Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

[member_22872]

I think the reason is an indirect one. The one of control over the Indian subcontinent. Who allows them to have a foot-hold? Clearly since the independence it is TSP. It is the very reason they created it, that is to gain a foothold. From the start Jinnah himself approached the west to tell them his country is ready to GUBO. Now they will support TSP because it is their whore, they also want a foothold for their exploitation of the regions resources and to have the ability to bring the war to Russia if such a need arises. Historically India favoured Russia, so it is also this reason to undermine Indian interests.

India doesn't roll over as they want it to, They have tried and have been trying to undermine every which way possible to bring it to it's knees. Their self interests makes them myopic, they don't see India is truly a democratic nation because they don't care about democracy, all they care is if India acts as their lap dog or not. They see India's independence as arrogance, it is this arrogance that they are after, to teach it a lesson for, India for them is nothing but another TSP, even worse as Indians are not TFTA but are SDREs.

[SBajwa]

by Jujhar

The character of Rai Abdullah or Dullah Bhatti is another feature of the Bar. His mention, in the lohri, has a history. Dullah rescued a poor girl from the wrath of a landlord, raised her and married her off as his own daughter. The grandson of Sandal Bhatti, who had Sandal Bar named after him and the son of Farid Bhatti, Dullah was a scion of the Chandravanshi Rajput’s Bhatti clan, who lived in [b[Punjab some four centuries ago[/b].

Rai Bhoe di Talwandi was established when the Rajputs who were defeated by Ghauri converted to Islam on the following conditions.

1. They will not go back to Ajmer or Rajasthan.
2. Thus they be provided at least 25 villages in the territory held by Turkish victors.
3. The people they will be ruling in this area (25 villages) will not be converted to Islam

Thus for 2-3 centuries this whole area of BAR which is now called Nankana Sahib around Virkgarh (Citadels of the Virks) which is now called Shaikhupura (Shaikh aka Jahangir Mughal defeated the Jat tribe of Virks and renamed the city).

Guru Nanak Dev was born in this land where Rae Bhoe akal Bhatti Rajputs protected the non-muslims (as their ancestors has vowed). Bhatti's saved the non-muslims from Mughals (tried their best from Jahangir, Shahjehan and Aurungzeb) but only till 1947 (later when Ranjit Singh was ruling this whole area was still majority non-muslim with muslim Nawab).,

If they have forgotten Lohri or Basant (13th January to 12th February) and the period in between it is because they want to follow Arabian people and their customs . Punjab (and all over Indian subcontinent with other names) has always celebrated this month (month before Basant) as

1. Auspicious time for newly weds, newly born and thus parties.
2. Flying kites and having kite competitions.
3. Bon fire with Peanuts, Gachak and other such winter sweets!

and children going from door to door Singing the punjabi songs and getting the sweets

sundar Mundarae ho
Tera Kaun Vichara ho
Dulla Bhatti Wala ho
Dullae di dhee viahee ho
Sher Shakar paiee ho
Dulla da Salu paata ho

[ramana]

Varun, Have opened a thread in GDF for the translation.

ramana

[shiv]

This guy talks of admission of past mistakes, redemption, etc. Have you ever heard of a muslim apologizing to Kafir. If these pakjabi muslims wants to admit mistakes they should start from 7th century when the first arab muslim set foot in Indian subcontinent.

Tenth century. And it was Sindh first. Sindh was also the last to come under British rule. It was Sindh that enjoyed 1000 years rule and more. I think too many Indian are guilty of speaking of thousand years rul over India. The height of power was hardly 400 years. So please don;t make it 1300 years

[jash_p]

Music can calm violent society: Ustaad Salamat Ali Khan

By Raja Zahid A Khanzada

February 27, 2013 - Updated 31 PKT


DALLAS: Prominent singer Ustad Salamat Ali Khan who is on a visit to US presented an amazing performance in Dallas for which his partner in life and famous vocalist Azra Riaz also won praise from the audience.

ustadji that is the reason jehdis (Pakis in perticular) don't like music and mullahs ban music.

[akashganga]

This guy talks of admission of past mistakes, redemption, etc. Have you ever heard of a muslim apologizing to Kafir. If these pakjabi muslims wants to admit mistakes they should start from 7th century when the first arab muslim set foot in Indian subcontinent.

Tenth century. And it was Sindh first. Sindh was also the last to come under British rule. It was Sindh that enjoyed 1000 years rule and more. I think too many Indian are guilty of speaking of thousand years rul over India. The height of power was hardly 400 years. So please don;t make it 1300 years

You are right about capture of Sindh. But I have read that these muslims have been entering subcontinent right from 7th century or so. Last Hindu Raja of afghanistan was overthrown in 8th century?

[akashganga]

Music can calm violent society: Ustaad Salamat Ali Khan

By Raja Zahid A Khanzada

February 27, 2013 - Updated 31 PKT


DALLAS: Prominent singer Ustad Salamat Ali Khan who is on a visit to US presented an amazing performance in Dallas for which his partner in life and famous vocalist Azra Riaz also won praise from the audience.

ustadji that is the reason jehdis (Pakis in perticular) don't like music and mullahs ban music.

The founder of their religion himself banned music. These musicians are not true faithfuls...

[member_19686]

You are right about capture of Sindh. But I have read that these muslims have been entering subcontinent right from 7th century or so. Last Hindu Raja of afghanistan was overthrown in 8th century?

The Hindu Shahiya loss of Afghanistan is covered here:

http://manasataramgini.wordpress.com/20 ... -identity/

This online book also covers the early encounters:

http://voiceofdharma.com/books/hhrmi/

[Anujan]

TFT reports that Pasha (ex chief of ISI) is now pretty influential in UAE intelligence circles and oversees the emir's private intelligence. And we wonder why all manner of Pakis wanted in India find safe haven in UAE!

[Varoon Shekhar]

"They see India's independence as arrogance, it is this arrogance that they are after, to teach it a lesson for, India for them is nothing but another TSP, even worse as Indians are not TFTA but are SDREs."

To the US, India is 'arrogant' because it wants to remain as independent as possible, with the freedom to choose the causes it wishes to support the US in. India is NOT subverting democracy, secularism, pluralism or liberalism anywhere, least of all Afghanistan. Nor is India propping up awful dictatorships with arms and money.

To India sometimes, and to many other countries, the US is arrogant because it intervenes all over the globe, usually not on behalf of democracy vs dictatorships, and it has subverted at least 3 democracies in the past 65 years.

Definitely two very different definitions of 'arrogance' !

[partha]

It looks like Madam Unfair has again done an about turn -

Look at her latest tweets - https://twitter.com/CChristineFair

Sample -



To refresh everyone's memory, this is what madam unfair wrote in June 2012 about Pakistan -

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... t_pakistan

With an "ally" in a state of perpetual dysfunction, it's time for Washington to reconsider its options: containment or benign neglect.

Pakistan had become renowned for spreading nuclear technology to such states as Iran and North Korea; reckless adventurism in India; insistence on supporting jihadist groups as a principal tool of statecraft; and steadfast refusal to adopt policies that might invest in its people rather than entrench the military's deep state. Had Pakistan chosen to jettison its jihad habit, sought assistance in rehabilitating tens of thousands of militants and their supporters in Pakistan, and found some amicable resolution to its longstanding dispute with India, it would still enjoy the support of the West, as well as their collective checkbooks, today.

[SSridhar]

Nightwatch

Pakistan:
For the record. The Supreme Court heard testimony from provincial authorities on Tuesday concerning the security situation in Quetta, Baluchistan Province. Additional Advocate General of Baluchistan Azam Khattak told the Court that the provincial government had increased the number of police personnel and was checking vehicles. It also promised to install scanners to check for explosives, to guard against car bombings. Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry said this was not enough. "You have to take long-term measures…you should go to the root cause of such incidents. The steps taken are temporary," Chaudhry said. "This report has not given us any satisfaction," and ordered the arrest of all those responsible for recent attacks. Comment: On its own authority, the Court took notice of the break down in security in Quetta after a 16 February bombing killed 90 people. Since 1 January more than 200 Hazaras have been killed by bomb attacks in Quetta. National authorities have done little to nothing to protect minorities most of whom live west of the Indus River. Pakistan is experiencing a general decline in internal security. .

The Army and politics. Chief of Army Staff General Kayani told the press that the Army fully supported a seamless transition to a new government resulting from general elections this spring. He noted this will be the first time an elected government has completed a full, five-year term of office in Pakistan's history, in accord with the constitution. {So, who has been resposnsible for this sorry state of affairs ? It is the Army and the Army Chief is now crowing that but for the decision taken by Kayani & Co not to stage a coup, even this government would not have completed its five years} Kayani said the Army respects the constitution and the electoral process. Elections will be held on or before 7 May 2013.

Pakistan-Iran: Pakistani President Zardari began a two-day official visit to Iran on 27 February, the president's spokesman said. During the visit, the president will hold talks with the Iranian leadership on a host of bilateral issues and the regional situation. Important progress also is expected to be made on the Iran-Pakistan (IP) gas pipeline project during. Dawn News reported that Iran is expected to lend Pakistan $500 million for expediting the gas pipeline project. Along with supplying gas to Pakistan, Iran would also establish an oil refinery in Baluchistan's port city of Gwadar. Comment: Pakistan's relations with Iran are marked by suspicion because of diversity of cult and competing strategic interests connected with Afghanistan. Iran is Shia and hostile to the Baluchis and the Pashtun. Pakistan is Sunni and a strong backer of the Pashtuns and Baluchis. The politics and economics of energy, of which Pakistan is chronically short, have greater urgency and, thus, take short term precedence over disagreements. Of note, a Chinese management company recently took over administration of the port of Gwadar from the Singapore Port Authority. Gwadar is a recently expanded port in western Pakistan, built with Chinese assistance, which will be linked by rail eventually to western China. This visit also is a manifestation of a growing movement to prepare for the departure of the US and NATO forces from Afghanistan after more than ten years. Pakistan's ambassador to the US said today that Pakistan has begun "bracing itself for the consequences of the US withdrawal from Afghanistan. The US departure will create a regional vacuum that will affect every South Asian and Central Asian state, plus Iran, China and Russia. {The biggest impact will be on India and it is carefully omitted by the US Ambassador and Nightwatch}The pace of regional consultations and high level meetings may be expected to gather significant momentum during 2013.

[Anujan]

Many moons ago, I said http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 6#p1360486 as a reaction to the FP article and I quote

She seems to be on and off her meds often.

[partha]

I hope it is just the meds and not reflective of the Obama 2.0 admin's thinking.

[svinayak]

I hope it is just the meds and not reflective of the Obama 2.0 admin's thinking.

This flip flop will continue. The policy cul de sac on Af Pak will go on for another 10 years.

[member_22539]

Ha Arun bhai is this a kaanspeeracy? Any one that translates that is bull cattle... We can ask one of our secular free speech liberal leftists to do that

I can't explain it any other way. It is such an old and controversial book and its not like it takes a whole lot of money to translate it. Thus, the only explanation is a conspiracy . It is funny how painting naked Indian goddesses are okay with the liberal left, but they maintain a deathly silence of on freedom of speech for the likes of Thaslima, etc.

[member_22872]

There should be no hopeful thinking when this bashing, cozing up is norm of US policy. The best strategy is to consider US as hostile and give a cold shoulder, openly support Iran, Openly support Baluchis. What is there to fear now, it appears we already got a remark that we support anti-TSP activities, then so be it. Let us be pain in the a$$ for America. Ombaba and his gov are no friends of India, US never was Indian friend.

[amit]

Ha Arun bhai is this a kaanspeeracy? Any one that translates that is bull cattle... We can ask one of our secular free speech liberal leftists to do that

I can't explain it any other way. It is such an old and controversial book and its not like it takes a whole lot of money to translate it. Thus, the only explanation is a conspiracy . It is funny how painting naked Indian goddesses are okay with the liberal left, but they maintain a deathly silence of on freedom of speech for the likes of Thaslima, etc.

OT: The Left in India are very famously known to be the most vociferous in areas/subjects where they do not fear retaliation. There is a deathly silence in areas/subjects where they are assured of an unpleasant reaction. After all they are quite sure nobody is going to send a suicide bomber after them if they champion Hussains right to paint naked Hindu Gods. However, there could be fatwa or worse if they uphold Taslima's right to free speech.

Having studied them in close quarters, I've come to the conclusion that it's the nature of the Leftist DNA - that is the type which is fashionable with the upper-middle class Indian elite who usually become the "intellectual backbone" of the Leftist movement. Think of Prakash and Brinda Karat as examples.

[Sanku]

Having studied them in close quarters, I've come to the conclusion that it's the nature of the Leftist DNA - that is the type which is fashionable with the upper-middle class Indian elite who usually become the "intellectual backbone" of the Leftist movement. Think of Prakash and Brinda Karat as examples.

Political left is a small version of this -- this behavior is seen most amongst Congress folks, like those in NAC etc. There is a reason why NAC effortlessly transcends the boundary between Congress and Left. Political left more than others, actually does take a few hard steps once in a while, others are far worse.

This is fall out of the Nehru strain of virus in Indian polity -- now seen in many Congress A & B parties.

[Aditya_V]

Since when do people who spend thier summer holidays in Switzerland become upper middle class, they should be .25% of the richest in India.

[Varoon Shekhar]

Hagel and Christina Fair are unable to think in terms of progressive/regressive. India's support, such as it was, for the Bangladesh movement was something progressive, because it was premised on, and envisoned, more democracy, freedom and secularism- and that's what the result was, though unfortunately only temporarily. India's support pre-2001 for the Northern Alliance was positively something progressive, considering the 'opponent', the Taliban. The support to the LTTE was probably a mistake, but it was revoked before 1987. Here again, it was Sri Lanka's awful ethnic strife which caused thousands of Tamil refugees to flee the island to India. And Sri Lanka's narrow, vulgar "Sinhala only' ideology which largely caused the problem in the first place. The violent insurgencies in India-Kashmir, Khalistan, Manipur, Assam etc, are taking place in a totally different environment, where democracy, secularism and pluralism are not the issues at all. Rather, mere denial of the idea of India, and aggressive, violent assertion of 'difference'. Hagel and Fair would probably be unable/unwilling to draw a distinction here as well.

[member_20292]

Our newest strategic "ally" uvacha:
India used Afghanistan as second front, financed problems for Pak: Chuck Hagel

India will generously interpret this as 'US compulsion at this critical stage'. We will not mind this because at the strategic macro level, India and the USA have convergence. There can be always wrinkles at a tactical micro level. I am just waiting for reactions on these lines.

To be honest, I don't see anything wrong with India funding terror in Baluchistan etc. Its a welcome development.

I have chaiwallah sources who also hint along these lines.

[Varoon Shekhar]

There is nothing to suggest that India is involved in a big way in Baluchistan i.e weapons, training, sanctuary or even ideology. But the Baluchistan movement itself is progressive, in that it undermines the Pakistani ideology, military domination and oligarchy, and strives for a more democratic, pluralistic state and society.

[Aditya_V]

quote="sum"]Our newest strategic "ally" uvacha:
India used Afghanistan as second front, financed problems for Pak: Chuck Hagel/quote]
India will generously interpret this as 'US compulsion at this critical stage'. We will not mind this because at the strategic macro level, India and the USA have convergence. There can be always wrinkles at a tactical micro level. I am just waiting for reactions on these lines.

To be honest, I don't see anything wrong with India funding terror in Baluchistan etc. Its a welcome development.

I have chaiwallah sources who also hint along these lines.

Thanks but that pure conspiracy at its best, Mr Hagel and Ms Unfair are being totally wrong and Bigoted here. And Hagel has shown thier bias to TSP in those comments.

There is a difference being seeing nothing wrong and it is being done and frankly we do not have the infrastucture and safe haven training camps like the United Jihad council has in POK.

Frankly, I do not support such a move as with US, Saudi and Chinese support the unashamed massacre of Baluch is taking place along with the murder of Hazaras in Quetta.

And Mr Chawal, your baseless chaiwalla stuff is pure Paki propaganda and borders on anti Nationalism. Show me the PO type training camps and speeches made. The truth is there is none. Baluchistan and Tibet and indigenous causes which arise out of genuine need from fighting tyrannical forces of which India's has no role.

[CRamS]

I always told you, you have to understand the fundamental mindset of US when it comes to India (and of course TSP). In their minds, there is no difference, its a zero sum game, both are its munnas or both are its nemeses (not necessarily in the sense of "axis of evil", but to be contained).

To this, there mere existence of India, no matter what it does, if it is perceived to be not in the interests of US empire, doesn't jell well with the white elites. In this sense, TSP's and US's interests align lock, stock, and barrel.

Recall, Hussien Haqaani who once said so many Indian Americans coming to higher posts in the govt and elsewhere troubles TSP, and US should be cognizant of that. Likewise, recall, even the "liberal" Ayesha Siddiqa whatever or Jihadi sethi who said many-a-times that TSP will not allow India to gain as a result of TSP's foibles in AfPak. In other words, even if India does the right thing, as it has, but since thats not in the interests of TSP and hence US, India's doing the right thing is the moral equivalent of TSP's terror.

As I said, its a zero sum game in their minds, borne out of their TFTA superiority complex.

But as Varoon said, I actually welcome India showing some b@lls in providing "moral and diplomatic and political" support to the beleaguered Baluchis and pay TSP back in the same coin. If India is being accused of that, let it at least live up to the honors.

[Varoon Shekhar]

"In other words, even if India does the right thing, as it has, but since thats not in the interests of TSP and hence US, India's doing the right thing is the moral equivalent of TSP's terror."

Beautifully said. It's a real sick perversion, when doing the right thing, is equated with TSP's terrorism and fanaticism.

[nachiket]

Many moons ago, I said http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 6#p1360486 as a reaction to the FP article and I quote

She seems to be on and off her meds often.

Christine Unfair is an establishment mouthpiece. When US-Pak relations had gone down the pakistan after Raymond Davis, Salala, OBL killing etc., she was spouting anti-pak and sometimes even pro-India rhetoric. Before that when US-Pak were bhai-bhai in WoT, she used to regularly vomit out these kinds of "genuine paki concerns in Afghanistan" type articles. Guess current US administration now seems to be going back to bhai-bhai status with pakis with the appointment of Kerry, hagel etc. and Unfair madam is echoing that.

[member_20292]

And Mr Chawal, your baseless chaiwalla stuff is pure Paki propaganda and borders on anti Nationalism. Show me the PO type training camps and speeches made. The truth is there is none. Baluchistan and Tibet and indigenous causes which arise out of genuine need from fighting tyrannical forces of which India's has no role.

this is being self-righteous....even as what you right is close to the truth.

I'm sure a covert capability is something that is pretty welcome in both the cases.

I hope you agree. If not, no issues.

But, in MVHO, support cloak and dagger in these situations.

[Aditya_V]

Unless we have the some real ability to give Baluschistan Independence I would not support any Involvement as it will lead to just some further massacres of the Baluch in addition to the ones already taken place. We simply do not have leadership, geography and clout.

I find the present allegations Baseless.

I however, support the separation and right to self governance of the Baluch and is most natural and should take place.

[member_22872]

But Aditya garu, no independence can be gained without bloodshed anyway that too when you are talking about TSP. They will kill Balochis exactly the way they killed Bengalis whether we interfere or not. Who knows may be if we don't interfere, firstly Balochis will not get the support when needed in terms of weapons, secondly there is a danger of their freedom movement getting nipped and their third in the long term more Balochis could be killed, more than the number if only we interfered.

Also there is the danger of China getting a base and exploiting Gadwar. Watching from afar being mere spectators won't get us anywhere. We should support them openly. Our PM anyway acknowledged that, lets go full throttle. We just give moral and diplomatic support only anyway like Pakis do, time to pay in their own coin.

Added later:
It is like opening a second front.

[rkirankr]

[quote="akashganga]
Do we inherit the sins and liabilities of our ancestors? Yes, because we inherit their virtues and their assets. Like other conquerors, our medieval ancestors ruled their subjects against their will. Hindus never went out of the subcontinent to invade or rule others, while invasion and domination were genetic to Muslims. They preferred to dominate rather than befriend.[/b] Conquest and killing leaves lasting scars. Those who are disgraced and defeated pass their memories of pain to the posterity, that breeds new conflicts. Only an admission of misdeeds opens the path to redemption. The contemporary descendants of Vikings, Romans and Mongols do not take pride in the violent history of their ancestors. In contrast, the boastful pride of our past makes us crudely unique and alienates us from the world. An honest admission instead can work as the recipe for coexistence. Such civilized attitudes are not humiliating; they can win us respect among nations. But that is not possible without a strong dismissal of the terrorists who represent the darkest aspects of our psyche.[/quote]

This guy talks of admission of past mistakes, redemption, etc. Have you ever heard of a muslim apologizing to Kafir. If these pakjabi muslims wants to admit mistakes they should start from 7th century when the first arab muslim set foot in Indian subcontinent.

The above one is stupid because , by admitting the mistake, he says that "they" actually conquered us. Poor fool does not know today's pakis regions were the ones which were conquered but rest of today's India put up a fight for centuries and that ultimately defeated Mughal empire. I see in the above article , a sense of "we" meaning Pakis defeated Hindus. This is not true. They are the left overs of the barbarians who invaded our lands

[SSridhar]

There is nothing to suggest that India is involved in a big way in Baluchistan i.e weapons, training, sanctuary or even ideology.

It was three years back that our Pujya Pradhan Mantri ji requested the Pakistani PM Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani to bring to the table details of India's involvement in Balochistan. Such evidence has not yet been presented by TSP. It has no evidence, not even manufactured. But, Balochistan is a stick to beat India with and the US probably cunningly advised Man Mohan Singh (as part of its mediation) to implicate India in the Balochistan issue and thus expose Pakistan's propaganda (a la Mountbatten's advice on taking J&K to the UN). 'Comedian' Rehman Malik has frequently threatened to bring forth the evidence but nothing has happened. American analysts (like C. Fair) or officials (Hagel) have used India's presence in Afghanistan to discredit us without any shred of evidence. This is a Goebellian tactic to make the accusations stick without any evidence at all. The US is playing a dangerous and deep double game here and our PM had unwittingly fallen prey three years back at Sharm-el-Sheik.

[chetak]

There is nothing to suggest that India is involved in a big way in Baluchistan i.e weapons, training, sanctuary or even ideology.

It was three years back that our Pujya Pradhan Mantri ji requested the Pakistani PM Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani to bring to the table details of India's involvement in Balochistan. Such evidence has not yet been presented by TSP. It has no evidence, not even manufactured. But, Balochistan is a stick to beat India with and the US probably cunningly advised Man Mohan Singh (as part of its mediation) to implicate India in the Balochistan issue and thus expose Pakistan's propaganda (a la Mountbatten's advice on taking J&K to the UN). 'Comedian' Rehman Malik has frequently threatened to bring forth the evidence but nothing has happened. American analysts (like C. Fair) or officials (Hagel) have used India's presence in Afghanistan to discredit us without any shred of evidence. This is a Goebellian tactic to make the accusations stick without any evidence at all. The US is playing a dangerous and deep double game here and our PM had unwittingly fallen prey three years back at Sharm-el-Sheik.

unwittingly?? or dimwittingly??

[abhijitm]

Our newest strategic "ally" uvacha:
India used Afghanistan as second front, financed problems for Pak: Chuck Hagel

India will generously interpret this as 'US compulsion at this critical stage'. We will not mind this because at the strategic macro level, India and the USA have convergence. There can be always wrinkles at a tactical micro level. I am just waiting for reactions on these lines.

Can India Russia moving forward on a ranging station and this sudden trip out of american tubelight be linked?

[Varoon Shekhar]

http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-US-Defenc ... 421972.cms

Pretty good discussion on Arnab Goswami's programme, about Hagel's comments, and Christina Fair is on it, sounding fairly reasonable. Though she makes some very vague comments suggesting India is not up to everything good in Afghanistan. She almost has to get those in. Sadanand Dhume is a guest too.

What is perplexing about commentators like Miss Fair and even this Raymond Vickers fellow( who is not anti-India at all) is that they won't *first* mention that India is doing good work in Afghanistan, that has been appreciated by the Afghan people, and by Karzai. Why not stress that issue first and foremost, then go into why Pakistan may not be enamoured of all that India is doing( if they must mention Pakistan attitude to India in Afg'n). Refer to the schools, hospitals, parliament building, roads, water treatment, power transmission, civilian aircraft, trucks, IT, educational and India's soft power wrt TV. movies et al. This, they and other commentators seem reluctant to do.

[Anujan]

Someone should go and ask them how much good US did to Afghanistan by first invading them and then now trying to talk to the taliban to reinstate them.

[RajeshA]

The whole narrative from Indian side should be about

1. Afghans appreciate India's developmental help
2. Pakistan has been killing and raping Afghanistan
3. America invaded Afghanistan and now they are abondoning it
4. America gave Pakis money and got its ass whipped by ISI

[arun]

X posted from the “Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc” thread.

Ejaz Haider in an article on Shia’s in the Express Tribune reveals that that the uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic have been stretched by their one time clients, the ununiformed jihadis of the TTP and their ilk. Apparently the operational tempo of the Uniformed Jihadi’s has been stretched to precarious levels:

Fact 1: The total strength of the army is about 550,000 troops. Out of this, around 110,000 are deployed in the operational areas in the west. Approximately 60,000 to 70,000 are deployed along the Line of Control as part of 10 Corps and Force Command Northern Areas. The rest are in peacetime locations, to be mobilised to defend the eastern border when required. Additionally, there are a number of other command and staff duties to be performed.

Fact 2: Armies generally operate on the 33.33 per cent principle. At any time, 33.33 per cent are deployed, the same percentage is in training and equal numbers, more or less, are resting and retrofitting. Pakistan’s internal war has thrown this awry. The deployment has gone up to 44 to 45 per cent, training retains the same percentage and the resting and retrofitting has gone down to about 12 percent. The ops areas tenure has upped from 22 months to over two years and a high percentage of units are now awaiting second and third rotation to the ops areas. Evidently a killer.

Fact 3: The Pakistan Military Academy has had to raise the 4th Pak Battalion because the internal war has taken a heavy toll of young officers. The officer-to-soldier kill ratio is very high, upped from 1:16 to 1:14 and now stands at 1:8. This means a shortage of YOs. (Some officers consider it a matter of pride; I consider it a weakness but that’s a separate topic.)

Corollary: the army is stretched thin. It cannot be everywhere and, quite apart from operations to wrest territory, is not meant to address the problem of urban terrorism. Even the counterterrorism sub-units in the Special Services Group, like the Zarar and Karar companies, are meant for fire-fighting, not gathering intelligence and pre-empting. ……………..

From here:

If a Shia, you are on your own

[anupmisra]

US Congressman Rohrabacher demands referendum in Balochistan

Key speaker at this conference, US Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, gave a poignant speech urging the right to self-determination for the Baloch people.

The Congressman requested a referendum to be held in Balochistan on the question of independence, which would challenge the claims by Islamabad that the Baloch want to be part of Pakistan.

“Unfortunately, it has been American money and American support for a vicious, murderous, gangster regime in Pakistan that has kept this violence and horrendous reality as part of the lives of so many millions of people who live in South Asia,” Rohrabacher said in his speech.

He called for Pakistani officials to be tried for war crimes.

The Khan of Kalat, Mir Suleman Daud called for a united Baloch front in the struggle against the horrors imposed on the Baloch people by Islamabad.

AoA!

[Anujan]

Corollary: the army is stretched thin. It cannot be everywhere

On the contrary paki army does seem to be everywhere at the same time. They are in politics, selling cereal, making cement, in think tanks, snooping on activists ....