Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

[akashganga]

Apologies if this has been posted before
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Conversations With History: Tariq Ali



Some Note:
1. Pakistan was a thank you present for the Muslim league for its support to the British interests.
2. All the early jihadi manuals and books which are taught in the religious schools where actually printed courtesy the university of Nebraska.
3. Carter and Brzezinski began supporting the Muslim groups withing Afghanistan when a socialist leader came to power. Soviets were baited and drawn in because Brzezinski wanted to create a Soviet Vietnam. Regan takes this project further.
4. Pakistan could never achieve a national identity. Pakistan was always a state and never a nation. India never had that problem i.e you have many different nationalities but yet if you ask any Indian what their nationality is they say Indian.

Other nuggets...

He does not blame the religion of islam for any of the problem. All the blame lies with forces of history, US, British Raj, Kongress, Muslim League leaders. He is no doubt smart and articulate. But even he does not question the role played by islam, the game arab imperialists play to protect and propagate their religion in the sub continent by funding madrassas and sending their sheikhs.

[akashganga]

Bilatakalluf with Tahir Gora

Kashmiri hindus talk about the Kashmir issue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH9AReyoK5A

Very sad to hear what these kashmiri hindus had to go through. You can see clearly from this discussion how islam ethnically cleanses all native cultures and replaces them with alien arab ideology. Kashmiri muslims do not know that the name Kashmir comes from Rishi Kashyap. Kashmiris are not taught their own language in their own state. What we see here happened centuries back in afganisthan, and much of pakistan.

[anupmisra]

Car bomb at Pakistani refugee camp kills 13

A car packed with explosives blew up inside a refugee camp on Thursday, killing 13 people

Militants often don't want residents to flee an area of conflict, partly because it deprives them of a civilian population where they can hide and undermines their claim that they have local support.

blast that happened just as hundreds of people lined up to get food

[shiv]

He does not blame the religion of islam for any of the problem. All the blame lies with forces of history, US, British Raj, Kongress, Muslim League leaders. He is no doubt smart and articulate. But even he does not question the role played by islam, the game arab imperialists play to protect and propagate their religion in the sub continent by funding madrassas and sending their sheikhs.

He is a known leftwinger living in Britain, From Pakistan to boot. No wonder he tippy toes around religion. Leftists are the biggest cowards when it comes to relgion. Islam mandates death for anyone who argues against its tenets. Where the texts are ambiguous some mulla will pass the sentence. Muslims are the first in line for the chopping block so they never ever say a critical word. I think genes for critical thinking among simply die out and genes that code for sheep like behavior survive under such circumstance.

[Anujan]

This article by Anatol Levien may have already been posted -

A Mutiny Grows in Punjab - http://nationalinterest.org/article/mut ... unjab-4889

I am happy to see Lieven write this. It is in indcator that Lieven, like many other Americans is willing to give in to Pakistani blackmail with no return guarantee that all tose expatriate Pakis in the west will lie ow and do nothing if the US mends to their will.

First of all Anatol Lieven is British. He loves Paki army and Paki army loves him so much that most of his articles are love letters to the GHQ. IIRC he had unprecedented access to GHQ and wrote a very sympathetic book, so it is not hard to guess whose mouthpiece he is. His praise for GHQ was so much that it even embarrassed a certain set of otherwise GHQ supporting Pakis (true story told to me by my fourth cousin's neighbour) He is a gora version of Ejaz Haider. Someone I know calls him Anatol G.H.Q Lieven and urged him and GHQ to find a hotel room because their pappi jhappi and horizontal mambo was embarrassing to watch in a family forum.

However, the evolution of his articles are interesteing
1. It started off with: Pakistan loves US so much that they deserve 10000000000000$, arms and the bum.
2. It moderated to: Well Pakistan might be indifferent to US interests, but they have done so much that they deserve 10000000000000$, arms and the bum.
3. Then it changed to: Well Pakistan might be a minor irritant, but they if they dont get 10000000000000$, arms and the bum, they will start loving china.
4. Now it has changed to: Well Pakistan army might be killing US soldiers by supporting terrorists but imagine what will happen if everyone in Pakistan starts killing americans! They deserve 10000000000000$, arms and the bum.


The reason I am saying this is, dont think of him as either reflecting the opinions of or influencing the opinions of powers that be. He is a glorified paid lobbyist. Dont know the terms and kind of payment he gets though. Sometimes I think Paki GHQ and Lieven are parts of the same person, one is the mouth and the other is the musharraf. Dont know which end writes the articles though.

[shiv]

First of all Anatol Lieven is British. He loves Paki army and Paki army loves him so much that most of his articles are love letters to the GHQ.

Hmm. Like Pakis who make policy recommendations for India Lieven seems to be British but make policy recommendations for America. But he knows Pakis well enough to point out that educated Pakis in the west are a Trojan horse for which ISI/GHQ cooperation is needed as they are all relatives.

In this connection what surprised me was that up to the 1990s it seems that when genetic researchers wanted to study genes of Indians, they just picked up local Pakistanis in the west. There are newer papers that actually state clearly that older genetic studies have over-represented Pakistani populations giving a skewed picture of Indian population genetics. But now that Indian researchers are in the game info-space is being flooded with studies of genuine Indian samples from al over India.

[Anujan]

Not sure Paki trojans are a problem in the US. People here forget the post 9/11 "All Pakis should register and report their chaddi sizes every hour" requirement. Remember the huge queues in processing centers and Pakis protesting (including a bunch of Pakis peacefully doing credit card fraud who were caught in the net and deported). Let me jog your memories: http://www.migrationinformation.org/usf ... cfm?ID=840

One thing you should appreciate Massa is when it comes to National security, all human rights be damned!

It is the Brits who neither have the balls to round up terrorists (last I checked 50,000 terror inciting mullahs were cooling their heels, drawing government pension for each of their 4 wives. Anyone remember this guy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza_al-Masri ) nor the money and firepower to threaten Pakistan when it steps out of line.

So there are no Paki trojans in Massa all of them are in Londonistan.

About one think you are right Hakeem ji. Lieven's recommendation to US is like Paki recommendation to India "Please give us some concessions or democracy will be affected" For which the right answer is: affected where? in Pakistan? why the F should we care?

[Gagan]

The brits took a whole bunch of Mirpuris to london in the decades after partition so that they could err escape 'persecution' and 'displacement' after the 48 Kashmir war.
The result was london became Londonistan, the mirpuris and other pakis opened the doors for their families, goats, donkeys and rabbits to come in.

[Anujan]

One thing that astonishes me is that the Brits cannot solve even one basic problem.

Second gen Paki motormas (therefore British by birth) are tricked, taken to Pakistan -- sometimes by their own parents -- and married off to their cousins (and usually raped afterwards by their cousin "husbands"). Fellows couldnt even distribute flyers about this to their citizens traveling to Pakiland, or provide consulate access!!

You can imagine how competent they are catching pakistanis who get a sudden urge to become mujahids.

[arun]

X Posted from the “Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide” thread.

The uniformed Jihadis of the Punjabi dominated military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan implicated in the genocidal practice of enforced disappearances targeting Freedom Fighters in Balochistan.

One thing to be said about the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is that they certainly are well practised in committing genocide as their activities in Bangladesh back in 1970-1971 show:

Six army officers involved in abductions: DIG CID Balochistan

[akashganga]

He is a known leftwinger living in Britain, From Pakistan to boot. No wonder he tippy toes around religion. Leftists are the biggest cowards when it comes to relgion. Islam mandates death for anyone who argues against its tenets. Where the texts are ambiguous some mulla will pass the sentence. Muslims are the first in line for the chopping block so they never ever say a critical word. I think genes for critical thinking among simply die out and genes that code for sheep like behavior survive under such circumstance.

The left wing known for fierce defense of free speech in the west is largely keeping quite when it comes to islamism. If in future islam succeeds in taking over the west they will first target and eliminate the left wingers calling them kafirs and athiests. In my opinion the best contribution of the west to the world is freedom of speach and to freely praise or criticize anything or anyone. In India we had this spirit prior to arrival of islam when we developed so many different spiritual traditions, arts, culture, science, yoga, etc.

[akashganga]

The brits took a whole bunch of Mirpuris to london in the decades after partition so that they could err escape 'persecution' and 'displacement' after the 48 Kashmir war.
The result was london became Londonistan, the mirpuris and other pakis opened the doors for their families, goats, donkeys and rabbits to come in.

The biggest colonial powers Britain and France which ruled over large mooslim populations find themselves swamped by mooslims. May be in distant future these two colonial powers will be eaten away by mooslim population.

[sadhana]

Basically people like Leiven are stuck in maze of Lahori logic.

Pakistan wants from USA, money/arms/payoff and a veto on Afghanistan/India through armed jihad (in return for nothing).

If US does not grant Pakistan either money/arms/payoff and a veto on Afghanistan/India, Pakistan will exert its 'veto' through its armed jihad.

If US does grant Pakistan either money/arms/payoff and a veto on Afghanistan/India, Pakistan will still exert its 'veto' through its armed jihad.

Paying Pakistan off with money/arms for a stable government will not work because Pakistan is incapable of constructing stable govt in Afghanistan.

In any case, stable govt in Afghanistan is irrelevant to Pakistan- what is solely relevant is that money/arms/payoff and above veto should continue till eternity.

So Pak spends its time demanding money/arms/payoff under veiled threat of above veto. When money/arms/payoff end because money does not grow on trees, Pakistan will complain that US 'abandoned' them, hence stable govt in Afghanistan was not possible.

Pakistan will never give up on Al Qaeda because of 'Islam' and because Al Qaeda gives it veto on Umrika in case Umrika's money/arms/payoff end.

Imagine South Korea or even Mexico using such a lexicon of engagement. Would there be processions of 'experts' like Leiven justifying this Lahori logic? No.

[shiv]

In my opinion the best contribution of the west to the world is freedom of speach and to freely praise or criticize anything or anyone. In India we had this spirit prior to arrival of islam when we developed so many different spiritual traditions, arts, culture, science, yoga, etc.

Interesting subject although OT for this thread. The west's free speech came as an "escape from the shackles of Christianity". Western freedom makes a lot of concessions to Christianity since the freedoms that Christianity already allowed never came into conflict with society, which merely rejected the restrictions of freedom under Christianity. So "freedom to practise religion" while Church kept out of state matters looked good because evangelism in a Christian society never denied one God/Jehovah. All disputes were "below" that level (like Christmas in Harry Potter books)

But when Western freedoms were copy pasted on India there was instant conflict with a society that already allowed the freedom to worship any form and any number of Gods. Evangelism, that demands denial of some Gods and acceptance of only one is a classic case where "freedom" that is taken for granted in a predominantly Christian society becomes loss of freedom for some other group in a society. European colonialists in the late 19th and early 20th century could more easily understand and accept the ethos of Islam which is a more severe affliction of rabid Christianism of the medieval inquisition type. The wild variations in "pagan" worship in India were alien to them and that in fact has a blowback even today. Islam was given special concessions because Western colonisers could empathize with the risk posed to a monotheistic people by this scary "Indian Jones and the Temple of Doom" variety of paganism in India. All those poor ickle Pakistani Mirpuri bunnies who were kept in the UK are "Good Muslims" who sought shelter in Britain from bad bad India.

[Prem]

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2013_pg3_6
Pakistan: a nation out of rage

In the first phase, which lasts up to 30 minutes, we are shocked by the reality, contemplating if the next incident would engulf our lives; however, our better (Sunni) sense does not let us go astray with humanity and sympathy for very long. We look at the victims and within our hearts; we first thank God for saving us from the disaster. Then, we praise Him for making sure that we are Muslims (Sunni) by birth and do not belong to the enemy camps (which include every other sect and religion in the whole world except that of Saudi Arabia).
Later on, as we are the people of the true faith, we meditate to devise a strategy that will shift the onus of guilt from the predator to the prey. During rumination, suddenly a flash of light illuminates the ‘sincerity’ of our hearts and one of us announces, “We condemn violence in any shape and form.” This statement, upon superficial analysis, looks innocent and even peaceful; but in reality, this is the most provocative sentence that I have come across in years. Beware of it folks, it is introduced purposefully to set you up for a greater objective. In case, you have been outwitted by its apparent simplicity, the next phrase will clarify itself: “We particularly condemn the violence in Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine.” You know now where the debate is heading, “We oppose the American aggression in all Muslim countries and stand up for the rights of the Afghans (Taliban).” Here you go, “We condemn the Indian Army for killing the innocent Kashmiris and will protest ‘peacefully’ against the Muslim killings in Indian Gujarat.” Speechless with this twist that has nothing to do with the Shia genocide or Christian massacre in Pakistan, it is important for us to learn to untwist it. We have to make them focus on the specific topic: avoid hasty generalisation (a logical fallacy) and emphasise on the killings of minorities in Pakistan irrespective of international foreign policy issues.Another ‘Muslim (Sunni) brother’ would proclaim, “It’s the enemy who wants to divide us and rule; sectarianism is not our problem.” In a country where more than 50 percent of Pakistanis consider Shiites as non-Muslims and many Pakistanis thinks of Ahmedis the same way; this claim of the absence of religious intolerance sounds preposterous. There is no doubt that the fire of sectarian divide lives inside us; it is blazing even without the addition of outside fuel.Deadliest among all of them, appears in the form of a false claim, “We respect all religions.” No, we don’t, it is untrue. We make fun of Hindu deities both in private conversations and in the public. We humiliate Ahmedis and their spiritual leaders without any remorse and call Shiites with absurd epithets audaciously. But, a general proclamation of respect becomes a great talking point if this argument is not rebutted timely with reality. Not only that it is not true as discussed, it is so inflammatory that it will inevitably lead to violent consequences. “In return, we expect all the minorities to respect ours.” Now you know the bottom line, “If they don’t, we have the right to ‘defend’ our faith.” And all of us know the true meaning of ‘defend ourselves,’ right?

[KLNMurthy]

He does not blame the religion of islam for any of the problem. All the blame lies with forces of history, US, British Raj, Kongress, Muslim League leaders. He is no doubt smart and articulate. But even he does not question the role played by islam, the game arab imperialists play to protect and propagate their religion in the sub continent by funding madrassas and sending their sheikhs.

He is a known leftwinger living in Britain, From Pakistan to boot. No wonder he tippy toes around religion. Leftists are the biggest cowards when it comes to relgion. Islam mandates death for anyone who argues against its tenets. Where the texts are ambiguous some mulla will pass the sentence. Muslims are the first in line for the chopping block so they never ever say a critical word. I think genes for critical thinking among simply die out and genes that code for sheep like behavior survive under such circumstance.

They are not cowards when it comes to Hindu religion.

[jamwal]

[Rudradev]

CONGRATULATIONS RUDRADEV! My compliments to you. This is EXACTLY what you said with too may people arguing against you. The Paki intel agencies can help the west keep a tab on their own agents in the west like the New York bomber. That is what Lieven says here

The help of the Pakistani intelligence services to Britain has been vital in identifying the links of these potential terrorists to groups in Pakistan, and to preventing more attacks on the UK and elsewhere in Europe. Islamabad therefore has been only a partial ally in the “war on terror”—but still a critical and irreplaceable one. For we need to remember that in the end, it is only legitimate Muslim governments and security services that can control terrorist plots on their soil. Western pressure may be necessary to push them in the right direction, but we need to be careful that this pressure does not become so overwhelming that it undermines or even destroys those governments by humiliating them in the eyes of their own people.

And Lieven urges the US to give into blackmail, saying what the US ain't seen nuthin yet

This should serve as a stark reminder of just how much more Pakistan could do to help the Afghan Taliban (and other anti-Western groups) if the Pakistani state and military, or the relationship between Islamabad and Washington, were to completely fall apart. It is this terrifying outcome that present U.S. strategy in the region risks producing.

Vinasha kaale vipareetha buddhi

Thank you Shiv. I had no doubt whatsoever that I'm right about this Any thoughtfully considered review of the so-called "near-miss" terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11, year after year, leads to the same inescapable conclusion.

The mighty whitey US wets its starry-stripey pants whenever it thinks what might happen on its own soil, if it didn't continue to give the Pakis more and more baksheesh. That is the leash on which the ISI has managed to keep the US, through its repeatedly successful indoctrination, infiltration and facilitation of terrorists into American cities, followed by dramatic tip-offs issued to the Dept of Homeland Security, just in time to "thwart" an attack.

As long as the ISI keeps up this successful calibrated demonstration of its capacity to hurt the US, the US already knows what it needs to do to stay safe... it does not need Lievens to spell out the demand in so many words

[James B]

Lal Masjid: Case may be filed against Mush, Shujaat

A case against four bigwigs including former President Pervez Musharraf and former Prime Minister Chaudhary Shujaat Hussein could be registered at any instant of time as legal branch of Islamabad capital territory police was evaluating the application. According to well-placed sources, higher authorities of Aabpara police station were awaiting advice from the Legal Branch to go ahead to register a case against four bigwigs including former president Pervez Musharraf, Ejaz-ul-Haq, Tariq Azeem, Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain and others.

nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/islamabad/22-Mar-2013/lal-masjid-case-may-be-filed-against-mush-shujaat

[anupmisra]

To the barricades once more
by Ayaz Amir

For we are yet to define what this country is to be: an intellectual backwater as it is at present, surrounded by superstition and humbug, and held back by bigotry, or something resembling a modern state based on knowledge and some form of rationalism? Not the Pakistan of the sherwani-clad Jinnah – we’ve had enough of that – but of the cigar-smoking Jinnah.

How about the whiskey-swilling, pork-eating, kafir-e-azam Djinnah?

[James B]

Chini's gift to its mistress

China, Pakistan reach secret nuclear reactor deal for Pakistan

China and Pakistan reached a formal agreement last month to construct a third nuclear reactor at Chashma that the Obama administration says will violate Beijing’s promises under an international anti-nuclear weapons accord.

According to U.S. intelligence and diplomatic officials, the secret agreement for the Chashma 3 reactor was signed in Beijing during the visit by a delegation from the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission from Feb. 15 to 18.

[Nitesh]

20 kg explosives, seems the death figures are fudged
http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=93348
JAFARABAD: At least six people have been killed and over 40 injured in a blast in Dera Allahyar town of Jafarabad district in Balochistan.

Eight of those injured are said to be in critical condition.

The explosion took place on Quetta road at a bus terminal.

According to the DPO, the bomb which was planted in a rickshaw contained 20 kilograms of explosives. The bomb was detonated with a remote controlled device.

[pankajs]

Pakistan Says U.S. Drone Strike Kills 4

PESHAWAR, Pakistan — Four people have been killed in northwestern Pakistan in an American drone attack on a vehicle, government officials said on Friday.

[member_23858]

Pakistan Says U.S. Drone Strike Kills 4

Has the national bird risen from his hibernation?

[kish]

[url=httpxxx://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-6-166780 ... e-improved]Pakistan’s image in comity of nations ‘should be improved’[/url](Nothing is wrong in pakisatan, its just image problem)

Former National Assembly deputy speaker Faisal Karim Khan Kundi said that there is a need to improve Pakistan’s image in the comity of nations and this is only possible if ‘sufi’ teachings of peace and harmony are promoted.

Is "sufi" teachings different from koooraaan?

I tried various permutations and combinations, his name sounds more like a curse word than a name.

Faisal Kundi
Karim Kundi
Kundi Khan

[member_23858]

Apparently, one can get swine flu in land of PURE Pigs
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-6 ... d-negative

[partha]

One more "reassurance" from the military.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/524820/mili ... ssistance/

RAWALPINDI: The army on Friday reassured the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) that it would provide all possible assistance for peaceful conduct of elections.

According to an Inter-services Public Relations (ISPR) release, Secretary ECP Ishtiaq Ahmed visited the General Headquarters in Rawalpindi on Friday and met with military authorities.

Issues relating to provision of security during the elections were discussed. Ahmed shared initial details of sensitive areas for polling with military officials.

After due deliberations, it was decided to hold another meeting in the next couple of weeks after the ECP has worked out all the details of security requirement across the country, to be able to evolve a comprehensive security plan.

[Nandu]

According to TFT, Dalrymple was arrested in Kabul.

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta3/tft ... 22&page=32

[Prem]

From TNT they move to PNT= PaaKundi Nation Theory or is it MNT=Mush Nation Theory?
Paki Kundi Display is like that of proud peacock display in desert.

Abb Sirr Jhuuka Ke Jiyo , Haan Ji Haath Phaila Ke Jiyo
Koi Paisa dheeeey thoooo ooske saamne
Mush OOtha Ke Jiyo .!!

Naa Jaane kaun sa Pal Drone Ki Amanat Ho
Har ek Pal ki Kissie ke liye
24/7
Vasleen Lagga Ke Jiyo !!

[vishvak]

Statement from the Supreme Court of India - Pakistan's hand in 1993 Mumbai serial bomb blasts that killed hundreds
Pakistan, ISI trained 1993 Mumbai blasts accused: SC

The Supreme Court on Thursday said Pakistan and its ace spy agency ISI played a crucial role in training the accused who executed the 1993 Mumbai serial blasts.

The Apex Court said that conspiracy to target India’s financial capital was hatched by Dawood Ibrahim and Tiger Memom and other and it was executed with the help of Pakistani authorities.
..
The accused were provided with “green channel facility” in Pakistan, the apex court said and also noted that they entered Pakistan from Dubai and received training from ISI which took them out of Islamabad airport without observing any immigration rules.

[Kati]

http://topstories.foxnews.mobi/quickPag ... pageNum=-1

Pakistani firm whose chemicals were used to kill US troops seeks subsidy for Indiana plant
Mar 22, 2013

A Pakistani fertilizer maker whose chemicals have been used in 80 percent of the roadside bombs that have killed and maimed American troops in Afghanistan is now seeking U.S. taxpayer subsidies in order to open a factory in Indiana.

The request appears to be on hold pending further review, but the situation has stirred outrage in Congress, where some accuse the Pakistani government of halting efforts to clamp down on the bomb-making.

For the past seven years, the U.S. government has known that the raw material calcium ammonium nitrate, or CAN, is making its way across the border into Afghanistan where the Taliban use it to fuel their most deadly weapons, namely the improvised explosive device. IEDs have long been the number one killer of U.S. and coalition troops.

The material largely comes from Pakistani fertilizer maker the Fatima Group. But the Pakistani government has stymied attempts by the Pentagon to stop the flow of the fertilizer used in these homemade bombs, according to the director of military Joint IED Defeat Organization, Lt. Gen. Michael Barbero.

"The producers within Pakistan have been less than cooperative," Barbero told a congressional committee late last year. "Despite making minor packaging, tracking and marketing changes, they have not implemented any effective product security or stewardship efforts. Pakistani-based CAN producers can and must do more. Frustratingly, all direct communication and engagement with the leaders of Fatima Group was halted by the government of Pakistan."

The Pentagon enlisted help from the State Department to intervene and pressure the Lahore-based Fatima Group to change their formula. In an interview with Fox News, Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., said those efforts by the State Department "completely failed," and he blames the Pakistani government in large part.

"The Fatima organization was willing to work with our U.S. military to curtail the cross-border transaction of calcium ammonium nitrate until (the) Pakistani government told them 'no, you aren't going to curtail it, stop talking with Americans, we are going to keep shipping across the border the way that we have been'," he said.

What's worse, Hunter said, is that now this same fertilizer group wants to open a factory in Indiana, taking advantage of U.S. taxpayer subsidies meant to help Indiana recover after recent flooding.

"Not only was this company Fatima able to still ship calcium ammonium nitrate to make bombs across the border into Afghanistan, but they were almost getting ready to take advantage of taxpayer-subsidized loans to set up shop in Indiana to make more fertilizer while they were sending bomb making material across the border from Pakistan to Afghanistan," Hunter said.

Indiana's state officials have suspended Fatima's request pending a further investigation and now, for the first time in 12 years, the fertilizer maker appears willing to take simple steps to make its fertilizer non-explosive.

In a statement, Barbero called the developments "positive" and said "Fatima confirmed to me in writing that it has suspended sales of CAN fertilizer products in the border provinces of Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, affecting 228 dealers in those areas."

The Fatima Group also recently released a video that it says shows a test of a new, less explosive fertilizer they are trying to produce. "As you can see from the video testing, the Fatima Group has successfully created a more inert formulation of ammonium nitrate fertilizer," Fatima said in a statement to Fox News. "Our extensive research and rigorous testing have led to the development of a formulation that has made it extremely difficult -- if not impossible -- to modify ammonium nitrate fertilizer into an explosive."

U.S. Defense officials are still awaiting visas from the Pakistani government to visit Pakistan to see the facility themselves and whether the company's claims that they have made their fertilizer more inert are true.

Still, many believe it's too little progress, too late. Last year, nearly 1,900 U.S. casualties were caused by these homemade bombs. And during the past two years in Afghanistan, roadside bomb events increased 80 percent.

Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., wrote to the departments of Homeland Security and Treasury last month asking for a review of the company's request, noting it could impair national security.

The Treasury Department, in a response dated March 4, suggested that this particular case would fall under the purview of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States. The letter, citing the confidentiality of the process, did not say for certain whether and how this case was being reviewed.

"Pakistan not a good actor," Hunter said. "At some point a few months ago this corporation and the Pakistani government cut off all talks with the U.S. military about curtailing the transportation of this explosive across the border until this happened in Indiana. ... Then they reopened up the lines of communication because once again the almighty American dollar prevails."

[akashganga]

Is "sufi" teachings different from koooraaan?

Sufism is used by mooslims to mask the truth behind islam. Too many kafirs in both India and west have been fooled by sufis. For a taste see here http://www.vjsingh.info/anwa-sufism.htm

[RamaY]

http://topstories.foxnews.mobi/quickPag ... pageNum=-1

Pakistani firm whose chemicals were used to kill US troops seeks subsidy for Indiana plant

USA cannot be a prisoner of the past. USA must show big heart and not only give the subsidy but also give special visas to Pakistanis so they can spread their love and purity in America.

[RCase]

Neelum Jhelum Project : DENIED

As doubts have been raised over Standard Chartered Bank’s loan offer, other banks have given the government a cold shoulder in its bid to borrow $500 million to bridge the financing gap that puts in jeopardy completion of the Neelum Jhelum hydropower project.

A financing gap, estimated at $1 billion to $1.5 billion, has surfaced after China and Abu Dhabi backtracked from their commitments {DENIED}

Wapda had invited National Bank of Pakistan, MCB Bank, Habib Bank, Faysal Bank, Barclays, Allied Bank, United Bank, Al Baraka Bank, Burj Bank and Citibank, asking them to submit their term sheets.
Only four banks, UBL, Al Baraka, HBL and Citi sent their representatives while Standard Chartered’s offer was already under consideration. These banks sought more time in order to come up with any offers, according to the documents.

However, the officials pointed out it would be difficult to get a commercial loan from any bank below 6% because of the ‘junk’ credit rating assigned to Pakistani bonds.
An interest rate of around 7% works out to about 14% after accounting for currency exchange despite government’s sovereign guarantees. The loan is being sought for 10 years.

The officials blamed former Wapda chairman Shakil Durrani and Neelum Jhelum Hydropower Company CEO Lieutenant General (Retired) Mohammad Zubair for misreporting facts. Before the start of work, both of them had assured the government that entire foreign funding had been arranged and lenders were just waiting for approval of the project.
Owing to the financing gap, other financiers like the Islamic Development Bank, OPEC Fund for International Development, Saudi Fund for Development and Kuwait Fund for Development have hinted at stopping their assistance until the government shows serious commitment to the project.

[Prem]

Neelum Jhelum Project : DENIED

Owing to the financing gap, other financiers like the Islamic Development Bank, OPEC Fund for International Development, Saudi Fund for Development and Kuwait Fund for Development have hinted at stopping their assistance until the government shows serious commitment to the project.

Only the Kaafars things can be DENIED.When the Ummah ChaarAbbus say no, its called DEEN-IED in islamic speak.

[RCase]

Condoming Intolerance

Poaq needs to familiarize himself with the malaise of the Malsi elephant in room.

Since religions preach to safeguard the lives of humans, why is there so much violence in the name of religion? It leads us to the conclusion that mixing cultures and social norms with religion is worrisome and should be avoided.

Er... How can there be so much violence by practioners of the religion of Violence Peace? This will give Pakistan and Islam a bad 'image'.

This can be well observed in our everyday lives as we put our tilt towards a majority group because it brings along privileges and perks of various kinds.

It said that unless we speak up and condemn intolerance, it will continue to divide our society and spread the seeds of hatred and violence, and ultimately, this fire will burn us all because if today it is targeted against Ahmadis, Hindus or Christians, tomorrow it will be against some other group. Hence, we will no longer be seen as human beings with individual identities. Instead, we will be identified only as part of groups that we have been placed into by a powerful majority.

But isn't that what Jinnah argued, the Muslims were a distinct group with their own individual identity? This is Jinnah's Pakistan!

[Prem]

[ It said that unless we speak up and condemn intolerance, it will continue to divide our society and spread the seeds of hatred and violence, and ultimately, this fire will burn us all because if today it is targeted against Ahmadis, Hindus or Christians, tomorrow it will be against some other group. Hence, we will no longer be seen as human beings with individual identities. Instead, we will be identified only as part of groups that we have been placed into by a powerful majority.

But isn't that what Jinnah argued, the Muslims were a distinct group with their own individual identity? This is Jinnah's Pakistan! [/quote]

A collective do not allow Individual identity. Borgslam dont let escape any Drone ,The mind is silenced forever and good, bad , ugly, lie , truth is judged not on its own merit but in reference to a medieval entity.

[Prem]

http://www.nationaljournal.com/national ... s-20130322

Bakistan's 'Strategic Pivot' May Not Include Reforming Its Nuclear Policies

What is less clear is to what extent Islamabad will also reach out to strengthen ties with its rival to the east, India, and whether regional engagement might include any sort of nuclear rapprochement. President Asif Ali Zardari’s Pakistan People’s Party, whose political organization has led the nation for the past five years, describes the shift as motivated by a recognition that the main threat now facing their nation is violent extremism. Pakistani army Chief of Staff Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani publicly discussed the new strategic thinking last year, and the idea has since been increasingly touted by PPP leaders here and abroad.Other major Pakistani political parties, too, are embracing the idea of a strategic shift. However, only one of them -- former President Nawaz Sharif’s branch of the Pakistan Muslim League -- appears to be eyeing fresh diplomatic outreach to India on the nuclear issue.No matter who wins power in upcoming elections, Pakistanis are expected to continue rallying around atomic arms as the crown jewel of their national security forces. “There is a great confidence that nuclear deterrence helps the country assure its security” against conventional war with India, said Maleeha Lodhi, a former Pakistani ambassador to the United States and now a top political commentator.
er view was echoed by a number of Pakistani military and government officials interviewed over the past several weeks. Pakistan two decades ago began discussing with India possible terms for a “strategic restraint regime” featuring proposals to cap nuclear weapons quantities, limit deployments and curb missile defenses, Lodhi said. However, there appears to be little appetite for engagement on nuclear arms in New Delhi today, even as talk grows about regional security and free trade, Lodhi said. India has insisted that its strategic nuclear focus is on China, not Pakistan. That has not stopped Sharif -- whose second term as prime minister was cut short in October 1999 when he was overthrown by former army Gen. Pervez Musharraf – from musing about the possibilities. In interviews this week, Sharif’s top party leaders signaled that, if successful at the ballot box this May, he could revive nuclear stability talks with India. Sharif has “stated in all his meetings” with visiting Indian leaders that “he would like to pick up the threads from exactly where he got interrupted at the military coup in 1999,” said Tariq Fatemi, a senior Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz leader who once served as envoy to Washington.The former prime minister has significant popular support in the crucial Punjab region and his party is heavily favored to win in the upcoming elections.
Despite continued differences on a number of security, economic and political fronts, Sharif “represents those forces that want close coordination and cooperative ties with India,” Fatemi told visiting U.S. journalists. Still, it is uncertain how much support he might garner for any nuclear engagement initiative from the Pakistani military, which plays a dominant role in the nation’s foreign policy.
“We are looking at opening our doors to the Indians, which as you know hasn’t had the kind of momentum that we would want it to have,” said one Pakistani defense official. Asking not to be identified to allow for more candor, the official discussed initial steps toward broad reconciliation and did not address nuclear force issues in particular.“We have history unfortunately that has a lot of baggage, and it’s taking us a little effort to go get beyond that,” the defense figure said.Despite recent Pakistani statements indicating an intention to improve engagement with Afghanistan and India, the nation’s nuclear arms bureaucracy -- the Strategic Plans Division – also has been telling U.S. officials that the atomic branch essentially should be exempt from increased openness. Dialogue with Western governments and, on rare occasion, the media “hasn’t given value to them because people keep beating up on them, the more transparent they are,” said one U.S. government official interviewed late last month. This source requested anonymity to address a diplomatically sensitive topic.Meantime, PPP leaders say they have launched the new strategic pivot in the region based on a heightened awareness that radical militancy poses the greatest threat to their country’s stability. The Pakistani Taliban and a handful of other violent extremist groups have stepped up violence in recent years against the nation’s military bases, government offices, hotels and population. Although the same term -- “strategic” -- is routinely applied to Pakistan’s estimated 100 nuclear warheads, this sensitive arsenal might easily slip by untouched if the ruling party wins a second consecutive term in power, according to officials and issue experts interviewed here and in Washington.

[menon s]

One of these days we will have to open a new thread in BRF called, "Liberation of Sindudesh from fundoostan"

JSMM activists’ observed religious unification and solidarity day, demonstrations, rallies held owing religious harmony and peace across major cities of Sindh i.e. Karachi, Hyderabad, Sukkur, Nawabshah, Larkana and others. Demos recalled religious coexistence and condemned religious extremism. In his statement issued to media; Chairman of Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz (JSMM) Mr. Shafi Muhammad Burfat said, “Roots of ideological existence of all the religions across world are fixed in the soil of Sindh. She has been the motherland of conscience, knowledge and philosophy. We the Sindhis have created and nourished the philosophies of Vedanta and Idealism. Sindh has been center for unification of religions and humanity. This land, a 28000 year before, had provided the world with the precious pearls of philosophy and conscience through the ideology of existence of super-natural force “The God”, and his role in the existence, expansion and laws to govern the mechanism and phenomenon of Universe. Not only this but ancestors had given ideology of realization of God, from Lord Shiva & Shakti Devi to the mystic and metaphysical existence of the Lord, and it developed great civilizations and given birth to various cultures and traditions. All the religions of world owe the ancient Sindh’s Dravidian features of existentialism and idealism. From Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Jainism to the teachings of Guru Naanak (Sikhism), all the religions are mere fractions of old teachings of Dravidian philosophy.”

you can see more here http://sthinkers.wordpress.com/

now over to Sindhu Desh Liberation army. SDLA.

[partha]

http://dawn.com/2013/03/23/caretaker-pm ... aches-ecp/

SLAMABAD: A consultative meeting of the Election Commission of Pakistan for the selection of a caretaker prime minister began on Saturday, DawnNews reported.

The meeting was being chaired by Chief Election Commissioner Justice (retd) Fakhruddin G Ebrahim.

During the meeting, a letter of the bipartisan parliamentary committee constituted to reach a consensus on a name for caretaker PM was also presented.

LOL. Every tom, dick and harry in Pakistan nowadays is involved in choosing a caretaker PM!