Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

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Jinnah’s Pakistan
Often, people with a liberal bent in Pakistan quote Jinnah’s August 11, 1947 speech and want Pakistan to be modelled on the vision presented in it. But let me tell you the bitter truth: this is Jinnah’s Pakistan!

Why? First, simply because except for the lone August 11 speech, there is nothing much in Jinnah’s utterances, which points towards a secular or even mildly religious state. The August 11, 1947 speech was a rare, only once presented, vision. No wonder then that the Government of Pakistan, through secretary general Chaudhry Mohammad Ali, initially censored the rather liberal parts of the speech. Certainly, this change of mind on Jinnah’s part was a shock for many in the Muslim League, especially since here was a person who, not so long ago, had promised Islamic rule! In his address to the Muslims of India on Eid in 1945, for example, Jinnah had noted: “Islam is not merely confined to the spiritual tenets and doctrines or rituals and ceremonies. It is a complete code regulating the whole Muslim society, every department of life, collective[ly] and individually”. Many such speeches can be quoted, which clearly indicated that Jinnah had promised a country based on Islamic principles — rather than secular ones — to the people.
Therefore, Jinnah’s Pakistan is an Islamic state, which defines who a Muslim is, excludes those Muslims it does not like and is not very democratic. Imagining it in any other way is living in a dreamland and refusing to accept the reality. However, this does not mean that Pakistan is unworkable. Pakistan might be saddled with issues of the past, but surely we can accept and solve them, if we want.
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Pakistan might be saddled with issues of the past, but surely we can accept and solve them, if we want.
The biggest problem that Pakistan has to solve is Islam.
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varunkumar wrote:
Pakistan might be saddled with issues of the past, but surely we can accept and solve them, if we want.
The biggest problem that Pakistan has to solve is Islam.

I think the real problem of Pakistan is their false narrative of dominance which is a lie for which they rely on Islam. This false narrative is an instability in their history and takes them on many wrong paths.
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^ compulsive lies, suspension of deniels, delusions, obsessions...so many psychological problems. How can they ever be cured?
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Christians told, ‘protest again and you will die!’

Zina Of Pakistan.Gentlanimal of Jinnapark
HUNDREDS of Pakistani Christians became homeless in Badami Bagh, Lahore, on Saturday, March 9 after an attack by a mob of 3000 fanatics. Two hundred homes in the Joseph Colony were turned to ashes and poor Christians of the neighbourhood are now living in the streets, desperate for food and other needs. Their children cannot attend school or college due to the destruction and fear. Many residents have expressed great dismay and sorrow, and depression is seeping through the entire community. One Sajid Masih said, “I feel helpless and unable to do anything for myself and my family”, as he broke into tears. Christians around the country are incensed by the recurring theme of blasphemy allegation followed by attacks and burning down of their vulnerable communities. They have held protests across the country in a concerted effort to vent their disgust at the recent incident and to show solidarity with the victims. Jhelum controversy: Muslims of Jhelum city have threatened to burn Christians home in response to the protests. Now the community is living in fear of reprisals for their simple act of condemning violence and the blasphemy laws of Pakistan. According to sources, on March 12, 2013, when Christians of Jhelum city went to protest against the violence in Joseph Colony, chanting slogans “Repeal Blasphemy Law” and “Blasphemy law is Black Law”, local imams called on Muslims from the mosque loudspeakers to gather and punish those Christians who were decrying the blasphemy law. Local radicals have pressured the area police station to lodge a First Investigation Report – FIR under 295-C PPC against Christians who chanted slogans against the blasphemy laws.Basharat Khokhar, a human rights activist, told us that around 26 Christian families have been living among the large Muslim population of Machine 2 mohallah since Partition. The local Christians arranged a protest to show solidarity with Christians of Joseph Colony, and Mr George Masih led the protest rally. They obtained permission from the district police officer (DPO) who provided them with security. There were 250 people in the protest rally. The next day Muslims demanded the arrest of George Masih and called for the registration of an FIR against him. Sialkot: Pastor Naeem Bhadhar, a Presbyterian missionary living in a village Kalaswala, Pasroor Road, district Sialkot, 140 kilometres away from Lahore city, told me on telephone that he had arranged a protest rally in their city, but on March 14 when he was travelling back to his village a few radical Muslims from Jamaatud Dawa severely beat him with sticks and destroyed his motorcycle. He was severely injured and was taken to hospital where he got a number of stitches on his left arm. He has been warned by the extremist group that if any Christian organises further protests, he will be killed!British Pakistani Christian Association Chairman Wilson Chowdhry has said, “The quality of life for Pakistani Christians has reached its nadir, this recent attack on Badami Bagh is unwarranted and a blight on the nation.” St Joseph’s community have been left destitute and homeless and when other Pakistani Christian communities decried this treatment, they have been savagely attacked by police authorities and threatened by local imams.
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What are the origins of these Christians? were they living there before independence or did they migrant there from India in support of 2 nation theory? if the latter, why cry for them, they chose their own fate.
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ramana wrote:
varunkumar wrote: The biggest problem that Pakistan has to solve is Islam.

I think the real problem of Pakistan is their false narrative of dominance which is a lie for which they rely on Islam. This false narrative is an instability in their history and takes them on many wrong paths.
The false narrative is the essence of islam. Take any non-arabic islamic country you can see in them denial of their pre-islamic past, bloody border with kafir neighbours, etc, etc. If you want a permanent solution for any problem then you have to boldly go to the root cause. Treating symptoms will at best give temporary relief. In the case of pakistan the root cause of their problem is islam.
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venug wrote:What are the origins of these Christians? were they living there before independence or did they migrant there from India in support of 2 nation theory? if the latter, why cry for them, they chose their own fate.

You need to follow the evolution of Pakisatan the real story.

The Hindus were cleansed out of TSP to make it a pure state. But they still need lesser people to do stuff they wont do. Butchers, safai kaamdars etc they had already converted long ago. *

So many of the rest became Christians to be able to live. Many couldn't escape the rat hole and became Christians.

Now all that is coming to an end.



* "To the Frontier" Geoffery Moorhouse, circa 1988
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The Christians of Pakistan cannot be saved but for another Gardarene pig miracle. The demons possessing Pakistan can never exit. That is what is so horrific :mrgreen: about the situation in Pakistan.
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Gadarene?
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On further thought perhaps Pakistanis are the Gardarene swine, now possessed of the exorcised historical demons of India, rushing downhill into the lake. :mrgreen:
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sanjaykumar wrote:On further thought perhaps Pakistanis are the Gardarene swine, now possessed of the exorcised historical demons of India, rushing downhill into the lake. :mrgreen:
What else do you think?

Pakistanis are not Muslims. They are a Indian Hindu-Baniya conspiracy to become a world migraine as a payback to west and middle east.

That is why India always spared Pakistan to survive. When East-Pakistanis tried to spoil this secret Brahmin project, the Brahmins colluded with Pakistani army and created Bangladesh.

This Brahmin project entered (rather pushed into) 2nd phase when the Hindu-fundamentalist BJP came in to power. This is what was discussed when Musharraf came to Agra.

All Paki nukes are going to land in Saudi Arabia and Europe as soon as CSD is triggered. That is the secret signal for the Brahmin agents in Paki Army.

P.S: Kiayani, Hamid Gul, Hafiz Pig etc father is a Brahmin.
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Thanks Ramana, it is spelled Gadarene.
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dont lose heart guys everything is business as usual in land of pure
Sectarian killings continue : College principal among four gunned down
Four including a college principal were killed in separate targeted attacks across the city on Monday.

Principal of Degree College Liaquatabad Syed Sibt-e-Jaffer Zaidi was gunned down near Sindhi Hotel. Liaquatabad police said at least two armed riders shot at 53-year-old Zaidi, when he was returning home. The victim received six bullet wounds and died on the spot. The body was brought to Abbasi Shaheed Hospital (ASH) for medico-legal formalities. Police said that Zaidi was a great poet and also wrote many books. He further said that he wrote thousands of Marsiah, Naats and Noohe in his life. Meanwhile, Sindh Professors and Lecturers Association (SPLA) strongly condemned the killing of the principal and announced boycott of educational activities in colleges across Sindh :lol: . Secretary General of Majlis-e-Wahdat-e-Muslimeen (MWM) Allama Raja Nasir Abbas Jafri said that people of Pakistan lost a great teacher, poet, and that his murder was the slaying of Urdu literature and Urdu marsiah. Other eminent scholars of the MWM also condemned the targeted murders of Shia professionals and notable.

They denounced the government, judiciary and law enforcement agencies for their failure to protect Shias of Pakistan. A three-day mourning has been announced to express condolence.

Separately, a policeman was killed at Pak Jamorai colony near Kala Pul. A police officer at Frere police station said that Assistant sub-Inspector (ASI) Zakir Hussain alias Commando :mrgreen: , 39, was on his motorcycle when two unidentified armed pillion riders opened fire at him. Resultantly, he received over 16 bullets in his body and died on the spot. The body was shifted to the hospital for postmortem. He was posted at Defence police station and had been doing a course for service promotion at Police Training Centre Baldia. Sources told that Zakir was a friend of Arshad Pappu and Shera Pathan, a notorious Lyari gang war criminal. :rotfl:

Meanwhile, an owner of shop Shahrukh Ali, 22, was killed inside his shop at Ghans Mandi, Lyari. Napier police said the victim was sitting at his shop when two armed riders shot him dead. Ali received multiple bullet wounds and died on way to the hospital. Police suspected that members of Lyari warfare killed him over extortion matter.

A man Danish {Sounds Christian name}, 22, was killed at his shop situated in Gharibabad. Liquatabad police said that unidentified culprits shot the man dead while he was asleep. staff report

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sanjaykumar wrote:On further thought perhaps Pakistanis are the Gardarene swine, now possessed of the exorcised historical demons of India, rushing downhill into the lake. :mrgreen:
All those animals , especially Bakras sacrifced in the Yagnas of olden days have now taken rebirth as Poaqskunkpiggyopians. Jhatka was the preferred technique then. They could not shit when the Muunddi was suddenly removed with one sharp blow . Now they have come to enjoy Halal way so their lights go off slowly and shitting in the direction of the Sacred land of India.
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al bakis buying junk like there is no tomorrow
Pakistan buys 55% of China’s arms exports
China has overtaken Britain to become the world’s fifth largest arms exporter with 5% of the global trade, its highest position since the Cold War, a Swedish think tank said on Monday.

China’s arms exports in 2008-2012 grew by 162% compared to the previous five years, with most of them — 55% — going to Pakistan.
Pakistan has long been China’s key ally in South Asia. The report also named Myanmar, Bangladesh and Venezuela as importers of Chinese arms.
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interesting
Pakistan's woe: For decades fighting the enemy within
While the state and society pretend to love the Arabian mullahs' Islam as a theory, they lack the readiness to live it. This society was told for generations that the state and all its resources must serve only Islam and fight the enemies of Islam. The "Westernised" men in power believed this slogan would serve them well, without demanding any change in their officer's-mess culture. But political ulema (Islamic legal scholars) were not their slaves; they had great ambitions with the "Holy Arab Empire" behind them. As generals and bureaucrats plunged in their prosperity drive and property deals, organised Islam steadily entered the lower ranks in all centres of power and lashed out at the semi-liberal patterns of society, calling it depravity, perversion and shameless rebellion against Allah.
read full article
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Brad Goodman wrote:dont lose heart guys everything is business as usual in land of pure
Sectarian killings continue : College principal among four gunned down

A man Danish {Sounds Christian name}, 22, was killed at his shop situated in Gharibabad. Liquatabad police said that unidentified culprits shot the man dead while he was asleep. staff report
Daanesh = Persian for "learning, wisdom, science". Moslem name.
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sanjaykumar wrote:Thanks Ramana, it is spelled Gadarene.

Sanjay, I agree these are the gadahrene swine!

RAPES are like that control freak pig in 1984
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Brad Goodman wrote:interesting
Pakistan's woe: For decades fighting the enemy within
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We fought India each time to lose, because the US did not support us, but we won against the Soviets because the "free world" stood behind us.
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The Holy Prophet of Islam desired to know the essence of things, but Muslim societies forever produced only imam, the poet Hafiz and mujahid.
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Wow he claims pakis won against soviets :rotfl:
His prophet desired to know the essence of things.... what a joke. If his prophet had really desired to know essence of things islam would not be what it is today.
This guy is having wet dreams. :rotfl:
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Ramana garu, thank you. I will read more on the thread.
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Brad Goodman wrote:interesting
Pakistan's woe: For decades fighting the enemy within
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We fought India each time to lose, because the US did not support us, but we won against the Soviets because the "free world" stood behind us.
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The Holy Prophet of Islam desired to know the essence of things, but Muslim societies forever produced only imam, the poet Hafiz and mujahid.
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read full article
The Persian poet Hafez can hardly be called a product of Islam. While Rumi's work is proto-Manichaen in its attitude and method, Hafez' ontology is totally Zoroastrian. That's why Zoroastrian Fire Temples keep a copy of Hafez on their altars. Moreover, Hafez is provocatively irreverent towards Islamic red lines in his philosophy, his spiritual method as well as his metaphor. Mullas have always hated him, and even wanted to dig up his grave and the beautiful memorial built on it. Yet, the fact is that he captured the mind-share of Iranic people and is the most referred book, only nominally considered second to the Qur'an in reverence.

از آن بـه دیر مـغانـم عزیز می دارند
کـه آتشی که نمیرد همیشه در دل ماست

az aan beh Deyr e Moghaan am aziz midaarad
keh aatashi ke nemirad hamisheh dar del e maast!


"In the Temple of the Magi, I am welcome because
The Fire that never dies, in my heart is awake forever!"
-- HAFEZ

In another couplet he says whatever he knows he was taught by the Zoroastrian priest in the temple nearby. Also, his spiritual initiation was by consuming a glass of wine. Maybe it was metaphorical, but probably not - considering that many "Sufi" brotherhoods at those times often lived in the dilapidated ruins of Mithra temples around Iran...and performed their initiations in the wine cellars...
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In the Puki tradition of being Entitled to everything for free, this parasite "wants India to do much more to normalise trading relations".

Some of the things this ass*ole wants India to do:

He wants to dictate what RBI should be doing for allowing pakistani banks to open branches
-To forego from insisting on a Sovreign rating(Of course the Pukis Soverign rating is Junk :D ).

-Should not insist on Minumum Capital of Rs 500 Crs (which the International beggars of course dont have :D ).

-He wants to dictate that India should not make Political relations a factor in deciding Banking Liscences (Wants unrestricted right to launder money and finance anti-india operations and pronto).

-He wants Pakistan to be able to open branches without investment or any commitement.(Refusing to come through the fully owned subsidiary route).

-Says since the prices of Pakistani agricultural products are much higher then Indian products, Indian agriculture is more subsidised then paksitan's hence pakistani will not open that sector for free trade.(Conviniently forgetting that Indian Products are cheaper compared to Pakisani ones as they have economies of scale and have higher productivity per acre).

-Pakistani Pharmaceutical Market cannot be opened up to Indian products as there are Quality concerns and wants to dictate what kind of regulatory system Indian Pharma sector should be having. (Shitistani's talking about Quality and Regulatory Systems :rotfl: ).

-Blaming the problems in normalising relations on Indian Bureaucracy. All this while making light of the fact that MFN status is not given to India while showing the hateli mein chand of granting it sometime hopefully in the future.

This from a Certified RAPE - Dean of one of the top ranking university (By Puki Standards :lol: ) a former minister and planning commision member.
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Another RAPE wanting to latch on to the Indian Gravy Train.

Pakistan now feels it is being left behind in the race. India is a big economy — eight times bigger than Pakistan. Smaller economies must try to benefit from the growth in bigger economies. For example, Canada is a small country but the standard of living of its people is quite high because of the benefits it availed from the US. Similarly, after the North American Free Trade Agreement, Mexico has done extremely well because of its trade relations with the US. So,if Pakistan tries to benefit from its neighbours China and India, we can do well.

Its all about "availing benefits from others".The Suited Booted way of demanding Jizyah.
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BS interviews in BS. Nice.
Who is this Nayanima Basu asking there are extremists on both sides of the border type of questions?
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pankajs wrote:Jinnah’s Pakistan
First, simply because except for the lone August 11 speech, there is nothing much in Jinnah’s utterances, which points towards a secular or even mildly religious state. The August 11, 1947 speech was a rare, only once presented, vision.
We have been saying that in BRf for at least a decade. We compared Pakistan with Nazi Germany, also a decade back. We said about ZAB's islamism of TSP.
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Captive Indian sailors blame Pak crew for `facilitating’ vessel hijack
NEW DELHI: Indian seafarers who were held in captivity by Somali pirates for over a year have blamed Pakistani crew members of the ship, MT Royal Grace, for providing `inside information' to the pirates and thus facilitating the hijacking of the vessel. They have told Indian authorities that the pirates were even speaking in Urdu. Apart from the 17 Indians on MT Royal Grace, 11 more Indians have been rescued by the Indian mission in Oman from another vessel, MT Smyrni.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Zardari, Kiyanahi et al, do a adhikar rally like Nitish. As one wise rakshak said they really think they are an Indian province. Parasites.
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Hail Aman ki Aasha!!!
Pak hand in Somali Pirates capturing Indian crew

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 055675.cms
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All about TFTA Meat.

First eating grass and now eating meat of Dogs, Donkeys and even Human Flesh as Halaal Food!!!!
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saravana wrote:they really think they are an Indian province. Parasites.
Sometime I wonder if the Jinnah/Muslim league plan was an immature one that assumed that once the Muslim elite left India, the rest of India would collapse and beg/warrant re-invasion by "Mughals"

Looks like the Pakistani mindset never actually left India. They lived in Pakistan and thanked Allah for their luck, but always fancied a victorious return to India. I think what the "Paki mindset" or idea of Pakistan did not guess was that India would be happy to be rid of them

For all the spouting we have on BRF for reclaim of Paki territories, which some Indians no doubt may feel is needed, I think a significant percentage of Indians are happy to be rid of the Pakistan Islamic entitlement pestilence. Many Indians really don't want to have anything to do with that toilet bowl state Pakistan. Oh yes we are neighbours and I have heard the crap that we cannot choose our neighbours. But we need not choose to be over friendly with them. After all we store pure shit in our own intestines and let it out at set times of day in a fixed place. Contact is limited. We don't voluntarily smear our own faeces all over ourselves just because we must live with shit inside our bodies using the excuse "Crap is my neighbour" excuse

Having heard the GoI viewpoint from intelligent and erudite bureaucrats like Shivshankar Menon and Pillai, I disagree with both of them They are showing attitudes that makes Philip rightly ask "Wither Indian diplomacy?" Indians don't really care for Pakistan and should not be forced to do anything other than what Pakistanis deserve - that is to be shot if they try to cross back into India.

Is this being Anti-Islamic? Well if Pakistan is Islam then yes this is anti-Islamic. I am anti-Pakistan and anyone who believes that Pakistan is Islam is welcome to call me an Islamophobe. Pakistanis do claim that Pakistan is Islam don't they?

Do I wish for the Pakistani state to collapse? I don't give a damn whether they collapse or not, but I am certain to cheer if they do. Am I saddened by Pakitan's continued existence. I don't give a damn. I am not "saddened" by the existence of a toilet near my house. It has its utility.

Are my views unreasonable and inhuman? No more inhuman than the terrorists who come from Pakistan. No more inhuman than the murderers in Pakistan.
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pankajs wrote:Jinnah’s Pakistan
Often, people with a liberal bent in Pakistan quote Jinnah’s August 11, 1947 speech and want Pakistan to be modelled on the vision presented in it. But let me tell you the bitter truth: this is Jinnah’s Pakistan!

Why? First, simply because except for the lone August 11 speech, there is nothing much in Jinnah’s utterances, which points towards a secular or even mildly religious state. The August 11, 1947 speech was a rare, only once presented, vision. No wonder then that the Government of Pakistan, through secretary general Chaudhry Mohammad Ali, initially censored the rather liberal parts of the speech. Certainly, this change of mind on Jinnah’s part was a shock for many in the Muslim League, especially since here was a person who, not so long ago, had promised Islamic rule! In his address to the Muslims of India on Eid in 1945, for example, Jinnah had noted: “Islam is not merely confined to the spiritual tenets and doctrines or rituals and ceremonies. It is a complete code regulating the whole Muslim society, every department of life, collective[ly] and individually”. Many such speeches can be quoted, which clearly indicated that Jinnah had promised a country based on Islamic principles — rather than secular ones — to the people.
Therefore, Jinnah’s Pakistan is an Islamic state, which defines who a Muslim is, excludes those Muslims it does not like and is not very democratic. Imagining it in any other way is living in a dreamland and refusing to accept the reality. However, this does not mean that Pakistan is unworkable. Pakistan might be saddled with issues of the past, but surely we can accept and solve them, if we want.
Jinnah's Pakistan is a place where every day is a "direct action day". Thats what he wanted in 1946 when India was united, and thats what Pakistanis got. They still have many direct actions. MQM, Pashtuns in Karachi, Taliban in FATA, Army in Balochistan, and Momeen all over Pakistan are dutifully conducting direct action days.
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Proving once again that Pakistan is an equal opportunity terrorist state.
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Pakistan Islamic varsity head sacks staff for speaking to women

Islamabad, Mar 18:

The Saudi Arabian head of Pakistan’s International Islamic University has stirred up a controversy by firing employees who spoke to women colleagues and taking action against an official for allegedly watching a movie on the internet.

Ahmed Yousif Al-Draiweesh, the president of the prestigious varsity, can neither speak Urdu nor English and is unable to communicate with students or members of the faculty without a battery of interpreters.

He recently issued instructions to fire a member of the Urdu faculty for delivering a lecture in Urdu but was subsequently forced to reconsider the decision.

Draiweesh’s tenure “has been marked by language problems, cultural differences and irregularities that have increased mistrust and suspicion” between the university’s management and faculty, the Dawn newspaper reported.

The president began termination proceedings against the director of the university’s finance wing, a male, because he spoke to a female employee.

Action was also taken against the director of human resources, who has been working at the varsity for 30 years, for talking to a female employee.

A hostel provost was removed after a group of students accused him of “watching a movie on the Internet”, an unnamed official told the daily.

Such a matter is “a minor crime in Pakistan” and the provost should have received a warning but Draiweesh removed him as the “crime is more serious in Saudi Arabia”, the official contended.

Referring to the problems under Draiweesh, an unnamed official said: “There are around 23,000 students in the university, most of whom cannot communicate with the president at all.”

Faculty members too claimed they had been affected, as those who speak Arabic have “managed to get close” to Draiweesh, a position from which they can influence policy.

The state-run International Islamic University was once considered one of the world’s leading centres for the study of Islamic thought, law and history.

Nine persons were killed when two suicide bombers targeted the varsity in October 2009.

It was then widely reported that the institution was targeted because of the liberal stance of teachers.

University spokesman Hairan Khattak confirmed Draiweesh’s language difficulties but claimed they had caused no problems.

However, one official recounted a disturbing situation that occurred two weeks ago due to the language barrier.

Draiweesh attended a lecture and began to suspect that the professor was speaking in Urdu, a fact that was later confirmed.

“Because (the university’s) policy is that teachers must lecture in either English or Arabic, Dr Draiweesh issued instructions to terminate the teacher,” the official said.

It later emerged that the professor was a member of the Urdu faculty and was giving a lecture on that subject, which cannot be taught in any other language.

After what the official described as “a long discussion”, the professor was allowed to keep his position.

But Draiweesh’s lack of fluency in English and Urdu has required the presence of “at least five” interpreters or translators, who translate every letter written to him and communicate on his behalf.

According to Mohammad Iqbal, a former vice chancellor of Punjab University, effective administration requires communication.

“If the president can’t understand his teachers and students, how can he convey instructions to them, how can he guide them?” he said.

Draiweesh was appointed president of the varsity in October last year.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

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https://www.quora.com/Pakistan/What-doe ... t-Pakistan

My answer was not published :((
Following are the thoughts that come to one's mind when thinking about Pakistan.

1 - Backward.
2 - Religious Extremists.
3 - Terrorist School of the world.
4 - Irresponsible Nuclear Country (Nuclear proliferation)
5 - World Bank / IMF Loan Defaulter.

Now why is it those are the thoughts that more prevalent about Pakistan ?
Well Historically they have made a case for such image.

Let me give examples

1 - Backward - As of 2012 , Pakistan ranks 113th among 120 countries regarding literacy rate.

2 - Religious Extremists - Minorities like christians and hindus and even various sects of islam ( shia , hazara and ahmadiyya) are persecuted by the majority sect in Pakistan.

3 - Terrorist School of the World - most terrorist attacks in the world have a connection with Pakistan where either the perpetrators were pakistan trained or had some pakistani expats involved.

4 - Nuclear Proliferation - The AQ Khan network is still giving the world sleepless nights.

5 - World Bank / IMF Loan Defaulter - Between 2008 and Dec 2012, the government took loans of Rs604 billion from the IMF and granted tax exemptions to the tune of about Rs719bn. Less than 0.6 per cent of the 190 million people in the country pay taxes. In the current financial year, Pakistan owes the IMF something like 1.7 billion dollars, and in the next financial year – 3.4 billion dollars, which, as per expert estimates, will further negatively impact the economic status of the country. The International Monetary Fund (IMF) refused to waive off or restructure Pakistan’s growing indebtedness in January 2013.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

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Carl wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:dont lose heart guys everything is business as usual in land of pure
Sectarian killings continue : College principal among four gunned down

A man Danish {Sounds Christian name}, 22, was killed at his shop situated in Gharibabad. Liquatabad police said that unidentified culprits shot the man dead while he was asleep. staff report
Daanesh = Persian for "learning, wisdom, science". Moslem name.
Hard to say guys. For example, Danish Kaneria is a yindoo.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

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Brad Goodman wrote:dont lose heart guys everything is business as usual in land of pure
Sectarian killings continue : College principal among four gunned down
Four including a college principal were killed in separate targeted attacks across the city on Monday.

Principal of Degree College Liaquatabad Syed Sibt-e-Jaffer Zaidi was gunned down near Sindhi Hotel. Liaquatabad police said at least two armed riders shot at 53-year-old Zaidi, when he was returning home. The victim received six bullet wounds and died on the spot. The body was brought to Abbasi Shaheed Hospital (ASH) for medico-legal formalities. Police said that Zaidi was a great poet and also wrote many books. He further said that he wrote thousands of Marsiah, Naats and Noohe in his life. Meanwhile, Sindh Professors and Lecturers Association (SPLA) strongly condemned the killing of the principal and announced boycott of educational activities in colleges across Sindh :lol: . Secretary General of Majlis-e-Wahdat-e-Muslimeen (MWM) Allama Raja Nasir Abbas Jafri said that people of Pakistan lost a great teacher, poet, and that his murder was the slaying of Urdu literature and Urdu marsiah. Other eminent scholars of the MWM also condemned the targeted murders of Shia professionals and notable.
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Probably already discussed on BR, but worth repeating- killing of Shi'a intellectuals (recall the doctor and his son who were recently murdered) is the next logical step for these purest of the pure.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

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Brad Goodman wrote:al bakis buying junk like there is no tomorrow...
Pakistan buys 55% of China’s arms exports
I also heard in exchange some 5000 bakis went to swim in a river near Beijing and got lost?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

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And out of rest 45%--90% around 40% of the remaining should be Saudi Financed Paki purchases.

Looks Like Bundar, Babur, M-9 components form majority of the imports.
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