Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 26 Mar 2013 23:14

RajeshA wrote:Published on Mar 26, 2013
By R Jagannathan
Modi for Lucknow and other election-time red herrings: First Post

Nothing illustrates the phoniness of election season as the statements made by politicians. When Mulayam Singh Yadav wants to get himself some upper caste votes in Uttar Pradesh, he even goes around praising LK Advani for his truthfulness. When Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar wants to pressure the BJP to keep Narendra Modi under wraps, at least till the polls, he will hold rallies to press for special status to Bihar. And when Narendra Modi wants to throw a feint, he will get a fan club in Uttar Pradesh to pretend that he may even contest from Lucknow in order to show he can win outside Gujarat.

As for Mulayam Singh’s praise for Advani, the motives are even clearer: Modi as a backward class politician, even though he never uses this caste affiliation for political ends, has a certain appeal to both the upper castes and the OBCs in Uttar Pradesh. As the alleged champion of Hindutva—something he has never tomtommed after 2002—his image needs no special Hindutva mention. It is assumed. Add the development agenda, and his CV looks infinitely better in Uttar Pradesh. Mulayam Singh may even be worried about his Yadav base.

This is what gets Mulayam’s goat. He won the last election on the basis of a growing share of upper caste votes, but these came to him because the BJP looked like no-hopper. Under Modi, it is not. Hence the praise for Advani, who was till recently the villain in Mulayam Singh’s books, having led the Ayodhya movement. Mulayam Singh, it should be recalled, has previously hobnobbed with Kalyan Singh, another Ayodhya movement posterboy, but this did not yield dividends. His embrace of Advani is thus another effort to fool two constituencies – the upper castes, in the hope that they will notice, and the minorities, in the hope that they won’t notice what he said.

This is like Vinaji's posts. Hoping every Indian voter is stupid, dumb and idiotic.

Lets see if Indians are willing to fooled for ever as hoped by ITALIAN madam and CON artists, PAID MEDIA anti-national Fiberals and disgusting Dynasts all over India.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 26 Mar 2013 23:36

mahadevbhu wrote:all of this does not see the fact that where modi stands he polarizes not only the muslims to vote for congress...but also mainstream hindus, upper and lower caste to polarize IN HIS FAVOUR.

so net result is........modi wins.

On the contrary, all this does see that fact!

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 27 Mar 2013 00:38

vina wrote:
rajkumar wrote:Why do you want Kangress back? Doesn't development or governance mean anything to you?
It does. I admit that the UPA 2nd term has been an unmitigated disaster and those dunderheads shot themselves in the foot by the policy paralysis and trying to live around "election schedules" (fat lot of good it did, in putting reforms and governance on hold , in the UP elections for eg) and handing over policy making to the NAC nutcases who formed the Desh Ki Bahu's kitchen cabinet.

Yes, the first term was hamstrung by the commies, the 2nd by Didi. But you can't absolve the UPA of it's own ills. And oh, never EVER (I hate to say this about any community in India, but Bengal politicos and economics/finance ministry is asking for disaster), make a politico from Bengal a Finance Minister and appoint a fellow Bengali as economic adviser. That Mukherjee fellow has been a disaster in all the times he was FM and brought the country to it's knees and as I said earlier, his last budget was in the realm of fantasy. We lost 3 years of growth and stagnated in the process, and all the current problems can be traced back to that fact. Mercifully Mukherjee has been kicked upstairs.

But despite all this, what is the alternative ? Narendra Modi ? Ok, he will manage the country well in terms of getting growth going, investment going, less corruption etc, but does he have acceptability outside Guj ? I don't think so. He will be a great No2 in the govt, running stuff and making sure that everything works. Who today in the NDA can hold together BJD, JDU, SS/MNS,Akali , TDP , DMK/AIADMK etc etc and run a coalition. Modi aint it. Vajpayee was the one who could do it . Who is there now ? Sushma ? No way.. Jaitley ? He wont win even in his neighbourhood constituency. So, by default UPA is gonna be back. The only hope is that they are back without Didi/Commies and other nuisances and they have the sense to kick out the NAC nutcases and turn back to sensible economics and politics and can politicos and total failures like Diggy baba (his record, basically of leaving MP in absolute tatters would have seen him kicked out of any civilized party, but oh no, he gets to become Gen Sec and shoot his mouth off in all directions) .

You know funny thing about this post is:

There are corporations which die slowly because of the leadership they inherit or imposed upon. They die gradually, kind of slow death because of lack of proper leadership. Usually they are run by a board whose CEO kind of runs it like a dictatorship with no input from any one and living in a shell.

This post illustrates every useless excuse and stupid reasons you can come up and watch how an entity is destroyed completely but every one stands watching the destruction.

policy paralysis is due to trying to live around "election schedules" (I guess EC has to be blamed)
NAC nutcases fault
handing over policy making to the NAC nutcases (I guess this happened due God's will and God can't be blamed may be RSS's fault just like 11/26 is RSS fault.)
UPA-1 failure - Commie fault
UPA-2 failure - Didi fault
Financial Mess - it is all Bengali fault led by Pranab Mukherjee
Rest of the mess - it is Diggy's fault

So there is a total and abysmal failure of one person: Sonia

But every has to be blamed for her failure.

What are our options: Modi ain't, Jaitley can't; Sushma can't

Having finished detailed analysis, we reached a conclusion - UPA-3 with 235 CON seats

anjan · Post by **anjan** » 27 Mar 2013 01:09

vina wrote: So, by default UPA is gonna be back. The only hope is that they are back without Didi/Commies and other nuisances and they have the sense to kick out the NAC nutcases and turn back to sensible economics and politics and can politicos and total failures like Diggy baba (his record, basically of leaving MP in absolute tatters would have seen him kicked out of any civilized party, but oh no, he gets to become Gen Sec and shoot his mouth off in all directions) .

So basically you want the Congress to .. stop being the Congress?

Pretty much the entirety of the Congress ideology now revolves around a) Doles and other economic policies as dictated by the NAC b) Secularism as defined by Diggy and Manishankar Aiyar. Take those out and all you're left with is the poor anti-nepotistic youth leader(who's not young, not much of leader and really he's only there because of crass nepotism.)

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 27 Mar 2013 01:15

The above post from Vina should be to "hall of fame" and does not belong to any open threads. Ten years - failure after failure is accepted but still want the same because the alternatives are native enought to be hated to the core.

I just don't like them and hence I want to continue to wriggle with the stinking pig-shit and would love to test this for another decade. A decade is lost so what? This pig-shit though stinking is what I can live with but I am not ready for the alternative as there is no charm in the alternative.

Psychology experts - what is the above characterstic of human mindset is called?

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 27 Mar 2013 02:22

Muppalla wrote:Psychology experts - what is the above characterstic of human mindset is called?

I am no psychology expert.

But I believe the word you are looking for is "Stockholm syndrome"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

Stockholm syndrome, or capture–bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness.[1][2] The FBI's Hostage Barricade Database System shows that roughly 27% of victims show evidence of Stockholm syndrome.[3]

Stockholm syndrome can be seen as a form of traumatic bonding, which does not necessarily require a hostage scenario, but which describes “strong emotional ties that develop between two persons where one person intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other.”[4] One commonly used hypothesis to explain the effect of Stockholm syndrome is based on Freudian theory. It suggests that the bonding is the individual’s response to trauma in becoming a victim. Identifying with the aggressor is one way that the ego defends itself. When a victim believes the same values as the aggressor, they no longer become a threat. [5]

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 27 Mar 2013 03:40

Guys, vina is looking to rock the dhaga boat. Throw some flame-baity statements and scoot as the dhaga derails.... now where have we seen this before .... some fidelity of a theological bent comes to mind...

Anyway, we dhaga regulars don't really have to oblige every troll-van that passes by. Just yawn and move on, only. jai ho and all that.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 27 Mar 2013 03:47

Thanks,
There is ignore button as well. If there ever was a need to use, it is here. Also Muppalla I can answer that question (and I do not believe it is Stockholm Syndrome, though it is in the mix), but sometime doing the right analysis and telling truth may not be very advisable for it can be very hurting.
The only thing I can add is what Ashok Gottapati use to say is very right, only that his allegations was very broad based, hence incorrect, but for a narrow group or subset, he was entirely right.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 27 Mar 2013 04:13

To err is human. To blame someone else is politics.

-Hubert H. Humphrey

Cheers Vina!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Mar 2013 04:50

Can folks use the methodolgy of Nate Silver and use it for the 2014 Indian General Elections?
Its based on survey of surveys with weights.

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 27 Mar 2013 07:54

^^^^^^

lots of posters getting their undies in a twist due to one single post by vina.

so....either you agree with the main theme of thread and chant yes master like a cult......

or you get your 72?----and have very unobjective posts and personal comments made on your posts?

silly.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 27 Mar 2013 10:05

People - Observe AP. INC state governament is now a minority. EJ backed Jagan criminal gang is the only threat now. As long as Jagan is in jail his criminal gang/party continue to lose support. But we shall remember Jagan criminal gang is basically INC - B team only and will end up supporting INC at Delhi. So INC will lose AP but its B team is going to replacely is? CBN has to come bakc otherwise AP is lost once gain. Problem is CBN is dreaming about 3rd front. He is not a reliable person on long run. Tend to take political decisions based on short term gains only. Had is continue with BJP/NDA he would have come back to power last year itself and therewould not have been BJP support to T agitation just like NDA rule.

We have to hope that CBN will do well in MP seats and further hope that is not not stupid to follow the useless 3rd front ideas of the left.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 27 Mar 2013 11:14

fanne wrote:Thanks,
There is ignore button as well. If there ever was a need to use, it is here. Also Muppalla I can answer that question (and I do not believe it is Stockholm Syndrome, though it is in the mix), but sometime doing the right analysis and telling truth may not be very advisable for it can be very hurting.
The only thing I can add is what Ashok Gottapati use to say is very right, only that his allegations was very broad based, hence incorrect, but for a narrow group or subset, he was entirely right.

That bugger was blinded by his antipathies and so are you.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 27 Mar 2013 12:07

Well, being an eternal optimist, using the Nitish carrot I hope NDA manages to prod UPA to go for an early no confidence vote and fall and hold elections.

UPA is waiting for good monsoons and economic situation in May 2014 with the drought being a distant memory whereas holding them now in September 2013 could be very detrimental.

vina · Post by **vina** » 27 Mar 2013 13:10

anjan wrote:So basically you want the Congress to .. stop being the Congress?

Pretty much the entirety of the Congress ideology now revolves around a) Doles and other economic policies as dictated by the NAC b) Secularism as defined by Diggy and Manishankar Aiyar. Take those out and all you're left with is the poor anti-nepotistic youth leader(who's not young, not much of leader and really he's only there because of crass nepotism.)

That is a mis characterization of the Congress, which traditionally was a "broad tent" org, which had all shades of opinion in it. Nutters like Diggy and Doofus Aiyer are a product of the 70s perversion of the Congress and lets face it, the failure of AB Vajpayee to win a second term (largely due to the decimation of the TDP) and the consequent stick the reforms got as politically non saleable , and the UPA win for the 2nd term on the back of the MNREGA and giveaways , basically boosted the "leftist" wing in Congress (and the NAC nutters went beyond all control). Now in hindsight, it is clear that the UPA -I win was due to the back of the strong economy , the base for which was laid during the Vajpayee year reforms and it just coasted along on good global macro tailwinds.

Now the NAC and leftist nutters have brought absolute ruin ( the Current Account Deficit is going to be closer to 6% this year, clearly unsustainable in any circumstances), they have managed to rub their own faces in the dirt and are now shown up for the irresponsible nutcases that they are, who actually managed to RUIN Yuvraj's path to the throne and the saner elements of the Congress have now been brought back to try and create a last minute turnaround in a very short time. The nutter cycle in Congress is over and the idea of unsustainable welfare give aways as the route back to power has been discredited. And mercifully we never see a Pranab Mukherjee again , ever.

Trouble with Modi Aayega and everything will be fine (I listened to Modi on TV, very impressive and persuasive) is that , India doesn't have a presidential form of govt. Modi will be severely limited in what he can do, and will first have to deal with the luddites within the RSS camp itself (like Vajpyaee had to do with the likes of Dattopant Thengdi) . I seriously have great difficulty in getting my arms around a right of center party having a commie economic tendencies (and as for AAm aadmi party and their nut case economic agenda, there cant be a greater disaster than that if those guys even get within whiff of influence, thank goodness for small mercies that they are a non entity). In addition, Modi too will face the pull and push of coalition politics and will be circumscribed by what he can do.

Case in point . AB Vajpayee govt. Arun Shourie couldn't privatize air india, while he pushed through many others, an action if done then would have benefitted the country more than anything else. Why couldn't he do it ? Think about Shiv Sena and their pocket unions in Air India and IA and the Mumbai airport hub where they have outsize influence. In our system, we will always have those pulls and pushes and interests whoever comes to power. That is the bottom line.

I do think Modi will be a great no 2 and sword arm in getting things done well and efficiently . You need to have a "mukhota" , the trouble is there is none for the BJP right now with that kind of gravitas.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 27 Mar 2013 14:10

vina wrote: The nutter cycle in Congress is over and the idea of unsustainable welfare give aways as the route back to power has been discredited. And mercifully we never see a Pranab Mukherjee again , ever.

The usual Vina-esque humbug that we've come to expect !!

Grand pronouncements of the "nutter cycle in Congress being over" won't cut it - when it is plain to anyone with IQ that the NUTTERS are right at the top of the party in the form of a feudal and distasteful Dynasty !

The difference between the BJP and Dynasty party is simply this - The latter is led by Luddites from the very top. The BJP has its own share of luddites but certainly not at party leadership position, unlike the Congress. The leadership is going to be with Modi - arguably India's most visionary right-of-center politician, and he has proved that he is MORE than capable of dealing with any luddite who doesn't believe in his vision of development.

I seriously have great difficulty in getting my arms around a right of center party having a commie economic tendencies

I have even greater difficulty getting my arms around a supposed self-proclaimed economic rightist like you refusing to have anything negative to say against the Dynasty. Feel free to have your own tastes - but at least drop this fraud and pretence that you are some kind of anti-socialist. Please leave the economic right-wing field to GENUINE supporters and those with the capability to contribute some actual intellectual thought-leadership.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 27 Mar 2013 15:32

Very simply put, there is no way congress can rule the country on its own even if someone thinks they are all jewels in the crown. It will need three or more of DMK, Left, Mamta, Mulayam and Maya. To add more flavor it will have to deal with its own creations such as Jagan, KCR etc. Congress itself is purer commie version with a tinge of crony capitalism.

The alternative may not be stable but at the least it will cut the institutionalized crap. Any new crap getting institutionalization takes time and the focus changes and in the midst there is a hope that country goes forward irrespective of the leaders. People have to take over politics and for that India needs a constant change.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 27 Mar 2013 15:42

How to cook news? Here is the lesson. Steps - (1) create a junk site and put an article that is totally cooked up. (2) Then either you or interested party will either pay/influence one or more of a zillion news websites to publish a news item referring to the junk site that was created.

Delhi Polls: Survey predicts victory for Kejriwal's party
Read more at: http://news.oneindia.in/2013/03/27/delh ... 81133.html

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 27 Mar 2013 15:48

Irrespective of which front wins the elctions 2014, the question is
what will happen to congis if mother termite and its brood is shown the door -- does not matter which way.

the die nasty is the one which glues all the congis members to slavish mentality including its supporters. There are many in its ranks who are better than termite queen phamili but stifled in their political careers.

The reason I am posing this here is -- has a significant bearing on the development of the country as the slavish mentality will come to an end ( my fervent hope).
All good congis with good intention can breathe free and think of India as a nation. will new congi sprouts ever come up from its stable for better of the coutry.

will it continue to glue them or just disintegrate.
will it be a win win for India with removal of the termite party queen and its brood.

think of a congress with no die nasty at its helm.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 27 Mar 2013 15:58

INC running out of ideas so this is the latest tactic.

Plot to kill Gandhi subject of new film

vina · Post by **vina** » 27 Mar 2013 16:25

Muppalla wrote: People have to take over politics and for that India needs a constant change.

Ah. I see. In other words, a Permanent Revolution . Unfortunately, the latest proponent of that was Muammar Gaddafi (gulp!) and of course Libya has been under "Permanent Chaos"

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 27 Mar 2013 17:27

A simple democratic will do with no super PM.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 27 Mar 2013 17:40

Published on Mar 27, 2013
By S.K. Sinha
The later Mughal era today: Deccan Herald

Despite Mr Yadav’s unbridled prime ministerial ambitions and record of changing his stance like a chameleon, the chances of a Third Front appear very dim. Some regional leaders, through questionable means and covert Congress support, have thrown their hat in the ring for the prime ministerial race, like Nitish Kumar taking the unprecedented step of organising a show of strength in Delhi. The situation today is like later Mughal days dictated by regional satraps.

Notwithstanding all this, the much-discredited Congress has a fighting chance to bounce back to power in 2014. It has the advantage of unlimited money power, strict party discipline, and the TINA factor.

The BJP has two national leaders with a mass base, L.K. Advani and Narendra Modi, three outstanding parliamen-tarians like Sushma Swaraj, Arun Jaitley and Yashwant Sinha, and three very successful young chief ministers, Narendra Modi, Raman Singh and Shivraj Singh Chouhan.

Yet it must put its act together and be seen as a united party to be a viable alternative to the Congress. It is imperative for our democracy and our nation that one of our two main political parties emerges as a strong leading party with well over 200 seats in Parliament, a strong Centre not held hostage by a coalition partner. If that does not happen, India may well disintegrate and suffer the fate of the later Mughals.

The writer, a retired lieutenant-general, was Vice-Chief of Army Staff and has served as governor of Assam and Jammu and Kashmir

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 27 Mar 2013 18:09

Spoke with RSS-insider yesterday... following is pretty much everything he told me.

Background:
1) He is BJP-RSS senior leader
2) He considers me a Modi-pankha

3) He is from Karnataka (and is lingayat) so knows that state very well
4) He is not Modi fan(I think).. but doesn't hate him him either (he first met him 2 decades back in some BJP-RSS conference and slept in same conference room with Modi and rest of RSS-BJP people),
6) He was close to ABV (and people close to him).
7) This time he have given me permission to post all this so I don't feel bad for doing this.

As you can notice I am no Sanku-Mupalla-Munna... I am a noob at this so I asked too many noobish question(some times random). Sorry

Me : Sir "Aap Modi ko jitwa rahe hain ?"(are you helping Modi become PM ?)
Him :

Me : He wants to become PM ? Won't that hurt him if he is declared PM and BJP loses polls ?
Him : If he didn't want that, why would he do all this ?
Me: What is he doing.
Him: All these speeches and everything in Media. Why would media telecast his speeches live. Cong is getting angry with Media because of that.
Me: HE is doing all this ?
Him: Yes, he is having a team for this and they plan everything.
Me: Media isn't doing this for TRP ?
Him: No, they would sell ads to be played during some tragic news..
Me: Isn't lot of support coming from "Internet Hindus", who are propelling him ?
Him: Yes, but he also have his people... you know like Modi's guru "Bhaiyalal"* (I think this is what he said,gujju in US).
Me: Never heard of him.
Me: Tell me what is happening in Karnataka.. is JDS coming to power ?
Him: No.. they will get like 20-30 seats.
Me: What about BJP, can they get 60 ?
Him:

we would be lucky to get 20-30
Me: So is Yeddyurappa going to get lots of seats ?
Him: He too would get ~20.
Me: So Congress would win, will Siddharammiah be CM(I don't know too much about Karnataka politics, so didn't know what else to ask).
Him:

Sonia would decide that.
Me: Who is responsible for Karnataka mess ? People on internet blame D4...
Someone else: What is D4 ?
Me: LKA, AJ, SS, AK/VN
Him:

Mohan Bhagwatiji first coined that term...
Me: People randomly blame Adavni etc.. for using Hegde to remove Yeddyurappa.
Him: That is true, even with Gadkari.. AdvaniJi did that.
Me: Why would he do that ? Is this for money.
Him: No, for power. He wanted someone he could easily control.
Me: Anantha Kumar ?
Him: Like us he is "AC class" leader, yes.
Me: But why him, he is not mass leader.
Him: At least he thinks he is, but he have clout in Delhi.
Me: Is anyone in BJP trying to get Yeddyurappa back ?
Him: Yes, but wont be easy as Congress can control him. (hint:CBI)
Me: Are reddy brothers going to be any factor ?
Him: No, money alone cannot win elections.
Me: What about Nitish Kumar, can he / will he support Cong.
Him: Possible.
Me: Will that hurt JDU ?
Him: Hard to tell what will happen when BJP+JDU vote banks will split.
Me: But for what will he do that. What can Congress give him, they can't make him PM..
Him: For PM of 3rd front which Cong would support.
Me: Won't that affect his "clean image" ?
Him: Yes it would.
Me: What will be the trigger for him to support Cong ?
Him: If Modi is declared PM, that is why Modi won't do that.
Me: What other factors are behind Modi's rise ? Are Ambani and Adani any factor.
Him: Yes they are.
Me: But isn't that too risky, won't Cong go after them for this ?
Him: Its a risk yes, but in business one needs to take risk, and yes Cong can/will do that.
Me: And knowing all the risks, Businessmen are getting behind Modi ?
Him: Its because of policy paralysis, for example Jayant Natarajan is sitting on 30+ files for years.
Me: Is this because of Money or is she NGO types.
Him: That is Jairam Ramesh, its for money.. for Sonia.
Me: What about Sharad Pawar, is he very sick.
Him: He was always very sick.
Me: Will NCP be MNS-ized ?
Him: No, Ajit Pawar is mass leader while Supriya is ac-class leader.
Me: So what are BJP's chances in general elections ?
Him: Will lose seats in Karnataka and gain LOT in Rajasthan, gain little in Maharashtra, MP and CG we are already at a extremely good position so we can't expect more and may even loose few. To have any chance, BJP have to get 40-60 in UP or else BJP have no chance.
Me: What is you assessment, what is most likely scenario ?
Him: That is hard to predict, but it can be 3rd front supported by Cong which will take away support after 2 years and would claim 3rd front=instability.
Me: Can you please tell me any good news ?
Him: Modi will contest election from Lucknow, that is finalized and preparations are going on right now.
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I also asked about RSS... I will post that later as this is becoming wall of text.

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 27 Mar 2013 18:34

^^^^^

Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you.

I humbly accept the honour of being prescient .

Couple of posts back, on this thread, I was talking about how a polarizer is the most effective thing that wins elections in Uttar Pradesh.

Turns out Modi is going to be contesting from Lucknow.

I humbly accept your thanks, BRF.

ashkrishna · Post by **ashkrishna** » 27 Mar 2013 18:39

Modi from UP will be terribly interesting

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 27 Mar 2013 18:48

Arjun wrote:
I seriously have great difficulty in getting my arms around a right of center party having a commie economic tendencies

Arjun Sir. This post -al attack on Vinas certainly does not sit well with a poster of your rep and caliber.

If you could rephrase your disagreement in a more objective manner....it might be a good idea.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Mar 2013 19:19

anmol, So some of the big wigs are approaching 2014 as just another election and not with a view to win and do some good for the country.

Also about Karnataka elections it matches the PP guy's outlook that the vote base is split between Yeddi and BJP.

http://www.politicsparty.com/shownews.php?newsid=155

And dont know his axe but he blames LKA and AK for the Karnataka potential debacle for BJP.

I have heard of people trying to win but here leaders are trying to get defeated and still remain in charge.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 27 Mar 2013 19:49

ramana wrote:anmol, So some of the big wigs are approaching 2014 as just another election and not with a view to win and do some good for the country.

I don't know.. I basically dumped everything he told me related to BJP and Politics. I would let others who are not noob like me to interpret his replies.

ramana wrote:Also about Karnataka elections it matches the PP guy's outlook that the vote base is split between Yeddi and BJP.

http://www.politicsparty.com/shownews.php?newsid=155

I will ask him about this PP guy.

ramana wrote:And dont know his axe but he blames LKA and AK for the Karnataka potential debacle for BJP.

I have heard of people trying to win but here leaders are trying to get defeated and still remain in charge.

I don't think he have grudge against LKA. In fact I think he is part of same faction, or may be that is just coincidence.

When Yeddyurappa-Hegde thing was going on, his attitude was "Why did he do that, when he knew what Congress would do?".
During Gadkari-Advani things, his attitude was similar: "We are supposed to be party with a difference, allegations against him are really bad for BJP's image". Also, he was working with Yashwant Sinha when was speaking against Gadkari.

So in both the things, he was aligned with LKA.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Mar 2013 19:51

I ment the PP guy. I should have been clear.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 27 Mar 2013 19:54

I just remember one more thing:

Me: Is muthalik going to fight election with BJP's ticket ?
Him: No, were did you hear this ?
Me: TOI, is he connected to Sangha ?
Him: Not at all.
Me: From where is he getting money.
Him: JDS.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 27 Mar 2013 19:57

ramana wrote:I ment the PP guy. I should have been clear.

Oh.. okay.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 27 Mar 2013 20:28

So take home message is that Kt is gone and Modi will be in charge but not declared PM candidate before the elections. Kt defeat may help do in-house cleaning to get rid of some of the corrupt people who had joined.

Yogesh · Post by **Yogesh** » 27 Mar 2013 20:49

While we are talking on some of the big gain states, I just did some math on how INC manages to get some numbers despite doing so bad on every front. These states - Orissa, AP, Delhi, Haryana, TN, J&K (in 1999, BeJayPee had 36 seats in their kitty, but 0 in 2009) seems goner now.. some hope of fight back in Delhi perhaps!

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Mar 2013 21:13

anmol wrote:Spoke with RSS-insider yesterday... following is pretty much everything he told me.

Me: Who is responsible for Karnataka mess ? People on internet blame D4...
Someone else: What is D4 ?
Me: LKA, AJ, SS, AK/VN
Him: Mohan Bhagwatiji first coined that term...
Me: People randomly blame Adavni etc.. for using Hegde to remove Yeddyurappa.

I also asked about RSS... I will post that later as this is becoming wall of text.

Didn't know that. But i am very pleased to know that it was coined by Bhagvat Ji. This assures me that D4 days (Nehruvian residue in BJP) are numbered.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 27 Mar 2013 21:43

mahadevbhu wrote:Arjun Sir. This post -al attack on Vinas certainly does not sit well with a poster of your rep and caliber.

If you could rephrase your disagreement in a more objective manner....it might be a good idea.

Mahadevbhu, I do have a serious problem with anyone making bombastic claims of "Doing Nijikaran, Udharikaran and Baazarikaran" and heaping other rather Indic-sounding indignities on "Assorted Leftists", only to find out the Dynasty is apparently EXCLUDED from the definition of "assorted leftists" infesting the country.

I consider myself a committed economic rightist - and to me this is a case of outright fraud. If you are not anti-leftist, then don't misrepresent yourself in a manner that makes you out to be an imposter. Wouldn't you agree ?

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 27 Mar 2013 22:22

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/sama ... 59574.html

Amidst speculation that his party might withdraw outside support to UPA, Samajwadi Party supremo Mulayam Singh Yadav today launched a tirade against Congress accusing it of being "cheat and clever" and taking the people for a ride.

Addressing SP workers at his native place Saifai, Yadav said Congress always does things keeping in mind elections.

"First, the party waived farmers' loan slightly and then the elections took place which saw Congress winning a convincing majority.

"They will again do that. They are so clever and cheat...they take people for a ride when the time comes", Yadav charged and asked the people not to fall for Congress' tactics.

Hinting at his ambitions for a larger role in national politics, Yadav said coming Lok Sabha elections is the "real elections as Delhi means everything".

"State governments don't mean much. They are like your 'patwari' (revenue official) and government in Delhi is akin to your Collector", the SP chief said.

Speaking on the occasion, Mulayam's son and Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Akhilesh Yadav said party workers' next target should be to see Mulayam in the throne in Delhi.

The SP chief claimed that in next Lok Sabha elections, SP would be in the role of a kingmaker and party workers should work hard so that the party can done the key role.

He said the faith with which people installed a SP government in Uttar Pradesh has to be retierated in Lok Sabha elections.

The moron thinks he can continue to fool UP people with his CON game of supporting CON party one one hand and dumping them before election. Are UP people that stupid as he thinks?

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 27 Mar 2013 22:34

^^

could not care less about left right center.

My point is....you are sometimes getting personal.

attack the argument. not the arguer. explain why the argument is flawed.

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 27 Mar 2013 22:36

1. what does D4 stand for?

2. who is KT in B JP?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Mar 2013 22:43

Holi Hai! The many colours of Indian politics

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/holi ... 59543.html