Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

[Comer]

This guy is should have been the spinner in Baki kirket team.
Yes, of course. Paki smarmy is just waiting for those percentages to align itself so it can go after those non uniformed jihadis with vengeance. Alas, currently it is stretched(getting GUBOed maybe).
In tamil there is a crude saying which translates to laughing with your ass.

[member_23629]

There is nothing to suggest that India is involved in a big way in Baluchistan i.e weapons, training, sanctuary or even ideology. But the Baluchistan movement itself is progressive, in that it undermines the Pakistani ideology, military domination and oligarchy, and strives for a more democratic, pluralistic state and society.

What is actually stopping us from supporting Balochistani freedom fighters with arms and military training, and make the allegation come true? We have to do a Kashmir to Pakistan and pay it back in the same coin -- how hard is this to comprehend for the Congress party?

[member_22872]

Indian Perspective:
Good cop: US Congressman Rohrabacher
Bad cop : C.Fair, Hagel

TSP perspective:
God Cop: C.Fair, Hagel
Bad cop:US Congressman Rohrabacher

US has taken India to be a fool. Let them play with TSP, we should ask US to behave.

[ramana]

Corollary: the army is stretched thin. It cannot be everywhere

On the contrary paki army does seem to be everywhere at the same time. They are in politics, selling cereal, making cement, in think tanks, snooping on activists ....

Not to mention being jihad-e-fistula everywhere.

[member_20292]

Someone should go and ask them how much good US did to Afghanistan by first invading them and then now trying to talk to the taliban to reinstate them.

ssshhhhhhhhh anujanji dont tell the americans.

because they did us a huge favour by getting into afghanistan.

[Prem]

http://dawn.com/2013/02/27/a-tale-of-tw ... ommanders/
A tail of two mujahideen commanders

As the saying goes, durr ke dhol suhaney (distant drumbeats sound melodious). In the same sense, ideological propaganda is based on stories of far off, unseen lands where the great historic struggle for Sharia is being fought and the pangs of birth of a new egalitarian society is being heard. All the flowery adjectives are heaped on the struggle for new societies or great Arab springs and the jihad whether in Russia, Algeria, Palestine, Kashmir, Philippines, Chechniya or Afghanistan. It was only later that we realised the failings, human suffering, rapes and mass killings from these far off mystic lands that woke us up from dreaming of revolutions in our own country.few years later, my brother was getting married in Peshawar, and my younger brother who was had friends all over Peshawar wanted to celebrate this first wedding in family with style. He arranged a few dancers from Lahore for a mujra night. That was quite a tricky thing as it is not the mujra but the attendants who get rowdy and need to be controlled. Two maternal cousins, Lala and major sahib, who roamed about with body guards were given the duty to police the event. The bearded bodyguard of major sahib was showering notes on the dancer. After some small fights, the mujra concluded peacefully and I was asked to show the major and his bodyguards their rooms, biathaks (drawing rooms) borrowed from neighbours. I could only remember the ferocious and violent eyes of the bodyguard as he swayed back to his room. When I entered the room I saw empty bottles that explained his blood shot red eyes. He seemed a strange character, to be the bodyguard of major sahib but he acted as his friend and equal.When I asked my cousin what kind of mujahid commander is was. He laughed heartily and said, anyone can become a commander in Afghanistan. All he has to do is to arrange a few young men and some Kalashnikovs, dig in two spikes across the road, put a chain in between and start collecting taxes from passing vehicles. If you can arrange a few fellows and Kalashnikovs, viola! You too can become Commander Sabir Nazar!

( Glimpse of what is coming Next for Purelanders and thet dream of Conquring SDREs who cab blow them with SimpleBirp)

[Gus]

What is perplexing about commentators like Miss Fair and even this Raymond Vickers fellow( who is not anti-India at all) is that they won't *first* mention that India is doing good work in Afghanistan, that has been appreciated by the Afghan people, and by Karzai. Why not stress that issue first and foremost, ...

at this level, their entire reason for existence is BALANCE between india and pak. This balance is everything for them. That's why you won't see any of them speaking plain truth. May be once or twice here and there to get some cred going...or when they need leverage with the other guy.

We should never get all warm and fuzzy when some official US guy says something bad about pak. These people are not suddenly seeing the truth and speaking it.

[Lilo]

http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-US-Defenc ... 421972.cms

Pretty good discussion on Arnab Goswami's programme, about Hagel's comments, and Christina Fair is on it, sounding fairly reasonable. Though she makes some very vague comments suggesting India is not up to everything good in Afghanistan. She almost has to get those in. Sadanand Dhume is a guest too.

Well Well
I only wonder why CChristinefair has again stooped herself by attending an "indian media zoo" - last time (in 2011) she was properly POed and complaining to her paki fliends on teetar that no one cared or gave a special treatment to her sorry @ss in arnabs show



http://twitter.com/CChristineFair/statu ... 0486808577

[vishvak]

The whole narrative from Indian side should be about

1. Afghans appreciate India's developmental help
2. Pakistan has been killing and raping Afghanistan
3. America invaded Afghanistan and now they are abondoning it
4. America gave Pakis money and got its ass whipped by ISI

The first point also shows why the American statement is complete nonsense. Why would any sane fellow ignore this and talk of Pakistani interest outside Pakistan. Indians should have called this out as undermining interests of Afghanistan over Pakistan within Afghanistan and therefore totally insane.

[eklavya]

Presenting the white Pakistani in our midst, the darling of WKK and pseudo-secularists, Mr. William Dalrymple, doing equal-equal between Indian and Pakistan.

People like him need to be kicked out of India.

Rohit,

Thanks I will look into this some more as in the past I have enjoyed WD's writing.

If you have read "In Xanadu", you will know that his links with Pakistan pre-date his engagement with India. The Brits are frightened by the collapse of the Pakistan they created and the uncontrollable strength of the India they tried to destroy. I just laugh at idi*ts like Dalrymple who think they have any relevance.

[SBajwa]

William Dalrymple is a closet paki. All his books
1. return of the king in afghanistan.
2. city of the Djinns (about delhi)
3. White Mughals (about white women who married mughals or mughal women who married English)

etc. are about the mughals who were ruling and their "virtues" he needs to be branded as closet paki and be shunned.

[SSridhar]

If a Shia, you are on your own

Ejaz Haider in an article on Shia’s in the Express Tribune reveals that that the uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic have been stretched by their one time clients, the ununiformed jihadis of the TTP and their ilk.

Corollary: the army is stretched thin. It cannot be everywhere and, quite apart from operations to wrest territory, is not meant to address the problem of urban terrorism. Even the counterterrorism sub-units in the Special Services Group, like the Zarar and Karar companies, are meant for fire-fighting, not gathering intelligence and pre-empting. ……………..

The PA is deployed in FATA doing what ? He is just creating an excuse for the deliberate inaction by the Sunni state and its Janissarries.

[Anindya]

William Dalrymple is a closet paki. All his books
1. return of the king in afghanistan.
2. city of the Djinns (about delhi)
3. White Mughals (about white women who married mughals)

etc. are about the mughals who were ruling and their "virtues" he needs to be branded as closet paki and be shunned.

I wish I had the time to do this, but unfortunately its a little crazy for me - but a well placed article (even within Indian publications) comparing British colonialism and subsequent thievery with Nazi genocides and Paki criminality, would quickly have these turds start showing their true colors.

[ramana]

WD claims to be a desendent of the Nizam's harem and an East India Company Official who was posted as the Resident of the Comapny. So he is claiming to be of mughal descent. That explains his world view.
Although the Nizam by proclaiming himself the Nizam had severed the relationship with Mughals.
The first Nizam's name was Chin Quilich Khan and he was Central Asian Turk.
There are lot of British elite who owe their position to the largesse of the EIC-Muslim connections.

[Prem]

Pakistan naval officer injured in Karachi shooting

Shia Jiya Nahi Jayee

A Pakistani naval officer has been shot and injured in an attack in the port city of Karachi.Police in Karachi say that the officer was travelling alone in his car when he was shot, and that they believe there may have been more than one attacker.The incident is the second attack on a Shia naval officer this monthOn 7 February, another Shia naval officer, Lt Commander Syed Asif Hussain Kazmi, was injured following an explosion in his car near the Karsaz naval base in Karachi. He had to have one leg amputated after the attack.Pakistan's navy has been the target of a series of attacks claimed by al-Qaeda and the Pakistani Taliban in the past, the BBC's M Ilyas Khan reports from Islamabad.Those attacks were thought to be a response to the use of naval surveillance aircraft to identify and target Taliban hideouts in the northwest, and also the arrest of pro-Taliban elements within the navy.
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[SBajwa]

by Ramana

There are lot of British elite who owe their position to the largesse of the EIC-Muslim connections.

Exactly!!! They are the progeny of Mughals who were not fit to be called "Mughal" due to their "birth". Only females who looked "White" married into elite, the male who looked "White" supported British and became ICS officers, and male/females who looked Brown like Indians became "Anglo Indians" i.e. "Christians" for other jobs (Railways, etc). no offense to anyone!!

[kancha]

Here's the reason why Rabbi Shergil (of Bulla Ki Jaana fame) sings in Punjabi so well - His mother was from 'their' Punjab!

[James B]

Nuggets from TFT

Women wearing lenses will face God's wrath

Weekly Jarar says women are not allowed to wear contact lenses. It is a great sin. When women wear lenses, the color of their eyes becomes attractive and lures strangers. Such women will face the wrath of God.
Women can also not wear sunglasses because it makes them look seductive and invites male attention.


Revealing clothes cause breast cancer

Writing in Khwateen Ka Islam, Aapa Hammad says 53% women suffer from breast cancer in Pakistan. The reason is that they wear thin and revealing shirts, which are forbidden in Islam. Breast cancer is a wrath of God for such women

[pankajs]

Pakistan’s Hazaras to take up arms over attacks

QUETTA: Ismatullah holds an AK-47 and checks vehicles on the road. “Enough is enough. We have no trust in the security forces any more and we’ll protect our community ourselves,” says the teenage Shia student.

Outlawed extremist group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ) claimed responsibility and has threatened to exterminate all Shias. Few believe that dozens of men rounded up after the bomb attacks will ever be brought to justice.

Pakistan’s Supreme Court and rights groups accuse the authorities of failing to protect Hazaras and now young men like 18-year-old Ismatullah are taking up arms to defend themselves and their families.

[pankajs]

x-post

'US diplomatically paralysed in Afghanistan due to Pakistan'

[pankajs]

US Congressman declares Dr Shakil Afridi an ‘American hero’

WASHINGTON: US Congressman Dana Rohrabacher introduced a resolution in the House of Representatives declaring Dr Shakil Afridi a hero.

The sponsors of the resolution include Representatives Bachmann, Gerlach, Higgins, Hunter, Lummis, Poe, Salmon, Loretta Sanchez and Stockman, the statement added.

Congressman Rohrabacher has previously introduced bills calling for Balochis to be given right of self-determination, and for Dr Afridi to be given the Congressional Gold Medal.

[SSridhar]

x-post

'US diplomatically paralysed in Afghanistan due to Pakistan'

Do they admit to defeat ? Can Pakistan now claim to be the only country in the world to have defeated both the superpowers ?

[member_23252]

Pakistan should be declared a Sunni state - Maulana Ludhianvi (Chief of Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat (ASWJ))

MAL: We believe that Sunnis have a clear majority in Pakistan. They are 97 percent of the total population of the country. The country should be declared a Sunni state and all the Sunni factions can make rules accordingly. The president, prime minister, chief justice of the Supreme Court and all other offices should be held by Sunnis. You can take the example of Iran where Shia are in majority and they have declared the country a Shiite state. If they can do it why we cannot go for this? Shia, in Pakistan, should be declared a minority and they can live peacefully like other minorities.

[Brad Goodman]

Damaging vitamin-A derivative

I HAVE been told that some dermatologists are freely prescribing vitamin A derivative (Isotretinoin) to young fertile women without telling them its teratogine (growth retardation of fetus) and hepatotoxic effects.

My question to doctors is: if you cannot prescribe this medicine to your daughter, how come you advise others without preliminary tests and consent?

Should we conclude that it is to get benefit from drug companies of B category? Doctors are the most educated class of our country. It is not expected of them to behave like quacks. Please think over it.

A CITIZEN
Karachi

[SSridhar]

Fazl stresses Army's role in Taliban talks

Justifying PA's entry into talks. The TTP has already rubbished Comedienne Rehman Malik's efforts. It always demanded serious stakeholders. Now Fazl-ur-Rehman has come out openly with who should talk to the TTP. The PA has so far displayed coyishness, as part of a deliberate strategy, about involving itself in these talks. It even said that armed action was the only way though it has been refusing to take any action and always demanded a unanimous parliamentary decision on this matter of military action. So, the drama is unfolding as we knew it would.

[Aditya_V]

Pakistan should be declared a Sunni state - Maulana Ludhianvi (Chief of Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat (ASWJ))

MAL: We believe that Sunnis have a clear majority in Pakistan. They are 97 percent of the total population of the country. The country should be declared a Sunni state and all the Sunni factions can make rules accordingly. The president, prime minister, chief justice of the Supreme Court and all other offices should be held by Sunnis. You can take the example of Iran where Shia are in majority and they have declared the country a Shiite state. If they can do it why we cannot go for this? Shia, in Pakistan, should be declared a minority and they can live peacefully like other minorities.

ANd wheels go round and round

[arun]

X Posted from the “Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc” thread.

AHRC appeal of three days ago ie: 25th, which discloses the story that the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Occupation Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan had tortured a Kashmiri youth to death by using amongst others an electric drill besides nailing his feet:

PAKISTAN: A young man was tortured to death in military custody in Pakistan Occupied Jammu And Kashmir

More today on the story from the BBC:

Pakistan army begin probe into Kashmir 'torture' death

[arun]

US Congressman declares Dr Shakil Afridi an ‘American hero’

WASHINGTON: US Congressman Dana Rohrabacher introduced a resolution in the House of Representatives declaring Dr Shakil Afridi a hero.

The sponsors of the resolution include Representatives Bachmann, Gerlach, Higgins, Hunter, Lummis, Poe, Salmon, Loretta Sanchez and Stockman, the statement added.

Congressman Rohrabacher has previously introduced bills calling for Balochis to be given right of self-determination, and for Dr Afridi to be given the Congressional Gold Medal.

Perhaps convenient cover for annoyance at the cessation of the flow of funds from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to grease policy makers in the US caused by the jailing of Syed Ghulam Nabi Fai . If memory serves, Dana Rohrabacher was a recipient of the largesse, subsequently returned when Syed Ghulam Nabi Fai was outed by the US's FBI.

[jamwal]

You really can't make this up:
China wants to find PM2.5 a Chinese name, Netizens chime in

It’s another heavy smog day in Beijing, and the Chinese government finally decided to do something about it – to find PM 2.5 a proper Chinese name.

According to Xinhua News, the official news agency of China, the country’s National Committee for Terms in Sciences and Technology plans to give an official Chinese name to PM2.5, a Western term that has become an extremely high-frequency word in China in the past year.


PM 2.5 means particulates or particulate matters smaller than 2.5 micrometers in diameter (about 0.0001 inches). PM 2.5 level (quantity per cubic meters) is a relatively new standard for air quality. In the past, there used to be TSP (Total Suspended Particulate) and PM 10 (particles with a diameter of 10 micrometers), both of which have corresponding Chinese names. For example, PM 10 is Sniffable Particles (back-translated from its Chinese name of “可吸入颗粒物”).

PM 2.5, though a buzz word, has never been given an official Chinese name; and that’s unacceptable. For the Chinese government to effectively manage PM 2.5 (or anything really), it, of course, needs to be talked about in Chinese first.

[Baikul]

Pakistan should be declared a Sunni state - Maulana Ludhianvi (Chief of Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat (ASWJ))
.........

That link leads to a very interesting (IMO) interview of Dr. Ayesha Siddiqa (she wrote Military Inc.: Inside Pakistan's Military Economy).

Not a lot is new, but it gives readymade context to rising Sunni led terrorism in Punjab, the impending Shia mass wajib-ul-cuttletting and Nawaz Sharif's party's close connection with the jihadists.

For folks who're not that clued in, this is as good a place as any to start.

Excerpts:

What happens post 2014:

I haven’t said that after 2014 the focus of militancy will be on sectarian violence only but I am saying that these militant organisations that have sectarian violence as part of their larger agenda will strengthen and thrive in the country. Anti-Shiism is one of their agenda.......he other part of their philosophy pertains to expanding their political strength within and outside the territory.

How the jihadists are going to foment more violence and become more mainstream:

LeJ is part of the larger Deobandi network that is connected with other groups like SSP, JeM, HuM and HUJI. Also, it has the Tableeghi Jamaat and JUI-F network to depend on......here is a general perception that bringing these parties into politics will indeed result in their mainstreaming and creating an opportunity to wean them away from violence. However, the violent portion will continue to exist and expand. In fact, it will be able to justify itself and hide better due to this mainstreaming.

LeJ and the Deobandi network has expanded quite well in parts of North Punjab and most of South Punjab. They are now getting into Sindh as well. They are playing a role in Sindh Urban and linking up with MQM-H. They are focused on their ideology which means strengthening of a Sunni state that sees the minorities in a certain role. Minorities will always be considered as half citizens.

Nawz Sharif's the brave 'loin' of Punjab and PML-N's compromise with terrorists:

The PML-N leadership has a history with the LeJ. It tried to curb it during the 1990s but was taken to task through a terrorist attack aimed at killing the then Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. In 2008, the PML-N seems to have adopted a new strategy that is based on cooperation rather than conflict with the LeJ. There are stories of a deal struck at that time...

The Punjab government seems to have tried to make the best of a situation. In an environment where it was not allowed to take any action against these various outfits, and there was the fear factor as well, they decided to deal with it by sleeping with the enemy. There are reports of seat adjustment between PML-N and LeJ which now calls itself ASWJ for 2013 elections.

How the loonies are all the same:

The TTP, LeJ and Afghan Taliban are all ideologically tied if not organisationally. They keep getting strength from each other and have fought together. Al-Qaeda now has local franchises which means prominence of these local Punjab-based outfits. We also need to understand that the traditional al-Qaeda was dominated by Arabs. The LeJ types have inherited the larger agenda of creating a Sunni Islamic state and fighting all those considered as enemies.

Shias of Pakistan, beware y'all:

I have been to villages that follow JeM and LeJ in South Punjab, for instance, where they express displeasure of the Shias and Barelvis. The Shias are considered a greater enemy than the Barelvis who are only treated as yet as fools who ought to be corrected. This thinking is in the police and other organisations of law and order as well. There is now a natural division in Punjab between Sunnis and Shias.

[member_22872]

Pakistan coach Whatmore needs to learn Urdu, says Hanif

I don't think this is happening in the team because how many of our players can communicate or speak English fluently?

I thought TFTA pakis speak better english than SDREs, as they are good at everything as compared to SDREs.

[Lalmohan]

whatmore should also develop strong neck and throat muscles just in case his 'cultural' conversion is not going fast enough...

[chetak]

whatmore should also develop strong neck and throat muscles just in case his 'cultural' conversion is not going fast enough...

maybe a little circumcision to show more cultural support and foster a sense of belonging?

[partha]

Till now at least 3 different persons (including Kayani himself) from army have assured and re-assured that there will be no army interference in the upcoming elections. Why this repeated assurances? I think exact opposite will happen.

[Prem]

whatmore should also develop strong neck and throat muscles just in case his 'cultural' conversion is not going fast enough...e]
maybe a little circumcision to show more cultural support and foster a sense of belonging?

How about Bend It Like Paki ?

(Bend Beta/i Paki ,Tumhe Paisa Milega; 3.5 Jaisa Qadardan Phir Kaisa Milega)

[Prem]

Hagle"s Bagle For Paki Stable

Pak asks India, Afghan to clear stand on Hagel's remarks

Pakistan Interior Minister Rehman Malik [ Images ] on Wednesday asked India [ Images ] and Afghanistan to make their positions clear on the alleged remarks by Chuck Hagel, the newly appointed United States Defence Secretary, that New Delhi has over the years "financed problems" for Islamabad in the war-torn country. Hagel, during a speech in 2011 said, "India for some time has always used Afghanistan as a second front, and India has over the years financed problems for Pakistan on that side of the border."Malik told reporters in Islamabad that he had asked Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai [ Images ] and Indian authorities to clear their positions on the matter.
The minister said Pakistan was a friend of Afghanistan, which has always supported and raised voice at all fora in favour of Afghanistan."I ask Afghanistan to clear its position that it is not involved in any terrorist activity. We have done the best on our part. I hope proper clarification would be issued, otherwise I would demand apology from both India andAfghanistan," he added.
Hs.To a question about dialogue with the Taliban [ Images ], the minister said that Taliban should bring forward reasonable people for the talks. He said the backbone of the Taliban had been broken and they had been weakened, adding that whenever they are weak then offer talks."We had offered the Taliban dialogue on different occasions but these offers were rejected," he said, adding the Taliban can move forward in an appropriate manner by appointing reasonable persons for talks.

[Prem]

http://world.time.com/2013/02/28/terror ... -pakistan/

Terrorized Ethnic Group to Form Force in Pakistan

Shiite leaders blame inaction by Pakistan’s security service for the rising violence against them in Quetta, the capital of southwestern Baluchistan province. They told The Associated Press recently that they are petitioning the provincial administration of Baluchistan to approve a Hazara-led defense force to work with local police.Retired senior police officer Faqir Hussein said he supported a special protection force, but warned that a Hazara-only one could spark even more sectarian conflict.
A city of nearly 3 million people, Quetta is divided into neighborhoods that include ethnic Pashtuns and Baluch — another minority that dominates Baluchistan province. Hussein said that the other groups often live and work in Hazara-dominated areas, but that Hazaras themselves rarely go outside their own neighborhoods.He said a mixed protection force would be preferable at checkpoints where the neighborhoods intersect. “If a Pashtun comes to a checkpoint, he won’t accept to be stopped and searched by a Hazara and that could start violence,” explained Hussein, who is a Hazara.He said there were parts of Quetta that are “no-go” areas for Hazaras because militant Sunnis are hiding among the local Baluch and Pashtun populations. While they might not support the militants, many local people are too terrified to turn them in.Among the worst parts of Quetta is Sariab Road, a main avenue that is dominated by Pashtuns and Baluch. It has been the scene of numerous attacks and bombings.Hussein turned down a job at the police training academy because he would have to drive along the avenue.“Not because I am a coward, but I also don’t want to commit suicide and it would have been suicide to drive everyday on Sariab Road,” he explained. “Today not one Hazara drives on that road.”

[hnair]

That Whatmore certainly sounds like he needs a bigger baki-size heart

[member_22872]

If most of the Paki players can't speak basic pinglish, but can only speak Urdu with Arabic accent, may be it means they graduated from corner madrassa university. No wonder TFTA Paki cricketers sport a long flowing, well groomed, henna smeared beards to the correct dimensions as described in the article 786 of Quran version 0.01, chapter 23.

[SBajwa]

A_Rai wrote:
Pakistan should be declared a Sunni state - Maulana Ludhianvi (Chief of Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat (ASWJ))

Quote:
MAL: We believe that Sunnis have a clear majority in Pakistan. They are 97 percent of the total population of the country. The country should be declared a Sunni state and all the Sunni factions can make rules accordingly. The president, prime minister, chief justice of the Supreme Court and all other offices should be held by Sunnis. You can take the example of Iran where Shia are in majority and they have declared the country a Shiite state. If they can do it why we cannot go for this? Shia, in Pakistan, should be declared a minority and they can live peacefully like other minorities.


ANd wheels go round and round

What type of Sunni will that be?

1. Barelvi
2. Deobandi
3. Bohra
4. Salafi

so! Branches of Shia like
1. Safavids
2. Ismailism
3. Ashayrias
4. Zaydis
5. Ghulat

and clubbed in with branches which are neither Shia nor Sunni like Qadianis.