Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[member_20317]

Ramdev refuses to endorse Modi as PM - http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/GUJ-AH ... 1-PHO.html

When asked to comment on eligibility of Gujarat CM Narendra Modi for the country’s top executive post, Ramdev exuded a strange silence which kept everyone present guessing. He, however, said that ‘it was early to comment on Modi's candidature'.

Is it a closet Kongi

Is it an RSS stooge

No that's Ramdev in saffron langot.

[Hari Seldon]

Folks, whilst we have a good collection of Eng media stories on NM and dynasty, could we also hear what the vernacular press and tv are saying? Links to Hindi newspaper stories would be much appreciated. Other languages, if folks can provide a quick few-line translation of story gist.... just to see what and how much the talk is outside our angrezi echo chamber...

[Arjun]

Then again, Kongis wanted this silly debate to dominate people's mindspace for some time. They got it.

You think that's all there is to this scheme ? That the Dynasty wanted a diversion from the focus on Modi's governance and track record ?

You see no danger that the Wharton technique can be used in India by the Dynasty to effectively ensure that SRCC-type events by Modi in the runup to the elections can be drastically cut down ?

[vera_k]

India is not USA. Police will be expected to make preventive arrests or worse for any jokers protesting against a politician. Truly, in this case the blame falls on Wharton, since they could have reported the threats to police for preventive detention.

[Arjun]

India is not USA. Police will be expected to make preventive arrests or worse for any jokers protesting against a politician.

We are not talking about demonstrations at the venue of a speech. We are talking about an invitation being scuppered before it even fructifies, ala Wharton.

[vera_k]

They tried that at SRCC, remember?

[member_20317]

^^^ and they failed.


No Arjun ji,

I do not really see the applicablity. If the DU facchas or student community in India decides to join the political battle from any one side they invariably cannot be controlled by a few buddhijeevis. Say for example in our case, if they decide NM lead BJP is better then Kongis they will simply vote for ABVP and congregate on Ram Lila Grounds. Just the DU has got 35000 regular students and if you remember last time Chidu had to mount an attack he had to muster in 5000 policemen from out of town for about 25000 regulars at the 1st Baba Ramdev rally. The scales are absolutely different. The hold of the buddhijeevis is tenuous at best. Only the MSM hold is strong but that is not the differentiating factor since it was there earlier it will remain so in future too.

The whole of 1st Anna Rally when AK was still a follower was in essence a faccha rally. All youngsters all damn pis_e_ off and you just had to see the kind of cussing these younsters indulged in during the 1st Anna Rally. Any Sanghi would have been ashamed.

The environment in a US business school and in India is completely different. Even more different then the Apache vs. LCH deployment disparity.

[SwamyG]

Am I correct in assuming you don't think Rushdie/Litfest issue relates to freedom of expression?

Yes, you are correct. If it is a private festival, then they have the right to invite or deny anyone as they please. At the same time, people have the right to criticize their double-standards, cowardice and what not. I will stick my head further out, MFH had the right to paint the way he did, and Hindus had the right to get offended. Was it a wise thing to do? Nope. Similarly, a private temple should be able to make rules for its governance and allow select devotees within its premises. So if somebody goes inside a temple and shouts against the gods, and the temple authorities throw him out....he cannot claim his freedom of expression was infringed. Private temples should have the right to deny entry, but is it a wise thing in 21st century? Nope.

Point being, Freedom of expression is a very dicey thing, and Courts of different countries have struggled and walked on egg shells implement.
Reality is that, it is not implemented all the time fairly, and Freedom of Expression has limitations in USA as well as India.

Freedom of expression is when, you go to a public square and politely criticize MMS, or you write blogs, assemble people peacefully and voice opinion against MMS, you could create TV station, newspaper etc to draw attention to flaws of MMS. You do not have freedom to insist JNU give you a platform to criticize MMS.

This is a private forum, and we are at the mercy of admins and the owners. I still remember JEM's warning to me when I insisted on some dopey thingie....I was pushing the envelope so to speak.

added: Ravi_g i have a question on ADD/ADHD later in nukkad or elsewhere....

[Arjun]

They tried that at SRCC, remember?

So? They would have been hugely emboldened if Wharton fiasco had not been denounced sharply and would succeed in future attempts.

Anyway, lets not waste more back and forth on this.

Some here like Ravi-g and Swamyg clearly feel that this whole Wharton event is a diversion and responding to it is stupid.

There are others like myself who believe that NOT responding to this blackmail and intimidation tactics by the Dynasty would be stupid. This is just part of a much larger attempt by the Dynasty to deny the most popular politician in India any platform for him to present his views before Indian and international audiences. And this raises troubling questions on freedom of expression and electoral campaigning that need to be addressed.

[nawabs]

UPA's dual power centre affected growth: BJP

http://post.jagran.com/upas-dual-power- ... 1362575617

[Arjun]

The environment in a US business school and in India is completely different. Even more different then the Apache vs. LCH deployment disparity.

DU might be a special case. lets take some Univ in South India or Kolkata...my contention is that the Wharton technique can be easily replicated to deny Modi a platform. Most Indian Humanities departments as just as dominated by leftists as the US equivalents, if not more.

Why only Universities? We had some printing press meet recently apparently call off an invite to Modi. Whether that particular incident turns out to be true or not, all the debate in the last few days WILL now put such intimidators on the backfoot. The debate has been extremely helpful from that standpoint.

[SwamyG]

Some here like Ravi-g and Swamyg clearly feel that this whole Wharton event is a diversion and responding to it is stupid.

Wrong. I did not oppose responding to it, I oppose responding to it in a stupid manner. Scoring self-goals and appearing as loony as the left is not the way to go.

Here is the deal. During the initial days of BJP, it appeared a lot different from INC and people with stature joined it. See respectable, educated and qualified/experienced people join BJP, more people were attracted towards it. Later on BJP went on to become almost another INC....there are still traces of it being different from INC and better than INC. Those traces are the only hope for India to escape another INC regime.

Modi, is clearly one of the best candidates to emerge from BJP stable, and people have come to his side because of his vision and accomplishments. He is not a Laloo or JJ or Mamta, making a buffoon out of himself. He expects others to measure him on his performance and vision. Granted he is a politician, and he is not perfect and there is hype.....yet there is an air of credibility around him. He gets more credible when more credible people join and support him. More loonies join him, more INC and Leftist loonies are going to point to these to the aam admi to dissuade them from voting Modi.

That is all I am saying.....lend more credibility to Modi, by being equally honest, credible, ethical (and dharmic) ityadi. Why make others laugh at us for no reason? When there are plenty of reasons for us to laugh at them, saar.

Last post, from moi, on this topic.

[Arjun]

More loonies join him, more INC and Leftist loonies are going to point to these to the aam admi to dissuade them from voting Modi.

You refer to some loonies in the media that you seem to be upset by. Can you name them? Are you talking of Minhaz Merchant and several others who have written articles on the issue of Wharton and freedom of expression ? Who are these folks who are not being honest, dharmic etc. that you refer to ?

[kmkraoind]

Modi, Manmohan, Rahul: We love hypocrisy, false modesty

Weakness and non-achievement ensure political longevity; strength and success draw envy and create enemies. Is it any wonder we never end up achieving much as a nation? We celebrate failures, or half-failures, but we will never praise genuine success.

The Indian approach to power is schizophrenic. Like the proverbial blade of grass which bends with every passing wind, power in India needs you to pretend weakness while exercising strength in other ways. This means compromising with the wrong things, and resisting the right things. Manmohan Singh maintains high personal honesty while allowing dishonesty to flourish all around. Sonia Gandhi exercises power without responsibility.

The mighty oak, in contrast, stands firm against passing winds, but crumbles only when faced with the most severe of storms.

Manmohan and Modi are personifications of the grass blade and the mighty oak. One survives forever without doing much; the other stands for something, and is thus vulnerable occasionally to a mighty storm.

The choice for Indians is clear, whether you pit Manmohan or Rahul Gandhi against Modi.

And their strengths and weaknesses are clear.

One subtly plays to the Indian psyche of hypocrisy, false modesty and powerlessness. This has been the Indian way for long.

The challenger stands for change, a specific agenda, self-confidence. You may not agree with what he stands for, but you know where he stands and where you do.

These types of articles will not come without overt backing of the group owners (Mukesh Ambani). It seems its not a simple hedging, but outright support.

[member_20292]

MISSIONARY MAN

New Delhi: Narendra Modi’s struggles may be rooted to his indomitable individuality. He has no time for dynasty to which the political establishment pays lasting homage. He rejects the identities of caste and community and addresses Gujaratis as an indivisible number of 6 crore people who have voted him chief minister three times in a row. His political economic genius is his own and like Churchill’s wartime brilliance does not come from having studied in any of the so-called great universities. The Indian establishment that dreads individuality and talent will try to keep him out but young India which has risen above narrow identities sees him as the future. Narendra Modi will come and on his own terms.

Modi left home at the age of 16 and never went back. He apparently does not romanticize this phase of his life but it tells something of his character. Not many Indians of the post-independence generations have done such a thing and are still less likely to do so now. It does not make them inferior but it renders Modi different. Fewer people know that he spent two years at Dakshineshwar, where Ramakrishna Paramahamsa attained enlightenment, and that he cares to dwell on sharing a first name with Paramahamsa’s greatest disciple, Swami Vivekananda.

All this perforce makes Narendra Modi a loner. According to people who know him, he has no friends. He is politically close to Arun Jaitley, on good terms with Ram Jethmalani, respects J.Jayalalithaa, and so forth. But always, there is a reserve about Modi, an invisible wall that keeps him separate. He has no hangers-on. No one can claim any intimacy with him, and certainly not the industrialists who get the odd photo-opportunity with the Gujarat chief minister. When he is in Delhi for a government or party meeting, he checks into Gujarat Bhawan just in time, and departs the capital at the first opportunity. No late-night parties for him, or secret assignations. Narendra Modi is clueless about leisure. It is work, work and work.

Clubby Delhi does not like such people. It is scared. It is understandable that the Congress party and the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty so oppose him. But he also strikes fear among the middlemen of Delhi who have survived regime-change because of their astonishing capacity to network. They tried with Modi and failed. He is immune to networking.

Nor does he succumb to rent-seekers. Why is his own party in Gujarat and in the Centre, the Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangha and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad unhappy with him? Because he does not tolerate their rent-seeking or interference in Gujarat’s affairs. In his challenge to Modi in the 2012 assembly election, Keshubhai Patel obtained covert support across the political class. Keshubhai supporters known to this writer advanced the stock caste and communal calculations to predict Modi’s defeat. Whilst a small honest section of the Central bureaucracy is looking forward to work with Modi, the majority are terrified that he will clean up their rackets.

In other words, Narendra Modi is a game-changer unknown to Delhi who is feared and loathed and therefore to be countered. He speaks the blunt truth which jars the compromised political establishment of the Centre, Left and Right and the main actors of the ruling and opposition parties. He has become a political giant in spite of the shrill and mendacious mainstream media campaign. Ten years of brutal personal assaults have made him invincible. In a limited sense, Modi is the creation of his opponents.

With other self-made men, Modi shares a quality that exults in “virtuous exertion”. The end to such exertion is exertion itself. He will exert the system to reinvent India and, among other things, unleash its entrepreneurial panther energies. Those that go to Big Bazaar for its modest prices would encounter products of many new manufacturers based in Gujarat. That is a preview of how Modi will make India a manufacturing colossus. To listen to some of his plans for Gujarat is to be spell-bound.

The opposition to Narendra Modi from his own party at the Centre, however, would not make easy his shift to Delhi. He knows this and is said to be untroubled. His view is that the country should want him enough to lead it. He puts more faith in the people than in his own party. All the same, he will come to Delhi on his terms. He will not be a nightwatchman. Most of us may never gain an understanding of the man who may be India’s prime minister after 2014, but those would that left home forever at 16.

http://www.newsinsight.net/Missionaryma ... age=page-1

I really enjoyed this article . Spread it far and wide...

[harbans]

The Big issue visa a vis US Goi/ Wharton uninvite is not just a 'Freedom of Speech' issue, which it is. It is so simply because of the fact that assorted pressure groups can prevent 2 parties from interacting with each other at will, even when such interaction breaks no laws, no rules. So yes indeed it can be seen on par curtailing interactions of literary groups with Rushdie etc. The parallels make sense and have been rightly pointed out.

Yet there is a bigger issue at stake here. One fundamental that is common in Western and Indian law. That a person is presumed innocent till proven guilty. Technically NM is as guilty as RG in 84, particularly as the comment 'when a big tree falls, the ground shakes' kind of comment. RG was invited to the US and it never struck anyone to hound RG on 84. Another case of one of the biggest rights violators, constitutional usurpers is Musharaff. Despite known violations of rights, particularly killings of Baluchi's etc, not only Mushy gets privileged Visa entry, he addresses all kinds of elite gatherings in US Universities and circles without a hint of any moral prick.

Leaders that incite murder and hate have been repeatedly getting visa's to UK. Owaisi for example recently returned from the UK. So if these stalwarts of hatred can be granted audiences and visa's and invites it is ironical that NM should be treated as such. The loss IMHO is not NMs, the credibility of those that are opposingi him in this manner including the US and EU as well as some of their prime institutions is at stake. Yes indeed i can invite XYZ to my home humbly, and just before he comes disinvite him. Sure he will not come again, but it is me that will look indecent. I lose by doing so, i belittle myself, not the guest.

A known Baloch muirderer, human rights abuser, constitutional usurper and court convicted fraudster like Musharaff can be invited to talk without qualms, yet Modi cannot by some Institutions, so whose credibility is falling here. Modi's or the Institutions. What high principle can they now espouse if one does so. And this is being done under immense media spotlight. Modi comes out clean and untainted. the US/ Wharton in this instance lose credibility with millions more after this incident.

[Aditya_V]

A known Baloch muirderer, human rights abuser, constitutional usurper and court convicted fraudster like Musharaff can be invited to talk without qualms, yet Modi cannot by some Institutions, so whose credibility is falling here. Modi's or the Institutions. What high principle can they now espouse if one does so. And this is being done under immense media spotlight. Modi comes out clean and untainted. the US/ Wharton in this instance lose credibility with millions more after this incident.

You left the Biggest criminal act, A GENERAL WHO LEAD ARMY who performed WAR CRIMES, mutlilation of enemy soldiers in Kargil, trained ununiformed soldiers to shoot children and women Chitisinghpura and Kaluchak, inspecting Ilyas Kashmiri's trophy

Such is justice where a General is not responsible for what his Army does but a CM is responsible for Riots ignited by vested interests.

[RajeshA]

Yet there is a bigger issue at stake here. One fundamental that is common in Western and Indian law. That a person is presumed innocent till proven guilty. Technically NM is as guilty as RG in 84, particularly as the comment 'when a big tree falls, the ground shakes' kind of comment. RG was invited to the US and it never struck anyone to hound RG on 84. Another case of one of the biggest rights violators, constitutional usurpers is Musharaff. Despite known violations of rights, particularly killings of Baluchi's etc, not only Mushy gets privileged Visa entry, he addresses all kinds of elite gatherings in US Universities and circles without a hint of any moral prick.

harbans ji,

the West would always side with Islam in its conflict with Dharmics, and the propaganda would also be molded accordingly. This is the little balm the West puts on Islam after carrying out its wars in Muslim countries and using Islam for its own global agendas.

So if some Islam-loving Indian Marxists are spewing hate against a Dharmic hero, then it is all the better because in this case even Islam does not need to show its hand, the Indian Marxists with convenient Hindu names are more than sufficient.

[Arjun]

The Big issue visa a vis US Goi/ Wharton uninvite is not just a 'Freedom of Speech' issue, which it is. It is so simply because of the fact that assorted pressure groups can prevent 2 parties from interacting with each other at will, even when such interaction breaks no laws, no rules. So yes indeed it can be seen on par curtailing interactions of literary groups with Rushdie etc. The parallels make sense and have been rightly pointed out.

Yet there is a bigger issue at stake here. One fundamental that is common in Western and Indian law. That a person is presumed innocent till proven guilty.

Great points, Harbans ji.

The 'innocent until proven guilty' clause is one that has been clearly breached by these US-Indian leftists for the loongest time. There is also the freedom of expression (or freedom of mutual interaction, if you will) issue out here, though it is obviously not a legally enforceable one. Practically everyone (including Tharoor from the Congress) is agreed on that matter & on the impropriety of Wharton's conduct - so I am surprised by the vehemence of some folks out here taking a contrary stand.

Perhaps the vehemence is due to steps like this: US Free Speech group protests Wharton's decision cancelling Narendra Modi's invitation

The supporters, under the banner of 'Americans for Free Speech', in a mass email asked people to write to the top management of Wharton School, America's top business school, and the University of Pennsylvania against the decision taken by the WIEF to rescind its invitation to Modi.

The email contains contact details and phone numbers of more than a dozen officials of WIEF and the Wharton School.

While the protestors are right in raising the issue, they need to be careful that it is raised in a manner that public opinion lands up supporting them rather than being turned off. They need to be on top of all PR aspects..

[Muppalla]

Ramdev refuses to endorse Modi as PM - http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/GUJ-AH ... 1-PHO.html

When asked to comment on eligibility of Gujarat CM Narendra Modi for the country’s top executive post, Ramdev exuded a strange silence which kept everyone present guessing. He, however, said that ‘it was early to comment on Modi's candidature'.

It is expected. If he endorses Modi, his folks would be rotting in jail with CBI, ED all over his locations. The congress party is smart and they will not put Ramdev in jail but they will his life miserable if he does not follow their foot steps.

The great anti-corruption movement jokers:
Joker-1 - Anna Hazare (what is he doing now?)
Joker-2 - Arvind Kejriwal - Tells that Ambani has 45 rupees in swiss bank and Nitin Gadkari has one lakh rupees unaccounted - Westland payoff (great silence) - Joins the leftist groups. Starts a party so that it can help his masters to win again
Joker-3 - Baba Ramdev - Talks of great yoga but runs away wearing a sari and later helps congress party by putting his candidates in 100 constituencies
Joker-4- LKA, Sushma (after taking deep cuts from Reddy bros) and Anant Kumar - Still don't endorse Modi. Talks a lot of bring back wealth stashed in other countries. Probably thinking of taking a rath yatra to Switzerland. Cannot get Shiela Dikshit, YSR and other congress CMs who are indited by so called Lokayokta. However, they are great in making a self goal by screwing up Karnataka unit of BJP royally.

With such a illustrious pack, India marches on to remove corruption.

[Muppalla]

Axiom#1
Anyone who opposes or waits to endorse Modi and also calls themselves belonging to Sangh Parivaar is a pure anti-national
Axiom#2
Every single anti-corruption crusader who contests election instead of endorsing Modi or Congress party's primary opposition in states is a pure nation destructors by being part of the enemy - another definition of traitor
Axiom#3
Those non-BJP leaders who opposes Modi are honest and respectful than those who wears saffron and gives nationalist/hindutva speeches but finds silly reasons to oppose Modi

[Aditya_V]

With due respect Anna Hazare exposed INC but is not providing it an opportunity to divide voters unlike the AAM aadmi party jokers

[Sushupti]

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[member_20292]

Yet there is a bigger issue at stake here. One fundamental that is common in Western and Indian law. That a person is presumed innocent till proven guilty.

Great points, Harbans ji.

The US always presumes guilty until proven otherwise. Have you seen the amount of political correctness that people inthe US assume, when they are talking to each other? No room for error, all smiles. Transactional pleasantness is key.

The US does not allow for people to get into too much trouble. They either shoot them or lock them up if they do so. Largest prison population per capita.

Dominique Strauss Kahns perp walk...ruined his career. etc. etc. etc.

The American system is optimized for making money. All other parameters are sub-optimal.

[Sushupti]

[Sanku]

Excellent choice, perfect for his level of competence.

Sonia could at least handle man mohan, Rahul will need Shinde

[Sushupti]

Damadadgate2.0 going on at HeadlinesToday. Can't figure out what's C system motivation behind doing this?

[Sanku]

Dadadgate2.0 going on at HeadlinesToday. Can't figure out what's C system motivation behind doing this?

Umm didnt understand this at all. Please elaborate?

[RamaY]

The mainstream media is trying to do a cleaver propaganda on Congress' behalf.

They are trying to project Modi as a power mongering greedy person who is trying to subvert democracy by playing majority politics while depicting Rahul and MMS as some self-less and benevolent leaders who are pushed into leadership positions by the forces of democracy.

Bharatiya history is filled with examples of such misplaced ideologies and loyalties.

Our history is filled with selfish and cruel kings who weakened Bharatiya society by propagating false aHimsa in the name of one renuncial, self-less and coincidentally born into ruling family Buddha.

[वरुण]

Here goes the malnutrition argument.
Gujarat better than national average, and way ahead of Delhi.
http://www.niticentral.com/2013/03/06/g ... 52846.html

In other News:
Narendra Modi delinked by Germany from Gujarat Riots issue
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/naren ... e/1083502/

[ramana]

Dadadgate2.0 going on at HeadlinesToday. Can't figure out what's C system motivation behind doing this?

Whats the need to by cryptic in GDF! The whole point of the forum is one can post what is on the mind.
If you have to be cryptic in GDF maybe you need to be on e-mail onlee.

[prahaar]

Dadadgate2.0 going on at HeadlinesToday. Can't figure out what's C system motivation behind doing this?

I think it is a typo for Damadgate 2.0 - the land files. Damadji means Vadra saheb.

[Sushupti]

Sorry guys. I fixed the typo.

[ramana]

Maybe they want to be Gabbar Singh to Damad in order to launch Priyanka. Already the damad's family has become dead. Now they need to get him out so as to create a sympathy wave.

[Sushupti]

So only sponsor left is GOI. Mota Bhai's Color India pulls out as well.

http://deshgujarat.com/2013/03/07/color ... mic-forum/

http://www.whartonindia.com/

[RamaY]

Politics Party guy uvacha

Yet undecided states

UP - 80
Maha - 48
Ktaka - 28
Assam - 14
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Total = 170
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Voters are ready
MP - 29
Guj - 26
Raj - 25
Chttis - 11
UK - 5
Goa - 2
Jammu - 2
Others - 4
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Total = 104
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Plus coalitions
Bihar - 40
Jharkhand - 14
Punjab - 13
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Total = 67
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NDA
TN - 39
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Total = 39
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Total BJP = 137 (50% of coalition areas)
Total NDA = 210

If played well NM lead BJP can win 50% of the undecided areas taking the BJP tally to 185.

Note: He stopped showing Telangana as separate state. Puts all 42 seats for YSRCP

[Neela]

In other News:
Narendra Modi delinked by Germany from Gujarat Riots issue
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/naren ... e/1083502/

Of course they are going to. A country now surrounded by low-buying power neighbors is seeking markets to sell its wares.
BUt the Germans do not like unclear policies and ad-hoc decisions. Tell them what to do , how to do it and they will do it. The advantage Germans have is that they sell engineering machines and engineered products - so any which way they have something to sell. Modi could not have brought up so much investment in such quick time without streamlining the process. And this gets noticed by German businesses. They feedback to the Government. But the German Govt needs to look at the non-business aspects of things before these decisons. I am pretty sure they have given due diligence to these aspects as well. Straightforward guys who want to do business - they are simply not interested this drama and wailing.

[RoyG]

[Sushupti]

The Hijacking of Wharton
Rajiv Malhotra

"Ironically, these Indian professors specialize in scholarship criticizing colonialism, not realizing that now they are serving similar American policies on interventions in India. They are extreme leftists when it comes to protesting against imperialist interventions in places like Iraq, Libya, Syria and other failed states. But they switch sides when it comes to India, and play the same role for America in undermining India's sovereignty as the sepoys did. (The sepoys were Indian soldiers serving the British army to fight against other Indians.)"

"The jealous humanities departments often hold business schools in mild contempt, trivializing their pragmatic approach as "unintellectual." This distance between business schools and humanities worked out well for India. Business school students have been spared the brainwashing by humanities discourse that routinely paints India as a basket case ridden with caste, cows, dowry, slums and other scourges, ripe for rescue by Western interventions"

Meanwhile, the Indian sepoys are gleefully playing a double role -- presenting themselves as representatives of India while undermining it; and facilitating American interventions in India while claiming to be experts on postcolonial studies.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rajiv-mal ... 14421.html

[Atri]

bhai, ye banda hai kya cheej?

He jumps here and there and everywhere like an unstable lone electron in outer orbit of a free-radicle.. While praising NM eloquently, he nicely blames the "Hindus" and their concept of "karma" as reason for India's backwardness..

Did he miss NM frequently quoting Vivekananda and his Karmayoga? seriously, what is his standing? I see him on so many channels. I remember seeing him hyperventilating on an expert panel on some news channels when 26/11 was happening.. WTF..