Hyderabad Bomb Blast 2/21/13

[Anindya]

SS - if someone on this forum who is up to speed with these kinds of statistical analyses, can do a little bit of the calculations and posts it - it can then be made available to center right leaning media forums and journalists.

[ramana]

Well as first cut treat it as a six sigma event. Multiply both the probabilities. Say 10 to minus 12.

Matrimc or others can refine it.

[harbans]

The probability against such an occurring is quite high. My math is quite rusty, but this could be a 1 in 10 to the power 12 kinda thing.

I did that calc yesterday, very basic though. Imagine spots where 12 people congregate in a city like Hyd. There would be a million such spots. Assume that one such spot is bombed and those 12 die/ are injured. The congregation occurs just once a day. The blasts happen once in 6 years but the congregation once a day. City of 12 million. Chances are 1 in a million for every one killed/ injured. But there have been 2000 such congregations a million times over 6 years! Now it's just counting zero's considering the same Abdul being involved twice over n 2 billion congregations. So yes plenty of zero's there..

[shiv]

What is the probability shobability garbage? Allah wills it and it happens. No probability. Onlee surety.

[Atri]

Maqbul is very close to Abdul Rauf of MIM (This is the network YSR encouraged during his tenure. This is the level of support they got from YSR. People should remember how Rashid Ali, minister in YSR govt, demanded termination of jail term to another terrorist from the famous suicide attack on police control room. That is why MIM went out of congress to make a covert alliance with YSRCP now.). Abdul Rauf and Nasiruddin were culprits in Hiren Pandya murder case. Abdul Rauf was made the MIM district head of Dharmabad dist, Maharashtra(Atriji - What is the significance of this district? What are the associated networks?).

Dharmabad is a town in Nanded District.

This is on MH-AP border and has been a Nizam territory until 1948. Nanded is important city for Sikhs with huzur Sahib gurudwara. This region (Hyd included) was Maratha territory until 1725 when Marathas had to give up their control over Hyd to Nizam (chinkilich khan, if I am not mistaken). From 1704-1723/24, this entire region was handled by Marathas. It is interesting that this was the region where the capitals of all great Hindu empires of KG basin were based. Rashtrakutas, Satavahanas, CHalukyas, Vakatakas, Yadavas, Kakatiyas, Vijaynagara etc (I am talking about the region where borders of MH-AP-KN meet. Draw a circle of 150 km from that point and one gets all the power-centers of these empire. This prominence lost after fall of Vijaynagar.

The districts of Marathwada (Aurangabad-Parbhani-Osmanabad-Nanded) are heavily muslim dominated since 1725. Even today, Parbhani-nanded area is almost 50% muslim dominated. Abul Ala Maududi was from Aurangabad and the network of Madrasas which he came from and established are still entrenched in this region.

The armed wing of Islamists in KG basin was Razakars. It is this network of Madrasas mentioned in paragraphs above which trained and mobilized Razakars. Razakars were banned and SIMI took over the mantle of doing what Razakars intended to do. SIMI's "direct action group" which we now know as IM too flourished in these regions. It is in continuity. Nizam - Razakars - SIMI - IM. Post 1795 (the final Maratha-Nizam battle of Kharda where Marathas broke back of Nizam again for last time) the military capability of Nizam vanished and like it is happening in TSP, militia took over from professional military. EIC and later British allowed this happen. This gave rise to what we come to know as "Razakars".

The atrocities and actions of Razakars are too well known to everyone in lower KG basin and need not be elaborated. The ideological centers (akin to Deoband) have been set up in Marathwada since fall of Marathas in 1802 and 1818). Marathwada has been in constant flux between Marathas and Nizam (it remained with Marathas for most part of 18th century, yet, never under stable rule like rest of western and central India.

Talking about Dharmiks here, post 1992, Shivsena-BJP made inroads in Marathwada region, however this hold is faltering. The Maratha lobby voted for INC until recently (Shivraj Patil, Vilasrao Deshmukh). With death of Vilasrao, I think this will pass on to NCP. Marathwada is also dominated by those castes which are classified as nomadic tribes (shepherds). Malharrao Holkar was a shepherd from Marathwada and so is Gopinath Munde. The nexus of Pramod Mahajan (also from same region) and Munde held some forts of BJP-SS in marathwada. Post death of PM and alienation of Munde from MH-BJP, there is virtually nothing much left in Marathwada for SS-BJP. Recently Uddhav organized a massive rally in same region and criticized Ovaisi (he practically said same things which later Togadia said) and got good support there. But, I do not expect that to translate into votes and seats.

Hence, people by nature are compromisers. I do not intend to generalize here, but what I mean by the word "compromisers" is historically they have never done much on their own, which would shift the equilibrium and the status quo towards dharmik advantage. This is very similar to Telangana people, although now Telangana has this additional identity which when coupled with their shitty economy, is motivation enough to bring people together. Agro-Based economy of Marathwada and strong base of Manufacturing and Tourism industries in Aurangabad and region around, Marathwada Hindu people did not feel the pinch. The memories of Razakars are evaporated from public psyche.

The vacuum after death of Vilasrao, is now showing itself. NCP and MIM have filled this void. With Muslim population as high as 30%-50% in most of districts, MIM has clear advantage. NCP has always been darlings of Islamists. You might recall this election pamphlet from Aurangabad NCP candidate for Vidhan-Sabha elections.



This was few years ago. Things have gone downhill since. Aurangabad was always a hotbed for Jihadis (by A'bad, I mean Marathwada). 1992 showed a glimmer of hope but its gone now. Nanded district is already MIM stronghold (or fast becoming one). I will not be surprised if NCP allies with MIM (this may not happen in this election, but after 2019, I am not sure - SP is the sane voice holding NCP on course. After him, things will be unpredictable).

I view NCP (and SP) like I view China in global affairs. I respect them for their role in challenging and curbing (to an extent) the rule of western Imperium. But, like China, they will eventually make a deal with devil (Islamists) to stay alive, in profit and relevant. Thus they will, by their choice and actions, inevitably hurt hindu interests.

[pankajs]

I'm here to share your pain: PM to Hyderabad blasts victims

Maun mohan Singh finally breaks his silence and mouths the same old platitudes.

[vasu raya]

An interesting post in one of news comments sections about return of Razakars,

In Hyderabad..there are still people who have orthodox colonial mentallity........ India annexed Hyderabad but did not take action on Razakars who were the force behind several brutal mass killing in Hydarabad in Nizam era........... This Razakar mentallity is a main reason of all such anti national issue................ Razakars still do not able to associate themselve with India and consider themselve pakistani citizens.................... Now it is time to take action on such mentality..... Razakars who partcipated in Hyderabad killing should be brouht under war criminal tribunal and justice............ Many Razakars migrated to european country, took assylum just to avail the european government benefit but still they or their decendents do not consider themselve Hydarabadi or european citizen.......... Now these Razakars are coming back to India to enjoy growth of India with selfish interest like selling their ancestor property in Hyderabad and other location, or work but from heart they support antinationals................Razakars or their decendents who took assylum in europe after Hydrabad annex should not be given Indian passport or resident card....... .................. Govt of India should take action on Razakars declare their land as enemy property and burst this selfish mentality...........................

Again how did Germans trace the Nazi war criminals?

[Sushupti]

[ashashi]

TOI thinks it is above the Police organizations.....

BJP's Andhra Pradesh unit president G Kishan Reddy said he received a threat letter purportedly written by Pakistan-based terror outfit LeT in which it claimed responsibility for the Dilsukhnagar bomb blast on Thursday night.
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Reddy told reporters he received a letter by post yesterday written in Urdu and English languages.

However, he refused to give a copy of the letter saying he has handed it over to Abids police station. In the letter, the LeT purportedly stated that their next target is Begaumbazar, Reddy claimed. Begumbazar is another crowded wholesale market in the city.

When contacted, Abids police said "we have received a letter from Kishan Reddy today and it is being verified."

[SriKumar]

youtube video ......

This guy is good....it is a bit difficult to put comedy about bomb blasts but the managed it well. His stuff is in the context of Mumbai attacks but it could just as well be Hyd. MMS expresses his boiler-plate condemnation of the terrorists etc... Nothing changes.

[negi]

At this stage is there any sensation left to share the pain ?
PM sir will go back to Delhi then in another 6 months time will again do a munh-kala aka sharm-el-sheikh.

[RamaY]

http://greatandhra.com/viewnews.php?id= ... 15&scat=20

Investigators are believed to have obtained certain "clear clues" based on CCTV footage at the site of the twin blasts in Hyderabad and questioning of some jailed terror suspects here even as a letter purportedly written by Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) claimed responsibility.

Sources said that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh while being briefed by state DGP V Dinesh Reddy here about the progress in the investigations so far was told certain "clear clues" were obtained based on footage of the CCTV cameras at the scene and also questioning of some terror suspects lodged in jails here. {Let us see what Moorkh, Buddu, Slave say about saffron terror.}

According to the sources, the video footage obtained from the site of blasts showed that three people were found moving suspiciously near bicycles strapped with explosives, just minutes before the explosions. Help of experts were being taken to enhance the footage for clarity.

"We are working in close coordination with the National Investigation Agency (NIA) and are hopeful of cracking the case soon," the DGP was said to have told the Prime Minister.

'Lashkar letter'

As multi-probe teams including from NIA analysed the footage and sought details of cycles bought locally, BJP's Andhra Pradesh unit president G Kishan Reddy said he received a threat letter purportedly written by Pakistan-based terror outfit LeT in which it claimed responsibility for the Dilsukhnagar bomb blast on Thursday night.

Police have questioned nearly 30 people in connection with the explosions but yet to make any arrest. {It will be interesting to see how many of these 30 will stay in public instead of going under-ground. This is kind of voluntary custody the suspects have to observe in the absence of police arrests as were the case before} 16 people were killed and over 100 injured when two bombs placed on bicycles went off within minutes of each other in which the handiwork of banned militant outfit Indian Mujahideen, which has links with LeT, is being increasingly suspected.

Reddy told reporters he received a letter by post yesterday written in Urdu and English languages.

However, he refused to give a copy of the letter saying he has handed it over to Abids police station. In the letter, the LeT purportedly stated that their next target is Begaumbazar, Reddy claimed. Begumbazar is another crowded wholesale market in the city.

When contacted, Abids police said "we have received a letter from Kishan Reddy today and it is being verified."

Somali, Hyderabadi questioned in Bihar

In a related development, 30-year-old Somalian national Abdullah Umran Makran and a Hyderabad youth Mohammad Adam arrested in Motihari in Bihar on Saturday while trying to sneak into Nepal were subjected to questioning by security agencies on Sunday in the eastern state connection with the blasts.

The Hyderabad police said Adam obtained his driving licence allegedly on fake residential address and they are verifying his antecedents. (PTI)

[vasu raya]

^^^

Somalis have the tags of Al Qeeda, Drug trafficking, Fraud using fake documents and ofcourse piracy. This arrested Somali might be helping the IM with fake document creation or a Al Qeeda/LeT mashup messenger to activate sleeper cells and being escorted to Nepal border by a mule, its significant that they were arrested within 48 hrs after the blasts, the usual time it takes for somebody from Hyd to reach the Nepal border by train.

meanwhile,

IM boss Yasin Bhatkal among bomb planters in Hyderabad?

Syed Ahmed Zarar Siddibappa, or more infamously Yasin Bhatkal, the Indian Mujahideen operational commander and arguably India’s most wanted man, is believed to have planted the second bomb in Hyderabad’s Dilsukhnagar area on Thursday.

He could also still be in the Andhra capital or in Cyberabad city, investigators said.

According to police sources, Yasin may have planted the bomb behind the bus stop near Venkatdri theatre. The twin bombing killed 16 people.

This isn’t the first time Yasin has personally overseen an operation and done the legwork himself. He was caught on CCTV planting the bomb at Germany Bakery in Pune in 2010.

[Muppalla]

Breakthrough in blast probe; one taken into custody

Lashkar-e-Toiba claims responsibility for explosions, warns of more attacks

Investigating agencies on Sunday took one Mohammad Riyazuddin into custody in connection with the Dilsukhnagar blast case even as the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) claimed responsibility and threatened more such attacks on Hyderabad in the near future.

BJP Andhra Pradesh unit President G Kishan Reddy received a letter purportedly written by the LeT threatening to attack Begum Bazaar, a major business centre. The LeT also claimed responsibility for Thursday’s attack.

Kishan Reddy said the letter written in English and Urdu was handed over to the Abids Police Station. The police said they were examining the letter to ascertain its veracity and tracing its origin.

Begum Bazar was one of the areas where the alleged Indian Mujahideen (IM) operatives conducted reconnaissance. This was revealed by one of the IM operatives arrested by the Delhi Police in 2012.

The investigating agencies on Sunday had a few breakthroughs in the Dilsukhnagar bomb blast case and have taken into custody Mohammad Riyazuddin from an apartment in the old city area. In addition to the six teams set up by the Cyberabad police commissionerate, 15 teams of the Hyderabad police commissionerate are probing the twin blasts that killed 16 and injured over a hundred.

A special investigation team of the Cyberabad Police picked up Riyazuddin for questioning. He was arrested by the police after the 2007 Mecca Masjid blast but was later acquitted by a court. Riyazuddin was identified as one of the persons who had visited the blast spot a few minutes before the explosion, as per the CCTV footage.

The agencies also identified IM chief Fayaz Kaji as the prime suspect under whose directions the Bhatkal brothers Yasin, Riyaz and Iqbal were operating in India. They were also involved in the Malegaon, Pune and Delhi blasts.

Police Commissioner of Hyderabad Anurag Sharma told reporters on Sunday that the probe has been intensified. He, however, clarified that no arrests were made. He said they were working on various leads but refused to share any information with regard to the investigations.

The government has also sought clarification from the DGP as to how the specific alert sent on February 21 was not circulated to the commissionerate. “We did not get any specific alert on February 21,” Anurag Sharma said.

Injured critical

Six of the injured in terror attacks getting treated in different hospitals in the city are said to be in a critical condition.

According to officials, 90 people were still undergoing treatment at six different hospitals. At Care Hospital in Nampally, three out of the 23 injured are in a critical condition.

The court acquittal in 2007 would not have occurred if there was POTA. He would have been bumped off.

[Cosmo_R]

^^^ Simple question: WTH is a Somali doing in Hyderabad India and how did he get there?

I mean they usually go to Minneapolis. Portland ME and Londonistan.

Who gave them visas or did they not need one?

[Muppalla]

^^^ Simple question: WTH is a Somali doing in Hyderabad India and how did he get there?

I mean they usually go to Minneapolis. Portland ME and Londonistan.

Who gave them visas or did they not need one?

There are several legal Somails, Nigerians and also Bangladeshis in Hyderabad for education. There are also scores of illegals from Bangladesh and Pakistan. In case of Bangladesh and Pakistan there are several legal sons-in-laws including the famous Paki cricketer

[Muppalla]

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyd ... sliderNews



Fears of the minority community in Hyderabad.

[pentaiah]

The Somalis Nigerians are dime a dozen with a drug culture getting into scam master cine actors land grabbers nouveau riches unlimited.

I had mentioned this about a lot of times also most of them masquerade as students in OU campus as well

Our law and order justice and public administration is in last stages of death

The future is very bleak and just pray that hidden hand protects the aam admi

The stark and naked truth the state ruling both at center and state level is completely feeding on each other in symbiotic relationship.

The enemy is no longer just external it's mostly internal and ruling by proxy and black mail...

[RamaY]

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyd ... sliderNews
Fears of the minority community in Hyderabad.

From this link

In August 2007, following the twin blasts at Lumbini Park and Gokul chat bhandar, police rounded up several youths and allegedly subjected them to third-degree methods, a charge that police had denied. Later, some of them were booked in terror conspiracy charges.

However, the youths were later acquitted of the charges, and the government paid them compensation and issued character certificates.

But since Friday, some youths, including a few who were arrested in the Mecca Masjid bomb blast case, have been detained, it is said.

A week or two ago there was a show by Burkha Dutt in NDTV about Hindu Terror and she brought a 2007 blast case acquitted (Imran was his name, IIRC) student to talk about the impact of picking innocents as suspects.

This young person, who was arrested during his BTech years for 18 months (IIRC) and later, made a passionate case against Police arresting innocents. But neither the gentleman nor Burkha mentioned the fact highlighted above. This gentlemen proudly proclaimed that he claims to be a Bharatiya (not Indian, please note) even after this bitter experience. I salute him for that.

Unfortunately not a single youth in that show said, "after all the most of the terrorism is conducted by muslim youth and it is natural for people to be suspicious and it is a fair compromise/inconvenience the rest of muslim youth to go thru to weed out this terrorism from our nation".

P.S: They could be two different programs - One on Hindu Terror and another one on AFSPA

[RamaY]

The funny thing is that Indian Mujahideen had to send the letter claiming responsibility for Hyd blasts to Mr. Kishan Reddy, president of state BJP party because if they send it to the MSM or worse congress govt in state or center, they will not let that news come out.

In that sense Congress strategy is the best to handle islamic terrorism. Simply stop acknowledging it, don't let the terrorists claim responsibility or make any moves to counter terrorism. You may eventually lose your house, mother, wife, daughter and even your life to these terrorists but if you do not accept it then you are dead anyway when you are dead. Isn't this what our Dhimmi brothers and Napunsak govt is telling us to do for past decade?

[vijayk]

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/hyd-p ... 130224.htm

The Hyderabad police has detained six local youth for questioning in connection with the twin blasts which killed 16 people on Thursday evening in a crowded market area in the city.


These young men had earlier been arrested in connection with the Mecca Masjid blast of 2007 and tortured by the city police. They were later acquitted by the courts.
 
Mohammed Rayeesuddin, a resident of Malakpet, was among those who were picked up by the police on Sunday.
 
Others detained include Mohammed Shakeel, Abdul Raheem and Azmath. Two young men -- Arshad and Abdul Kareem -- were allowed to go home after questioning. One Dr Ibraheem Junaid has also been asked by the police to come to the police station.
 
When asked about the detentions, Hyderabad Police Commissioner Anurag Sharma claimed he didn’t know about them.

“They may have been called for questioning by our officers but we have not arrested anybody,” he said.

When asked why the men -- who have been found innocent of wrongdoings in the past -- have again been picked up, he said he needed to verify the facts before commenting on the issue.

[vasu raya]

The cost of a CCTV from the recent measures taken was put at 3500 cameras for 450 crores, thats about Rs. 12lacs/unit

a reasonable cell phone with a video camera can be obtained at Rs. 10,000, that's about 120 phones for every CCTV or 4.5lac phones for Rs. 450 crores

sounds cheesy, but if police were to wear micro-cams while on duty its easy to video record the real happenings and could be studied in de-briefings and/or submitted as evidence in court. The micro-cams packaged with cell phones, they just need to detach the camera part and button them on the uniform so that the person the pandu is talking to is in view. Few ups,

a) Identifying a person by taking a mugshot and getting an answer from some remote server
b) Vehicle license plates can be snapped, also can overlay that info with traffic signal timings for signal jumping
c) Corruption within the lower level police ranks can be monitored by their bosses
d) if aam aadmi complains, police cannot ignore them

Also a recent good news was police stations also installing CCTVs

[shiv]

The cost of a CCTV from the recent measures taken was put at 3500 cameras for 450 crores, thats about Rs. 12lacs/unit

You are not factoring in Indian conditions. 3500 cameras can be installed at Rs 25,000 per unit or 9 crores. Installation, monitoring, wiring, power etc add up to another 20 crores. Sundry expenses would be 10 crores. That makes about 40 crores. The remaining 410 crores are used as follows:

1. Land purchases in foreign countries and travel for ministers and state government and police officials Rs 150 crore
2. Mercedes/BMW for key people 5 crores (cheap)
3. Building projects in Hyderabad, real estate in Bangalore 50 crores
4. Gold crown/other gifts for Lord Venkateshwara in Tirupati Rs 5 crores (cheap)
5. Central government election aid fund 150 crores
6. Protection money/sops for people who may create trouble by revealing the real accounts: 50 crores.

[vasu raya]

^^^ so true sirji, I don't know if there is an emoticon for tragic comedy

[Sushupti]

Picture worth 1000 words.

[Sushupti]

Revenge attack for Kasab, Guru: Shinde

http://newindianexpress.com/nation/article1477486.ece

[ramana]

Revenge attack for Kasab, Guru: Shinde

http://newindianexpress.com/nation/article1477486.ece

Nonsense. Shows Shinde is out of his element.

If it was revenge attack it would have happened in Mumbai and Delhi not in Hyderabad.

[ramana]

So many names. Its clear that some who were let off in the Mecca Masjid blasts participated in the DS nagar blasts.

Can SwamyG and a team mae a mind map of all the names and connections?

Thanks in advance.
ramana

[RamaY]

Today's Burkha debate has a terror victim who was struck twice - once in 11/26 and again in best Bakery blasts.

So the probability is there. May be that Hyderabad victim is innocent.

It is like in Final Destination movie..

Coming to Shinde's comment about the reasons for terror attacks, we are back to justifying terror. It will end with another 11/26 before we fall back again.

My theory is Hyd blasts are response to MMS tough stance and end of piss process after soldier beheading incident.

[pentaiah]

So what next?

[Gus]

Yesterday they put out report saying CCTV footage gave 'clear clues'. Today they say its hazy and nothing clear. The pessimist in me says they are clueless.

[Sanku]

Yesterday they put out report saying CCTV footage gave 'clear clues'. Today they say its hazy and nothing clear. The pessimist in me says they are clueless.

No they are covering up. This is the same gang that did Mecca Masjid. Now NIA and UPA are caught in a bind, they cant resolve the case without showing that Mecca Masjid and the entire Safforn terror was a lie, that too by their own actions.

So they will try and bury the case soon.

[nachiket]

Shinde must have made that comment with an eye on the future. Now the next time we convict some terrorist and sentence him to death, the Con goons have a handy excuse ready not to hang him. They can just say, look what happened last time!

These blasts had nothing to do with Kasab and Afzal's hanging. They just go to show that the jihadi infrastructure in India is flourishing while the NIA goes after imaginary "Hindu terrorists" just so that the congress can woo its primary vote bank.

[Atri]

Yesterday they put out report saying CCTV footage gave 'clear clues'. Today they say its hazy and nothing clear. The pessimist in me says they are clueless.

No they are covering up. This is the same gang that did Mecca Masjid. Now NIA and UPA are caught in a bind, they cant resolve the case without showing that Mecca Masjid and the entire Safforn terror was a lie, that too by their own actions.

So they will try and bury the case soon.

Can be a response to INC-MIM split and betrayal of MIM by congress by arresting Akbar?

Kaangress went full throttle and recently got committed again on bhagwa terror and get their chaddis twisted thusly. Now the chutiyas of INC can do nothng but hold their dicks in hand and twiddle their thumbs up their musharraf.

[Sanku]

Can be a response to INC-MIM split and betrayal of MIM by congress by arresting Akbar?

Kaangress went full throttle and recently got committed again on bhagwa terror and get their chaddis twisted thusly. Now the chutiyas of INC can do nothng but hold their dicks in hand and twiddle their thumbs up their musharraf.

Quite true. Let us see how the thing pans out. Will Congress actually end up being neither here nor there?

[Nitesh]

The cost of a CCTV from the recent measures taken was put at 3500 cameras for 450 crores, thats about Rs. 12lacs/unit
...........

Saar, wrong analogy, the CCTV installation is quite complex, it depends on lot of factors like type of cameras, resolution needed, civil work needed for particular camera, the associate network to stream the data, different nodes to monitor the data, associated analytic software, storage, back up, running the data center. And this is just tip of the ice berg. This figure also does not clarify how many years this network will be managed by the winner.

Humble request, this bashing was not needed

[shiv]

The cost of a CCTV from the recent measures taken was put at 3500 cameras for 450 crores, thats about Rs. 12lacs/unit
...........

Saar, wrong analogy, the CCTV installation is quite complex, it depends on lot of factors like type of cameras, resolution needed, civil work needed for particular camera, the associate network to stream the data, different nodes to monitor the data, associated analytic software, storage, back up, running the data center. And this is just tip of the ice berg. This figure also does not clarify how many years this network will be managed by the winner.

Humble request, this bashing was not needed

Audited accounts are more easy to believe than reassurances. Subjects like CCTVs for Hyderabad come under the Hyderabad City Corporation I guess, or maybe police dept. Have you ever seen audited accounts for government departments? Sorry it is OT but the number of news reports of crore-patis I read about who were government "servants" firmly convinces me that less than 50% of 450 crores would have gone towards CCTVs

A six camera domestic CCTV set up with 2 weeks backup costs about Rs 35,000. Multiply that by a factor of 1 lakh simply to account for 3500 cameras and other stuff and we still get only 360 crores.

[Nitesh]

Audited accounts are more easy to believe than reassurances. Subjects like CCTVs for Hyderabad come under the Hyderabad City Corporation I guess, or maybe police dept. Have you ever seen audited accounts for government departments? Sorry it is OT but the number of news reports of crore-patis I read about who were government "servants" firmly convinces me that less than 50% of 450 crores would have gone towards CCTVs

A six camera domestic CCTV set up with 2 weeks backup costs about Rs 35,000. Multiply that by a factor of 1 lakh simply to account for 3500 cameras and other stuff and we still get only 360 crores.

Shiv saar, as I said, this is quite complex exercise, yes every deal has certain kick back, but with my limited exposure to this field, I don't think the number is exaggerated.
Any way, without knowing the parameters involved, we will never reach to any meaningful conclusion.

TWIW.

[shiv]

Audited accounts are more easy to believe than reassurances. Subjects like CCTVs for Hyderabad come under the Hyderabad City Corporation I guess, or maybe police dept. Have you ever seen audited accounts for government departments? Sorry it is OT but the number of news reports of crore-patis I read about who were government "servants" firmly convinces me that less than 50% of 450 crores would have gone towards CCTVs

A six camera domestic CCTV set up with 2 weeks backup costs about Rs 35,000. Multiply that by a factor of 1 lakh simply to account for 3500 cameras and other stuff and we still get only 360 crores.

Shiv saar, as I said, this is quite complex exercise, yes every deal has certain kick back, but with my limited exposure to this field, I don't think the number is exaggerated.
Any way, without knowing the parameters involved, we will never reach to any meaningful conclusion.

TWIW.

I would like to believe you, but at least in Bangalore it is obvious that money is made by government and corporation officials in every deal - be it road repair or garbage clearance. What is worrisome to me is that honest taxpayers like you and me who are also educated do not ask for accounts, but simply pay road tax, professional tax, property tax, cess for this, cess for that etc.
And while I do not want to enter into an argument with you - the absence of any accounts should be a pointer. After all you, as taxpayer are asked to keep accounts and your income and expenses are available online under your PAN number. Multiply that by several million for corporation accounts and you never find any details. Ever. And we accept the situation stoically.

[Rahul M]

Kasab was for 26/11/2008 terrorist attack.

unfortunately for MMS constable Ombale caught Kasab alive. So no other option left but to hang him.

sorry for the OT nitpick but it is ASI Tukaram Ombale, not constable.