Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 23 Mar 2013 12:39

Muthalik is bad news.

He has walked out of Sangh affiliation. That is a claim. Now either that is true or its false. But in both cases his coming back in would be bad. Sanghis have had a militant stance in South Karnataka. One of the member has a statistic on this in the OT thread. That is still something Sangh can work with. But this guy is more bad and a longer duration bad then anything else can ever be. Only goes to show the dissipation of energies in Karnataka.

Murkh ki dosti buri.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 23 Mar 2013 15:13

Mangalore and costral areas of BJP areas for a long time because of RSS and other things. Love Jihad is a big thing there. So defeating BJP there will be difficult for any one. BJP has to seriously worry about anti incumbency in other areas. They messed up the state badly in 5 years. Had they given good and solid rule they would have had reasonable chances without Yaddi also. Now going hardcore Hindu agenda may or may not help them.

But Sangh and other parivaaar organisations and religiour maths are quire active in Karnataka. Muslim vote bank is not too big to give any serious advantage to INC.

TDP may come back with majority in AP ( I hope that) so that AP may be saved from Jagan gang. INC is nothing when compared to Jagan criminal gang which shall be stopped at any cost.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 23 Mar 2013 16:44

ravi_g wrote:Muthalik is bad news.

He has walked out of Sangh affiliation. That is a claim. Now either that is true or its false. But in both cases his coming back in would be bad. Sanghis have had a militant stance in South Karnataka. One of the member has a statistic on this in the OT thread. That is still something Sangh can work with. But this guy is more bad and a longer duration bad then anything else can ever be. Only goes to show the dissipation of energies in Karnataka.

Murkh ki dosti buri.

+10
Advantage in few states should not become disadvantage in another 20 seats. But again this is all media speculation. They will always speculate what is disadvantage for BJP.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 23 Mar 2013 16:51

Amol.D wrote:
Muppalla wrote:Here is the baseline based on various surveys and trends and real elections. Let us see if what Modi can change this and how as the time.
...
So in Maharastra, it is counted as MNS + SS or for some reason SS is not included in the table at all?

It is counted as one.

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 23 Mar 2013 16:56

The drama continues.

Mulayam lecturing people on corruption and honesty

Mulayam Singh Yadav praises Advani, slams Congress

Samajwadi Party supremo Mulayam Singh Yadav on Saturday praised senior BJP leader L K Advani for being an honest person.

Mulayam criticised his son and Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Akhilesh Yadav, saying the ministers in the state have failed to do their work. He said Advani had personally called him to complain about the ministers and that he trusted the BJP leader's words.

Mulayam warned the ministers saying, 'Don't take your job for granted."

Speaking at a rally, the SP chief slammed the Congress saying it is responsible for growing corruption in the country.

Mulayam's comments come at a time when the UPA is banking on parties like SP and Mayawati's BSP after the DMK pulled out of the ruling alliance.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mulay ... ./1092345/

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 23 Mar 2013 16:58

^^ Just seems to me as an attempt to mollify the Urban Hindus.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 23 Mar 2013 17:57

Supratik wrote:The Israelis are facing demographic competition in Israel itself. Why would they want to occupy India? They don't have the numbers.

Its not about occupying India.. It is about creating a space for themselves outside dominion of Islamo-Christists when arabs overrun (demographically) EU and Israel. India and Hindus should help them, but cautiously.. that is all..

anchal · Post by **anchal** » 23 Mar 2013 18:50

If things stand the way they are, BJP would get 40+ seats from UP. Big time wave in favor of ONLY Modi, not BJP

anchal · Post by **anchal** » 23 Mar 2013 18:57

Please also note Mulla Mulayam's praising LKA for 'being honest'. He knows the level of ground support for Modi, hence this charade to create confusion. UP will give game changing election results this time around

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 23 Mar 2013 18:58

hmm how come?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 23 Mar 2013 18:58

Atri wrote:Its not about occupying India.. It is about creating a space for themselves outside dominion of Islamo-Christists when arabs overrun (demographically) EU and Israel. India and Hindus should help them, but cautiously.. that is all..

Atri garu,

my comments here!

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 23 Mar 2013 19:12

anchal wrote:Please also note Mulla Mulayam's praising LKA for 'being honest'. He knows the level of ground support for Modi, hence this charade to create confusion. UP will give game changing election results this time around

It could go either way. Everybody at this point is hedging their bets. No doubt that Modi is a rising star and his pan india appeal and influence within the BJP is increasing by the day. Even if he doesn't become PM this time around and BJP wins the elections, he will still be able to influence policy which is key. Modi as HM or FM would mean death for the sec-left (includes elements within Cong) parasitic architecture. They survive on two pillars of the state, economics (black money, welfare and social stratification through secularism and leftism) and security (CBI, IB, police, ED, paramilitary, etc). If one goes the game is up. Watch out for Priyanka.

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 23 Mar 2013 19:15

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fanne · Post by **fanne** » 23 Mar 2013 19:23

Anchal ji, can you write more than one liners please?
TIA
fanne

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 23 Mar 2013 19:28

RoyG wrote:Watch out for Priyanka.

She might not get an immediate "heads-up" even after suicides and accidents play out. I strongly doubt that her core constituency will fall for the sympathy and insecure image again. Also, if reports about her being a practicing Buddhist are true, then her chances are even lesser.

Ahmed Patel's empire will need to have survived intact for her to have any chance.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 23 Mar 2013 19:32

Atri wrote:
Supratik wrote:The Israelis are facing demographic competition in Israel itself. Why would they want to occupy India? They don't have the numbers.
Its not about occupying India.. It is about creating a space for themselves outside dominion of Islamo-Christists when arabs overrun (demographically) EU and Israel. India and Hindus should help them, but cautiously.. that is all..

I have Jews in my family. They are very hard workers, intelligent, and resourceful. This has made them extremely powerful in all walks of life. They look after their own and are a peaceful people but in the end they are the founders of the Abrahamic lineage from which they derive political theories and various -isms which they use to dictate public policy once they occupy high positions in government/economics. In the US, they will be facing stiff competition for power from Indians and will look at us and our philosophy as a threat.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 23 Mar 2013 20:03

why do people think Muthalik is bad news.

when rank communal forces and desh drohis can join hands with congis and still be termed secular.

At least Muthalik for whatever he is is not against the idea of India.
If he wins votes so what - who will it alienate -- so called congis and ots supporters in media.

How many will vote BJP if no Muthalik is there.

remember congis have more or less stable vote bank with someincrease or decrease at the best.
This division of votes due to catses along with many other factors help it win elections.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 23 Mar 2013 20:48

anchal wrote:Please also note Mulla Mulayam's praising LKA for 'being honest'. He knows the level of ground support for Modi, hence this charade to create confusion. UP will give game changing election results this time around

Exactly. He is acting in the interest of CON DIEnasty

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 24 Mar 2013 02:26

One of my friends who used to be associated with Karnataka BJP at a lower level (vague enough

), is all sad and hopeless. He does not see BJP winning in 2014. Of course he is one person was at a low level, who thinks INC has better grass-roots organization than BJP. He is aghast and sad, but not surprised that MH which is facing drought like KA does not get the same media attention as KA. People still vote on caste lines, he has connections with AP crowd as well.

In all people vote for their caste leaders, and local leaders/dada. INC is betting on that I guess.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Mar 2013 02:54

An end in sight: Tavleen Singh

It is not that the government cannot survive the bolt that came out of a clear blue sky from Chennai last week. With the help of Mulayam, Mayawati and perhaps even Mamata, it probably can hobble along till 2014, although relying on these three is so risky that furtive confabulation are already taking place to discuss the future. The more times senior ministers go on television to assure us that the government is 'stable' the more it is beginning to sound as if they are confirming that old journalist adage: never believe a rumour till it is officially denied.

The real question is whether it is in India's interest for the Sonia-Manmohan government to survive a full term. Do we really deserve another year of a government that is so feeble, dithering and hopeless that senior leaders claim not to know why the CBI raided Stalin's house two days after the DMK withdrew support? In my ever humble opinion we most certainly do not need such a government. The sooner the general election comes the better for India.

Much has been written about this government's ruinous economic polices that halved the growth rate and weakened the rupee and there is little more that I can add. So this week, I would like to concentrate on the political damage done since 2009. It started almost from day one. No sooner did

Dr Manmohan Singh take office as prime minister for the second time than the political grapevine began to buzz with stories of how Rahul Gandhi would be taking over in 2012.

Those responsible for spreading these stories added that the only reason why he had not claimed his political inheritance immediately was because he wanted to prove he was a 'real leader' by winning elections in Bihar and Uttar Pradesh. When this did not happen he virtually withdrew from public life but by then it was clear to everyone that the prime minister was subordinate to the Congress president and her son. It will take a very strong leader to repair the damage done to this most important office in a proper parliamentary democracy.

The truth is we have not been a proper parliamentary democracy for the past four years. We went back to the kind of democratic feudalism that prevailed in the times of Indira Gandhi. Just like in those times when

Mrs Gandhi's powerful stenographers became more important than cabinet ministers, we have seen the emergence of kitchen cabinets around the Congress president and her son. Sycophants, socialites and a noxious species of NGO types have ruled the roost while senior ministers have been reduced to courtiers. The only time they have shown evidence of a spine is when they have openly defied the prime minister's orders.

The worst aspect of the peculiar political formation that has governed India for the past four years has been a remarkable absence of accountability. The Prime Minister has almost never spoken to the media in his second term. Sonia Gandhi has never given an interview and neither has Rahul. Can you name another democratic country in which this contempt for accountability would be considered normal? I have thought about it and cannot. The damage done by this secretive genre of governance is so deep that whoever becomes the next prime minister will need to immediately institute a system of regular, televised conversations with the people and routine media briefings. Renouncing accountability is not an option that leaders can choose in a real democracy.

An open revolt against this distortion of democracy came when the likes of Anna Hazare and Baba Ramdev showed up in Delhi to demand accountability. One of the things they said repeatedly was that democracy cannot mean just holding elections every five years. Democracy has to mean that elected representatives remain accountable to the people all through the five years of their term. It was one of the few things they got right. If they had been more politically aware they would have realised that corruption was not the real issue but only a symptom of the real issue. Since they never managed to work that out, the movement and its political offshoot, the Aam Aadmi Party, have almost been forgotten. This does not take away from the damage done to democracy in the past four years by a government that is looking increasingly pathetic.

As I said at the beginning of this piece it may hobble along on wobbly crutches till 2014 but it would be a great pity if it did because India cannot afford to be governed any longer by leaders who believe they are not accountable. India cannot afford another year of being governed by a Durbar in Delhi. If you have guessed that I used that word purposely to promote my new book you would be right!

Follow Tavleen Singh on Twitter @ tavleen_singh

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 24 Mar 2013 06:25

SwamyG wrote:One of my friends who used to be associated with Karnataka BJP at a lower level (vague enough ), is all sad and hopeless. He does not see BJP winning in 2014. Of course he is one person was at a low level, who thinks INC has better grass-roots organization than BJP. He is aghast and sad, but not surprised that MH which is facing drought like KA does not get the same media attention as KA. People still vote on caste lines, he has connections with AP crowd as well.

In all people vote for their caste leaders, and local leaders/dada. INC is betting on that I guess.

No offence sir, but it means nothing

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 24 Mar 2013 09:14

Sir, BJP failed to rule properly in Karnataka. Had it been reasonablly did well it would have a chance. It did not. So there is a problem. Yaddi did lot of work in rural areas which held him while he was CM and it is uncertain how far it will help BJP.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 24 Mar 2013 09:35

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Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 24 Mar 2013 10:12

Vayalar Ravi hints at possible UPA-Left alliance

In what appears to be an ‘unofficial’ invitation to Left parties, the Union Minister for Overseas Affairs Vayalar Ravi, on Saturday said that he personally wished that the United Progressive Alliance (UPA) came to an understanding with the Left parties in the coming general elections.

http://newindianexpress.com/states/kera ... 514935.ece

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 24 Mar 2013 10:43

krisna wrote:why do people think Muthalik is bad news.

when rank communal forces and desh drohis can join hands with congis and still be termed secular.

At least Muthalik for whatever he is is not against the idea of India.
If he wins votes so what - who will it alienate -- so called congis and ots supporters in media.

How many will vote BJP if no Muthalik is there.

remember congis have more or less stable vote bank with someincrease or decrease at the best.
This division of votes due to catses along with many other factors help it win elections.

See, there are parts of Sangh that can put up a huge militia in a jiffy if you really want it. But basically nobody wants it, not at this time in history. Almost all of Sanghis are conservative traditionalist hindus. Despite this potency there is hardly any part that goes into the open and takes part in lawlessness unless the circumstances seem compelling.

Now for some reason we have Muttalik ji getting seen on TV talking about money, hitting out at unsuspecting yuppie women folk and going on a selective morality binge. Conveniently enough there are TV cameras all around when he does that.

Accha now we also have Advani ji getting praised by Mullah-e-yam.

I would say a man is known by the Sangat he keeps. Corollary being if somebody has to make it look like something, then Sangat is what he should logically look to undermine.

In fact there are other parts of India where we have a real competition going on with EJs, Islamists and GoI. At times with fisticuffs involved. Still you see no heropanthi in these places. Muttalik may have been a low level functionary who could not keep his ambitions under control. Typically Sanghis allow new outfits to be floated for such special interest groups but these remain within the fold often with common sources of funds and kaar-sevaks and common goals. Only the methodology/focus differing. The sources of funds and muscle power for Muttalik is still doubtful. Mutallik getting his muscle power from the disgruntled/overambitious fringes of the Sangh itself is plausible. But where is the money coming from. How is his show managed.

Also I am not questioning Muttalik on his idea of India. Not yet. Though I would like to know what his idea is of India.

On drawing comparisons:
Kongis rely on the dissipation of the hindu bank and consolidation of the minorities. They have a vakri logic going. This logic works so long as vast majority of hindus can be misinformed. As the hindus have gained economic strength the Kongis have gone down. For Kongis to get successful they will have to excel on this logic. First past the post, gets the Kongi logic going.

Sangh on the other hand relies on the normal logic of mobilizing the obvious part of the country. Sangh logic is different from Kongis and their comparison will have to be against their different standards. First past the post, becomes a drag on the Sanghi politics. It is against a pre-understood, pre-decided standard that Sangh will have to fight. Ergo that is against what they will have to be compared. Sangh does not have the luxury of inertia unlike Kongis so they cannot wish to be judged along the same standards as the Kongis.

JMT though.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 24 Mar 2013 12:55

krisna wrote:why do people think Muthalik is bad news.

when rank communal forces and desh drohis can join hands with congis and still be termed secular.

At least Muthalik for whatever he is is not against the idea of India.
If he wins votes so what - who will it alienate -- so called congis and ots supporters in media.

How many will vote BJP if no Muthalik is there.

remember congis have more or less stable vote bank with someincrease or decrease at the best.
This division of votes due to catses along with many other factors help it win elections.

Sir Jee:

BJP(NaMo) has a chance because he is changing the game. Moving it away from identity based politics to development based one.

Muthalik, rightly or wrongly, represents the aspect of Right Wing Politics which many Indians do not feel comfortable with.

By dragging in Identity Politics, Muthalic diminishes NaMo's message and ending the Tryst with the Dynasty.

It is the middle India, which will determine NaMo's future, and Muthalik does not appeal to them.

Further it will confirm the existing fear of non-Dharmics about the intent of the Dharmics. A non-Dharmic questioning the dynasty, and leaning toward NaMo will run back as the MSM highlights Muthalik's acceptance.

India needs to rise above identity politics. Progress will happen when that ends. And once India progresses, those who attack Dharmics will have a much smaller field to play in.

anchal · Post by **anchal** » 24 Mar 2013 12:59

fanne, this is just my reading the leaves. I hail from the UP hinterland and might dare say have pulse on the ground. My father also told me Modi wave is bigger and silent than Emergency wave against Indira. The mounting fear in Mulayam brigade is indication of that. Besides being in bed with terrorists, Mulayam is an astute politician. Barring Dalit, who would still vote for BSP and hence no murmur from Behenji, almost every segment of Hindus would vote for him. Mulayam knows he cannot appear to be too soft towards Muslims, hence Bukhari left SP (whatever that mean) few days ago. The more Muslims polarize against Modi, the bigger wave becomes
Mulayam is now doing a Sonia on Akhilesh and criticizing his government on governance (oh the irony!). The deteriorating law and order situation has turned so bad and Muslims have become so brazen that even Yadavs are saying it is Muslims' government, not theirs! Rajnath has hedged his bets by supporting Modi. Knowing him, this is tactical support only. Kalyan coming back to BJP would also help since he commands hold over Lodh votes which are crucial in West UP. The only going against the Modi wave is D4 gang in which everyone wants to become PM without even winning a gram panchayat election on their own! TIFWIW

anchal · Post by **anchal** » 24 Mar 2013 13:09

In addition to that, the moment Behenji starts discovering 'secularism' by criticizing Modi; one would know which way the wind is blowing. So far that is not happening because 1. Behenji feels secure in her vote bank and sees no chances of defection 1. she is in wait-watch mode. If NaMo indeed becomes a large force enough to form the government; she would be willing to switch sides. Either way, LS elections in UP are always contested differently from Assembly ones; Mulayam is using calculator using MLA numbers to arrive at his MPs. He knows his time is running out faster. But then one would say; why does he not want to bring down UPA? The reason is what if he withdraws support from UPA and it survives using CBI'S 'outside support'. Hell hath the fury of THE WOMAN scorned!

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 24 Mar 2013 14:51

If UP turns, India will have turned... All these wussy arguments about (sic)ularism will evaporate like hogwash. And the moolah_crime networks that operate in the GV area will start looking to hedge as well...DollahuAkbar after all...

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 24 Mar 2013 14:51

anchal wrote: ..The more Muslims polarize against Modi, the bigger wave becomes
Mulayam is now doing a Sonia on Akhilesh and criticizing his government on governance (oh the irony!). The deteriorating law and order situation has turned so bad and Muslims have become so brazen that even Yadavs are saying it is Muslims' government, not theirs!
..

Just twisted!

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 24 Mar 2013 17:19

Hari Seldon wrote:If UP turns, India will have turned... All these wussy arguments about (sic)ularism will evaporate like hogwash. And the moolah_crime networks that operate in the GV area will start looking to hedge as well...DollahuAkbar after all...

If UP and Bihar gives to BJP then we will see Modi as PM. It is a surety this that INC will not be returned from AP and hence there is no UPA. If UP and Bihar does not return BJP with needed push then we will see Jayalalitha as PM and with a stronger Modi even in that case.

As Tavleen Singh wrote end of misery is in sight.

Added later:
We will have either a true-secular government led by Modi or a semi-secular government led by the spinster from TN.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 24 Mar 2013 17:26

Narayana Rao wrote:Sir, BJP failed to rule properly in Karnataka. Had it been reasonablly did well it would have a chance. It did not. So there is a problem. Yaddi did lot of work in rural areas which held him while he was CM and it is uncertain how far it will help BJP.

Based on Panchayat/corporation polls recently, BJP did decently well. Both congress and BJP grew at the expense of JD(s). In terms of performace, KA development index is very good and much better under BJP compared to previous regimes. In terms of infrastructure the best is the one that JD(s) and BJP rules together and later the five year (politically instable) one did produce a very good results.

Electorally, BJP did not lose its base and that is clear from the panchayat election. If they put forward a good strategy they can still come close to victory. It will be interesting to see if congress can pull beyond 80 in May.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 24 Mar 2013 17:26

VikramS wrote:
krisna wrote:why do people think Muthalik is bad news.

when rank communal forces and desh drohis can join hands with congis and still be termed secular.

At least Muthalik for whatever he is is not against the idea of India.
If he wins votes so what - who will it alienate -- so called congis and ots supporters in media.

How many will vote BJP if no Muthalik is there.

remember congis have more or less stable vote bank with someincrease or decrease at the best.
This division of votes due to catses along with many other factors help it win elections.

Sir Jee:

BJP(NaMo) has a chance because he is changing the game. Moving it away from identity based politics to development based one.

Muthalik, rightly or wrongly, represents the aspect of Right Wing Politics which many Indians do not feel comfortable with.

By dragging in Identity Politics, Muthalic diminishes NaMo's message and ending the Tryst with the Dynasty.

It is the middle India, which will determine NaMo's future, and Muthalik does not appeal to them.

Further it will confirm the existing fear of non-Dharmics about the intent of the Dharmics. A non-Dharmic questioning the dynasty, and leaning toward NaMo will run back as the MSM highlights Muthalik's acceptance.

India needs to rise above identity politics. Progress will happen when that ends. And once India progresses, those who attack Dharmics will have a much smaller field to play in.

I agree 100%.

Krisnaji ... We know where you are coming from. The Indian public has been brainwashed into thinking, I am not exaggerating "It is OK to for Muslims to riot and kill Hindus or blast bombs in markets to kill Indians. They are like that. We can't do any thing. But Hindus can't be communal". They don't understand Bangal situation or Assam situation or UP situation. They don't understand that bad Governance is due to the communal vote bank politics of communal ganging up. Even if they know it, unless it directly affects them in their towns, they go back to their castiest politics.

Some are scared by Shiv Sena goons or Muthalik goons beating up people on road or pubs. These incidents are magnified million times to scare Urban young voters and solidify their feelings against BJP.

Modi just changed that mindset and changed the conversation to Governance, Development and Equality before law. That is a message which will resonate with urban middle class and even secularists.

Gujarat had riots every year in 60s/70s/80s/90s until 2002. No riots now. No unrest now. Gujarat has been used by CON and PAID media fiberals to justify Paki and Islamic terrorist blasts. The Indian public and Hindus thought it is OK to do that.

We need to change the focus to growth, opportunities and true secularism. No appeasement or discussion of religion 24x7 by PAID MEDIA, Politicians and ISI paid Fiberals.

The reason why most PAID MEDIA, Fiberals, Muslim and Christians are scared are:

1. NGOs & PAID MEDIA can't loot public money using Govt. funds
2. For most Islamic communalists, real Development/Governance means there is a chance that their lower class will get opportunities and the privileged can't loot all the resources they get from appeasement. Development means women might get jobs and reformed. The worse the Muslim community does, the better is for Salman Krushids, Aakar Patels etc.
2. Most Christians like to use Church to control politics. They need to convert by whatever means. Hindus/VHP/Bajrang Da assist this conversion by not focussing on issues people face.

Most missionaries (as you saw YSR's allocation of 2000 acres to one such org) use charity or development work and use it to convert people. I have no issue with it. It is the Hindu fault for not approaching them rightly.

But as we have seen, Modi effectively knows how to bring tribals and others back into Hindu fold using Development and Governance.

That is a big competition for most CHristians even secular, liberal ones. That is why even people like Theo oppose him using excuses, innuendos and misleading information.

I think right Development coupled with education will reduce the communalization and use of Masjid/Church in elections. Most minorities don't like it. That is their opposition to Modi.

We need to move away from Muthaliks and move to people like Modi with Vision and ability to change India for good.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 24 Mar 2013 17:31

krisna wrote:why do people think Muthalik is bad news.

when rank communal forces and desh drohis can join hands with congis and still be termed secular.

At least Muthalik for whatever he is is not against the idea of India.
If he wins votes so what - who will it alienate -- so called congis and ots supporters in media.

How many will vote BJP if no Muthalik is there.

remember congis have more or less stable vote bank with someincrease or decrease at the best.
This division of votes due to catses along with many other factors help it win elections.

Very simple. Electoral math and rhetoric changes are to be managed. The one on the fences and those who are looking at Modi as a development icon is planning vote for BJP. By bringing in Muthalik (who allegedly takes money from Congress party and is part of the compromised sections of sangh parivaar) congress party changes the rhetoric during elections. It will start as Valentine's day buster and later bar buster but in the end can even link to Delhi rapes.

It is best this kind of nuisance is avoided unless there is real math that proves BJP will win handsomely due to him.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 24 Mar 2013 19:39

Muppalla wrote:
krisna wrote:why do people think Muthalik is bad news.

when rank communal forces and desh drohis can join hands with congis and still be termed secular.

At least Muthalik for whatever he is is not against the idea of India.
If he wins votes so what - who will it alienate -- so called congis and ots supporters in media.

How many will vote BJP if no Muthalik is there.

remember congis have more or less stable vote bank with someincrease or decrease at the best.
This division of votes due to catses along with many other factors help it win elections.
Very simple. Electoral math and rhetoric changes are to be managed. The one on the fences and those who are looking at Modi as a development icon is planning vote for BJP. By bringing in Muthalik (who allegedly takes money from Congress party and is part of the compromised sections of sangh parivaar) congress party changes the rhetoric during elections. It will start as Valentine's day buster and later bar buster but in the end can even link to Delhi rapes.

It is best this kind of nuisance is avoided unless there is real math that proves BJP will win handsomely due to him.

Bingo! Couldn't put it better

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 24 Mar 2013 19:53

Binayak Sen joined AAP and Just like Prachanda of Nepal he is an atheist while his family is practicing Christian.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 24 Mar 2013 20:23

Krsnaji...

Right now, you can be a hardliner, wait for ultimate Hindutva type macho leader and keep shrinking.

Or put the focus on development, make people realize the real essence of Hinduism without appeasement. The minority fanatcis will raise a ruckus, scare middle class/moderate people that a communal war is in the offing. Most people fear the rhetoric and want to shy away.

The reaction I got from most people on death sentence of Memon brother is: Why now? Dawood & co, Muslims will get angry; there will be another bombing in Hyderabad. The Govt. can't protect us anyway! Why after 20 years. So the message is if you one of those died in the bombing, too bad. Now don't punish them. They will get angry kill us more.

The Law, Equality before law, Govt. role in Governance/Development is all lost on general public. You have to prevent ganging up of anti-Hindu communalists and brain washed secularists. They think nothing wrong in the name of justice or out of fear to leave the terrorists who kill us. It will take a long long time to change the mindset.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 25 Mar 2013 01:51

Hail Karunanidhi, leader of Tamils!

What is different now? Evidently, the DMK has no further use for the Congress. It thinks that the Congress will get wiped out in Tamil Nadu in the general elections to follow, that it would be a wonder if the Congress gets even one seat in Tamil Nadu, which is probably why P Chidambaram is spending such a lot of time in Puducherry. It is also arguable that some of the Congress votes will go to the DMK in a three-cornered contest. Not only that, the DMK probably thinks that the Congress is going to do pretty badly in other states as well. It is an alliance with a tainted past and no future. Some would argue that if Rahul Gandhi learnt some Tamil and spent some time in Tamil Nadu, something could be salvaged. But it is evident, even to the DMK, that we are well past that.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 25 Mar 2013 03:19

Even the tallest congress leader recently joined ADMK. So DMK's relation with congress is only due to 2G and other blackmail. Electorally there is no need.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 25 Mar 2013 07:08