Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 17 Mar 2013 10:20

Fantastic analysis by Kanchan Gupta: Modi, a leader India awaits

The biggest crisis India faces today is crisis of leadership. The biggest crisis that Indians face today is crisis of confidence. The biggest challenge that India and Indians face today is to overcome these twin crises.

On Saturday Gujarat’s Chief Minister Narendra Modi offered dazzling hope that it’s possible to overcome both as he outlined, even if sketchily, an agenda for a resurgent India.

Speaking at the India Today Conclave in New Delhi, Modi provided a big picture of his Idea of India, a country free of discrimination and governed by a policy-driven regime that would not only place people ahead of everything else but also make them stakeholders in nation-building.

From converting entitlement to empowerment, pushing Government to move from meaningless Acts to outcome-driven “black-and-white” policies, to leveraging national assets for greater good of the people and generating employment opportunities, Modi made the quantum leap from being Chief Minister of India’s showcase fastest developing State to a national leader with an over-arching vision connecting Kashmir to Kanyakumari.

He spoke extempore, he spoke from the heart, and he spoke with courage and conviction.

No cynical politician would suggest that an asset-creating Develeopment Guarantee Scheme is a far better option than a leaky, corruption-ridden Employment Guarantee Scheme.

No crafty politician would suggest cutting back on chemical fertiliser subsidy by getting farmers to switch over to organic fertiliser produced by recycling urban solid waste.

No eye-on-the-vote politician would tell the people that they need to change their attitude too and become participants in the development process instead of waiting for the state to deliver.

No status quoist politician would make bold to suggest that there should be private sector participation in railways and Government should get out of the business of running business.

No me-too-Gandhian politician would dare propose India should become a net seller of weapons to the world than being a net importer of arms.

But then, Modi is not cynical. He is not crafty. He looks beyond votes and elections: He looks at India as it can be in a rapidly changing world of the 21st century. He is all set to rock the status quo. He detests double-speak and bluntly states what he believes in.

For instance, that every citizen of the country deserves to be protected by the state, not only those belonging to one section or another. It’s a reformulation of the powerful slogan: Justice for all, appeasement of none.

Or that Government should be rid of its discretionary powers and ensure absolute transparency, holding itself accountable to the people.

And that corruption can be eradicated by making policy black-and-white without any loopholes for fiddle-diddle, and harnessing technology that would mark a radical shift to e-governance.

He passionately believes in federalism and in consultation. He proudly wears his credentials as a people-centric democrat on his sleeves. He does not shy away from admitting that his USP is what he is and the way he does things — there’s no false modesty about him which is the standard of the bogus Delhi elite.

It is all this and more which makes him a tall leader, a leader who inspires hope and aspiration, a leader who has a vision for India, a vision that is not circumscribed by what the elite perceives is best for India but what Indians perceive is best for them.

The last time India embraced such a leader was when Atal Bihari Vajpayee, the son of a small town teacher, became Prime Minister. This time, it’s Modi, a small town boy from a humble family who has risen to the top because he not only preaches but also practices what he calls the ‘Modi Mantra’: Don’t dream of becoming somebody; dream of doing something.

Modi spoke of the democracy dividend as one of India’s untapped strengths. If he were to rise further and get to lead India from the front, that would reflect the innate strength of India’s democracy.

His message on Saturday was unequivocal: Yes, India can.

Millions who heard him with rapt attention would unanimously say: Yes, he can.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 17 Mar 2013 10:28

muraliravi wrote:All I am saying is his dialogue was uncalled for.

muraliravi-ji; let me be the exception on the forum and agree with you. It would have been best had he skipped the reference. As someone who has followed each and every speech of Shri Modi, including one he recently made in Udaipur at Maharana Pratap's birth celebrations, I see what you are saying. This is fairly "out of character"

However this brings me to the larger point -- a number of people have "unrealistic expectations" with BJP and or its leaders. There are deep structural issues, and the solutions are not easily available. This is true of others who have been called names before, and is true now of NaMo. Expect to see more signs of accommodation. A little while back Modi was a important guest in a marriage between the Hindustan Times family and Reliance family.

It would be impossible for a NaMo, a ABV etc to come to power, wave a wand, and completely change the global structure which results in the current dead lock.

We will still need oil from the Islamic hellholes in the ME. The Anglo-Saxon-Dutch commercial interests still control the money flow. Their illegitimate children in India are equally well entrenched.

Some amount of accommodation with them is mandatory -- NaMo/BJP/RSS cant take on the world single handedly and change the picture.

Of course there will be people like Sita Ram Goel to whom such behavior would be "windbag" like, but then this balance of ideology and practicality has never been easy. Supporters of BJP need to understand that, including the core 5%, maybe later this 5% when it has grown to 20% under more favorable climes can push the polity further towards it cause, but till then it has to go with the best available and bide its time with small incremental steps.

(And this is where I disagree mostly with Bji

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All said, I would have been much happier if those places were not mentioned.

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Atri-ji --> over to you. Kindly offer your unique wisdom on the issue.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Mar 2013 10:33

Narinder Modi , Rauolo Baba, Indian Public, Kongresi Rats etc.
Must listen!!
Chori Chor

chhupa chhupi bhag billi aayi re..lata ,manna dey

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 17 Mar 2013 11:23

Tourism as an industry gets a lot of attention from Modi... and his ideas on developing religion-based / spiritual tourism on a grand scale in India are actually quite old. He has been talking about this from 2011 or earlier...In yesterday's speech there was no way he could have talked about developing spiritual 'circuits' and restricted himself to Hindu and Sikh ones.

It was right for him to be inclusive and make a reference to Muslim and Christian circuits. Over a period of time, Christians and Muslims need to drop their reference to 'false gods' but that's a separate issue for another time.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 17 Mar 2013 11:27

Arjun wrote:In yesterday's speech there was no way he could have talked about developing spiritual 'circuits' and restricted himself to Hindu and Sikh ones. .

No its absolutely the right thing to do. That is the whole point.

This "inclusiveness" is BS and a completely unnecessary compulsion.

It is a different matter that Modi also wilted under pressure to include that. Which is fine, after all he is not a messiah (despite all the views here) -- and works under the same constraints as others.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 17 Mar 2013 11:51

^Its not "inclusiveness" its about business. Are we supposed to deny ourselves the revenue generated from internal muslim/christian pilgrimage just because it irks some of the more extreme/impractical of our brethren.

The best possible outcome for the terrorists and evanjihadis can hope for is the ghettoisation of these minorities, where they remain uneducated and breed like pigs, all the while firmly under the control of foreign funded mullahs/soul collectors. When these minorities have their spiritual needs satisfied more within the nation and they are allowed to step out of the ghetto to live like normal citizens, the less they will look to foreigners for support, both spiritual/monetary. Short of Nazi type death camps, the worst we can do to jihadi and a sympathetic population behind him is to educate them and modernize them. Yes, I know there are well-educated terrorists, but we must remember that these terrorists come from an brainwashed, illiterate and ghettoised community that has already built a jihadi foundation in their minds long before they received any degrees.

So, if you are not gonna kill them, you better educated them (particularly women), because regardless of how hard a line you take and how much you NOT VOTE, they will out-breed you in the end.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 17 Mar 2013 12:06

Arun Menon wrote:^Its not "inclusiveness" its about business. .

Spend some time thinking about the material in depth.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 17 Mar 2013 12:34

Atri wrote:Hahaha.. psudo-Secularist Thieves are going berserk... Watch the timeline of Amaresh misra (twin brother of Zaid Hamid who stayed in India) on twitter.. he is going nuts.. giving all maa-behen gaalis to Namo and others publicly.. This guy was touted as "intellectual" by MSM and given airtime and column inches..

https://twitter.com/AmareshMisra

This is the intellectual caliber of this turd Amaresh Misra:

Amaresh Misra ‏@AmareshMisra
@dhruba_baruah @NaMo4PM #NaMo Tumharee gaand men rod ghusa kar munh se nikalunga! Allahabadiyon ko jaante nahee ho saale fascist kutte!

Amaresh Misra ‏@AmareshMisra
@kamlesh_bokadia Tumharee behen ke munh men Modi ka lund! Ab japo NaMo! NaMo! Hijde ki tarah!

The joker describes himself in his Twitter profile as "Author, Historian, Film writer and Politician" He is trying to get noticed by Digvijay Singh and Sonia Gandhi for a Congress ticket.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 17 Mar 2013 12:36

Don't worry about Ajmer, guys. Mostly only Hindus visit Ajmer. True Muslims should not (and do not) visit dargahs. All those muslims who do visit and bow to the shrine, are kaafirs anyway.

NM shows one trait which we all should imbibe -
gum aur khushi me farq na mehsus ho jahan,
main dil ko us maqam pe lata chala gaya.

I attained a state where there isn't ant difference between happiness and sorrow.

NM will definitely rattle the cage. Such events are useless politically and electorally. But good for fundraising and bringing small and middleclass baniyas on board ehich is important. As someone said before, this format of prachar should happen on every chaupaal of every village. RSS parivar cadre has lot to do along with ally cadres. I wish that they keep it simple and locally relevent to every chaupaal. This has to be done relentlessly in entire region of RSS stronghold of central, northcentral, southcentral and western india. Anything from east and deep south is bonus.

It was wise of him to avoid questions of regarding geopolitics and military self reliance. This not the time or place nor he is a PM candidate to be speaking on such issues. He was there in capacity of a CM to explain his GJ model and its relevence to India.

In our westministerial system, it is really difficult to predict PM. It is almost always a compromise candidate. Because this system has evolved under constant shadow of monarchy. It is matter of prarabdha. Who would have thought Devegauda, Gujaral and MMS would be PM and Pratibha Patil would be president. As that sardarji says in film Khosla ka Ghosla -" Khosla saab, ye poora desh hi bhenchod compromise pe chal raha hai". (The very basis of this system in our country is compromise).

What I learnt from the speech of Raajarshi (philosopher king) is what I can do. NM gives example of small time entrepreuners who made it big, small deeds which helped people etc. we can start doing it (st leadt start thinking about doing it) on small scales. This will be true tribute to this man. Earnestly support the candidature of his party everywhere. And do not lose heart. We are in struggle of multiple generations. Many more times all of us will have to come on this planet and work before we make this Vishwam aarya.

Vande Mataram!!!

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 17 Mar 2013 12:55

NaMo was fabulous, the questions that he didnt answer to the satisfaction of BRF residents were that on the indigenization of our weapons and the one one on geopolity. But of course given his abilities it is clear he can manage these and allied areas with ease when need arises. It was more of a presidential kind of debate except that there was no one on the opposite side, how i wish we had mr.dimple on the other side

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 17 Mar 2013 13:41

^^ NM is both chanakya and chandragupta rolled into one. The Nandas (and assorted nangas) in their durbar must be quaking in their jackboots. They will go all out to ensure that the moneybags etc who have bankrolled their past success do not start to waver or hedge. All manner of pressure, dirty tricks and blackmail will be brought to bear upon friend and fiend alike.

Like singha saar so eloquently described the objective of these occasional lightning raids into Dilli in the midst of the Dilli-billis, "deny them sleep" (or something like that).

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 17 Mar 2013 13:47

Notice that there is very little coverage of NaMo speech in main stream English papers.
I think the latest strategy is to try and ignore him and not give publicity to his ideas.

Was the speech broadcast on TV channels?

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 17 Mar 2013 14:00

^I noticed that too. Not only has it not been mentioned in other news channels besides Headlines Today, even that channel has stopped any mention of it after yesterday evening.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 17 Mar 2013 14:01

VikramS wrote:Notice that there is very little coverage of NaMo speech in main stream English papers.
I think the latest strategy is to try and ignore him and not give publicity to his ideas.

Was the speech broadcast on TV channels?

Congress has learned a lesson from Modi's SRCC speech which gave him unprecedented publicity and instructions seem to have gone out from Congress HQ to black-out Modi's speeches addressed to a national audience.

When Modi becomes the PM, the first thing he should do is to destroy these corporate media houses by making a law that will make it mandatory for newspapers and news channels to be owned by no-profit trusts. There have to be consequences for these Jains, Birlas, Goenkas and other baniyas of enemy action against Modi and, by extension, against the Hindu community.

Also, Modi should have made live telecast of his speech on Headlines Today as a condition of his participation in India Today conclave.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 17 Mar 2013 14:04

Since Headlines Today is part of India Today group and this was a private event, the former must have been given exclusive TV broadcast rights.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 17 Mar 2013 14:20

Hari Seldon wrote:^^ NM is both chanakya and chandragupta rolled into one. The Nandas (and assorted nangas) in their durbar must be quaking in their jackboots. They will go all out to ensure that the moneybags etc who have bankrolled their past success do not start to waver or hedge. All manner of pressure, dirty tricks and blackmail will be brought to bear upon friend and fiend alike.

Like singha saar so eloquently described the objective of these occasional lightning raids into Dilli in the midst of the Dilli-billis, "deny them sleep" (or something like that).

the root of the Sultanate power is the satraps. take out the satraps, Sultanate will flee. You need not eliminate them all. But few have gone too far ahead to make a you-turn without making ass of themselves (Samajvadi Party, CPM, DMK, for example). At least such people and satraps need to be eliminated first. They need to put the feet on accelerator and strive for a long haul.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 17 Mar 2013 14:20

Everybody works for profit, nothing wrong with corporate media. Problem is with transparency. And foreign citizens as editors are a No no and no shady funding like NDTV. And No minister party leader relatives working in media

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 17 Mar 2013 14:22

VikramS wrote:Notice that there is very little coverage of NaMo speech in main stream English papers.
I think the latest strategy is to try and ignore him and not give publicity to his ideas.

Was the speech broadcast on TV channels?

Because that is TV Today group event... NDTV TOI HT TV18 see them as competition.

anjan · Post by **anjan** » 17 Mar 2013 14:47

Muppalla wrote:You tell me regarding what you think. Reaching out to middle with respect to even trying to get 0.00001% Muslim vote for Modi is a not starter. In fact it is non starter for BJP. By just making his style of general statements "Secularism = India first" are brilliant and has no overtones for any side without giving examples. He can keep on doing that. But there is certain Hindutva core (not aam Hindu voter) who don't like any biz with Muslims. If you say we can put a train between Ajmeer and some other Muslim pilgrimage center and also explicitly explain that in that train folks can do Quran patan and do namaaz, the result could be ( could be) that while not getting the 0.00001% Muslim votes, the pissed off Hindutva voter can sit out. The sit out did happen in both 2004 and 2009. Again this is a thought and doesn't need to be forcefully thrown out.

A few days back I was told on the same thread a tent theory. Don't we want these hard-core Hindutva voters too. Why to lose them for no real gain? Again it is a paranoid to think that Modi will lose just because of one example is really a stretch.

Fair questions but the answers are somewhat muddled so let me attempt to lay them down as best I can.

There is a groundswell of anger against the UPA/congress. In my acquaintance there are middle class muslims who are for the first time conflicted on whether to go with the BJP. They're conflicted because they see an able administrator in stark comparison to the incompetent mess that plays at Government at the center now. I don't see any benefit of pandering to this class of muslims. They're never going to believe it and that's not what they're(the ones willing to break with the vote banks) looking at anyway. That said I don't think he was pandering or looking for the Muslim vote there. It was merely an example of many in the context of the Railways. I wouldn't have registered it as anything special if I hadn't been looking for it after going through the thread.

That aside I think the time has come for people decide to whether they want the UPA gone. muraliravi is entitled to be angry if his own outlook is not being met as are other like SwamyG to be dissatisfied with his current response to 2002. The question in a representative democracy however is never whether the candidate if your clone it's merely whether you'd prefer him to the alternative. We can all continue without the regular schedule of wailing and rending of garments as we watch our country burn or we can vote for a good if imperfect candidate who may atleast try and put the flames out.

Like I said .. muddled.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 17 Mar 2013 15:33

“We are not begging for special status. It is our right.” He asked, “Don't we have the right to progress?” - Nitish Kumar

This is the guy who was being projected by many a cheer girls as == and even better than Modi. Bhikari saala

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Mar 2013 16:13

Sanku wrote:
Arjun wrote:In yesterday's speech there was no way he could have talked about developing spiritual 'circuits' and restricted himself to Hindu and Sikh ones. .
No its absolutely the right thing to do. That is the whole point.

This "inclusiveness" is BS and a completely unnecessary compulsion.

It is a different matter that Modi also wilted under pressure to include that. Which is fine, after all he is not a messiah (despite all the views here) -- and works under the same constraints as others.

What Modi said was absolutely according to Savarkar's demand - that Muslims consider Bharat their Punyabhoomi, they should consider their places of pilgrimage to be in India.

He packaged the message brilliantly in an economic narrative of increased revenue through pilgrimage rail-traffic. NaMo did not wilt under pressure, but in fact sent the real message piggy-back on a unexpected carrier wave.

Also the "inclusiveness" is very much required. It is not the Muslims he is trying to impress. It is the huge mass of people who have drunk the secularism kool-aid in the last 65 years. If they think the guy does not sound all too aggressive towards the Muslims and indeed inclusive, they will refuse to buy the Congress junk that he is a threat to the nation. It doesn't really matter what the Muslims think about it. Important is that he doesn't sound "fanatic" to secularists.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Mar 2013 16:27

Sagar G wrote:
“We are not begging for special status. It is our right.” He asked, “Don't we have the right to progress?” - Nitish Kumar
This is the guy who was being projected by many a cheer girls as == and even better than Modi. Bhikari saala

atleast bihar and WB CMs continuously raise their voices and beg for bailouts. congressi CMs like in assam cannot even do that...madam would be angry

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 17 Mar 2013 16:29

RajeshA wrote: What Modi said was absolutely according to Savarkar's demand - that Muslims consider Bharat their Punyabhoomi, they should consider their places of pilgrimage to be in India.

He packaged the message brilliantly in an economic narrative of increased revenue through pilgrimage rail-traffic. NaMo did not wilt under pressure, but in fact sent the real message piggy-back on a unexpected carrier wave.

At this point of time, I am not sure that view will be impressed by riding on the carrier wave. In fact I am not even sure if what Savarkar intended would even come to being without other larger scale "corrections"

Important is that he doesn't sound "fanatic" to secularists.

Which is what I said; the "system" puts certain constraints.

But anyway, it was a sidelight in a fairly decent event. Lets not make it a big deal.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 17 Mar 2013 16:33

RajeshA wrote: What Modi said was absolutely according to Savarkar's demand - that Muslims consider Bharat their Punyabhoomi, they should consider their places of pilgrimage to be in India.

Yes.. Savarkarite model fits on NM perfectly..

Regarding Ajmer being Punyabhumi, the ball is in the court of so called liberal Muslims. Can they muster courage to overthrow Mullah and his literal interpretation of Kuran and start considering India as Punyabhumi? Can they start respecting other ways of worship as legitimate ways of attaining supreme (even if they do not subscribe to those ways) and remove the concept of infidelity from theology?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Mar 2013 16:40

RamaY wrote:Many thanks to RajeshA garu,

Shri Narendra Modi addressing the India Today Coclave 2013

This is the Bharatiya speech that resonates the heart and soul of this thread.

RamaY ji,

indeed. This was a speech on Bharatiya-centric thinking!

NaMo did not push the issue too much, but he said he was in favor of full indigenization of our military procurement, self-reliance of our military-industrial complex and working towards becoming an exporter of defense hardware.

He did not want to get too much into the security challenge from China and Pakistan, and said he hopes to build relations of mutual cooperation, that he will of course work to protect our national interests (hitt), and that he believes India should establish itself as a "knowledge power". Basically he is talking about security based on upgrading defense technology. He did not allow himself to be talked into as a warmonger but he did put forth his views on what he hopes to do.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Mar 2013 16:46

Sanku wrote:
Important is that he doesn't sound "fanatic" to secularists.
Which is what I said; the "system" puts certain constraints.

But anyway, it was a sidelight in a fairly decent event. Lets not make it a big deal.

Yes Sanku ji,

in order to speak in this system, somebody who may have the ambition to one day lead the nation, has to use speech very carefully.

As long as there is such a large chunk of people who have MK Gandhi and Nehruvian kool-aid flowing in their blood-stream, who believe that Hindu and Islam are compatible systems, so long one would have to make speeches which throw a few droppings of "inclusiveness" also.

The Bharatiyata narrative, the Hindutva narrative are not yet mainstream in the way that they appeal to over 55% of the population.

If one doesn't go according to these constraints of speech, one can also become a great leader, but one would not become the consensus candidate in this age of coalition politics.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 17 Mar 2013 18:14

Modi reference to Minority and trains if indeed part of a plan could only be to attract the fence sitter Sekular cool aid drinking dhimmi hindus, I doubt it is to attract any minority vote. We can do away with any confusion here. Btw INC 100 carore budget and NREGA for Social Media is showing up on internet. On most comment board, where INC related column would be 1:100, now it is almost 50:50 and at some places exceeding. The quality of comment is as per INC standard. I think Amresh Mishra types have been privately told that to go on offensive using faulest mean as Cong (Italy) will save them. There is a change of strategy.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Mar 2013 18:18

I have not seen this anywhere so far....canal topped with a cover 750m long that has solar panels - generate power and prevent evaporation in one shot

http://www.solarserver.com/solar-magazi ... india.html

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 17 Mar 2013 18:48

Sanku ji and Muppalla ji,

Thanks for seeing my viewpoint. I apologize if whined a lot. But the moot point which i dont understand is, being the shrewd politician that NaMo is, he committed 2 mistakes.

1. Unnecessary mention of ajmer and haji stuff, he could avoided hindu stuff also, which would have been more typical of Namo.

2. Even the 1st mistake maybe tolerable based your feedback so far, but here is the gem screwup totally un-Namo-like: If there is increasing trade with pakistan, pakistan will reduce its harkatein. Oh c'mon, is the Namo. Here is a guy who has said in 2 interviews, that education also will not remove domestic terrorism from muslims, he has said pakistan has a goal of establishing darul-islam and now he pulls of this gem. To me that is the most indigestible phrase from NaMo.

vic · Post by **vic** » 17 Mar 2013 18:54

Hinduism is about Ramayana and Mahabharat, how and when did this discourse turn to ahimsa? I am not aware of any Hindu Scripture even talking about turning the other cheek

vic · Post by **vic** » 17 Mar 2013 18:57

Advani mistake was to alienate his own vote bank in effort to get Muslim votes. Now the issue is whether anti modi voting would be greater then the votes in his favor or he will become PM?

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 17 Mar 2013 18:59

Singha wrote:
Sagar G wrote:“We are not begging for special status. It is our right.” He asked, “Don't we have the right to progress?” - Nitish Kumar

This is the guy who was being projected by many a cheer girls as == and even better than Modi. Bhikari saala
atleast bihar and WB CMs continuously raise their voices and beg for bailouts. congressi CMs like in assam cannot even do that...madam would be angry

Re:"Bhikari sala"

Sagar ji,
If you heard NaMo's speech he too talks about begging as something far better (and Dharmic) than say rent seeking from the biggies for garnering his election funds. In this case even if Nitish ji is begging he is doing it for a far important purpose to feed and clothe his own people. As Singha ji says these non congressi CMs clamoring for greater share in central funds (i.e ownership over the resources a state generates - all rich states like Guj,TN,Punjab etc are doing this) or for special packages (as in poor but resource rich states - like Bihar and WB) are at least doing their DUTY (aka Raj Dharma).

Look at my state (AP),
Forget about getting investment and infra projects to the state,
the Congrez CM runs off and camps outside the gates of Madam's residence , asking for an "audience" , every other fortnight even for settling minor quibbles within his state unit.
The central "leadership" deliberately keeps him weak and inflicts this weak CM on the people to prevent any chance of political consolidation against the "madam" within the state congress unit itself ... and we are a state which supplies 40 MPs to the Loksabha .

Even the corrupt EJ-pandering unprincipled DMK types have my respect for fighting for their state's rights and trying to get the best for their state just as JJ did previously. They used their central cabinet positions in Textile , Ports , Telecommunications etc to direct Investment to their states and generated much needed employment and wealth for TN.

In contrast the job nature of an average congressi CM is worse than a dog... .

In the end Nitish is far better than laloos or mullahyams absent or snoring away in NDC meetings

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 17 Mar 2013 19:05

suryag wrote:NaMo was fabulous, the questions that he didnt answer to the satisfaction of BRF residents were that on the indigenization of our weapons and the one one on geopolity. But of course given his abilities it is clear he can manage these and allied areas with ease when need arises. It was more of a presidential kind of debate except that there was no one on the opposite side, how i wish we had mr.dimple on the other side

True. However, some of the questions and especially the one about Pakistan is an IED laid for him. Observe his initial questioning of branding done by Rahul Kanwal.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 17 Mar 2013 19:14

Source of Loh Purush's poison, man on mission to repeat 2009 for BJP in 2014.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 17 Mar 2013 19:36

Sanku wrote:

Of course there will be people like Sita Ram Goel to whom such behavior would be "windbag" like, but then this balance of ideology and practicality has never been easy. Supporters of BJP need to understand that, including the core 5%, maybe later this 5% when it has grown to 20% under more favorable climes can push the polity further towards it cause, but till then it has to go with the best available and bide its time with small incremental steps.

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Time Period Sitaram Goel talked about during that "Windbag" was no where near becoming even mayor of a city, forget about PM. Don't forget his SFI background. So your's rationalization of Windbag's nehruvian obsession is imagination of your fertile mind.

I am sorry to disappoint you but comparing Modi to Windbag is like comparing an apple to poop (from Hindutva perspective). For example, Modi is a true bachelor while windbag was just unmarried. That should tell the difference between two. Please don't arrange piggyback ride for your idol on Namo.

Regarding all those going nuts over Modi's mention of Ajmer, Haji Miyan etc. Please read this letter to Aurangjeb from Shivaji after Aagra escape:

To the Emperor Alamgir -

"This firm and constant well-wisher Shivaji, after rendering thanks for the grace of God and the favours of the Emperor - which are clearer than the Sun, - begs to inform Your Majesty that, although this well-wisher was led by his adverse Fate to come away from your August Presence (at Agra) without taking leave, yet he is ever ready to perform, to the fullest extent possible and proper, everything that duty as a servant and gratitude demand of him.
......
http://hero-for-modern-india.blogspot.c ... ngzeb.html

I will get worried if he apologize for 2002 before taking oath for the post of PM or declaring recruitment of 200000 Urdu teachers wearing a green cap or displaying pusillanimity like Kandhar-99.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 17 Mar 2013 20:25

One thing I did not like about Modi's vision was India being an arms exporter. Though there are enough nuances and exceptions, where a country will need arms for its protection; I think India should not get into that business any more. In fact it should curtail that. Was it in BRF that I read, many moons ago, that India was one of the two countries to not export arms?

There are plenty of rural schools, run differently. And I am a business trying to make profit by selling them school supplies. I am ready to make school desks, tables, chairs, chalk, blackboard, smart board, printers, computers, uniforms, shoes, lunch boxes, water bottles, eye glasses, ityadi ityadi.....but I am not going to manufacture canes that would be used for punishing students. So is the case with geo-politics, there are plenty of ways to make money let us not make money by selling arms.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 17 Mar 2013 20:51

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If we see Canes as not punishment tools but tools of discipline, then they become purposeful.

Same with arms/technology too. That response to Gen Malik is to show absolute military independence. A nation of Bharat's size and capacity must be able to support its friends, which includes arms supplies.

Imagine Bharat sending right military technologies to its friends in Af-Pak and ASEAN theaters.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 17 Mar 2013 20:56

muraliravi wrote: 2. Even the 1st mistake maybe tolerable based your feedback so far, but here is the gem screwup totally un-Namo-like: If there is increasing trade with pakistan, pakistan will reduce its harkatein. Oh c'mon, is the Namo. Here is a guy who has said in 2 interviews, that education also will not remove domestic terrorism from muslims, he has said pakistan has a goal of establishing darul-islam and now he pulls of this gem. To me that is the most indigestible phrase from NaMo.

It is a nuanced position. His observations are right, and we have examples on hand. Just academic education, getting degree vegree from Universities have not reduced terrorism; Islamic terrorists from UK and USA are a proof of that. As far as trade goes, when countries are deeply involved/integrated in trade, they will not resort to open war. USA-Saudi, USA-China, for that matter China and any other country. China would not want to sabotage other countries that are buying material from them in large numbers.

Trade and education are two issues, and I am glad he has such nuanced positions.

RamaY: I knew somebody will use the word "discipline"

I was going to use it myself. However once the cane is shipped to the schools, there is no way can one enforce the cane is not used for abuse. There are so may opportunities to make money.....why arms.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 17 Mar 2013 20:56

One thing I did not like about Modi's vision was India being an arms exporter. Though there are enough nuances and exceptions, where a country will need arms for its protection; I think India should not get into that business any more. In fact it should curtail that. Was it in BRF that I read, many moons ago, that India was one of the two countries to not export arms?

There is no place in this world for this kind of sanctimonious idealism. it is critical for us to have a thriving military-industrial complex driven by exports. When countries depend on your weapons to win wars, you can control them. You can also start arming your enemy's enemy, thus tilting the geo-political balance in your favour. Exports are also necessary to drive innovation in weapon manufacturing.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 17 Mar 2013 20:59

SwamyG wrote:One thing I did not like about Modi's vision was India being an arms exporter. Though there are enough nuances and exceptions, where a country will need arms for its protection; I think India should not get into that business any more. In fact it should curtail that. Was it in BRF that I read, many moons ago, that India was one of the two countries to not export arms?

Tibet is there to take such a role.