The Islamists in Kashmir are alive and well.Supratik wrote:There may be a civil war type situation that may arise in Bd which should be used by India covertly to clean up the Islamists as we did in Kashmir.
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The Islamists in Kashmir are alive and well.
Not really inspite of Jilani, et al's bluster. 70,000 are in their graves. It is not dead but made severely impotent. Total destruction will need further work.
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Are you sure MMS & Shinde will allow that? be careful, Congress thinks they are potential future vote-banks once Bangbros seek mass-refuge in India.Supratik wrote:There may be a civil war type situation that may arise in Bd which should be used by India covertly to clean up the Islamists as we did in Kashmir.
By the way, Pranab da is in BD & it seems Khaleda Zia has refused to meet him. If anything Raw is capable of then they must prioritize to do something to this Motorham Khaleda, before dreaming to clean BD of Islamists, we can't even do that in Hyderabad with Owaisi pigs farting in every nook & corner

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Many of dead in Kashmir are innocent Civilians, Soldiers many times unarmed, Paramiltaries, families of soldiers killed by Pakistani soldiers not in Uniform. a.k.a Miltants.
We have hardly taught a lesson, UJC and core commanders who planned ,many operations are safe and regularly invited on to the Delhi circuit.
We have hardly taught a lesson, UJC and core commanders who planned ,many operations are safe and regularly invited on to the Delhi circuit.
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Just seeing news of Bomb explosion outside the hotel where the Indian President is staying.
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Aditya_V wrote:Just seeing news of Bomb explosion outside the hotel where the Indian President is staying.
This is needless bravado by the GOI.
The "visit" should have been postponed to a more suitable time.
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http://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2013/03/ ... desecrated
Temple vandalised, idols desecrated
Chanpainababganj Correspondent, bdnews24.com
Published: 2013-03-04 07:51:44.0 Updated: 2013-03-04 08:35:54.0
Miscreants set a temple on fire in Shibganj of Chanpainawabganj in the early hours of Monday.
Shibganj’s Upazila Executive Officer (UNO) AZM Sharjil Hasan said the incident took place at Boro Pekurtola Sharbojonin Puja Sangha at Alidanga in the municipality past 3am. President of the temple committee Milon Paul said the incident had created panic among the local Hindu community.
The civil and police administration officials of the Upazila visited the spot.
The incident comes on the second day of the two-day shutdown called by the Jamaat-e-Islami protesting the death sentence handed down to party stalwart Delwar Hossain Sayedee for war crimes in 1971.
Incidents of attack on the houses of the minority Hindu community in Chittagong, Barisal, Noakhali and Gazipur, loot of valuables and desecration of temples and idols were reported in the attacks.
The burned a part of the temple........"
Nothing changes.
Gautam
Temple vandalised, idols desecrated
Chanpainababganj Correspondent, bdnews24.com
Published: 2013-03-04 07:51:44.0 Updated: 2013-03-04 08:35:54.0
Miscreants set a temple on fire in Shibganj of Chanpainawabganj in the early hours of Monday.
Shibganj’s Upazila Executive Officer (UNO) AZM Sharjil Hasan said the incident took place at Boro Pekurtola Sharbojonin Puja Sangha at Alidanga in the municipality past 3am. President of the temple committee Milon Paul said the incident had created panic among the local Hindu community.
The civil and police administration officials of the Upazila visited the spot.
The incident comes on the second day of the two-day shutdown called by the Jamaat-e-Islami protesting the death sentence handed down to party stalwart Delwar Hossain Sayedee for war crimes in 1971.
Incidents of attack on the houses of the minority Hindu community in Chittagong, Barisal, Noakhali and Gazipur, loot of valuables and desecration of temples and idols were reported in the attacks.
The burned a part of the temple........"
Nothing changes.
Gautam
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^^ Wonder where all those $%#^@ Indian muslims are who were protesting at the plight of Burma muslims and desecrating their own national monuments and Buddha statues? Guess kaffirs getting brutalised by their co-religionists( on whose behalf they are ready to protest for) doesnt call for a second glance
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This one was really hard to watch. Everything they had is gone.Sushupti wrote:
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^^^ Hindus benefiting from the deep wisdom of Saint Gandhi in not allowing full transfer of population in 1947.
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NitiCentral has also been reporting similar news almost on a daily basis - but, unsurprisingly, we find little mention of this in our mainstream media outlets...
Islamic party wants to expel minorities, reunify with Pakistan
Islamic party wants to expel minorities, reunify with Pakistan
Dhaka (AsiaNews) - Acts of violence, especially against Bangladesh's Hindu minority, and strikes (hartal) continue across the country as Jamaat-e-Islami supporters call for reunification with Pakistan, and the creation of a "pure" state, free of its non-Muslim population.
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along similar lines, found the following comment in mediacrooks - fwiw
I have never been a right wing hindu, but i just got back from Dhaka today. Over the last one week the Hindu minority community in Bangladesh is being targeted for no known reason. These stories are on the front pages of every newspaper in Bangladesh.
The American Government has put out a statement saying that is unacceptable for such violence on minorities to take place. What surprises me is that there hasn't been a peep from the Indian Government as yet.Of course our President Pranabda was visiting Dhaka last week and perhaps did not want to mention such minor irritants lest he was not served his favourite Hilsa.
The Indian media has completely ignored this story, while it makes sure in case Muslims are targeted in Burma , timbucktoo..etc its breaking news.
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That's to be expected. Elections are around the corner. The sad part is that BJP and other nationalist forces are quiet too.Anindya wrote:NitiCentral has also been reporting similar news almost on a daily basis - but, unsurprisingly, we find little mention of this in our
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The pressure has to come from GOI not the opposition. Having said that there will be some short-time setback in order to clean-up the Jamat muck. An impotent Jamat will provide the space for Hindus in Bd. This is not going to go down well with the Islamists. So expect retaliation.
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Civil war is looking more likely with Islamists slowly mobilizing.
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BTW, the Jamat is also the main Islamist org in Assam and WB and is the force behind the AIUDF.
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So, much from the man once charged with rape, until the raped woman dropped charges, while agreeing to marry one of the alleged rapists (after conversion though).
The Monster Breathes Air
The Monster Breathes Air
The best thing about Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami (BJI) is that it doesn’t kill Hindus simply because of their faith. To be honest, the Jamaat pales into insignificance before monstrous Hindutva outfits that regularly target Muslims in India. This is the plain truth about the much-maligned Islamic party next door.
But does wearing Islam on their sleeves turn them into sworn enemies of India, or Hindus, who comprise 10 per cent of Bangladesh’s population? Is the Jamaat anti-India, or anti-Hindu, or both?
Neither Indian diplomats in Dhaka nor Hindu community leaders can recall a murder of a Hindu for purely religious reasons in years. Hindus have been killed by BNP-Jamaat followers, but were essentially victims of political vendetta. They were targeted not as Hindus, but because they were perceived as adversaries owing allegiance to the Awami League. It can be compared with political violence in West Bengal, where CPI(M)-Trinamool clashes regularly claim lives of political workers—many of them Muslims, and from either party.
A spokesman for the Hindu Buddhist Christian Unity Council (HBCUC) told Outlook that an elderly priest of a Hindu temple in Banskhali near Chittagong was beaten to death hours after Sayedee was sentenced on February 28, but Indian high commission officials insist that the death didn’t have religious overtones. Interestingly, in December 2012, a Hindu youth called Biswajit Das was killed in a union clash by members of the Awami League’s students’ wing, Chhatra League, in broad daylight. The 24-year-old victim was captured on camera screaming that he was an apolitical Hindu. Biswajit’s gruesome, cold-blooded murder has blotted the Awami League’s copybook.
The vicious attacks they suffer are economic in nature, but wreak havoc nonetheless. Their homes, shops and cultivable land are targeted, forcing them to migrate to India so that their properties can be appropriated. Hindu temples and women are special targets. The temples are desecrated, the women abducted and married after conversion at gunpoint. Even so, the HBCUC spokesman said that pogroms like Gujarat or Kokrajhar against the minority community are inconceivable.
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Bangladesh minorities 'terrorised' after mob violence
Minority Hindu and Buddhist communities bore the brunt of the attacks as their houses and temples were vandalised and burnt down.
"We heard the mob was coming towards our house. So, we just ran away. Our house was completely burnt. They looted all our belongings, including our savings. We have lost everything," Mrs Das says.
The village of Aladin Nagar, about 120km (75 miles) south of the capital Dhaka, was strewn with torn tin sheets, broken glass, food grain, damaged books and burnt bicycles.
Its residents have been living in fear since the attack and are afraid that they may be targeted again.
Hindu community leaders allege that the attacks were co-ordinated and widespread. So far, they say, more than 50 temples have been damaged and more than 1,500 houses destroyed in the attacks, which took place in nearly 20 districts over the last few weeks.
In some villages near the southern city of Chittagong, statues of Buddha were damaged and Buddhist temples were vandalised.
But the authorities say that such crimes will not go unpunished.
"We are fully committed to protecting the minorities. We have taken enough measures so that these people are not attacked in the future. We have also provided sufficient relief," Home Minister Mohiuddin Khan Alamgir told the BBC.
"This should not have happened. We feel sorry about it. It is not in the Holy Koran," Noakhali district cleric Mohammad Nurul Alam Bhuiyan said.
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Buddhist villages in Cox's Bazar district also came under attack by Muslim mobs last year, when an image allegedly insulting the Koran was posted on Facebook by a Buddhist youth. Many Buddhist temples were vandalised in the subsequent violence.
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Hindu community leaders say the attacks are systematic and have been going on for years. They say they are not only carried out by hardline Islamists but also by supporters of other mainstream political parties, including the Awami League and the main opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party.
The aim of the violence, Hindu leaders allege, is to grab land and other property. As a result, they say, many Hindus are fleeing to India to escape harassment, intimidation and violence.
"In 1947, Hindus constituted around 30% of the population," says Subroto Chowdhury, a Hindu community leader in Dhaka.
"Now it is less than 10%. Hindus are being warned to leave so that locals can take over their land and houses.
"Our community is being persecuted."
But Mr Alamgir, the home minister, says historically there have been movement of Hindus to India and Muslims to Bangladesh - because of various incidents.
"These are aberrations. The governments of the two countries are determined to make sure that they stay in full peace and security."
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Protect Bangladeshi Hindus, says Amnesty
Amnesty International has made an urgent appeal to the Bangladesh government to provide its minority better protection.
“The Hindu community in Bangladesh is at extreme risk, in particular at such a tense time in the country. It is shocking that they appear to be targeted simply for their religion. The authorities must ensure that they receive the protection they need,” said Abbas Faiz, Amnesty’s Researcher.
Survivors told Amnesty that the attackers were from the Jamaat-e-Islami and its student wing Islami Chhatra Shibir.
In the report, ‘Bangladesh: Wave of Violent Attacks Against Hindu Minority’, Amnesty gave the country’s war crimes trial as the context to the violence against the minority.
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From Niticentral....
3:21 pm: The Hindu temple was built 250 years back where around 10,000 people of adjoining villages offer their prayers.
3:19 pm: Islamists vandalised 23 idols of Shiva at a temple in Kaliganj upazila of Jhenidah, striking terror among the people of local Hindu community.
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From NitiCentral of today (March 13)
12:45 pm: Islamists vandalised five idols of Hindu Gods at a temple in Singra upazila of Natore in Bangladesh on Wednesday.
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@Anindya, based on my personal experience while sharing the information as you shared above, the educated class has a typical Westphalian attitude: that is Bangladesh, out of India, it is none of our business.
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You're right, but there are at least 3 audiences which may lend an ear, and all of these have limitations:prahaar wrote:@Anindya, based on my personal experience while sharing the information as you shared above, the educated class has a typical Westphalian attitude: that is Bangladesh, out of India, it is none of our business.
- Hindu organizations like HAF, which do publish reports
- counter-jihad bloggers who have started paying attention to what happens to Hindu-Muslim violence
- center-right bloggers and VERY few Indian journalists who will mention some of this
However, having said that, there are too many articulate, educated Indians who simply white wash and in some cases defend such violence.
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From NitiCentral
2:13 pm: Hindus have been offering prayers at this temple for the past 77 years
2:11 pm: Islamists damaged an idol of goddess Saraswati at a temple in Madhabpur.
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From Niticentral ....
5:37 pm: Islamists vandalised several idols at a temple in Gazipur on Monday night.
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Islamists vandalise four more Hindu idols in Gazipur
In a fresh attack on Hindus in Bangladesh, at least 15 people, including a freedom fighter and three women were beaten up in a hate attack in in Hatibandha upazila of Lalmonirhat on Friday night.
In another incident, Islamists vandalised four idols by setting fire to a temple in Sadar upazila of Gazipur district on Friday.
According to a Daily Star report, a gang of 10 in Lalmonirhat went to the house of freedom fighter Amulya Chandra Roy, 62, around 9:00 pm on Thursday and started beating him indiscriminately. As his family members and neighbours went to his rescue, they too were badly beaten up and had to be admitted to a local hospital.
The attackers fled the scene quickly.
None of the victims or community leaders would say anything about the attackers.
Although the victims restrained from revealing who were the attackers, some locals said the neighbourhood is surrounded by Jamaat strongholds and that Jamaat-Shibir men had a hand in the attack.
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Bangladesh strike: Shoot at sight orders issued
Bangladesh authorities have issued “shoot at sight” orders on Wednesday, as the main opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP) and its allies in the 18-party coalition enforced a nationwide 36-hour strike demanding resignation of the ruling Awami League government.
“Orders have been issued to shoot at sight the protestors who will be seen setting on fire trains, buses or carrying out sabotage of any other types. Home Minister Mahiuddin Khan Alamgir met with senior officers of police and other law enforcement agencies ahead of the hartal,” the mass circulation Prothom Alo newspaper reported.
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Bangladesh uses climate change excuse to demand migration to India,Western Countries.
The 2.4-metre-high barbed wire fence, double-walled in places, runs through lush rice fields, narrow canals and tall trees. Every hundred metres or so, there is a manned lookout. Guards also patrol on foot, guns in hand. Around them, farmers work, sowing and weeding.
It is formidable and menacing. It is the border between Bangladesh and India.
For decades, Bangladeshis easily traversed the border, seeking better jobs and a better life. In fact, Bangladesh was part of India until the British-led partition of 1947. Sometimes the border passes through villages, even buildings. Many houses have a front door in one country and a back door in the other.
About six years ago, worried about illegal migration, India began fencing the 3,800-kilometre border in earnest. Boat patrols were launched for the approximately 500 kilometres of border along rivers and deltas.
No one is sure how many Bangladeshi migrants are illegally in India. Estimates range up to 10 million, a figure Bangladesh says is greatly exaggerated.But the number is growing. Drastically changing weather has made low-lying land uninhabitable and left many Bangladeshis with no place to go. The country’s cities are already bursting.Experts predict about 250 million climate change refugees worldwide by mid-century. Of those, 20 million to 30 million are expected to be in Bangladesh. Many will head to the border.
India wants to keep them out.
“There is tension at the border,” says Atiq Rahman, a Bangladeshi and one of the authors of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report that predicted an exodus from Bangladesh and other climate hot-spots.
“Nobody treated it like a border (in the past). Now, even if a goat crosses the border, it’s a writeoff.”
Abdul Mian a Bangladeshi farmer who lives near the border .“The next big conflict will be because of climate change.” (So all the illegal migration in the last 45 Years is due to cliamte change!!!!! the Bhooka Nanga's convinently look for an excuse to migrate to Bluer pastures(Pun intended).They do not want to take reposnsibility for the over population and the consequent pressure they have wreaked on their limited resources)
Rahman is not alone in his warning. Sir Nicholas Stern, the eminent British climate change economist, several IPCC scientists and American law professor Andrew Guzman, author of Overheated: the Human Cost of Climate Change, are also worried.As temperatures warm, depleting water supplies and wrecking farmland, already-vulnerable countries in Asia, Africa and even the oil-rich Middle East could descend into conflict.
Stern, who authored the Stern Review in 2006 for the British government, has repeatedly said that failure to address global warming “could eventually lead to World War III.”
The fence between India and Bangladesh is a sign of the tension. The two countries share the waters of 54 rivers, a perpetual source of angst. Things came to a head last summer when India failed to sign the Teesta River treaty, which would have given Bangladesh access to more river water.
Rafiqul Islam, chair of the department of peace and conflict studies at Dhaka University, says the relationship between the two countries has long been strained by water sharing. “It stokes up passion on both sides . . . Now, the migration issue is playing out the same way.”
Ajai Sahni, chair of the Institute for Conflict Management in Delhi, notes that India is also dealing with internal climate change refugees. “India maintains it can barely handle demands for resources from its own citizens and should not have to accept victims of a problem caused by the western world.”
Newspapers in India frequently write about “intruders” caught at the border and about India’s Border Security Force shooting prowlers on sight.The Indian foreign affairs department declined to comment on how many people had been shot by border guards.However, a 2010 Human Rights Watch report called “Trigger Happy” concluded that more than 900 Bangladeshis had been killed at the border during the first decade of the 21st century.
It wasn’t always this way. In Choto Kaliganj, a village three kilometres from the Bhomra-Ghojadanga border crossing, people crossed casually when it was fenceless.“Nobody treated it like a border,” says farmer Abdul Mian, 26. People went over and back for work, for shopping, to meet friends and family.
“Now, even if a goat crosses the border, it’s a writeoff.”
Choto Vetkhali, a river village of 1,500 people, sits less than three kilometres from the Indian border at the edge of Sundarbans, the tidal mangrove forest.
Two years ago, there were at least 300 more residents (20% of population in just one village has migrated to India
) .Each week, villagers say young men cross the border in search of work. Almost every person in this cluster of mud-thatch homes has a relative who has illegally crossed the river.
But ever since a village man was shot dead by Indian guards and another family was captured while trying to swim across last year, cross-border migration has become secretive.
Raila Abdul is 37 but looks older. She doesn’t talk to strangers. “She doesn’t talk much” since her husband’s body was found in the river in April, says fellow villager Masmahan, who has only one name.He had been shot three times.
Abdul, who has three children, now works at a shrimp farm earning about $1 a day. Everyone knows her story. But it hasn’t deterred other migrants.
Muslima Assad woke up on a crisp November morning and found her son missing. His few clothes were gone and so were the savings — about $20 — that the 22-year-old kept hidden in the kitchen. He didn’t leave a note. But Assad knew where he had gone: India. She couldn’t eat until Jawed called a few days later to say he had safely reached Kolkata and would send money when he got a job.
Jawed’s friend Azaduzzaman, 25, also wants to leave. His sister and her husband left a year ago and live near Chandannagar near Kolkata. But Azaduzzaman has a wife, three children and elderly parents. He cannot afford to pay human smugglers. Azaduzzaman, who also goes by one name, says they charge about 2,000 Bangladeshi taka, or $25, and help people get fake IDs and jobs in India. He hears stories from his sister about a better life in India: a steady job, enough food. Azaduzzaman is afraid that he and his family will be left in their little village while everyone else flees.
Rahman, and others, believe Bangladeshi migrants should be allowed to move not just to India, but to the West.
“The countries which have played a role in triggering climate change, and thus displacing them, should have to take them in,” says the executive director of the Bangladesh Centre for Advanced Studies.He has a booming voice and frequently asks his three assistants for maps and literature to explain Bangladesh’s predicament. His office in Dhaka’s chic Gulshan neighbourhood is full of awards and citations.
“Bangladeshis should have the right to migrate to other countries,” he reiterates.
But getting the United States, the European Union and even Canada to accept millions of the world’s displaced people will be tough, he acknowledges. In fact, he says they are unlikely to be welcomed anywhere. In Canada, refugee claims made to the Immigration and Refugee Board are based on “race, religion, nationality, political opinion, membership in a particular social group; or (being) at risk of torture, death, or cruel and unusual treatment and punishment if returned to their home country,” said an official. Climate change is not accepted as a reason for a refugee claim.
Rahman shakes his head. He has proposed planned migration, to India and elsewhere.“Since we know what is happening and we have time, we should do it without any bloodshed.”
The 2.4-metre-high barbed wire fence, double-walled in places, runs through lush rice fields, narrow canals and tall trees. Every hundred metres or so, there is a manned lookout. Guards also patrol on foot, guns in hand. Around them, farmers work, sowing and weeding.
It is formidable and menacing. It is the border between Bangladesh and India.
For decades, Bangladeshis easily traversed the border, seeking better jobs and a better life. In fact, Bangladesh was part of India until the British-led partition of 1947. Sometimes the border passes through villages, even buildings. Many houses have a front door in one country and a back door in the other.
About six years ago, worried about illegal migration, India began fencing the 3,800-kilometre border in earnest. Boat patrols were launched for the approximately 500 kilometres of border along rivers and deltas.
No one is sure how many Bangladeshi migrants are illegally in India. Estimates range up to 10 million, a figure Bangladesh says is greatly exaggerated.But the number is growing. Drastically changing weather has made low-lying land uninhabitable and left many Bangladeshis with no place to go. The country’s cities are already bursting.Experts predict about 250 million climate change refugees worldwide by mid-century. Of those, 20 million to 30 million are expected to be in Bangladesh. Many will head to the border.
India wants to keep them out.
“There is tension at the border,” says Atiq Rahman, a Bangladeshi and one of the authors of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report that predicted an exodus from Bangladesh and other climate hot-spots.
“Nobody treated it like a border (in the past). Now, even if a goat crosses the border, it’s a writeoff.”
Abdul Mian a Bangladeshi farmer who lives near the border .“The next big conflict will be because of climate change.” (So all the illegal migration in the last 45 Years is due to cliamte change!!!!! the Bhooka Nanga's convinently look for an excuse to migrate to Bluer pastures(Pun intended).They do not want to take reposnsibility for the over population and the consequent pressure they have wreaked on their limited resources)
Rahman is not alone in his warning. Sir Nicholas Stern, the eminent British climate change economist, several IPCC scientists and American law professor Andrew Guzman, author of Overheated: the Human Cost of Climate Change, are also worried.As temperatures warm, depleting water supplies and wrecking farmland, already-vulnerable countries in Asia, Africa and even the oil-rich Middle East could descend into conflict.
Stern, who authored the Stern Review in 2006 for the British government, has repeatedly said that failure to address global warming “could eventually lead to World War III.”
The fence between India and Bangladesh is a sign of the tension. The two countries share the waters of 54 rivers, a perpetual source of angst. Things came to a head last summer when India failed to sign the Teesta River treaty, which would have given Bangladesh access to more river water.
Rafiqul Islam, chair of the department of peace and conflict studies at Dhaka University, says the relationship between the two countries has long been strained by water sharing. “It stokes up passion on both sides . . . Now, the migration issue is playing out the same way.”
Ajai Sahni, chair of the Institute for Conflict Management in Delhi, notes that India is also dealing with internal climate change refugees. “India maintains it can barely handle demands for resources from its own citizens and should not have to accept victims of a problem caused by the western world.”
Newspapers in India frequently write about “intruders” caught at the border and about India’s Border Security Force shooting prowlers on sight.The Indian foreign affairs department declined to comment on how many people had been shot by border guards.However, a 2010 Human Rights Watch report called “Trigger Happy” concluded that more than 900 Bangladeshis had been killed at the border during the first decade of the 21st century.
It wasn’t always this way. In Choto Kaliganj, a village three kilometres from the Bhomra-Ghojadanga border crossing, people crossed casually when it was fenceless.“Nobody treated it like a border,” says farmer Abdul Mian, 26. People went over and back for work, for shopping, to meet friends and family.
“Now, even if a goat crosses the border, it’s a writeoff.”
Choto Vetkhali, a river village of 1,500 people, sits less than three kilometres from the Indian border at the edge of Sundarbans, the tidal mangrove forest.
Two years ago, there were at least 300 more residents (20% of population in just one village has migrated to India

But ever since a village man was shot dead by Indian guards and another family was captured while trying to swim across last year, cross-border migration has become secretive.
Raila Abdul is 37 but looks older. She doesn’t talk to strangers. “She doesn’t talk much” since her husband’s body was found in the river in April, says fellow villager Masmahan, who has only one name.He had been shot three times.
Abdul, who has three children, now works at a shrimp farm earning about $1 a day. Everyone knows her story. But it hasn’t deterred other migrants.
Muslima Assad woke up on a crisp November morning and found her son missing. His few clothes were gone and so were the savings — about $20 — that the 22-year-old kept hidden in the kitchen. He didn’t leave a note. But Assad knew where he had gone: India. She couldn’t eat until Jawed called a few days later to say he had safely reached Kolkata and would send money when he got a job.
Jawed’s friend Azaduzzaman, 25, also wants to leave. His sister and her husband left a year ago and live near Chandannagar near Kolkata. But Azaduzzaman has a wife, three children and elderly parents. He cannot afford to pay human smugglers. Azaduzzaman, who also goes by one name, says they charge about 2,000 Bangladeshi taka, or $25, and help people get fake IDs and jobs in India. He hears stories from his sister about a better life in India: a steady job, enough food. Azaduzzaman is afraid that he and his family will be left in their little village while everyone else flees.
Rahman, and others, believe Bangladeshi migrants should be allowed to move not just to India, but to the West.
“The countries which have played a role in triggering climate change, and thus displacing them, should have to take them in,” says the executive director of the Bangladesh Centre for Advanced Studies.He has a booming voice and frequently asks his three assistants for maps and literature to explain Bangladesh’s predicament. His office in Dhaka’s chic Gulshan neighbourhood is full of awards and citations.
“Bangladeshis should have the right to migrate to other countries,” he reiterates.
But getting the United States, the European Union and even Canada to accept millions of the world’s displaced people will be tough, he acknowledges. In fact, he says they are unlikely to be welcomed anywhere. In Canada, refugee claims made to the Immigration and Refugee Board are based on “race, religion, nationality, political opinion, membership in a particular social group; or (being) at risk of torture, death, or cruel and unusual treatment and punishment if returned to their home country,” said an official. Climate change is not accepted as a reason for a refugee claim.
Rahman shakes his head. He has proposed planned migration, to India and elsewhere.“Since we know what is happening and we have time, we should do it without any bloodshed.”
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Nullyfy the India Partition First.
Dismiss the Partition resolution in Kolkotta.
Start Trial of the Direct Action Day of 1946
Remove Sharia law from the Bangladesh and all area in that region.
Dismiss the Partition resolution in Kolkotta.
Start Trial of the Direct Action Day of 1946
Remove Sharia law from the Bangladesh and all area in that region.
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^^^
Also, expose extreme British perfidy in being very soft and lenient when it came to Moslem rioters and rampagers in Calcutta, Rawalpindi, Lahore, Peshawar et al, but very trigger happy toward people opposing their continued rule( mostly Hindus, but really anyone).
Also, expose extreme British perfidy in being very soft and lenient when it came to Moslem rioters and rampagers in Calcutta, Rawalpindi, Lahore, Peshawar et al, but very trigger happy toward people opposing their continued rule( mostly Hindus, but really anyone).
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Regarding Imigration, Just like Europeans in the 16th to 19th Century wiped out the natives of North, South America, Australasia and moved in large numbers to Asia and Africa. Bangladeshis must given the same right to freely Migrate to the Middle east, Europe, North, South America, Australasia and similar countries which are under inhabited.
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X-post from Islamism and Islamophobia thread:
Three arrested in Bangladesh for defaming Islam
Three arrested in Bangladesh for defaming Islam
Three atheist bloggers in Bangladesh were today arrested here on charges of defaming Islam, as the government set up the country's first cyber crime tribunal to prevent exploitation of religion on the Internet.
The crackdown as well as the announcement came two days after Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina pledged stern action against people found guilty of defaming Islam using the Internet.
"We are amending both the Right to Information Act and the Penal Code toughening punitive measures for hurting the people's religious sentiments," Law Minister Barrister Shafique Ahmed told a press conference also joined by Home Minister Mahiuddin Khan Alamgir and two state ministers.
The trio, who were paraded in hand-cuffs at today's press conference, could face 10 years in jail if convicted under the country's cyber laws, which outlaw "defaming" a religion, deputy commissioner of Dhaka police Molla Nazrul Islam said.
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The existing 2006 Right to Information Act prescribes 10 years of imprisonment and penalty up to Taka 1 crore for hurting people's religious sentiments using the Internet.
The century-old Penal Code, on the other hand, suggests two years of imprisonment besides penalty for defaming religion and hurting people's religious sentiment.
Bangladesh authorities earlier banned the YouTube to prevent the viewing of a defamatory video which sparked worldwide protests in late 2012.
In February this year, they closed 12 blogs and Facebook pages for carrying out "malicious publicity" by suspected Islamists amid an intensified nationwide campaign against their leaders for 1971 war crimes.
But the mostly fundamentalist Jamaat-e-Islami and several other Islamist outfits have been alleging that young "anti-Islamic bloggers" were defaming Islam.
The young bloggers initiated a massive street campaign enforcing a round-the-clock vigil at Dhaka's Shahbagh Sqaure for over a month since February this year demanding toughest punishment for perpetrators of 1971 "crimes against humanity" siding with Pakistani troops in the name of protecting Islam.
The youngsters earlier rejected the allegation, calling it an effort to thwart the ongoing war crimes trial.
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Re: Bangladesh News and Discussion
^^^In all of the above - why do we not find the voices that shouted about the Rabindrasangeet singing, super-dooper biz connection developing, economic trade partnership sky-rocketing, the welcoming of honbl President of India, and the president of the Congress, and her children in BD - as inevitable swing towards defeat of any remnant Islamism - any remnant that is!
The lesson:
(1) If you leave Islamic institutions alive and kicking with no undermining, no destruction of bases, no erasure of resources, no abolition of the status, authority and dissemination of the textual memes - one day - Islamist jihadi violence will lay that society low
(2) Islamism cannot be tackled by tolerating its claims of immunity from criticism
(3) "secular" forces can never crush Islamists. They are more likely to split into compromising majority and non-compromising minority whom the other faction helps the Islamists to destroy.
(4) "secular" approach to Islam fails because it is self restricted in applying all the techniques that Islam applies.
BD is proceeding exactly on the lines that I predicted whereby the BD society is divided roughly into 40% covert Islamists (AL and co)+40% overt Islamists (BNP and co)+10% vacillating bewteen covert and overt +10% secular. The 10% seculars will never win. BD society won its freedom of Pak becuase of Indian intervention - and because one section of Islamists saw Paki Islamist as competitor for the land and resources and women that they had hoped would be their sole loot once they could chase the "Hindus" out through partition.
The secular/cuture/language memes were the only available excuse and cover by which to drive this struggle against Pakis. Once the purpsoe was served - the Leftists and radicals of the language movement and the "freedom" movement - were systematically qatled. BD has always been Islamist from its foundations and will remain so. Their sole ambition will always remain expansion of Islam at the cost of India and Indian hindus - and in this they will be helped by the Hindu-phobic upper UP power base of dhimmi+mullah alliance, who have always seen the eastern end of GV as problematic.
The WB self-flagellating radicalism that swung from intense anti-British movement to Islamophilic communism as manifested through the insurgent and Bose fiascos - is somethingw e much bash Bengalis about. But they have always been between the fire and hot oil. They know from centuries of experience that they will always be betrayed by the UP-wallahs who have turned dhimmi and protect and expand mullah interest, and on the other side teh Islamist base in BD will always target them for annihilation. And people still expect them to toe the Delhi lines always or be selflessly patriotic in not coming to their own local compromises with the Islamists.
The root cause of BD islamism lies in the Nehruvian hatred and fear of both Islamic claims to central power and rivals in personal power, as well as hatred and fear of the "distant other" world of Punjab and Bengal - far far from their centre of the world in NW UP. The correction lies not in BD - but in Delhi. The correction lies the complete destruction of the base sof the ideological power centres of the subcontinent - the ulema institutions of UP, and their networked Hindu allies who control most of the trans Indian GV based Islamist channels of resources, people and influence.
The lesson:
(1) If you leave Islamic institutions alive and kicking with no undermining, no destruction of bases, no erasure of resources, no abolition of the status, authority and dissemination of the textual memes - one day - Islamist jihadi violence will lay that society low
(2) Islamism cannot be tackled by tolerating its claims of immunity from criticism
(3) "secular" forces can never crush Islamists. They are more likely to split into compromising majority and non-compromising minority whom the other faction helps the Islamists to destroy.
(4) "secular" approach to Islam fails because it is self restricted in applying all the techniques that Islam applies.
BD is proceeding exactly on the lines that I predicted whereby the BD society is divided roughly into 40% covert Islamists (AL and co)+40% overt Islamists (BNP and co)+10% vacillating bewteen covert and overt +10% secular. The 10% seculars will never win. BD society won its freedom of Pak becuase of Indian intervention - and because one section of Islamists saw Paki Islamist as competitor for the land and resources and women that they had hoped would be their sole loot once they could chase the "Hindus" out through partition.
The secular/cuture/language memes were the only available excuse and cover by which to drive this struggle against Pakis. Once the purpsoe was served - the Leftists and radicals of the language movement and the "freedom" movement - were systematically qatled. BD has always been Islamist from its foundations and will remain so. Their sole ambition will always remain expansion of Islam at the cost of India and Indian hindus - and in this they will be helped by the Hindu-phobic upper UP power base of dhimmi+mullah alliance, who have always seen the eastern end of GV as problematic.
The WB self-flagellating radicalism that swung from intense anti-British movement to Islamophilic communism as manifested through the insurgent and Bose fiascos - is somethingw e much bash Bengalis about. But they have always been between the fire and hot oil. They know from centuries of experience that they will always be betrayed by the UP-wallahs who have turned dhimmi and protect and expand mullah interest, and on the other side teh Islamist base in BD will always target them for annihilation. And people still expect them to toe the Delhi lines always or be selflessly patriotic in not coming to their own local compromises with the Islamists.
The root cause of BD islamism lies in the Nehruvian hatred and fear of both Islamic claims to central power and rivals in personal power, as well as hatred and fear of the "distant other" world of Punjab and Bengal - far far from their centre of the world in NW UP. The correction lies not in BD - but in Delhi. The correction lies the complete destruction of the base sof the ideological power centres of the subcontinent - the ulema institutions of UP, and their networked Hindu allies who control most of the trans Indian GV based Islamist channels of resources, people and influence.
Re: Bangladesh News and Discussion
B,
Just complaining about Islamism in the Bengal region and blaming others is not enough.
What do you propose as the strategy that India should adapt? Short of military intervention or a LTTE type of solution.
Why blame others when the Bengalies themselves are confused and running around like a plucked chicken? Even if we assume that all non-Bengali politicians especially Hindi-speaking ones are out to get Bengalies which I find a lot of Bengalies complaining about what initiatives Bengali politicians both Communist and non-Communist have taken to counter Islamism in the Bengal region for the last 40 yrs specially after the left came into prominence. The Tamils fought a 30 yr civil war in SL. What have Bengalies done? Except vacillating between being tormented and impotent rage.
I am aware of your knowledge on a lot of things but in this case I think your complaints are misplaced.
Just complaining about Islamism in the Bengal region and blaming others is not enough.
What do you propose as the strategy that India should adapt? Short of military intervention or a LTTE type of solution.
Why blame others when the Bengalies themselves are confused and running around like a plucked chicken? Even if we assume that all non-Bengali politicians especially Hindi-speaking ones are out to get Bengalies which I find a lot of Bengalies complaining about what initiatives Bengali politicians both Communist and non-Communist have taken to counter Islamism in the Bengal region for the last 40 yrs specially after the left came into prominence. The Tamils fought a 30 yr civil war in SL. What have Bengalies done? Except vacillating between being tormented and impotent rage.
I am aware of your knowledge on a lot of things but in this case I think your complaints are misplaced.