Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 24 Mar 2013 18:24

Haresh wrote:'If girls look sexy, boys will rape.' Is this what Indian men really believe?

Oh please spare us the "views" of briturds about India and it's men, they should take a look at the no. of rapes happening in turdland and try to know what is the thinking of British men which is leading to so many rape cases in UK. A typical garbage article from the land of turds so as to massage there ego, AAk thoo.

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 24 Mar 2013 18:30

Sagar G,

"Haresh wrote:

'If girls look sexy, boys will rape.' Is this what Indian men really believe?"

I just copied and pasted from the story, that is not actually my view at all.

I really don't know what the average Indian man thinks, I have come across a fair amount of Indian origin families in the UK that take the view that their sons can do no wrong and treat them like royalty but take a totally different view with their daughters.

The story is just part of the debate.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 24 Mar 2013 18:36

Haresh

I am not saying that Indian men are all hunky dory about there views on women and there place in society but I am in no mood to take morality lessons from any caucasian especially of the briturd type. Posting links of news from turdland (or any western nation) serves no purpose to this thread when they themselves have a fcked up record regarding women safety.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 24 Mar 2013 21:35

The 'uncovered meat' attitude is something the whole of human society struggles with. A modern society requires that women be free to walk down a street at any hour in whatever attire and feel completely safe. It is a tough standard but we can get quite close to it.
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One of the things that has annoyed me about this entire episode is the language of the Indian penal code. It is replete with Victoria era sexism.

For instance, WRT Female Harassment...

IPC Section 354
Whoever assaults or uses criminal force to any woman, intending to outrage or knowing it to be likely that he will thereby outrage her modesty, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to two years, or with fine or both.

Think of how badly this law is put together.
- So a woman must be 'modest' to be outraged?
- What is modest and why is it expected of our women.
- Why is the intention of the attacker under speculation.
- What the hell does outrage mean. Our learned judges have ruled in the past that women who do act outrage were really not violated.
- And why only women why not girls.

So the Verma committee goes out there and drafts some thing that is even worse.

"intentional touching of another person when such act of touching is of sexual nature and is without the recipient's consent"

First note that physical contact is to be made. It has to be sexual, how the hell do you prove this, a lot of times it is simply intimidation. And now the consent of the victim is under question.
All this speaks to a situation where the victim is clearly under suspicion and the attacker is given a nudge and a wink. This is what folks mean when they say a society is sexist. It is so sexist it does not have the perspective to see what it is saying to the women involved even.

The terms to use would be Male/Female, violate, harassment, personal freedom, intimidate and assault. Instead we have this continuing steaming pile of sexist nonsense.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 25 Mar 2013 02:55

Theo_Fidel wrote:Looks like gag order on media has been lifted.
Finally reporters can sit in and reveal the details of what is going on.
This silence looks like tardiness otherwise.

this case is completely botched up now. Main accused has suicide(d), fast track has not been able to deliver judgement even after 4 months of case, case has lost momentum, gag order took wind out of sail, now 'my lord' can make video of proceedings and wait for some one to collect as journalists are not interested any more. CJI has repeatedly tried to defend minor/juvenile and perhaps will fight on his behalf on personal basis. what message have we given to the world??

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 27 Mar 2013 18:42

The way this case is going and statements of CJI I am sure time is not far before clamour for leniency and pardon would take center stage.
There is some hope in Suriyanelli case though. P J Kurien is summoned by Kerala HC. However it is the same HC which had thought otherwise. Mostly shoddy investigation, compliant prosecutors and threat to witnesses making them hostile etc works in favour of denial of justice but of late Public outcry results in Judiciary forced to reopen the case and hear it afresh. To wit, Jessica murder case, Priyadashini Matoo case, Tandoor Murder case and now this Suriyanelli case. Public needs to keep pressure up on the criminal judicial system which mostly works in favour of criminals.

Suriyanelli rape case: Kerala court issues notice to Kurien

IDUKKI (Kerala): In a setback for RajyaSabha deputy chairman P J Kurien, a court in Kerala on Wednesday ordered issue of notice to him on a criminal revision petition filed by the Suriyanelli rape victim.

The Thodupuzha sessions court judge, Abraham Mathew, admitted the plea and issued notices to Dharmarajan, a prime accused in the case, and two other accused Jamal and Unnikrishnan and the state government.

The petition has been posted to May 29. The court said Dharmarajan, who is presently lodged at Thiruvananthapuram Poojapura jail, should also be produced in court on May 29.

The petition was filed by the victim challenging the dismissal of her earlier complaint filed before the Peermedu judicial first class magistrate court seeking further investigation into the 'involvement' of Kurien in the case.

The victim's advocates also produced before the court the 'revelations' made by Dharmarajan to a television channel shortly before his arrest recently after he had jumped bail, that he had escorted Kurien to a guesthouse on Feb 19, 1996 where the girl was allegedly sexually exploited.

The victim had filed a complaint before the Peermedu court on March one this year against Kurien on the basis of Dharmarjan's revelations.

She had last month filed a complaint in a police station at Kottayam against Kurien, seeking that he be made an accused in the case. That complaint was not registered.

The case relates to the victim hailing from Suryanelli in Idukki district of Kerala being abducted in January 1996 and transported to various places and sexually exploited by over 40 persons. Though she had named Kurien as one among those who had exploited her, he was not made an accused in the case.

The Suriyanelli case once again came into the limelight after the apex court recently stayed the Kerala high court judgement of 2005 acquitting 35 accused in the case and asked them to surrender before the special court. The apex court had also stayed the high court judgement reducing the life term awarded to Dharmarajan.

Dharmarajan, who had jumped bail, was recently arrested from Karnataka and sent to jail to undergo the rest of his prison term. Kurien has maintained that he had been cleared of the charges by the apex court.

Following the Supreme court order, the victim had also sent a letter to her advocate seeking to explore the possibility of filing a review plea in the apex court seeking a fresh probe against Kurien.

The victim had filed a petition in the high court seeking to appoint two special prosecutors to conduct the case. The petition has been posted to April 2 for hearing the government's views.

She had submitted that the director general of prosecutions (DGP) had given her 'adverse' legal advice in her complaint against Kurien and that she would be 'greatly prejudiced' if he conducts her case.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Mar 2013 07:43

Lilo, Is it feasible to get from the twitter feed the kinds of crimes being reported per month?
Looks like gang rape has a high frequency. What kind of perversion leads to that?

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 29 Mar 2013 09:11

In gang rape or gang attack, the judges look at the first perpetuators of the crime and the sentencing
Is prorated down the list
Let's see what happens to the New Zealand cricketers case in gang assault in Wellington.

It's often difficult to pin down the first guy and of course they all must be high on drugs or alcohol or some kind of community based revenge attacks

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 01 Apr 2013 09:47

Sheila Dixit's police at their best.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/sunday-edit ... ation.html
Two shockers & a compensation

Read it in full. To much to post here.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 01 Apr 2013 10:15

ramana wrote:Lilo, Is it feasible to get from the twitter feed the kinds of crimes being reported per month?
Looks like gang rape has a high frequency. What kind of perversion leads to that?

Ramana Garu,

I think counting the crime type per month and displaying within the feed not is not possible in the yahoo pipes frame work itself.

However, from the beginning the feed items were written onto a google online spread sheet.
By using those spread sheets all kinds of analysis could be done .

Iam pasting links for the folders containing the spreadsheets below, the permissions are such that anyone using the below links can access them (read only and/or download/copy to your google drive accounts).

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id= ... sp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id= ... sp=sharing

Google spreadsheet has a limit for 2000 rows its seems so the first sheet beginning since January has the most data.

Also I realize now that the links in the tweets are using an adsupported URL shortening service (didnt notice till now because of my adskipper and adblock settings in chrome). I cant do much about this as these ads are being inserted by IFTTT. Anyways if you guys know of a non ad supported free service similar to IFTTT please let me know.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 01 Apr 2013 20:13

Delhi gang-rape accused seeks nutritious food, newspapers in jail
PTI | Apr 1, 2013, 07.29 PM IST

NEW DELHI: One of the four accused in the December 16 gang-rape case on Monday sought a direction from a special court here that he be provided nutritious food inside Tihar Jail as he has to prepare for tests for recruitment of clerks in Indian Air Force.

Vinay Sharma, the accused who along with others had allegedly gang-raped the 23-year-old girl in a moving bus here, moved the plea before additional sessions judge Yogesh Khanna and sought "proper food and newspapers" inside jail.

The court sent the application to the jail authorities for their comments.

Meanwhile, the judge also took strong note of the fact that defence lawyers come late to attend the proceedings and cautioned them that it was the last warning and that they could be replaced.

"I am observing that the defence counsel are coming as per their choice. They (defence counsel) should understand that they are dealing with a very serious case. They are taking the court for granted.

"I will write to Delhi legal services authority (DLSA) to provide counsel to accused if in future also, the counsel reach late. It cannot go on like this. Please make sure that from tomorrow, you (defence counsel) are on time," the judge said.

The proceedings on Monday got delayed by 45 minutes as the counsel for accused Pawan Gupta and Vinay came late.

Later, a lawyer for accused Mukesh and Akshay Singh on Monday refused to cross-examine the witnesses and said he start from tomorrow.

The lawyer also said he has been given time till April 4 to file an appeal in the Delhi high court against the order by which his application seeking documents in Hindi was rejected.

Accused Vinay, in his plea, said he be given milk, fruits and newspapers in jail as he has to prepare for his written examinations on April 7.

Earlier, he had moved the court seeking a tutor as well as reading materials to help him prepare for his Indian Air Force clerical recruitment test.

Subsequently, Tihar Jail authorities had provided him a tutor to guide him in his studies.

The court, which has till date recorded the statements of 63 prosecution witnesses, told the lawyers that from Tuesday it will not adjourn the matter until unless any one is ill.

Initially, five accused in the case were facing trial for allegedly gang-raping and assaulting a girl on the night of December 16, 2012.

With the proceedings against the main accused Ram Singh having abated after his death on March 11, the remaining four adults accused Mukesh, Vinay, Akshay and Pawan are facing trial in the case for rape and murder of the girl. The sixth accused in the case is a juvenile who is facing proceedings before the juvenile justice board here.

The girl died on December 29, 2012 in a Singapore hospital due to the grievous injuries she suffered when she was brutally assaulted by the six accused.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Apr 2013 20:37

Are those defence lawyers names being protected? If not what are there names for they seem to be unaware of the importance of the trial!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 04 Apr 2013 02:12

Bad Khabar for Hasth Zabbar
Electric Underwear in India Will Literally Shock Sexual Assaulters

To say that fear of rape and street harassment limits the mobility of women in India is a massive understatement — according to a recent Times of India survey, 96% of Indian women feel unsafe after sunset in Delhi, and it's estimated that two women are raped every minute. Foreign women are beginning to avoid the country: following the increased media scrutiny of the nation's pervasive sexual violence after the brutal gang rape and murder of a 23 year old student, the number of female tourists has fallen 35%.
In attempt to provide a palliative for this, three engineering students have designed anti-rape inner wear, which they've named Society Harnessing Equipment (aptly, SHE). On contact, SHE sends an emergency text to India's emergency number as well as to the girl's parents. It also sends 3,800 kV of electricity into the assailant's groping hand. (SHE has been described by some media outlets as "anti-rape panties," which not only sounds disgusting but is also inaccurate — the shock circuit and pressure sensor are located in the bra, as the students found that "in attempt of rape or road-side eve-teasing… women are attacked first on their bosom").The students' inspiration for creating the technology was a sense of abandonment and frustration with the slow legislative process. In their product's techpedia, they say, "[L]aw makers take ages to come up with just laws and even after that, women are unsafe." This is a depressingly accurate statement — the stricter law drafted after the horrific gang rape on December 16 has only just been put into effect, and, in the meantime, atrocious sexual assault has continued unmitigated and will likely continue largely unreported because of the social stigma.While it's wonderful that a team of brilliant young students (two of whom are women!) are finding ways to help women feel more secure in public and empowering them to defend themselves in a small way, it's obvious that SHE is not a truly viable solution to India's rape problem. It addresses the symptoms, not the root of the issue — by putting the onus of not being raped on women, it legitimizes the cultural assumptions responsible for victim-blaming. The name of the product itself is very revealing: by implying that patriarchal society is something that needs to be harnessed, rather than something that must be changed, Social Harnessing Equipment insinuates that male sexual aggression is a given rather than a malignant social construct."Lingerie to 'help' women fight sexual offences in India"

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 04 Apr 2013 05:11

Indian engineers invent 'anti-rape' underwear which gives attackers electric shocks and automatically texts police for help

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 04 Apr 2013 12:49

ramana wrote:Are those defence lawyers names being protected? If not what are there names for they seem to be unaware of the importance of the trial!

Their names are very much in Public domains.
Defence Lawyers rely upon all tricks of their trade to delay.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 05 Apr 2013 23:41

Illegal Jaipur shelter - Owner Pastor Jacob John sexually abuses Naga girls placed under his watch
Two of the 51 children rescued from two illegal shelter homes in Jaipur this month have accused its owner, pastor Jacob John, of sexually abusing them.

A 17-year-old Naga girl has alleged she was repeatedly raped while another girl rescued last Sunday from John's house alleged she was molested.

The girls revealed the alleged abuse during counseling sessions over the last one week. Their statements will be recorded in court Saturday after which police will file a fresh chargesheet against John. The pastor is in judicial custody and is accused of illegal detention and trafficking.

The 27 girls and 24 boys, mostly tribals from the Northeast, were rescued after raids by child rights and welfare bodies and Jaipur Police. They were found to be living in cramped rooms and rotting vegetables and grocery was recovered from the homes.

"Medical tests of all the children have been done and gynaecological tests have been done for two girls who have alleged rape and molestation," said Lata Singh, state coordinator of FXB India Suraksha, who informed the Child Rights Commission about the homes.

"One of the girls revealed during counseling that she was repeatedly raped from the age of 11. Some children have also recalled other teenaged girls who lived in the home earlier were forced to sleep with Jacob John at night. They are said to have gone back to their homes but since there are no records of who all lived in the homes, we cannot even trace them now," she said.

Biju George Joseph, Jaipur's acting police chief, said the pastor had claimed the children had been willingly sent to the homes by their parents and this would be investigated.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 11 Apr 2013 19:40

Delhi gangrape: Two accused deny being in the bus on 16 December night

Two of the accused in the Delhi gangrape case on Thursday claimed before a Special court that they were not in the bus in which a 23-year-old girl was brutally assaulted and raped by six persons on the night of 16 December.

Accused Vinay Sharma in his application before Additional Sessions Judge Yogesh Khanna claimed he, along with co-accused Pawan Gupta, were not present in the bus in which the alleged incident took place.{Are these real names or "Secularized" names?}

Vinay, who filed the application through his counsel AP Singh, said he has been falsely implicated in the case.

The lawyer told the judge that the application was moved after Vinay informed him that his mobile has a video-clip, which allegedly shows that the two went to a music function in south Delhi.

“Accused Vinay’s mobile contains a video recording and photos which can establish that he and Pawan were not in the bus on the night of incident,” he told the judge, while seeking permission to make a CD of the video.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 11 Apr 2013 20:09

^^seem real. These have been consistent from the beginning. Only the juvenile's name has been kept secret.

With the proceedings against the main accused Ram Singh having abated after his death on March 11, the remaining four adults accused Mukesh, Vinay, Akshay and Pawan are facing trial in the case for rape and murder of the girl. The sixth accused in the case is a juvenile who is facing proceedings before the juvenile justice board here.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 15 Apr 2013 12:12

And the Shame continues...

Another bus rape, 1 held

A 10-year-old girl was allegedly raped by a bus driver inside the parked chartered bus in Sultanpuri area in outer Delhi on Saturday night. The accused had reportedly lured the minor on the pretext of giving her sweets and then sexually assaulted her inside the bus. The accused, identified as Rakesh Kaushal (47) has been arrested and a case for rape has been registered against him.

The girl did not report the matter to her parents but on Sunday her mother asked her why she was crying. The victim then narrated the entire incident to her.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Apr 2013 22:48

If the Delhi gang rape case is being tried in fast track court and yet is taking this long it shows all that is wrong with the justice system in India.

Its the judges.
they have no idea of justice.

asgkhan · Post by **asgkhan** » 20 Apr 2013 07:16

Something is rotten in the hawa of Dilli...

WSJ

Rape in India Sparks Protests

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 17788.html

By PREETIKA RANA

NEW DELHI—A 5-year-old girl was raped and beaten for days before being rescued, police said on Friday, in a case that has once again sparked protests and cast serious doubt on India's efforts to improve its handling of sexual-assault cases in the wake of a brutal rape in December.

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said in a statement that he was "deeply disturbed" by the attack and called on India "to look deep within and work to root out the evil of rape."

Police say the girl had been raped and beaten. The medical superintendent of the hospital where the girl was first taken for examination said at a televised news conference Friday that the child had also been raped with objects and that some had been left inside her, causing severe internal injuries. A 200 ml glass bottle was found inserted inside the girl.

As news of the rape became public Friday, protesters gathered outside the hospital in east Delhi where the girl was being treated. Television footage showed a police officer hitting a female protester.

"He has been suspended from duty and an inquiry has been ordered against him. We have said time and again that such kind of behavior is not welcome in the Delhi Police. Strict action will be taken against anybody who behaves in this way," Mr. Bhagat said.

Police have been receiving training on how to respond to cases involving women and the importance of promptly registering rape complaints.

But Indian news media have reported that the police put pressure on the father not to speak publicly about the rape after the little girl was found.

The father told television reporters Friday that police had offered him 2,000 rupees (about $40) in "tea money," a popular euphemism for a bribe.

"They said keep whatever you want for spending on food and water," said the victim's father, his face blurred to comply with Indian law against making public details that may help identify a rape victim. "They said there is no need to say anything to the media because it will only bring a bad name to your family."

A man standing next to the father said that the police weren't helpful on Monday, when the family reported the child missing. He said on another visit Tuesday afternoon, a police official said he was going to court and wouldn't be able to look at their case details until the evening.

"I had gone there with her photo. They didn't take the photo and made me wait for about six hours," said the man, whose relationship to the family was unclear.

In his television interviews, the father said he also faced police obstruction when it came registering the crime as a case of rape after his daughter was found. He said they initially registered it as a kidnapping, and only after protests by a newly formed political party did they add rape.

The victim's family couldn't be reached directly.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Apr 2013 07:50

the girl was raped and kept locked up in the same house where the family lived and the police would not come and search the absconding tenants flat by breaking the lock.

police recruitment itself needs reform, a strong battery of psy tests is needed to let in only people who have a strong sense of empathy.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Apr 2013 08:33

The two biggest problems facing Delhi Polce are gang rape prosecution and Ind Muh terrorism.
And DP as arm of IB is the responsible agency that needs to work on this.

For starters the DP should suspend all the police invovled in this new rape case.

And MMS should start being accountable for the people who keep him in office. Mere paltitutdes dont give shoba to his stature or office. Time to use the powers vested in that office atleast to do some good before he fades away.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 20 Apr 2013 11:29

Despite massive protests on almost every incident of rape, cases are happening with sickening regularity. DP needs to be held accountable. But we also need to flush out people of the types of Katju who always bat fro criminals and not for victims. Many in DP can only show force to weak people , women and children.

When parents reported the missing child case, had they taken prompt action severity of the crime could have been minimised.They have terribly failed in their duties to this country and its people who provide them wages which they never actually earn. Time to call such people and give them compulsory retirement and punish those who are found criminally negligent.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 21 Apr 2013 03:38

What is concerning me is does these protests yielding any results? This is similar to anna hazare and others satyagraha and nothing happens later on?

The democracy process in our setup is the biggest loop hole.. We have borrowed setups, and never built it for ourselves.. we have to look at local criminals, and ensure, we are dealing with them appropriately. It is not enough to actions, after the event, and make heroes, but respect and hail heroes who are struggling to prevent bad things happening.. and such strategists are trashed by the society.

From police to political system, from infrastructure to policies, from freedom to legal institutions, we have to take a relook, and check it out if we have set goals or requirements. if we have set goals, then convert them to requirements (remember, a goal can't be verified).

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 21 Apr 2013 04:02

^^^^
Valid point-
politicans respond when they get defetaed in the elections or their power citadels are shaken.

here the citadel is Delhi corridors of power.
let the protest take a turn to
a) storm the corridors
b) active anti administration action
c) public sentiment bent on defeating the power of politicians in elections.(only real power vested with people)
d) politicans are held to ransom or their family to force them to work.
e) weeding out the supporters of the ruling politicians who counter the work of the good public.

I am not advocating any violence but nothing short of the above in various forms will force them to be held accountable.

politicians of today have lost the "moral compass" to work for the people.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Apr 2013 06:41

Some of the media crooks need to be straightened out with chappals and shoes...and forcibly made to retire from public life...there is no other way.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 21 Apr 2013 07:50

Something is very wrong with Delhi. They should test water and air quality to check if the whole capital region became jambies.

Eenadu news paper reports that in sector-2 a guy raped his own NRI sister, pushed some poison in her mouth and threw her onto the streets. Later she got conscious and reached out to police.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 21 Apr 2013 10:57

^^ The warped sense of entitlement in the Delhi powerbroking elites(from Chaprasi to Babu to Politico to Chatterati to Musclemen (many of these from Western UP,Undivided Punjab and assorted neophytes from rest of India) has reached a scale of epidemic proportions in Delhi.

The most common retort one will hear in a fight (be it a street fight or a marriage fight) in Delhi is "Teri Aukaad me Reh" #Fact.

Sometimes i pray someone shifts our capital to Jabalpur or someplace notDelhi.

archan · Post by **archan** » 21 Apr 2013 11:43

asgkhan wrote:Something is rotten in the hawa of Dilli...

Unfortunately it is not just Delhi. Media attention skews perceptions. This is happening in other parts of the country as well, has been happening since ages. Just because media does not make senti statements 24x7 and plays filmy songs on them does not mean the victims don't suffer as much. Delhi is bad, no doubt, but it's not isolated.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 21 Apr 2013 20:41

Lilo wrote:^^ The warped sense of entitlement in the Delhi powerbroking elites(from Chaprasi to Babu to Politico to Chatterati to Musclemen (many of these from Western UP,Undivided Punjab and assorted neophytes from rest of India) has reached a scale of epidemic proportions in Delhi.

The most common retort one will hear in a fight (be it a street fight or a marriage fight) in Delhi is "Teri Aukaad me Reh" #Fact.

Sometimes i pray someone shifts our capital to Jabalpur or someplace notDelhi.

Are you implying that such things do not happen elsewhere ?
A very large portion of Delhi population is from badlands of Bihar, UP, Punjab, Haryana and Rajasthan. A majority of rapes and violent crimes in recent memory were committed by residents of above mentioned states. Why don't we run a cleansing operation in the whole region ? Castrate or at least sterilize the suspect group ?

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 21 Apr 2013 22:25

jamwal wrote: Are you implying that such things do not happen elsewhere ?
....

A big percentage of violent sexual crime is top driven in Delhi - either directly or indirectly (i.e under direct political patronage extended to the violence or indirectly as political violence expressed at the top getting re-expressed/imitated on the bottom or a combination of both).

Its not just the fault of the general doers (aka the poor economic migrants whom you mentioned - and who get reported in the news) , it is the mindset of the elite (the power brokering class, which i referred) and their depredations (which dont get reported in the news) which is driving it.

Mumbai , Hyderabad , Bangalore also have a great mass of migrant workers with their wives left behind in their native places. But because the political elites there are still organically rooted (to their extended community in the hinterlands) or because their indolence has not yet reached the levels seen in Delhi due to their involvement in such kinds of business and professional pursuits or just simply because they have not yet reached the critical mass as they have in Delhi (ex:Hyderabad is going to get there) - the top driven kind is less of a problem in these places. So through the expected means (prostitution, Eraz-ex etc) the aam junta is being shielded relatively well in these places compared to Delhi.

Even though Delhi too has prostitution etc, for the unique reasons i mentioned in the beginning its now out of control (i.e epidemic proportions compared to other metros).

That is my reading from my interactions as an outsider to Delhi. TIFWIW

jamwal wrote:

These figures have to be scaled perCapita

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 22 Apr 2013 01:43

^^^^
whatever the numbers be of rapes and crimes against women and children. this is sickening.

It is often said crimes thrive when there is weakening law and order.

Again and again I am reminded of broken windows theory which I posted in the earlier version of this thread here.
Justice delayed is justice denied.
without a deterrent crimes will never be put in place. there should be a hefty price placed for each and every crime one commits.

reminds me of a scene in tamil movie "samy" with Vikram as a police officer berating a constable for taking a bribe to let off a driver without a licence.
he scolds him for taking less bribe than the driving licence costs and efforts. If he had taken more than a few times this cost the person would have taken the driving licence as it is easier than giving bribes.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Apr 2013 20:32

DP chief wont quit

Earlier, asked if he would quit, Kumar shot back: "For any misreporting that you do, does your editor resign?

"If you do wrong reporting, does your editor resign? This is my counter question."

The Press Council can get the editor to resign but not this top bully.
The case here is failure of the DP to register the case and offering reverse hush up money.
And those people are reporting to him. What has he done?

Off course he won't quit. Remember he is a civil servant working for the President. And unitl he gets kicked out he will clingon. And as long as INC is the party in power thru its allies there wont be a recommnedation to kick him out for failure of law and order. The current situation os due to the DP not willing oregister the gang rape case and offering revers bribe to hush up the case to the poo parents.
That is in his authority. What has he done to address the criminal negligence of his underlings/minions? Nothing. He sets the tone of his force. And its bad.

And he knows nothing about law and order for he is the top Bully in Delhi Bullice.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Apr 2013 20:35

There was black and white Bollywood movie called "Dilli Ka thug!" Looks like under INC govt in Delhi, the thugs are in Delhi Bullice!

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 22 Apr 2013 22:01

Gerard wrote:Indian engineers invent 'anti-rape' underwear which gives attackers electric shocks and automatically texts police for help

wah re wah instead of curing the disease we now have topical balm to tide over pain of rape,

good way to make money targeting below the chastity belt

disha · Post by **disha** » 22 Apr 2013 22:23

jamwal wrote: Are you implying that such things do not happen elsewhere ?

Jamwalji - pls care to scale per capita? Also Delhi being the capital has lot of resources going in from other states.

On a different note, I brotest the above numbers. Gujarat is surrounded by Mah, Raj and MP (and all of them figure) except Guj. Hence the numbers are wrong.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Apr 2013 22:25

....2nd man arrested in rape of 5-year-old Indian girl

NEW DELHI (AP) — A second suspect was arrested Monday in the rape of a 5-year-old girl who New Delhi police say was left for dead in a locked room, a case that has brought a new wave of protests against how Indian authorities handle sex crimes.Pradeep Kumar, a 19-year-old garment factory worker, was arrested Monday in the eastern state of Bihar, about 1,000 kilometers (620 miles) from New Delhi, and was being brought to the capital, police said.Police said questioning of the first man arrested in the case, Manoj Kumar, led them to the second suspect. Manoj Kumar, 24, was arrested Saturday in Bihar and flown back to New Delhi. Kumar is a common last name in India and the two men are not related.The men are accused of abducting, raping and attempting to murder the 5-year-old, who went missing April 15 and was found two days later by neighbors who heard her crying in a locked room in the same New Delhi building where she lives with her family. The girl was alone when she was found, having been left for dead by her attackers, police say.The girl was in critical condition when she was transferred Thursday from a local hospital to the largest government-run hospital in the country. D.K. Sharma, medical superintendent of the hospital in New Delhi where the girl was being treated, said Monday that she was responding well and that her condition had stabilized

http://news.yahoo.com/2nd-man-arrested- ... 19487.html

disha · Post by **disha** » 22 Apr 2013 22:26

Lilo wrote:^^ The warped sense of entitlement in the Delhi powerbroking elites(from Chaprasi to Babu to Politico to Chatterati to Musclemen (many of these from Western UP,Undivided Punjab and assorted neophytes from rest of India) has reached a scale of epidemic proportions in Delhi.

+1 Liloji. Everybody incl. a raju or katju will pull in "connections" from Chapprasi to Maino.

At the same time, Delhi Police should be made autonomous and criminal cases in Delhi should be held somewhere else - that hopefully makes less prone to "influence".

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 27 Apr 2013 23:19

MP Cong leader sent to 10 yrs in jail for rape

A Jabalpur court Thursday imprisoned a Congress leader for 10 years for raping a minor girl in Sihora, Madhya Pradesh, early this year. Besides, a fine of Rs 17,000 was also slapped on him.

Mohammed Gaus Azad, 63, a municipal councillor for two decades, was chargesheeted on January 15, two days after he raped the girl in her house. Azad knew her parents and visited them often. The girl’s parents had gone away and left her with her younger brother when Azad came and raped her on January 13.

Additional government pleader Pramod Pande, who appeared for prosecution for much of the trial, told The Indian Express that the victim’s deposition and that of her mother proved crucial to the conviction of Azad.

Azad had argued he was framed by the girl’s mother because he did not give her the money she wanted.

However, the police admitted that there was a two-hour delay in filing the FIR because Azad’s wife had pleaded with girl’s family to not report the incident to the police.

The point to note here is
1) the attacker is a political person
2) crime occurred on Jan 13
3) convicted in less than 4 months.( that too being a political person).

fast track of cases can be done here, why this dragging of cases in other rapes .
even in Delhi case not much progress despite so much public outcry.