Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Mar 2013 08:21

RamaY wrote:^ I don't think the discussion is about woman's rights or their equality with others.

The discussion is can the 'woman's rights (whatever they may be depending on our goals)' be a useful tool to destroy Islamism?

Saar you are welcome to discuss what you want. But please allow me leeway to discus what I want. Why try and impose uniformity of talk and topic like Islam?

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 13 Mar 2013 10:30

British Moslem community is in action: Rohingya Journalism Fund

Code: Select all

http://rohingyajournalismfund.blogspot.nl/

SUNDAY, 10 MARCH 2013

The importance of this project
I'd like to give a bit more of a picture of how this fund idea came about, and why we consider it such an important project:

We have received reliable reports that a third round of violence against the Rohingya (and very likely Kaman) minority groups in Burma is being planned, and is likely to be executed in the near future (around the turn of the month.) So far international media coverage of the persecution and ethnic cleansing of the Rohingya has been relatively limited, despite the situation being extremely grave and getting steadily worse- but if we can document the latest conflagration on the ground this could change all that.

In the case of the Sri Lankan civil war, it was only when the appalling nature of the atrocities visited upon Tamil civilians were exposed by the work of Sri Lankan journalists and Channel 4 that the international community began to get really serious about seeking accountability and others became aware of the suffering of the victims.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 13 Mar 2013 23:20

France24.com:
Taqiya, or the terrorist ‘art of deception'

A year after the Toulouse attacks by Mohamed Merah (pictured), French counterterrorism experts are monitoring the practice of "taqiya" - or deceiving society by concealing one’s faith – and its uses in jihadist circles.

Nearly a year ago, as one of France’s longest-ever police sieges was about to end on the morning of March 22, 2012, Mohamed Merah – also known as “the Toulouse gunman” – uttered a cry that seemed enigmatic to the uninformed, but was weighted with meaning for counterterrorism experts.

“It’s not the money, it’s the deception that’s critical,” said the 23-year-old French-Algerian shortly before he jumped off his Toulouse apartment window and was gunned down by an elite French anti-terror unit.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Mar 2013 03:54

ABC News Pro-Jihad Coverage "San Francisco leaders denounce Muni ads a
Jihad Ad; Killing Jews is Wroship

[youtube]OS7IJ_BG1aY#t=64s[/youtube]

member_23834 · Post by **member_23834** » 14 Mar 2013 16:28

http://kannada.oneindia.in/news/2013/03 ... 72261.html

arun · Post by **arun** » 14 Mar 2013 21:54

X Posted from the “Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013” thread.

As the BRF dictionary would say, Joh Mirpur mein gaan** woh London mein bhi gaan**.

Mohammadden peer of the UK, Lord Nazir Ahmed, detects a “Jewish conspiracy”:

Pakistan-born UK peer suspended for 'Jewish conspiracy' talk

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 15 Mar 2013 00:47

Islam, Communism, And Black Panthers Are Indoctrinating Texas Children -- Fingers Crossed!
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The Co-dependent: Pork DNA found in primary school's 'Halal' sausages
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Economist: Green glass ceilings: How Muslim clerics turn jihadist

WHY pious and peaceable Muslims turn to ultraconservative and even violent versions of the faith is a subject of great interest for scholars and policymakers. But so far little effort has gone on studying the radicalisation of the clergy.

Now Rich Nielsen of Harvard University has examined the books, fatwas (religious rulings) and biographies of 91 modern Salafi clerics, as well as of 379 of their students and teachers. He found that the main factors behind radicalism are not poverty or the ideology of their teachers (as might be assumed) but the poor quality of their academic and educational networks. {Aha!}

Such contacts determined the clerics’ ability to get a good job as imam or teacher in state institutions. In Saudi Arabia and Egypt, where most of the 91 came from, the government has long co-opted religious institutions. Those who failed to land a job were more likely to avow violence as a tool for political change.

Mr Nielsen reckons he has proved causation by controlling for other factors—eliminating the chance that those more inclined to extremism shun state jobs, for example. “It’s about a glass ceiling,” he says. “Clerics who don’t get positions must compete to appeal to an audience. Jihadist views are a way of making themselves appear credible, since there is often a high cost associated with it, such as prison time.” {aka a temper tantrum}

His research may help those seeking to stem the rise of radical preachers. Rather than spending a fortune snooping on them and then jailing them, it would be cheaper to offer them a decent job. {aka jiziyah}

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The Co-dependent: Student found with 'terrorism manual' Norman Idris Faridi facing jail after being turned down job at London 2012

An engineering graduate who applied to work at the Olympics is facing jail for a terror offence.

Norman Idris Faridi, 32, was turned down after applying to work at the Millennium Stadium, Cardiff, where footballing events were held.

He was later found to have a terrorist manual, 39 Ways to Serve and Proceed in Jihad on his external hard drive and in a deleted file.

akashganga · Post by **akashganga** » 15 Mar 2013 18:58

Now muslims are after Arya Samaj http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... -hindu-man

The ruling was given by a division bench of justices Pius C Kuriakose and P D Rajan while considering the case of a Muslim woman and a Hindu man who married at an Arya Samaj mandir in Kozhikode on December 28 last year.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 15 Mar 2013 21:56

akashganga ji,

this is the wrong thread. This thread is only for ABROAD! I've reposted it in the "The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition" Thread.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 16 Mar 2013 02:43

Muslim Brotherhood Statement Denouncing UN Women Declaration for Violating Sharia Principles

Muslim Brotherhood slams proposed UN CSW document which contradicts principles of Islam and destroys family life and entire society.

The 57th session of the UN Commission on the Status of Women (CSW), taking place from March 4 to 15 at UN headquarters, seeks to ratify a declaration euphemistically entitled ‘End Violence against Women’.

That title, however, is misleading and deceptive. The document includes articles that contradict established principles of Islam, undermine Islamic ethics and destroy the family, the basic building block of society, according to the Egyptian Constitution.

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A closer look at these articles reveals what decadence awaits our world, if we sign this document:

1. Granting girls full sexual freedom, as well as the freedom to decide their own gender and the gender of their partners (ie, choose to have normal or homo- sexual relationships), while raising the age of marriage.

2. Providing contraceptives for adolescent girls and training them to use those, while legalizing abortion to get rid of unwanted pregnancies, in the name of sexual and reproductive rights.

3. Granting equal rights to adulterous wives and illegitimate sons resulting from adulterous relationships.

4. Granting equal rights to homosexuals, and providing protection and respect for prostitutes.

5. Giving wives full rights to file legal complaints against husbands accusing them of rape or sexual harassment, obliging competent authorities to deal husbands punishments similar to those prescribed for raping or sexually harassing a stranger.

6. Equal inheritance (between men and women).

7. Replacing guardianship with partnership, and full sharing of roles within the family between men and women such as: spending, child care and home chores.

8. Full equality in marriage legislation such as: allowing Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men, and abolition of polygamy, dowry, men taking charge of family spending, etc.

9. Removing the authority of divorce from husbands and placing it in the hands of judges, and sharing all property after divorce.

10. Cancelling the need for a husband’s consent in matters like: travel, work, or use of contraception.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 16 Mar 2013 02:53

British right-wing racist fascism targets Moslem minority:
UCL bans Islamic group after segregation row

A London university has banned an Islamic organisation from its campus, after it attempted to segregate an audience at one of its debates by gender.

However, not to worry...
Why is Prince Charles so attracted to Islam? - (Note: the author is British Iranian).

Prince Charles reveals he's been having Arabic lessons for six months so he can read the Koran

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 16 Mar 2013 03:29

^^ no wonder all the idiots who fail to use their own brain or have original thinking power gets attracted to something which was thought over and presented as religion.

I don't believe pastiche works from few of the earlier religions constitutes a new religion. It is like dell vs MacBook. Dell has numbers but power of creative thinking and substance lies with MacBook owners.

And so called surge of Islam in later twentieth century is all thanks to oil. Otherwise it was already a dieting cult living on oxygen.

akashganga · Post by **akashganga** » 16 Mar 2013 04:26

Carl wrote: Prince Charles reveals he's been having Arabic lessons for six months so he can read the Koran

Remember princess diana died along with her muslim boy friend.

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 16 Mar 2013 05:42

ashish raval wrote:^^ no wonder all the idiots who fail to use their own brain or have original thinking power gets attracted to something which was thought over and presented as religion.

I don't believe pastiche works from few of the earlier religions constitutes a new religion. It is like dell vs MacBook. Dell has numbers but power of creative thinking and substance lies with MacBook owners.

And so called surge of Islam in later twentieth century is all thanks to oil. Otherwise it was already a dieting cult living on oxygen.

All thanks to oil?

Then how were Bipin Chandra Pal & Lothrop Stoddard so accurately able to predict the coming storm before they got oil?

According to Pal writing in 1923:

"The same thing is likely to happen in the Islamic world also; and the fall of Turkey in Europe will hasten this combination. It will not be an organized confederacy like that of China and Japan, but a far more dangerous, because more subtle, combination of the hearts of countless hordes who hold nothing so dear, neither land nor life, as their religion. And the real strength of this Pan- Islamic outburst will come from Egypt and India [which then included present-day Pakistan and Bangladesh], where it will be safe from the crushing weight of the Pan-European confederacy. England will not allow her European confederates to interfere with her own domestic affairs; such interference would break up the confederation at once. She will have to settle this Pan-Islamic problem, so far as it may affect her own dominions, herself."

http://kalchiron.blogspot.ca/2010/11/bi ... sh-of.html

Some quotes from Stoddard:

"The brown world, like the Yellow world, is today in acute reaction against white supremacy... The great dynamic of this brown reaction is the Mohammedan Revival…

"Islam's warlike vigor has impressed men's minds ever since the far-off days when its pristine fervor bore the Fiery Crescent from France to China. But with the passing cycles this fervor waned, and a century ago Islam seemed plunged in the stupor of senile decay. .. Yet at this darkest hour a voice came crying from out the vast Arabian desert, the cradle of Islam, calling the Faithful to better things. This puritan reformer was the famous Abd-el-Wahab, and his followers, known as Wahabis, soon spread the length and breadth of the Mohammedan world, purging Islam of its sloth and rekindling the fervor of its olden days. Thus began the great Mohammedan Revival.

"That revival, like all truly great regenerative movements, had its political as well as its spiritual side. One of the first things which struck the reformers was the political weakness of the Moslem World and its increasing subjection to the Christian West… The result in Islam was a fusing of religion and patriotism into a 'sacred union' for the combined spiritual regeneration and political emancipation of the Moslem World...

"No more zealous Moslems are to be found in all the ranks of Islam than those who have sojourned longest in Europe and acquired the most intimate knowledge of its sciences and ways. Mohammedans are keenly alive to the ever-shifting uncertainties and divisions that distract the Christianity of today, and of the woeful instability of modern European institutions."

- The Rising Tide of Color by Lothrop Stoddard, 1920

To this Islamic civilization all Moslems are deeply attached. In this larger sense, Pan-Islamism is universal. Even the most liberal-minded Moslems, however much they may welcome Western ideas, and however strongly they may condemn the fanatical, reactionary aspects of the political Pan-Islamic movement, believe fervently in Islam's essential solidarity. As a leading Indian Moslem liberal, The Aga Khan, remarks: "There is a right and legitimate Pan-Islamism to which every sincere and believing Mohammedan belongs—that is, the theory of the spiritual brotherhood and unity of the children of the Prophet. The real spiritual and cultural unity of Islam must ever grow, for to the follower of the Prophet it is the foundation of the life and the soul."[57]

If such is the attitude of Moslem liberals, thoroughly conversant with Western culture and receptive to Western progress, what must be the feelings of the Moslem masses, ignorant, reactionary, and fanatical? Besides perfectly understandable fear and hatred due to Western aggression, there is, among the Moslem masses, a great deal of genuine fanaticism caused, not by European political domination, but by religious bigotry and blind hatred of Western civilization.

- The New World of Islam by Lothrop Stoddard, 1921

This is a phenomenon going well beyond oil money, the latter was only an aid not the catalyst.

akashganga · Post by **akashganga** » 16 Mar 2013 07:07

Surasena wrote: All thanks to oil?
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Then how were Bipin Chandra Pal & Lothrop Stoddard so accurately able to predict the coming storm before they got oil?

This is a phenomenon going well beyond oil money, the latter was only an aid not the catalyst.

This has been going on right from the time the prophet founded the religion. He was opposed by other arabs of his time and those opposing were ruthlessly put down. In every century you can find arabs and converted muslims ruthlessly putting down kafirs and those who question them. This will go on well after oil runs out of arabia.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 16 Mar 2013 10:34

akashganga wrote:
Carl wrote: Prince Charles reveals he's been having Arabic lessons for six months so he can read the Koran
Remember princess diana died along with her muslim boy friend.

How is the moron preparing for circumcision?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 17 Mar 2013 00:39

The Execution of the Saudi Seven: Saudi Arabia's farcical justice system condemned seven young men to death this week, and the world remained silent.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 Mar 2013 00:47

Carl wrote:Why is Prince Charles so attracted to Islam?

Prince Charles reveals he's been having Arabic lessons for six months so he can read the Koran

Perhaps he is rediscovering his family's origins. If true, this should explain why the brits do what they do.

Burke’s Peerage: Queen Elizabeth II Descended from the Prophet Muhammad

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 17 Mar 2013 01:21

anupmisra wrote:
Carl wrote:Why is Prince Charles so attracted to Islam?

Prince Charles reveals he's been having Arabic lessons for six months so he can read the Koran
Perhaps he is rediscovering his family's origins. If true, this should explain why the brits do what they do.

Burke’s Peerage: Queen Elizabeth II Descended from the Prophet Muhammad

Questions for the gurus: Is everyone from the Hussein line also his follower? Which side of the Shia-Sunni divide (if any) does her lineage put Elizabeth in? Also, if she has Islamic lineage and is not a Muslim herself, does that make her an apostate? And finally, the most important question of all - does her (ancestors') apostasy or having more Shia/Sunni blood make her wajib-ul-cutlet?

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 17 Mar 2013 02:07

The best way to convert a people is through royal patronage of the religion, very effective through royal decrees or through financial means at disposal, they can 'help the poor realize their true path of salvation'. If that doesn't work, there are other ways at their disposal anyway like intimidation. All the three are desert religions anyway, many time mutually compatible, so for them, conversion is easy. Instead of Jesus they just have to say Mohammad. Of course, they have to go an extra mile of adding (PHBU) everytime they utter his name for the fear of becoming a cutlet...but hey look at the bright side, they get 72 unwashed peaches, it is worth all the trouble.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Mar 2013 03:19

anupmisra wrote:
Carl wrote:Why is Prince Charles so attracted to Islam?

Prince Charles reveals he's been having Arabic lessons for six months so he can read the Koran
Perhaps he is rediscovering his family's origins. If true, this should explain why the brits do what they do.

Burke’s Peerage: Queen Elizabeth II Descended from the Prophet Muhammad

Not just Queen Elizabeth but every royal somewhere may have some connection to Mohammed. Similarly one can say, all Royals of the world, including Queen Elizabeth is descended from Rama. This is of course all a nonsense quest, but what is interesting is that the grounds are being laid for the eventual conversion of the Royal Family to Islam.

In fact the Windsors would be the first monarchy in Europe to convert to Islam eventually with the British Elite doing so very quickly after that. How else to perpetuate their habit of loot!

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 17 Mar 2013 04:15

^^ while princes make merry in shooting the pure's in Afghanistan.
All pr exercise for sheikh hospitality and $ inflows to londonistan.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 17 Mar 2013 04:23

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-18056322

Queen 'should remain Defender of the Faith' - BBC poll

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But while the rocking-horse was speaking two boys stole away, unnoticed by their parents, from a house on the edge of the waste place, and were coming across it looking for adventures. One of them carried a broom, and when he saw the rocking-horse he said nothing, but broke off the handle from the broom and thrust it between his braces and his shirt on the left side. Then he mounted the rocking-horse, and drawing forth the broomstick, which was sharp and spiky at the end, said, "Saladin is in this desert with all his paynims, and I am Coeur de Lion." After a while the other boy said: "Now let me kill Saladin too." But Blagdaross in his wooden heart, that exulted with thoughts of battle, said: "I am Blagdaross yet!"

Lord Dunsany

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 17 Mar 2013 05:41

RajeshA wrote:Why is Prince Charles so attracted to Islam?

Not just Queen Elizabeth but every royal somewhere may have some connection to Mohammed. Similarly one can say, all Royals of the world, including Queen Elizabeth is descended from Rama. This is of course all a nonsense quest, but what is interesting is that the grounds are being laid for the eventual conversion of the Royal Family to Islam.

In fact the Windsors would be the first monarchy in Europe to convert to Islam eventually with the British Elite doing so very quickly after that. How else to perpetuate their habit of loot!

Kudos to Ramanaji for predicting this.

Lesson for Bharat - http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 9#p1280979

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Mar 2013 07:14

Given the story that was told to me (and other tourists) on a boat by a student punter on the River Cam flowing past King's college in Cambridge about Prince Charles's stint there, I wonder how it would affect his relationship with Islam?

Charles had a bodyguard at the college and developed a "relationship" with him. The relationship continued through the Diana days, but at last when the coast was clear the bodyguard had a sex change operation and became Camilla Parker Bowles.

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 Mar 2013 08:22

Au contraire mon frère, it was a student sculler on the river Thames flowing past Kings College in London

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ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Mar 2013 08:36

also how can one claim descent from a non existent Muhammad?

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 17 Mar 2013 09:58

Another Bengali chick (no not Sarmila Bose) had done detective work to unearth this in recent times, which was discussed excitedly in every Moslem forum with Paki presence.

BBC: Queen Victoria and Abdul: Diaries reveal secrets

Abdul Karim was one of Queen Victoria's closest confidants despite efforts by royal circles to suppress their relationship before and after her death

Previously undiscovered diaries have been found by an author based in the UK which show the intense relationship between Queen Victoria and the Indian man employed to be her teacher [in Urdu and "Indian Affairs"].

The diaries have been used by London-based author Shrabani Basu to update her book Victoria and Abdul - which tells the story of the queen's close relationship with a tall and handsome Indian Muslim called Abdul Karim.

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"In letters to him over the years between his arrival in the UK and her death in 1901, the queen signed letters to him as 'your loving mother' and 'your closest friend'," author Shrabani Basu told the BBC.

"On some occasions, she even signed off her letters with a flurry of kisses - a highly unusual thing to do at that time.

"It was unquestionably a passionate relationship - a relationship which I think operated on many different layers in addition to the mother-and-son ties between a young Indian man and a woman who at the time was over 60 years old."

Ms Basu hints that it is unlikely that the pair were ever lovers - although they did set tongues wagging by spending a quiet night alone in the same highland cottage where earlier she and John Brown used to stay.

"When Prince Albert died, Victoria famously said that he was her husband, close friend, father and mother," Ms Basu said. "I think it's likely that Abdul Karim fulfilled a similar role."

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"At a time when the British empire was at its height, a young Muslim occupied a central position of influence over its sovereign," Ms Basu said.

"It was a relationship that sent shockwaves through the royal court and was arguably a relationship far more scandalous than her much reported friendship with Mr Brown."

Such was the level of ill-feeling he generated that barely a few hours after the queen's funeral, her son Edward VII unceremoniously sacked Abdul Karim.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 18 Mar 2013 22:06

Link has a pic:
Egypt vigilantes hang thieves in public

Egyptian vigilantes beat two men accused of stealing a rickshaw, then stripped them half-naked and hung them from a tree in a bus station in a small Nile Delta town on Sunday, according to security officials who said both men died.

The killings came a week after the attorney general's office encouraged civilians to arrest lawbreakers and hand them over to police.

The state-run newspaper Ahram reported on its website that the two were dragged in the street after being caught “red-handed” trying to steal a rickshaw. It said they were beaten but alive before they were hung.

Oz: Call to quell rising tensions over Islam

A TWO-YEAR parliamentary inquiry into multiculturalism has been overwhelmed by concern about Islamic integration, with the bipartisan committee declaring it "does not support legal pluralism".

As revealed in The Australian, the report released yesterday recommends that the government promote the message that "multiculturalism entails both a respect for cultural diversity" and a commitment "to the framework of Australian laws and values which underpin social cohesion".

Scotland:
The church that's opened its doors to Islam: Christians roll out welcome to Muslims who were having to pray in the wind and rain because their mosque was so small

The Syed Shah Mustafa Jame Masjid mosque was too small to fit everyone in
Church minister Rev Isaac Poobalan saw worshippers praying outside
Now he has handed over part of St John's Episcopal Church in Aberdeen
Bishop says: 'It would be good to think we can change the world'

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 18 Mar 2013 22:19

These guys should remember the story of camel and the tent.
How many muslims will return the favour ?

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 18 Mar 2013 22:24

jamwal wrote:These guys should remember the story of camel and the tent.
How many muslims will return the favour ?

According to one hadith, the Prophet once allowed a travelling party of Ethiopian Christians to pray and rest in his mosque - at that time the only mosque in the world. But I'm not sure if that example was over-ridden by a later hadith. In today's world its unlikely to happen, I dunno. How did Guru Nanak gain entrance to mosques during his travels in the ME? Maybe he was considered a wandering seeker.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Mar 2013 22:24

jamwal ji,

there is nothing in Christianity that sets it up against Islam! Islam even accepts virgin birth of Jesus. The only difference is accepting Jesus as sun of God! Christianity has no intellectual arguments with Islam.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 18 Mar 2013 22:26

Jamwal garu,

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are different and often competing political parties of same faith, Abrahmism.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Mar 2013 22:28

In fact there is a lot more common between Christianity and Islam than between Christianity and Judaism.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Mar 2013 22:30

RamaY wrote:Jamwal garu,

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are different and often competing political parties of same faith, Abrahmism.

Competition between Jerusalem, Rome and Mecca! Qadian wanted to join in as well, but ...

akashganga · Post by **akashganga** » 18 Mar 2013 23:05

RajeshA wrote:
RamaY wrote:Jamwal garu,

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are different and often competing political parties of same faith, Abrahmism.
Competition between Jerusalem, Rome and Mecca! Qadian wanted to join in as well, but ...

This is from what I read years ago:
* islam borrowed from christianity and one can argue that islam comes from christian tradition
* christianity comes from judaism. Jeseus Christ was from a jewish family and jews of the day never acceptem him to be a prophet. Jews till today do not accept christ and some consider him as reformist jew of his time.
* Judaism comes from Egyptian religion of that time
* you can also tie in assyrian, and even zoarastrian religions to this mix

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Mar 2013 08:25

Apologies if already posted
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Wafa Sultan at David Horowitz's Restoration Weekend

There are a whole bunch of her videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up3yuQD ... B841BDED2E

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 19 Mar 2013 10:38

Abrahmic lnk between Islam and Christanity is all fine and dandy, but it hardly ever filters down to good relation between the two. They have been trying to wipe each other out in every single place they crossed paths. To Islamists, westerners are still kafirs, even if they are Christians and non-Abrhamnics are even worse.

Anyhow, my point was it's only the comparatively liberal Christians who are trying to reach out through such gesture. One way street onlee. Maybe they are afraid of the militant muslims and just trying to appease them.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 19 Mar 2013 10:54

jamwal ji,

what I want to say is that Christians would have a hard time finding theological differences which they can convert to legal reasons to proceed against Islam.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 19 Mar 2013 11:35

Perhaps. But religions like these don't need to find a reason to declare someone wajib-ul-cutlet.
If Christians can be mollified by recognition to Jesus as God's prophet by some Islamists, then Indians too don't have anything against Jesus or Mohammed either. They are considered holy men here too. But that never stopped these numbskulls from doing whatever they feel like.

This situation is a lot like in Pakistan. First they fought against people who had too many differences, real or made up. Then the quest for purity led to massacres of Ahmedis, Bengalis, Balochs and now Shias. Presently, mainstream Christanity is more or less dominated by moderates, unlike Islam. But the situations may change without anyone being the wiser. Influence of groups like WBC may increase, Catholics may grow more conservative under a new leadership. You wouldn't need to declare theological differences for a fight then.