as to how good "shariah" law is - on our forum? Is "inveztment" powerful enough to buy our souls?
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Here is some from the "other side" the shi-ite:
http://www.shiitenews.com/index.php/pak ... udi-arabia
THE SAUDI CONNECTION
In the Punjab town of Jhang, LeJ's birthplace, SSP leader Maulana Mohammad Ahmed Ludhianvi describes what he says are Tehran's grand designs. Iranian consular offices and cultural centers, he alleges, are actually a front for its intelligence agencies.

The Iranian embassy in Islamabad, asked for a response to that allegation, issued a statement denouncing sectarian violence. "What is happening today in the name of sectarianism has nothing to do with Muslims and their ideologies," it said. Ludhianvi insisted he was just a politician. "I would like to tell you that I am not a murderer, I am not a killer, I am not a terrorist. We are a political party." After a meal of chicken, curry and spinach, Ludhianvi and his aides stood up to warmly welcome a visitor: Saudi Arabia-based cleric Malik Abdul Haq al-Meqqi.

A Pakistani cleric knowledgeable about Sunni groups described Meqqi as a middleman between Saudi donors and intelligence agencies and the LeJ, the SSP and other groups.

"Of course, Saudi Arabia supports these groups. They want to keep Iranian influence in check in Pakistan, so they pay," the Pakistani cleric said. His account squared with that of a Pakistani intelligence agent, who said jailed militants had confessed that LeJ received Saudi funding. Saudi cleric Meqqi denied that, and SSP leader Ludhianvi concurred: "We have not taken a penny from the Saudi government," he told Reuters.

Saudi Arabia's alleged financing of Sunni militant groups has been a sore point in Washington. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned in a December 2009 classified diplomatic cable that charities and donors in Saudi Arabia were the "most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide." In the cable, released by Wikileaks, Clinton said it was "an ongoing challenge" to persuade Saudi officials to treat such activity as a strategic priority. She said the groups funded included al-Qaeda, the Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba.

The Saudi embassy in Islamabad and officials in Saudi Arabia were unavailable for comment.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/ ... RP20130124
(Reuters) - France said on Thursday there were no signs that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is about to be overthrown, something Paris has been saying for months was just over the horizon.

The uprising against Assad's rule is now almost two years old. 60,000 Syrians have been killed and another 650,000 are now refugees abroad, according to the United Nations.

France, a former colonial ruler of Syria, has been one of the most vocal backers of the rebels trying to topple Assad and was the first to recognize the opposition coalition.

"Things are not moving. The solution that we had hoped for, and by that I mean the fall of Bashar and the arrival of the (opposition) coalition to power, has not happened," Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said in his annual New Year's address to the press.
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Syrian rebels clash with Kurds in northeast: activists Jan 22, 2013
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/ ... DJ20130122
Reuters) - At least 56 people have been killed in a week of fighting in northeast Syria between anti-government rebels and members of the long-oppressed Kurdish minority who have seized on the civil war to try to secure self-rule, activists said on Tuesday.

The British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which collates reports on Syria's violence from local activists, said on Tuesday that the anti-Damascus rebels were using tanks and mortars on Tuesday against Kurdish forces.

In a separate incident, it said at least 42 people including women and children had been killed when a car bomb targeting a pro-government militia went off on Monday evening in the town of Salamiyah, east of the central city of Hama.

With Arab rebels entangling government forces to the west and south, the Kurds, who make up around 10 percent of the population, have exploited the vacuum to set up the Kurdish schools and cultural centers long denied them under Baath party rule, as well as police and armed militias.

But they have remained at arm's length from the increasingly Islamist-dominated mostly Sunni Arab rebels, fearing that these would not honor the autonomy aspirations of a region that holds a significant part of Syria's estimated 2.5 billion barrels of crude oil reserves.

On Tuesday, fighters of the Kurdish People's Defence Units clashed with several rebel groups in the city of Ras al-Ain in Syria's northern Hasaka province, the Observatory said.

"The clashes erupted (last) Wednesday ... and (have) resulted in the deaths of at least 56 fighters," the group said.
Syrian opposition leaders fail to form government Jan 21, 2013.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/ ... M320130121
Syrian opposition leaders said on Monday they had failed to put together a transitional government to run rebel-held areas of the country, a blow to the exiled group trying to present an alternative to President Bashar al-Assad's rule.

Political efforts to resolve the conflict have largely faltered because of the rebels' failure to form a unified front and because world powers are backing opposing sides.

Talks held by representatives of the opposition Syrian National Coalition (SNC), a 70-member umbrella group dominated by Islamists and their allies, in Istanbul at the weekend only highlighted divisions in the coalition.

"This is a big blow for the revolution against Bashar al-Assad," said one opposition leader who attended the meeting but did not want to be named because he operates in secret in Syria.
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I take objection to this type of nonsensical islamophile feel good posts and request moderators to advise the poster to desist from such posts.

This news item has nothing to do with this thread.

I would like to argue that the Saudi king is obligated to let this driver go per his Islamic laws if he want to enjoy his 72.

First of all the truck driver is a Muslim man which makes him much valuable than women. I wonder if the women died in the minivan are related to the Egyptian driver or not. If they are not then it is against Saudi laws to go out with non-family member. We also know that sharia puts men about women. We also know sharia doesn't mention the existence of brick trucks and minivans.

That is why the fearful King of KSA helped this man even without any mercy petitions or lobbying.

For all above Islamic reasons this is a nonsensical post.

This is the proof to my reasoning -

Saudi preacher gets off light for raping, killing daughter

To protect baby girls from being sexually exploited, the Saudi cleric, Sheikh Abdullah Daoud, has called parents to make their female children wear the Islamic headscarf.
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Bji...

The French govt doesn't know the sources. That is why they were wrong before and now. Syrian govt is falling on Feb 23rd 4:32 PM in Bangalore, Kerala per the sources.
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X-post to put things in proper prespective.

Role of Bandar in Kargil and before....
Jhujar wrote:http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9 ... -of-Kargil
The unsung hero of Kargil ( Paki perspective)
The prime minister’s arrival in Washington was shrouded in mystery. The first reports of the visit came to the Pakistan Embassy not from our foreign office but the State Department. Everyone was caught unawares. Hurried meetings were called, confidential internal memos dug up, and briefs developed to be able to lay down all the necessary ground work for the emergency high-octane meeting. Nawaz Sharif arrived on July 3 at Andrews Airbase and was received by Prince Bandar Bin Sultan, the Saudi Ambassador to the US, and then taken for intense briefings.By the time Nawaz Sharif touched down in Washington to defuse the situation, the entire world had descended on us in the Pakistan Embassy with Pakistan being criticised heavily, both in the print and the electronic media. In this backdrop, Nawaz Sharif battled his way up – pleading with the world to give diplomacy a chance.Saudi intervention on Nawaz Sharif’s SOS call made this possible. And the man who could work this miracle was Prince Bandar Bin Sultan.He staunchly supported the idea of forging close relations with Pakistan and China and believed that Pakistan was under-utilising its potential. He once asked former interim Prime Minister Moeen Qureshi: “I don’t understand why Pakistan is always afraid of Indian chicken”. He made China deliver intermediate range nuclear-warhead capable missiles despite strong opposition from CIA and the Department of State. During the Iran-Contra scandal, he bankrolled the whole affair.

Sharif never doubted a military take over. While the agreement was being documented, his anxiety was also mounting: “They will get me Mr President,” he whispered. Clinton quipped: “Yours is a rogue army. Keep them under civilian oversight”. Nawaz retorted: “It is not the army. It is (a) few dirty eggs. They will meddle to cover up the Kargil debacle”. And three months later, the military struck. The coup was inevitable. The ‘Dirty Four’ were afraid of a Kargil investigation and a possible court martial. Washington accepted it as a ‘fait accompli’.Gen Musharraf had the last laugh. In order to stay in power he hacked everything – faked the referendum, rigged the elections, pushed us into a war we never deserved, destroyed district administrations, packed the superior judiciary with cronies and finally left behind an NRO-tainted accidental leadership. Nawaz Sharif arranged an honourable exit from Kargil but missed the gallows by inches. Gen Shahid Aziz deserves respect for telling the truth – which is always in short supply in our country. If we still have a few good men in the army, they just need to wake up and come out with the truth.
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So KSA was behind getting US escape route for Pakis.

Another aspect is Saudi interest in China. Looks like KSA/GCC wants to build Asian oil/gas pipeline network. For that Iran has to go away or has to be disintegrated. Afghanistan, Pakistan, PoK etc all are part of this.

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P.S: So difficult to find a right map that show India for what it is.

If India wants to have a future, it has to get PoK back, one way or the other.
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Who just started arming Syria rebels?

The Council of the European Union renewed its arms embargo on Syria this week by another three months, with the slight amendment to allow for “greater non-lethal support and technical assistance for the protection of civilians.” The council further affirmed that it would “actively continue the work underway to assess and review, if necessary, the sanctions regime against Syria in order to support and help the opposition.”

This decision, seen as a compromise between EU members that are solidly against direct military involvement in Syria and those that are ambiguously in favor of it (chiefly Britain), was, like all decisions taken at the supranational level, several months out of date and risibly insufficient. But an added element of pathos in this re-upping of status quo policy can be found in a remarkable new development: Syria’s rebels are now receiving better and more copious arms from some outside actor. Moreover, the way in which those arms are being distributed, as well as to whom, strongly hints that some Western actors are finally acceding to a military option for a conflict that never had a chance for a diplomatic or political breakthrough.

In one of the most strangely neglected stories in the two-year Syria conflict, beginning on January 1, four new weapon models began appearing in large quantities in Daraa province, none used at any time by the Syrian military. The M60 recoilless gun, the M79 Osa rocket launcher, the RPG-22 rocket launcher and the Milkor MGL/RBG-6 grenade launcher hadn’t been shown in any opposition videos until the new year. Every device was used in a massive joint rebel operation against Busr al-Harir, a town previously safely in regime hands to the northeast of Daraa city. Several tanks and BMPs (armored personnel carriers) were destroyed in the ensuing battle and, as Syria analyst James Miller of EA Worldview told me, what distinguished this rebel sortie from others was that “the fighters didn’t seem concerned about preserving the ammunition for these weapons.” Rebels tend to horde the bullets of their Kalashnikovs, so the fact that they’d promiscuously expend the ammo of more powerful and newer-made arms is noteworthy. And there was another major oddity: Unlike most recent attacks against regime installations, the Busr al-Harir fight was waged mainly by secular or moderate units of the Free Syrian Army, with the normally ever-present Jabhat al-Nusra, the US-blacklisted Syrian branch of al-Qaeda in Iraq, conspicuously absent.

Busr al-Harir was by no means a one-off. Rebels continued to penetrate the southern province where the anti-regime protest movement took off in earnest in March 2011. More tanks and BMPs have gone up in flames in Zeizun, northwest of Daraa city, and others have been captured by the FSA. Rebels are approaching the city from the east and north, though also hitting within its limits from the south. On Valentine’s Day, they laid siege to El Sahoah, east of the city, eliminating an entire military convoy and sacking an air base and making off with at least one BMP. Four days later, they captured a checkpoint on Dam Road, affording them a new southeastern point of ingress into Daraa city. If this provincial capital were to be ring-fenced or taken by the opposition, Miller writes, it’d mark a significant setback for the regime because it would allow the rebels a direct supply line from Jordan straight into Damascus, where rebel operations are also taking place in the outlying suburbs and in the capital itself.

From Daraa, these munitions began popping up in other provinces. According to Eliot Higgins, who blogs obsessively about Syrian warfare as “Brown Moses” and who first uncovered the new hardware in Syria, the RPG-22 and M60 have since turned up in Idlib; the RPG-22, M79 and RBG-6 in Hama; the RPG-22 and M79 in Aleppo; and all four have appeared in Damascus. In an email, Higgins said that markings from M79 rocket pods suggest a manufacture date of 1990-1991, although the rocket launcher itself was first manufactured in 1979. Yet clearly this is still an improvement on the more commonly used RPG-7.

In one video, rebels demonstrate how the M79 works to a relevant figure: Colonel Abdul-Jabbar Mohammed Ogaidi, the FSA representative of the Northern Front of the Supreme Military Council. He also, intriguingly, serves on the Front’s Armament Committee. (Ogaidi was a main point man for Future Movement MP Okab Sakr, who previously ran consignments of light weapons into Syria.)

Higgins further happened upon a revealing training video showing the al-Farouq Brigade giving a lesson in how to handle some of this Balkan hardware to the Dawn of Islam Brigade. This exercise was coordinated under the auspices of the Free Damascenes Movement, a newish coalition of rebels seeking to unify all Islamic units in the insurgency under one heading, excepting (again) Jabhat al-Nusra. “That process,” Miller wrote in a blog post on EA Worldview, “appears to have started in late November and came to fruition in late December, approximately the same time we started to see the surge in foreign arms. This effort appears to have started in the south, in Daraa Province, with the eventual goal of liberating Damascus.” Both Miller and Higgins suspect that Jordan and Turkey are the entry points for the new weapons, given their proliferation in the north and south of Syria.

That sophisticated anti-tank and anti-infantry munitions are now being funneled exclusively to non-extremist rebel units, who themselves are committed to isolating al-Qaeda, suggests either a staggering coincidence or some degree of external facilitation. Now here’s another interesting fact. The M60, the M79, the RBG-6 and the RPG-22 are all currently in use by the Croatian Army.

Croatia, which, along with a host of European and Middle Eastern powers, recognized the Syrian National Coalition as the sole legitimate representative of the Syrian people, is not yet a member state of the European Union (it is set to accede in July of this year) and so, technically, it is not beholden to the EU arms embargo. It is, however, a member of the Friends of Syria umbrella group: Croatian Foreign Minister Vesna Pusić attended the second conference in Istanbul in 2012, and she’s previously expressed concern about Croatia’s oil and gas fields, which sanctions and deteriorating security have rendered useless. (About a year ago, Croatia instructed all of its businesses to withdraw from Syria, an act that left INA, the national oil company, operating at a loss of “hundreds of millions of euros.”) A pro-EU Balkan state not yet subject to EU jurisdiction would also have a nice geopolitical motive to help undermine a proxy of Russia.

But even assuming that Zagreb isn’t directly or indirectly supplying these arms to Syria, might a hitherto unknown arms dealer – Croatian or otherwise, state or non-state – now be working directly with a regional intermediary who is supplying them? If so, how is it that this arms dealer has managed to negotiate relatively smooth supply routes through both Jordan and Turkey?

One plausible scenario would be that these weapons were all coming from Libya, which was one of the initial arms-runners to the Syrian opposition. The former Yugoslavia, which manufactured the M60 and M79, formerly enjoyed warm ties with Muammar Qaddafi, as did Croatia prior to the Libyan revolt and subsequent NATO intervention (former Croatian President Stipe Mesić seemed to want those ties to continue regardless).

So it is possible that the M60s, M79s, RPG-22s and RBG-6s were all sold to Libya a long time ago and were only just emptied from warehouses by the National Transition Council for urgent use in another country – although this then raises the question of why it took the new Libyan government a year to send the heavy-duty materiel to the Syrians when it previously trafficked in only light arms and ammunition. Nor does this explain why the NTC suddenly decided to empower the moderates over the jihadists in a highly organized fashion that, superficially, accords with Western preconditions for supporting the armed opposition.

Over the course of the last few days, I’ve tried repeatedly, by phone and email, to query both the press officer and military advisor at the Croatian mission in New York to see if they might account for the provenance of four weapon models that, taken together, are exclusive to their country’s arsenal. I received no reply.

One Washington-based source close to the Syrian rebels suggested that Croatia “might be involved” but thought the Libya clearinghouse theory was more persuasive, particularly as new stockpiles of Libyan weapons have been appearing and disappearing from Mali. That said, the source believes that classroom training seminars bespeak “total formalization,” and because “the people getting these weapons are not Salafis or Nusra, that suggests a Western power” orchestrating or overseeing the entire effort.

In its reports on the EU arms embargo renewal, the Washington Post cited diplomats in Brussels and London who alleged that Whitehall was indeed intent on arming vetted and responsible rebels. While British Foreign Secretary William Hague denied such claims, saying his government merely wanted to “give assistance and advice that we’d been restricted in giving before,” he nevertheless left the door open a crack for further action. “We would have gone further,” Hague said.

From the looks of it, someone already has.
Hezbollah announces alert amid its members ranks, media reports say
Hezbollah has announced that its ranks are now on full alert in eight overlapping Lebanese-Syrian border towns following an attack that was carried out by Syria’s Al-Nusra Front against a Hezbollah patrol.

“Hezbollah had reached an agreement with the Free Syrian Army by means of direct talks to keep these towns away from the ongoing conflict in Syria,” Lebanese sources told Turkish Anadolu news agency on Wednesday.

The sources also said that “thirteen Al-Nusra Front members attacked a Hezbollah patrol in the Lebanese southern town of Zeeta which led to the death of three of the Shiite group’s members.”

“Hezbollah had previously placed a number of cannons and missiles in [Syria’s southern] towns, these armaments have been there since before the uprising began in Syria,” they added.

Earlier Wednesday, an FSA official in Homs called on residents of two predominantly Sunni Lebanese towns to “threaten and impede” Hezbollah's alleged military activities in Syria's Homs province.

The FSA on Tuesday also released a statement giving Hezbollah 48 hours to cease attacks in Syria before it “retaliates” in Lebanon.

Further allegations of Hezbollah being actively involved in the Syrian crisis came from another FSA official who on Tuesday told NOW that Hezbollah will carry out additional military operations within Syria over the course of the next few upcoming days.

A Free Syrian Army spokesperson on Sunday told NOW that Hezbollah had been shelling several Syrian areas in an effort to force back the rebels, and claimed the Shiite party was now stationed in at least five Syrian towns.

The Syrian crisis has split Lebanon’s political scene between pro-Syrian regime parties affiliated with the March 8 alliance – spearheaded by Hezbollah – and parties associated with the March 14 coalition who are backing the rebels.
http://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.in ... ia_map.pdf

Conflict map showing rebel, army, kurdish, contested areas as at 14th Jan 2013
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Croatia also had a non-European connection in the run up to the split - KSA. Saudi "charities" funded the various Islamist factions in Kosovo-Bosnia-Croatia through Somalia based outlets and a certain now-defunct Saudi-connected "bank". In fact the arms and weapons exist in the belt between Libya-Mali-Somalia, so no problem in activating any one of the sources in sub-Saharan Africa.

Claimed complete absence of "Salafists" or AQ is all the more suspicious, which simply may mean a deliberate attempt to get the move accepted by the "west", and not necessarily any "overseeing" by any "western power".
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This article was posted in the Kargil thread. Posting here since it mentions some interesting nuggets about Bandar bin Sultan. Article is from a paki newspaper

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http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9-160979-The-unsung-hero-of-Kargil
Prince Bandar was the face of Saudi monarchy in Washington for 22 years, rubbing shoulders with five US presidents and ten secretaries of state. An inveterate networker, he was an ultimate Washington insider who could walk into the White House whenever he wished. His influence was so extensive that he was able to acquire AWACS surveillance aircraft for his country, despite bitter opposition from the Israeli lobby.

He staunchly supported the idea of forging close relations with Pakistan and China and believed that Pakistan was under-utilising its potential. He once asked former interim Prime Minister Moeen Qureshi: “I don’t understand why Pakistan is always afraid of Indian chicken”. He made China deliver intermediate range nuclear-warhead capable missiles despite strong opposition from CIA and the Department of State. During the Iran-Contra scandal, he bankrolled the whole affair.
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After reading Baandar's opinion, the very first thing which flashed in front my eyes was the MMS sitting in chair getting award from Saudi King in Riyadh. I disliked the expression on King's face as well on MMS 's Mukhra. For rest , its better to be Chupp on how these very forces now have free access to the highest offcie and power centre in Delhi. The unpardonable sin of bringing Dhimminess to India have been committed by the current cabal at centre.
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Nachiket, this should be posted in the Pakistan Military and Pakistan thread. Proves BRF right that it was green paint.
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Female Syrian refugees in Turkey being sold to Arab states: Turkish politician
The deputy chairman of the Turkish opposition Republican People's Party, Faruq Logoglu, says female Syrian refugees in Turkish camps are being sold to rich sheikhs in Arab countries.

Addressing the parliament on Tuesday, the Turkish official criticized the violation of human rights in the refugee camps in Turkey, saying women and girls are being sent to neighboring rich Arab states in exchange for money, Turkish Taraf daily reported on Tuesday.
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Beeratherhood of No Good
The new fateful triangle: Saudi Arabia, US and Israel
Today, we witness a new alliance on the horizon being forged in the global politics to challenge or undo Iran's nuclear program. Saudi Arabia, United States and Israel have created an alliance to bomb Iran. These strange political bed-fellows may be termed as the new 'Fateful Triangle', which may ultimately catalyze the stage for Armageddon.The clarion call by the Saudis to bomb Iran is sending shockwaves throughout the Muslim world. It is also strange to accept the Israeli stance on their nuclear policy. Israel says that it has the right to own hundreds of nuclear bombs, but other regional governments in the Middle East are not entitled to even enriching uranium. According to Wikileaks, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has repeatedly asked the US to destroy Iran's nuclear capability. He has also garnered support from Gulf monarchs of Bahrain and Abu Dhabi to teach Iran a lesson on their nuclear program.
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Jhujar wrote:Beeratherhood of No Good
The new fateful triangle: Saudi Arabia, US and Israel
Today, we witness a new alliance on the horizon being forged in the global politics to challenge or undo Iran's nuclear program. Saudi Arabia, United States and Israel have created an alliance to bomb Iran. These strange political bed-fellows may be termed as the new 'Fateful Triangle', which may ultimately catalyze the stage for Armageddon.The clarion call by the Saudis to bomb Iran is sending shockwaves throughout the Muslim world. It is also strange to accept the Israeli stance on their nuclear policy. Israel says that it has the right to own hundreds of nuclear bombs, but other regional governments in the Middle East are not entitled to even enriching uranium. According to Wikileaks, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has repeatedly asked the US to destroy Iran's nuclear capability. He has also garnered support from Gulf monarchs of Bahrain and Abu Dhabi to teach Iran a lesson on their nuclear program.
There is nothing "new" about this.
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Shia's hate the Sunnis hate the Jews hate the Christians since time immemorial.

Seems like "love thy neighbour is a rarity" Even the US and Canad have resentment and issues. Let alone UK/ France; France Germany and so on.
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In Syria, new influx of weapons to rebels tilts the battle against Assad
By Liz Sly and Karen DeYoung, Sunday, February 24, 1:24 AM

ANTAKYA, Turkey — A surge of rebel advances in Syria is being fueled at least in part by an influx of heavy weaponry in a renewed effort by outside powers to arm moderates in the Free Syrian Army, according to Arab and rebel officials.

The new armaments, including anti-tank weapons and recoilless rifles, have been sent across the Jordanian border into the province of Daraa in recent weeks to counter the growing influence of Islamist extremist groups in the north of Syria by boosting more moderate groups fighting in the south, the officials say.

The arms are the first heavy weapons known to have been supplied by outside powers to the rebels battling to topple President Bashar al-Assad and his family’s four-decade-old regime since the Syrian uprising began two years ago.

The officials declined to identify the source of the newly provided weapons, but they noted that the countries most closely involved in supporting the rebels’ campaign to oust Assad have grown increasingly alarmed at the soaring influence of Islamists over the fragmented rebel movement. They include the United States and its major European allies, along with Turkey and the United Arab Emirates, and Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the two countries most directly involved in supplying the rebels. Security officials from those nations have formed a security coordination committee that consults regularly on events in Syria, they said.

Although the Obama administration continues to refuse to directly arm the rebels, the administration has provided intelligence assistance to those who are involved in the supplies, and it also helps vet opposition forces. U.S. officials declined to comment on the new armaments.

The goal of these renewed deliveries, Arab and rebel officials said, is to reverse the unintended effect of an effort last summer to supply small arms and ammunition to rebel forces in the north, which was halted after it became clear that radical Islamists were emerging as the chief beneficiaries.

“The idea was to get heavier stuff, intensify supply and make sure it goes to the good guys,” said an Arab official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the operation. “If you want to weaken al-Nusra, you do it not by withholding [weapons] but by boosting the other groups.”

Louay al-Mokdad, the political and media coordinator for the Free Syrian Army, confirmed that the rebels have procured new weapons donated from outside Syria, rather than bought on the black market or seized during the capture of government facilities, the source of the vast majority of the arms that are in the hands of the rebels. But he declined to say who was behind the effort.

Another coordinator for the Free Syrian Army, whose units have received small quantities of donated weaponry in the past two weeks, said that as much as empowering moderates, the goal of the supplies also is to shift the focus of the war away from the north toward the south and the capital, Assad’s stronghold. Nearly 70,000 people have been killed so far in the conflict, which has thus far frustrated all attempts by the international community to broker a diplomatic settlement.

The shift was prompted by the realization that rebel gains across the north of the country over the past year were posing no major threat to the regime in Damascus, said Saleh al-Hamwi, who coordinates the activities of rebel units in the province of Hama with others around the country. But the province of Daraa controls a major route to the capital and is far closer.

“Daraa and Damascus are the key fronts on the revolution, and Damascus is where it is going to end,” he said.

Such is the secrecy surrounding the effort, however, that even those receiving the weapons can’t say with certainty who is supplying them, he said, though it is widely assumed that they are being provided by Saudi Arabia, with the support of its Arab, U.S. and European allies.

“All we can say for sure is that there are some new weapons coming across the border in the south, they are coming with high secrecy and they’re only going to groups that they want,” he said.

The Jordanian government denied any role. There has, however, been a rise in the smuggling of small arms, mostly automatic rifles, across Jordan’s border with Syria, and “Jordan is actively trying to prevent this rise in smuggling,” government spokesman Samih Maytah said.

The snowball effect

Despite the secrecy however, the influx was publicized this month by Eliot Higgins, a British blogger who uses the name Brown Moses and who tracks rebel activity by watching videos rebel units post on YouTube.

In a series of blogs, he noted the appearance in rebel hands of new weapons that almost certainly could not have been captured from government arsenals. They include M-79 anti-tank weapons and M-60 recoilless rifles dating back to the existence of Yugoslavia in the 1980s that the Syrian government does not possess.

He also noted that most of the recipients of the arms appear to be secular or moderate Islamist units of the Free Syrian Army. In a sign of how organized the effort is, he said, one of the recent videos shows members of the local Fajr al-Islam brigade teaching other rebels how to use some of the new weapons.

The items appear to have already begun influencing the course of the war, he said. They have contributed to a sharp escalation of fighting in the Daraa area this year in which opposition fighters have overrun government bases, including several checkpoints along the Jordanian border, a key but long-neglected front.

That, in turn, has enabled the rebels armed with the new equipment to seize weapons and ammunition from captured government facilities, giving them clout over other small groups, mimicking the pattern observed in northern Syria, where the ascendancy of Islamist extremists has snowballed into soaring influence as their military victories mount.

“It's like what happened with the jihadi groups in Aleppo when they started capturing all these bases and getting the best gear,” he said. “You could call it the Aleppo-ization of Daraa.”

The M-79 anti-tank weapons in particular appear to be giving the rebels new confidence to attack government positions and armor, said Jeff White of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, who says he also noted the unexpected appearance of the weapons in rebel videos several weeks ago.

“This isn’t a silver bullet that’s going to dramatically shift the equation, but it’s allowing them to inflict more damage on regime forces, and it’s allowing them to have more successes,” he said. “They’re the right kind of weapons, and they’re what the rebels have been asking for.”

To what effect?

It seems unlikely, however, that the influx will be enough to decisively influence the outcome of a raging battle that continues to embrace a broad spectrum of tactics and weaponry, from suicide bombs to Scud missiles, experts say.

Though there have been scattered sightings of the new weapons in other parts of the country, including Aleppo as well as Idlib and Deir al-Zour, in those provinces the battle is primarily being fueled by the significant quantities of weapons that the rebels are capturing from government forces, said Joseph Holliday of the Institute for the Study of War.

The rebels have also been asking for anti-aircraft missiles to counter the government’s use of airpower against their strongholds. But there has been no indication that they are acquiring those in significant quantities outside the few they have captured from government bases, White said.

Hamwi said he suspects the real aim of the international effort is to provide the rebels with just enough firepower to pressure Assad into accepting a negotiated settlement but not enough to enable them to overthrow him. “The international community is using us to put pressure on Bashar,” he said.

Although plans for an offensive on Damascus are being readied, the rebels still lack sufficient firepower to take on government forces there, said Mokdad of the Free Syrian Army. “Even if we are getting weapons, it is not enough,” he said.



Taylor Luck in Amman contributed to this report.
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shyamd wrote:
ANTAKYA, Turkey — A surge of rebel advances in Syria is being fueled at least in part by an influx of heavy weaponry in a renewed effort by outside powers to arm moderates in the Free Syrian Army, according to Arab and rebel officials.

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this is pure propaganda from Western/GCC backed media. It's like saying Muslim Brotherhood is moderate because Hosni Mubarak had no support from west in his last days :lol:

oh by the way, if any person in Syria is so called "moderate" then he is Bashar Al Assad, not Allah-u-Akabar shouting FSA. :roll:

having lived in Qatar for 10 years & interacting with Syrian, lebanese christians at work, I can say with confidence that not a single person I have come across has anything good to say about western backed FSA.

and please can we have news from some neutral sources, this West Asia thread is turning into another GCC approved newspaper.
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^Then go ahead and post some. The best thing that can happen is a stalemate and continued proxy war by Russia and the West.
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Part of a general trend in the region in recent years - post Iraq invasion.
From the names mentioned in the articles (Fatima, Zahra, etc.) , they seem to be mainly Shi'a.

2007: '50,000 Iraqi refugees' forced into prostitution (in Syria)
To judge from the cars parked outside, the clients come from all over the Gulf region - many are young Saudi men escaping from an even more conservative moral climate. But the Syrian friend who has brought me here tells me that 95 per cent of the girls are Iraqi.
2007: Desperate Iraqi Refugees Turn to Sex Trade in Syria

2010: In Syria, Iraqi Refugee Daughters Risk Being Sold

2010: Iraqi Women Forced into Sexual Slavery
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so the sexual enslavement meme is alive and well. if we had a real media, these things would be openly talked of. Islam's hallmark of enslaving the conquered still continues.
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Carl ji - marriages being arranged for sunni;s - sunni syrian women turning up for marriages in Jordan (jordanians complaining that when they marry them they have to support the entire families), also in Egypt as well. Not to mention the Gulf as well.
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shyamd wrote:Carl ji - marriages being arranged for sunni;s - sunni syrian women turning up for marriages in Jordan (jordanians complaining that when they marry them they have to support the entire families), also in Egypt as well. Not to mention the Gulf as well.
shyamd ji, very interesting. But are you sure all the women turning up are "sunni syrians" and not Shia also? Or are the Shi'a women being traded as slaves or as part of the flesh trade?
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I am not saying all - that is impossible to verify. But I know that many syrian sunni women are getting their marriages arranged in egypt, jordan etc via catalogues or what not. In fact I havent heard of the syrian shia women being sold as "slaves" until you mentioned it.
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