Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 16 Mar 2013 20:13

Jhujar wrote:Minority in flames
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... -in-flames
It should not be forgotten that the conversion of the sweepers, who had Dalit status in their original Hindu religion, converted to Christianity in the Raj.[/b]

Factually incorrect in two ways. Many Dalits converted to Christianity rather than become maslis to escape death during the pogroms following the announcement of the partition. Secondly, as Hassan Nisar indirectly remarked recently, what were 97% of the paki "smilsums" before converting?

member_23858 · Post by **member_23858** » 16 Mar 2013 20:14

one cannot abandon non muslims

^^ may be he means that one cannot abandon living non muslims....ONLEE

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 16 Mar 2013 20:59

More lawhorey-madrassa logic:

One more reason why India refused to play hockey with pa'astan in pa'astan
An Expected Refusal by India?

Former Pakistan skipper and legendary hockey player Shehbaz Ahmed, on the other hand, feels that no team in the world would like to play against Pakistan, considering they lose to teams below their ranking. He feels that the Indian officials must have thought after watching the greenshirts in action that playing against Pakistan would do them no good, since it would damage their hockey, rather than improve it.

Huh!? Wha...!?

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 16 Mar 2013 21:09

anupmisra wrote:More lawhorey-madrassa logic:

One more reason why India refused to play hockey with pa'astan in pa'astan
An Expected Refusal by India?

Former Pakistan skipper and legendary hockey player Shehbaz Ahmed, on the other hand, feels that no team in the world would like to play against Pakistan, considering they lose to teams below their ranking. He feels that the Indian officials must have thought after watching the greenshirts in action that playing against Pakistan would do them no good, since it would damage their hockey, rather than improve it.
Huh!? Wha...!?

Perhaps they have stared selling hockey games as well...'started' could well be a misnomer, as I wouldn't be surprised if they've been dancing with the bookies for a long time, like their cricketers.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 16 Mar 2013 21:14

Speaking of sports there's some 'axcellent' news for Paa'istan's cricket:

http://tribune.com.pk/story/521407/cric ... -pakistan/

KARACHI: According to the participants of the ACC Level II Coaching Course, their perception about Pakistan has changed after visiting the country. The course was conducted at the National Cricket Academy in Lahore from March 9 to 14 as the Asian Cricket Council (ACC) selected 25 coaches of UAE, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Iran and Afghanistan to attend the high profile training programme. Viramoorty Sockalingam, the UAE representative, stated his amazement at the drastically different environment of the country from what he had heard. “I felt very comfortable and secure in Lahore,” said Sockalingam. “It is a pity that international cricket is not being played in Pakistan; I hope it returns soon.”

Then you read the names of the countries whose foreign coaches 'feel safe in Bakistan'

BENIS material onlee.

ManjaM · Post by **ManjaM** » 16 Mar 2013 21:21

I am sure of the older, wiser maulaners have pointed it out, but TSP and BENIS are arriving at some sort of convergence. All thanks to the momin of Bakistan, for doing their part to reduce internet clutter by keeping BENIS real. That way we only need 1 dhaaga to stay informed.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 16 Mar 2013 22:21

ManjaM wrote:I am sure of the older, wiser maulaners have pointed it out, but TSP and BENIS are arriving at some sort of convergence. All thanks to the momin of Bakistan, for doing their part to reduce internet clutter by keeping BENIS real. That way we only need 1 dhaaga to stay informed.

To me:

News meant for the TSP dhaga is when you shake your head in bewilderment or shock or both.
News meant for Benis dhaga is when you roll on the floor laughing in bewilderment or shock or both.
Ultimately, the common denominator is always mirth from "bewilderment or shock or both".

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 16 Mar 2013 23:37

Huge unnatural tragedy occurred in Pakiissistan Yesterday. It came under Kufaar spell and Friday went as Dryday without Qatal of Shia, Ahmadi or Nassara.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 Mar 2013 01:07

Good news from pa'astan comes in 200% tranches.

Cost of living doubles in five years

As government is highlighting its achievements made during the last five years, the cost of living has almost doubled instead of showing any decline.

While the consumers saw a 100 to 200 per cent hike in food items prices during the last five years, they witnessed a massive hike in utility bills charges, and in the prices of other essential goods as well as school fee and books.

So, where's the good part? Here:

Pakistan has the fourth largest middle class of Asia

This is benis material.

partha · Post by **partha** » 17 Mar 2013 01:23

Pakistanis are angry over Govt inaction. There is after all hope for Pakistan.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... t-inaction

MULTAN - A visiting lecturer of English Department of Bahauddin Zakariya University, who has been accused of blasphemy, was the target of a students rally bought out against him while Tehreek Tahaffuz-e-Namoos-e-Risalat (TTNR) held a protest meeting here on Thursday.

The participants of the rally and protest meeting demanded the immediate arrest and execution of the lecturer, even warning to the government that they would take to the roads if the action was not taken forthwith. The visiting lecturer and MPhil student in English Department is accused by those making the allegation of some supposedly offensive remarks on a social networking website which has sparked outrage in BZU. The BZU administration cancelled the admission and hostel allotment of the accused and a ban was imposed on his entry. He has fled in fear of his life.

Meanwhile, addressing a joint meeting of all religious parties under the umbrella of TTNR, the leaders Qari Ahmad Mian, Dr Ashraf Ali Ateeq, Asif Mahmood Akhwani, Rao Zafar Iqbal, Syed Khalid Mahmood Nadeem, Inayat Ullah Rehmani, Syed Kafeel Shah Bokhari and others condemned the incident and condemned BZU for "sheltering Ahmadis". They demanded the government take notice of supposedly concurrent blasphemy incidents at BZU and launch an immediate action or the TTNR would encircle the varsity and mete out its own decided punishment itself, without trial.

Meanwhile, the Alpa Police arrested the accused from the Sahiwal area while he was traveling to Lahore. Police sources said that a blasphemy case has been registered against him.

Wait, what? AoA!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Mar 2013 02:39

Pakistan 'expanding nuclear arsenal to deter US attack'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ttack.html

sia's triangular arms race has traditionally reflected the rivalries between India and China and India and Pakistan, but according to an influential former adviser to Manmohan Singh, the Indian prime minister, Pakistan now regards the United States as a potential threat.
In an article for The Hindu newspaper, Shyam Saran said Islamabad had invested in a new generation of plutonium-based warheads, increased the size range of its arsenal, and improved the accuracy of its missiles.Washington has voiced its concerns over the build-up in the region but believes it reflects Pakistan's long-standing fear of arch rival India's conventional force superiority.But according to Mr Saran, Islamabad's burgeoning nuclear arsenal is increasingly aimed at deterring its fractious ally in the war on terror, the United States. Its fear that Washington may strike to wipe out Pakistan's nuclear capability dates back to just after the 9/11 attacks when then President Musharraf said it had been warned to support the war on terror or face being "bombed back to the stone age."
Despite his acquiescence, relations between the two countries have been strained ever since and reached their lowest point following the 2011 special forces raid which killed Osama bin Laden at his home in the centre of Pakistan's main garrison town A Barributtabad."While the immediate threat to its strategic assets passed, Pakistan's suspicions of US intentions in this regard have now risen to the level of paranoia," Mr Saran said.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Mar 2013 04:32

Jhujar wrote:Huge unnatural tragedy occurred in Pakiissistan Yesterday. It came under Kufaar spell and Friday went as Dryday without Qatal of Shia, Ahmadi or Nassara.

That is a Yahud-Hanud-Nasara conpiracy onlee.

Rohit_K · Post by **Rohit_K** » 17 Mar 2013 04:32

Published 2 months ago, a good read:

For Ikram – Life in Pakistan occupied Kashmir – Azad Kashmir

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 17 Mar 2013 06:45

Jhujar,

Thats a dated article which we have debated here. SaranJi's anal-ysis is deeply flawed and as an Indian diplomat, he's probably trying to draw attention to TSP. But if there is even an ounce of merit to his thesis that TSP's nukes are meant to deter US, they would have been obliterated by now by US special ops. No, TSP's nukes are meant only, and only to annihilate a few cities in India against the back drop of massive terror attack and daring India to a fight.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Mar 2013 06:59

CRamS wrote:But if there is even an ounce of merit to his thesis that TSP's nukes are meant to deter US, they would have been obliterated by now by US special ops.

That is the "I could have got the best lookin girls any time but they weren't my class" story told by generations of boys to their mates after summer vacation. Comforting oneself by bragging about non existent capability. The fact that India is impotent stands out on its own. You insist of comparing India's impotence with non existent US capability which is why it all begins to sound so fake.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 17 Mar 2013 07:43

DoCJi,

US slime-balls themselves have said that TSP nukes are because of "threat from India" and in this sense TSP is not on the "axis of evil" like Iran, NK etc. But I like your analogy though, I cracked up

.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 17 Mar 2013 09:21

CRamS wrote:Jhujar,

Thats a dated article which we have debated here. SaranJi's anal-ysis is deeply flawed and as an Indian diplomat, he's probably trying to draw attention to TSP. But if there is even an ounce of merit to his thesis that TSP's nukes are meant to deter US, they would have been obliterated by now by US special ops. No, TSP's nukes are meant only, and only to annihilate a few cities in India against the back drop of massive terror attack and daring India to a fight.

Like the ones in North Korea?

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 17 Mar 2013 10:25

Ten Countries That Hate America Most
http://247wallst.com/2013/03/13/ten-cou ... ca-most/3/
Guess who's No 1

1. Pakistan
> Pct. disapprove of U.S. leadership: 79%
> GDP per capita: $2,786
> Life expectancy: 65.2 years

Pakistan’s disapproval of U.S. leadership rose to 79% of all Gallup respondents in 2012, a 30 percentage point increase from the year before. According to the polling agency, this was due to a combination of American drone strikes and the online release of an anti-Islam film made in the United States. Diplomatic relations were tested in 2011 when the U.S. raided a house near Pakistan’s top military academy to find and kill Osama bin Laden. Pakistan had long claimed bin Laden was not in the country. In 2010, Pakistan was one of five nations with the worst rating on the political terror scale, which measures both political violence and terror within the country. The nation also was among the lowest ranked on Gallup’s social well-being index for 2011.

Bite the hand that feeds you , sh*t in your plate and etc etc

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 17 Mar 2013 10:31

anupmisra wrote:Good news from pa'astan comes in 200% tranches.

Cost of living doubles in five years
....................

But for the wajib-ul-cuttles like the Ahmadiyya , Shi'a, Hindus, Christians and other blasphemers, the cost of living has quadrupled, while the price of life itself has halved.

sum · Post by **sum** » 17 Mar 2013 10:43

More Aman-ki-Asha from TSP:
‘ISI moulded two accused’

The National Investigation Agency (NIA) charge sheet in the Bangalore terror module case has alleged a terror conspiracy in Hubli and Bangalore handled by an elaborate network in Riyadh, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, consisting mostly men of South Indian origin.

Of the 15 arrested from Bangalore and Hubli, Abdul Hakeem Jamadar (Bangalore) and Dr Zafar Iqbal Sholapur (Hubli) were the kingpins of the module in Karnataka. The two men had visited Pakistan through Iran in 2011-12 on their regular passport.

The charge sheet – a copy of which is with Deccan Herald – says the duo wanted to go to Afghanistan and fight with the Taliban against the American and NATO forces. But Abdul Rehaman alias Farahatullah Ghori, accused in the Gujarat Akshar Dham massacre, intervened and took them to Karachi.

“The two met some of the senior ISI officials Hamid, Mustafa, Abdul Wahed and also LeT operatives like Riyan. These officials motivated them to collect intelligence and carry out espionage activities in India,” says the charge sheet. They were also trained for the same.
The two had acquaintances with Shoaib Ahmed Mirza alias Chottu, Riyaz Ahmed Byahatti, Ubedulla Bahaddur, Wahid Hussain, Mohammed Sadiq Lashkar and Mehboob Bagalakote, as all of them were members of the Popular Front of India and were actively taking part in its activities at its unit in Hubli. The gang came under the influence of Zakir alias Ustad who motivated them to carry out jehadi activities in the State.

Ustad, in the course of the investigation, was identified as Mohammed Shaheed Faisal, who studied engineering at MS Ramaiah College of Engineering in the City between 2004 and 2008. He was a native of Bangalore. NIA, based on the inputs from the accused, drew his portrait and Ram Reddy of Combat Sports Academy, BTM Layout, identified the man as Shaheed.

Motivated by Zakir and their Pakistani handlers, the accused identified targets to be eliminated in Bangalore, Hubli, Hyderabad and Nanded. In its charge sheet, NIA has mentioned their targets as Pratap Simha; Vishveshwar Bhat of a Kannada newspaper; B Dayananda, the then chief of CCB; D M Krishnamraju, the then DCP (Crime); Nyamegouda, ACP (Ulsoorgate), who have handled terror investigations earlier in the City; Prahlad Joshi, MP, Dharwad; Vijay Sankeshwar, Ganu Jaratarkar of Bajrang Dal in Hubli; Srinivas Reddy, corporator, Saidabad; Rajavardhan Reddy and Raja Singh, leaders of Hindu Vahini; and Sahadev Yadav, corporator from BJP, Kurmaguda in Hyderabad.

He went to the Gulf with the help of Mohammed Abdul Majeed of HuJI, presently in Riyadh, brother of another notorious terrorist Shahid Bilal who was gunned down.

Majeed has also been made an accused in the case. He introduced Akram to Siddique bin Osman (LeT operative), a native of Hyderabad, a wanted accused in the Hyderabad terror case who motivated him to carry out jehadi activities in the country.

He also met Mohammed Bhai, an LeT operative wanted in the Sai Baba Temple blast case, Furkhan Bhai of Hyderabad, Dr Imran, Motu Doctor, Dr Osmane Ghani Khan, all natives of Karnataka working for LeT.

Ustad alias Zakir was also present at these meetings held in Riyadh and Dammam where the terror conspiracy was etched out in great detail.

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 Mar 2013 11:08

Rajdeep wrote:Ten Countries That Hate America Most
http://247wallst.com/2013/03/13/ten-cou ... ca-most/3/
Guess who's No 1

1. Pakistan
> Pct. disapprove of U.S. leadership: 79%
> GDP per capita: $2,786
> Life expectancy: 65.2 years

Pakistan’s disapproval of U.S. leadership rose to 79% of all Gallup respondents in 2012, a 30 percentage point increase from the year before. According to the polling agency, this was due to a combination of American drone strikes and the online release of an anti-Islam film made in the United States. Diplomatic relations were tested in 2011 when the U.S. raided a house near Pakistan’s top military academy to find and kill Osama bin Laden. Pakistan had long claimed bin Laden was not in the country. In 2010, Pakistan was one of five nations with the worst rating on the political terror scale, which measures both political violence and terror within the country. The nation also was among the lowest ranked on Gallup’s social well-being index for 2011.
Bite the hand that feeds you , sh*t in your plate and etc etc

If the hands that feeds is willing to be bitten and more than happy to clean the plate that has been defecated upon then who are we to complain

Anyway the Islamic Republic of Pakistan's antipathy for the US is reciprocated in turn by citizens of the US.

Results of Gallup survey conducted in Feb. 2013 shows that 81% of Americans hold an unfavourable view of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

From here: Clicky

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 17 Mar 2013 12:12

Indian Army Chief answer to Pakistan Journalist.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Mar 2013 12:27

That fellow thinks too much of himself and is an establishment man and a subversive. Please do not forget his role in the Praveen Swami episode. He is dangerous and disruptive and above all an A-hole. He cant ask any of these questions to his own General, he would be found dead in a ditch. We are entertaining him and subjecting our Generals to the insult of replying to some of his pig squeals. He has the gall to throw around the accusation that IA is somehow threatening the Government and somehow lying to the country. He also insinuates that without IA, India and Pakistan would have had peace by solving problems like Siachen.

The thing that SDREs dont understand is that if a pig invites you to wrestle, and you agree, you will be dragged into the mud and the pig will enjoy it. Pakis are creating a narrative that somehow IA equal equal Pakistani army and all decisions in the country are made by IA and IA speaks with as much as a forked tongue as Pakistani army and have as much a say in running the country as Pakistani army. Fellow had gall to suggest that "he is disturbed" to see signs of Military domination of policy making in India! If we continue to give opportunities for such Pakis to speak along these lines, it will be taken as gospel truth.

However Kudos to the general for handling it with tact, grace and some blunt speak. As an answer to "Hawkish position on Siachen", the General Brought up Kargil to show how big a liars the Pakis are, connected it to doublespeak on the beheading, and talked about Paki support to terror and ultimately asked "if you lie, act like a barbarian, support terror, why should we simply give up Siachen?" He rounded it out by talking about how IA is a potent and disciplined arm of Indian government for enforcing its policies and it is not the other way around.

The grace and the clarity of purpose espoused by the general, my friends is what is different between India and Pakistan.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 17 Mar 2013 12:43

Looking at that guy always makes me wonder , where does this sense entitlement come in the inhabitants of that piss poor black hole on earth ?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Mar 2013 13:23

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1 ... shal-Malik

Minister for Interior Rehman Malik said on Saturday that Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Pervaiz Kayani should be awarded with the title of field marshal for his services to democracy in the country.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 17 Mar 2013 14:09

^ and dus percenty should be called Quaid-e-azam. He has done what djinna couldnt do.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 17 Mar 2013 14:35

In that video of the general answering the Paki journalist;
There is a difference between being responsible ,answering queries from civilians and entertaining malicious questions.There should be words and inferences from the general that should dissuade Pakis from asking such questions which throw doubt on fairness.
He mentions that beheading is "not done" and these are not "the norms of engagement". That IMO is too polite and psychologically, the Paki thinks he is still the judge. He has to be shown his place. There is nothing wrong in pointing out who really is neanderthal , especially from positions of strength. Is he worried that we will offend our "guest"? Had the general instead inserted words like "not done, unprofessional and frankly cowardly" in a matter of fact way, it will send the right message.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 17 Mar 2013 14:51

Rajdeep wrote:
Indian Army Chief answer to Pakistan Journalist.

He was the same guy who got his ass handed over to him by Javed Akhtar few years ago.

member_23858 · Post by **member_23858** » 17 Mar 2013 16:06

YOU CANT MAKE THIS SH!T UP

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1 ... itish-govt

The government signed a major agreement with the British government giving it the right to expel 25 Pakistanis in a year without following any legal procedure

Is finally Londonistan coming back to its senses?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Mar 2013 17:03

^ Now, we don't know what else the TSP Government has hurriedly agreed to in the very last minute with various governments such as the USA, PRC, KSA, UAE, North Korea et al. and at what quid-pro-quo.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 Mar 2013 17:28

Anujan wrote:http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1 ... shal-Malik
Minister for Interior Rehman Malik said on Saturday that Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Pervaiz Kayani should be awarded with the title of field marshal for his services to democracy in the country.

To be given the rank of a Field Marshall, one has to be the victor in a war of certain magnitude and, after the award, the reciepient goes into retirement. Kayani qualifies for neither.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 Mar 2013 17:30

abhijitm wrote:^ and dus percenty should be called Quaid-e-azam. He has done what djinna couldnt do.

Quaid-e-Bilawal would be more appropriate but even that title is not without doubt.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 Mar 2013 17:31

martinbaker wrote:YOU CANT MAKE THIS SH!T UP
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1 ... itish-govt
The government signed a major agreement with the British government giving it the right to expel 25 Pakistanis in a year without following any legal procedure
Is finally Londonistan coming back to its senses?

What happens after the 25 count is reached? Does that include "brits of south Asian origins" or just over-stayed pakis in londonistan? After Scotland achieves its independence, will they be required to honor this agreement as well? There are many pakiturds in what is today Scotland.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Mar 2013 17:50

anupmisra wrote:
Anujan wrote:Minister for Interior Rehman Malik said on Saturday that Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Pervaiz Kayani should be awarded with the title of field marshal for his services to democracy in the country.
To be given the rank of a Field Marshall, one has to be the victor in a war of certain magnitude and, after the award, the reciepient goes into retirement. Kayani qualifies for neither.

anupmisra, it was probably 'Comedienne' Rehman Malik's thinking - and I don't blame him for that - that if a coward with an adverse remark against him could become a Field Marshal in Pakistan, why not Gen. Kayani.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 17 Mar 2013 17:53

‘State’s inability to act emboldens extremists’

GENEVA: Religious minorities, including Hazaras, remain the target of powerful religious militant groups, which have increasingly been emboldened because of the state’s inability to punish them, speakers told a recently organized general debate by the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC).

If these militants are not controlled now, the country would face a civil war on ethnic and sectarian lines, they warned.

Baloch alleged that the religious militants remain an ally of the state institutions in Balochistan. Taking his conspiracy theory further, he accused China and Iran for interfering in Pakistan for their own strategic interests.

Sectarian killers use seminaries as their centers and persecute religious and ethnic minorities, he alleged.

Paulo Casaca urged the European Union and the United States to promote “real democracy” in Pakistan which means a state of law, freedom of religion, and respect of cultural identities.

Tarek Fatah said that Pakistan’s future remains linked with secularism. Only the separation of religion and politics will help resolve Pakistan’s horrendous crises, he said.

Instead of Kashmiri it is the Baloch's who have hogged the limelight at UNHRC. YYY conspiracy onleeeeee!

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 17 Mar 2013 18:11

Minority in flames - M A Niazi

...But the majority continued in the profession that Sanwal Masih, the accused in the Badami Bagh case, practiced: sanitary worker.
Because of this, blasphemy charges have been directed against Christians not because they have committed blasphemy, but because there is resentment against social progress or individual prosperity by individual Christians.
...

Ya Allah !!
Am i dreaming or is the TFTA Ashraf who penned the piece confessing that now the bulk of baki momin are "resenting the individual prosperity and social progress" of the dutty kuffar Nasara employed in "sanitary work" (euphemism for manual cleaning and scavenging) ??

Somehow above bit clearly reveals the desperation stalking the momin lands these days .

member_23858 · Post by **member_23858** » 17 Mar 2013 18:32

Is no one maintaining the score???

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1 ... een-TTP-AI

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1 ... n-accident

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 Mar 2013 18:35

There are several levels of "pakidelusionalilty" (this should be a word). Here's one that exceeds the normal. The below "argument" builds a thesis for nuclear parity based on faulty assumptions and delusional fears. Stop me if you have heard this before.

Are we Conscientious as a Nuclear Power?

1. Pakistan accords the highest priority ensuring a foolproof nuclear security mechanism <and>

2. Pakistan has the reputation of being an active member of the Nuclear Security Summit (NSS) and Global Initiative to Combat Nuclear Terrorism (GICNT).<and>

3. Over 8000 additional professionals are being trained at Pakistan’s specialized Nuclear Security Training Academy to assume their duties proficiently in a short period of time <and>

4. The conscientious Pakistan continues to refine and upgrade its technical and human resources and mechanisms on safety and security of nuclear weapons, materials, facilities, and assets. <and>

5. The escalation of the arms race in South Asia commenced when Obama administration signed US-India civil nuclear cooperation agreement

6. In order to put right the balance of power, Pakistan demanded for a similar civil-nuclear deal. <Why? See 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 above>

7. <Moreover>As Pakistan lives in a tough neighborhood, therefore, it will never be oblivious to its security needs and should have deterrent capabilities as a nuclear power.

<and>8. According to nuclear analysts, for India to launch Cold Start, would be to “roll the nuclear dice”.

]<and>9. Nuclear weapons are crucial to Pakistan, because Pakistani military is no match for the Indian army.

10. <Therefore>, Pakistan is justified to work on producing smaller tactical nuclear weapons that can provide ‘deterrence’ against Indian nuclear might.

11. Pakistan is mindful of the need to avoid an arms race with India but would never compromise on its national security

Answer to the title question: Yes, we are! We will nuke you if you think otherwise.
QED.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 Mar 2013 18:42

martinbaker wrote:Is no one maintaining the score???
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1 ... een-TTP-AI
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1 ... n-accident

Regarding the first link, that's just a normal daily affair where the boys get to go outside and play rough. Someone is bound to get hurt. Nothing out of the ordinary for those mard-e-mommens. The second one is more intriguing. Didn't that happen a few days ago or this is another one? If its a new one, then its a coincidence that in both "accidents" soldiers from the Northern Light Infantry (of Kargil downhill skiing fame) were involved, and that too within a few days of each other.

Coincidence, eh? Allah knows and sees all.

member_23858 · Post by **member_23858** » 17 Mar 2013 19:57

According to nuclear analysts, for India to launch Cold Start, would be to “roll the nuclear dice”.

I strongly disagree.
The PakJabi army very well knows where the RED line is. It will definitely wage a proxy war, but according to it, the actions will never be serious enough for India to warrant a full scale mobilization. From what I understand, since 1947 itself, whenever Indian army has been mobilized, it has caught Pakees off guard. Be it 1965 when Lawhore was under siege, or 1999 when a full scale offensive was launched to counter Uniformed Jihadees, or more recent attacks on the Parliament and Mumbai, the Paki perception was that India has acted out of proportion, makes me think they did not assume the Indian Govt. to act the way it did. Again, its just an observation.
What Pakis conveniently forget, is that "mere existence" is not the aim of Indian Republic. Its aim is to thrive and flourish, and help its population enjoy fruitful and successful, whole sum lives. Pakistan, on other hand believes in 'Mere existence' and its policies have always been one of gaining parity with Indian might, whatever the price may be (the great speech of grass and nulear bomb comes to my mind). I think, all the ''ASs-phucked'' officers of the upper echelons of the Paki Army know that India's Nuclear response, preemptive, or retaliatory, just needs to be focused on Paki-punjab only. Rest of pakis like pathans, balochis, sindhis, etc would be more than happy to see the end of punjabi monopoly, and may even secede. That is not the case in Republic Of India, If a region/state/city is, God forbid, attacked by Pakis, the response from rest of the India will always be counted upon to annihilate pakistan, Mohan and maino not withstanding. Hence Pakis have waged a proxy war since its inception, but has tried to maintain plausible deniability , Hence, Pakis using nuclear option, I think is, though not far fetched, an unlikely outcome.