Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 30 Mar 2013 17:25

I was thinking. BJP is right now not doing good. It would be a good idea for them, to project NaMo as their PM face, out in the open. Polarize the hell out of the people of India, and thereby get a strong majority.
Polarization on Hindu/non-Hindu matters will force , what ,85% Hindu majority, to think about their Hinduism and ...theoretically...vote Hindu.

So...extremism wins it for the BJP. Something like the Rath Yatras of yore.
Like GW Bush in 2004. Like BJP in UP in the 1990s

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 30 Mar 2013 17:30

mahadevbhu wrote:I was thinking. BJP is right now not doing good. It would be a good idea for them, to project NaMo as their PM face, out in the open. Polarize the hell out of the people of India, and thereby get a strong majority.
Polarization on Hindu/non-Hindu matters will force , what ,85% Hindu majority, to think about their Hinduism and ...theoretically...vote Hindu.

So...extremism wins it for the BJP. Something like the Rath Yatras of yore.
Like GW Bush in 2004. Like BJP in UP in the 1990s

Are people really that stupid ? Because if Modi contests from Lucknow... wont that be a HUGE indication that Modi == PM candidate ?

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 30 Mar 2013 17:34

Muppalla wrote:Now folks based on the above folklore if Sonia is given an opportunity in 1994-95 between a King Cobra crawling in her bedroom Vs PVNR, who should be kill first?

I am rooting for tag team of King Cobra and Niyogi-6000 in this case.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 30 Mar 2013 17:56

mahadevbhu wrote:I was thinking. BJP is right now not doing good. It would be a good idea for them, to project NaMo as their PM face, out in the open. Polarize the hell out of the people of India, and thereby get a strong majority.
Polarization on Hindu/non-Hindu matters will force , what ,85% Hindu majority, to think about their Hinduism and ...theoretically...vote Hindu.

So...extremism wins it for the BJP. Something like the Rath Yatras of yore.
Like GW Bush in 2004. Like BJP in UP in the 1990s

How is rath yatra extreme? How is a temple at Ram-janmabhoomee extreme?
That's where secularism brought Indians to - perhaps: anti-Hinduism more likely.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 30 Mar 2013 18:43

devesh wrote:PVNR is a "brahmin". he belongs to the "Karanam" caste, which is "brahmin" but historically involved in accounting/finance, agriculture/land-owning professions.

the Karanams are one of the branches of brahmins in Andhra region. Smarthas are most widespread.

OT perhaps, but this is 100% true. One reason why AP brahms curse TDP a lot - NTR in one stroke did away with the karanam system. There are folks in moi family who still remember that and will never vote TDP.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 30 Mar 2013 18:46

One possibility is there in UP. INC may dupe Maya into a pre-poll alliance. In such a situation, it will be dynasty votes+Dalits+Muslims which is a killer combination. Maya can become first Dalit PM of India but she will be like MMS under new style UPA government. This aspect could be the reason for the open fissures between SP and INC.

If the above line true then the insecurities of SP with respect to Muslims is genuine. In that aspect they are looking for soft BJP minus Modi approach. One has to remember that during UPA-1, BJP offered Mulayam PM post. He got jitters of political oblivion on the line of Charan Singh and Chandrasekhar after the PM ship.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 30 Mar 2013 18:56

Source: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... um=twitter

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 30 Mar 2013 18:58

Hari Seldon wrote:
devesh wrote:PVNR is a "brahmin". he belongs to the "Karanam" caste, which is "brahmin" but historically involved in accounting/finance, agriculture/land-owning professions.

the Karanams are one of the branches of brahmins in Andhra region. Smarthas are most widespread.
OT perhaps, but this is 100% true. One reason why AP brahms curse TDP a lot - NTR in one stroke did away with the karanam system. There are folks in moi family who still remember that and will never vote TDP.

1000% true. NTR did the following anti-Brahmin things.
(1) He surveyed the Government employees and he found most of the non-Gazetted officers in 1984 consist of substantial Brahmins. He in one stroke reduced the retirement age to 55 to get rid of all of them. After three years he reverted in back to 58.
(2) Introduced performance based promotions. This looks very catchy and people can compare to private sector and revolutionary. This is just a ploy to bring those to top positions who are his favorites.
(3) He abolished Karanams. This has two reasons. (1) anti-brahminism (2) the government lands that are either in government hands or those given to SCs are to be grabbed and transferred to several others who are the base of TDP. Karanams at village levels were the hurdles.

This is the reason why Krishna/Guntur district Kammas does not like CBN. His recent statement of corpus fund to Brahmins will not go well in these districts' educated kammas.

For the above reasons, come what may Brahmins actually will vote to either Jagan or INC but definitely not to TDP. The bridge is very difficult to reconstruct.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 30 Mar 2013 18:59

Muppalla wrote:One possibility is there in UP. INC may dupe Maya into a pre-poll alliance. In such a situation, it will be dynasty votes+Dalits+Muslims which is a killer combination. Maya can become first Dalit PM of India but she will be like MMS under new style UPA government. This aspect could be the reason for the open fissures between SP and INC.

If the above line true then the insecurities of SP with respect to Muslims is genuine. In that aspect they are looking for soft BJP minus Modi approach. One has to remember that during UPA-1, BJP offered Mulayam PM post. He got jitters of political oblivion on the line of Charan Singh and Chandrasekhar after the PM ship.

But will Cong allow Maya to become Pan-India leader ? Wont that hurt them in long run ?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 30 Mar 2013 19:03

anmol wrote:
Muppalla wrote:One possibility is there in UP. INC may dupe Maya into a pre-poll alliance. In such a situation, it will be dynasty votes+Dalits+Muslims which is a killer combination. Maya can become first Dalit PM of India but she will be like MMS under new style UPA government. This aspect could be the reason for the open fissures between SP and INC.

If the above line true then the insecurities of SP with respect to Muslims is genuine. In that aspect they are looking for soft BJP minus Modi approach. One has to remember that during UPA-1, BJP offered Mulayam PM post. He got jitters of political oblivion on the line of Charan Singh and Chandrasekhar after the PM ship.
But will Cong allow Maya to become Pan-India leader ? Wont that hurt them in long run ?

As long as she can do a MMS, they will allow her to do 2G type stuff and then cook her goose. I don't think she has any abilities to become pan India leader. In spite of her best efforts, she could not cross UP even in the Hindi speaking areas. Her best chance is to maximize seats in UP and go with a coalition to become PM. Congress party with 120 seats desperately need to be in power to escape from jails and exiles. UPA with Maya as PM replacing MMS is the best continuity for dynasty.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 30 Mar 2013 19:33

Muppalla wrote:Thanks Anmol ji again.

PVNR belongs to most dominant( not population wise) Brahmin sect of Andhras. He belongs to a sect called Aaruvela Niyogi (Niyogi-6000). The same sect is also called as Golukonda Vyaparulu in Telangana region. There is a huge history to this sect and the history is mixed with both real and folklore. In fact, when Ashok Gottipatti wrote all that hatred about Brahmins, he actually meant this particular sect. Rest of the sects of Brahmins are traditionally with religious occupations and non-political types.

Karanam means village head as in Patel-patwaari system. This karanam/patwari system has started probably even before western civilization started and continued until NTR became CM of AP. He abolished these with a virulent anti-brahminism being the NTR's personality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niyogi
(All fancy theory with 50-50 mixup. Nothing to do with Bhumihaars) Take it with a Tonne of salt. A high level article about them that is nearly true is here
http://www.vedah.net/manasanskriti/Brah ... ra_Pradesh

There is folklore saying - If there is a king cobra, Velanati Vaidheeki Brahmin and a Niyogi-6000 Brahmin what the order of killing should be to survive? First kill the Niyogi-6000 then Velanati Vidheeki and lastly King cobra

Now folks based on the above folklore if Sonia is given an opportunity in 1994-95 between a King Cobra crawling in her bedroom Vs PVNR, who should be kill first?

Muppalagaru,

Per MBS Prasad's Nizam Kathalu the 6000-Niyogis came when the Delhi sultanate employed 6000 Brahmins into this Patel-Patwari system in one go to manage tax collections. Thus came 6000-Niyogulu meaning 6000-employed (Niyogi = Niyamimpabadina = employed or made responsible for or given authority for). This happened circa 1500s.

They became a separate group of Brahmins for two reasons. First they wielded good authority (like today's IAS) and secondly they were disliked by some Brahmins for their allegiance to Muslim rulers.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 30 Mar 2013 19:44

^YamaR, e're going reeeally OT Here, but moi fmly folklore (or 'narrative' if you prefer) has it that the 6000-Niyogi system was started not by 'em evil moogulls but by none other than Sri Krishna Deva Raya himself. To say that the Niyogis were formed to serve the Mughals is a Romila Thapar-esque perversion of historical fact.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 30 Mar 2013 19:46

^ Muppalla garu is bang on target w.r.t. apprehensions about MayaWatti. Her votebase is perfectly loyal, perfectly fungible and perfectly transferable. Only. Once she makes PM, if the INC is foolish enough to think she can be rubber-stampo-ed and remote-controlled like any ordinary dynasty chaprasi....boy are we in for interesting times...

member_23658 · Post by **member_23658** » 30 Mar 2013 19:50

Gadkari is not Chitpawan (kokanastha). Gadkari is Deshastha brahmin. So was Hedgewar the RSS founder by the way.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 30 Mar 2013 20:29

the discussion of caste groupings not voting to particular party brings me back to what I've been thinking of over the last several months.

rivalries and suspicions based in past actions are hard to erase. for India, this is going to be a major hurdle. the future generations will have to solve this problem, or there won't be a chance for a united Bharatiya front. the nay-sayers, psecs, and assorted haters of Hindu Samaikhyata will ultimately win the war if future generations can't figure out how to move past the suspicions and rivalries.

across these different castes and groups, we need to find some common thread, possibly invent or develop a common "worship/prayer/aradhana" and bring them together. a unifying paradigm in religious matters might perhaps go a long way in creating a shared platform for understanding and mutually beneficial politics.

all OT for this thread.

maybe we can take it to the OT dhaga if people are interested. I've been thinking about it a lot.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 30 Mar 2013 20:42

RamaY wrote:
Muppalla wrote:Thanks Anmol ji again.

PVNR belongs to most dominant( not population wise) Brahmin sect of Andhras. He belongs to a sect called Aaruvela Niyogi (Niyogi-6000). The same sect is also called as Golukonda Vyaparulu in Telangana region. There is a huge history to this sect and the history is mixed with both real and folklore. In fact, when Ashok Gottipatti wrote all that hatred about Brahmins, he actually meant this particular sect. Rest of the sects of Brahmins are traditionally with religious occupations and non-political types.

Karanam means village head as in Patel-patwaari system. This karanam/patwari system has started probably even before western civilization started and continued until NTR became CM of AP. He abolished these with a virulent anti-brahminism being the NTR's personality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niyogi
(All fancy theory with 50-50 mixup. Nothing to do with Bhumihaars) Take it with a Tonne of salt. A high level article about them that is nearly true is here
http://www.vedah.net/manasanskriti/Brah ... ra_Pradesh

There is folklore saying - If there is a king cobra, Velanati Vaidheeki Brahmin and a Niyogi-6000 Brahmin what the order of killing should be to survive? First kill the Niyogi-6000 then Velanati Vidheeki and lastly King cobra

Now folks based on the above folklore if Sonia is given an opportunity in 1994-95 between a King Cobra crawling in her bedroom Vs PVNR, who should be kill first?
Muppalagaru,

Per MBS Prasad's Nizam Kathalu the 6000-Niyogis came when the Delhi sultanate employed 6000 Brahmins into this Patel-Patwari system in one go to manage tax collections. Thus came 6000-Niyogulu meaning 6000-employed (Niyogi = Niyamimpabadina = employed or made responsible for or given authority for). This happened circa 1500s.

They became a separate group of Brahmins for two reasons. First they wielded good authority (like today's IAS) and secondly they were disliked by some Brahmins for their allegiance to Muslim rulers.

Pretty similiar to the origins of Srivastava(Kayasthas) caste in north. They used to be Khstriyas, committed the crime of cooperating with Muslims and got almost untouchable status. Father of Amitabh Bacchan, Harbans rai Bacchan wrote how once they were treated almost like untouchables.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 30 Mar 2013 20:59

HS garu,

My bad. Couldn't control the urge to appear smart

Thanks for the info. Will do more reading.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 30 Mar 2013 22:10

RamaY wrote:HS garu,

My bad. Couldn't control the urge to appear smart

Thanks for the info. Will do more reading.

As HS alluded, 6000 Niyogis are not appointed by Nizam. They have been historical caste before Muslim rule.

Similar story with 300 Kapus (Munnuru Kapu). Kakatiyas brought 300 Kapus from Tanjavur kingdom to proect against Muslims. Munnur Kapu is one of dominant castes in Telangana today.

Both castes were Karnams (Niyogis) and Patels (Kapus) in Nizam rule later.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 30 Mar 2013 23:23

devesh wrote:all OT for this thread.

maybe we can take it to the OT dhaga if people are interested. I've been thinking about it a lot.

devesh ji,

I've taken this topic to the "The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition" Thread, if it is okay with you.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 31 Mar 2013 00:05

Sushupti wrote: Pretty similiar to the origins of Srivastava(Kayasthas) caste in north. They used to be Khstriyas, committed the crime of cooperating with Muslims and got almost untouchable status. Father of Amitabh Bacchan, Harbans rai Bacchan wrote how once they were treated almost like untouchables.

OT
Can't say about UP, Bihar, Punjab kayasths but Bengal kayasths closely cooperated with both British and Muslim rulers because their caste profession was administration. So they had to work closely with the rulers. They learnt Persian and English. Although, a certain percentage in the North did convert to Islam (Kayamkhanis) - in Bengal it is not clear if there was mass conversions. Also kayasths in Bengal were at the forefront of the violent struggle against British rule. There are some theories that Brahmins and Kshatriyas who took to administration became kayasths, others that after kshatriyas lost power they became administrators to the new rulers and still others that kayasths were formed from Brahmin father - Shudra mothers. Then there is the Chitragupta mythology which states that the fifth varna i.e. kayasths was created by Brahma.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 31 Mar 2013 00:30

RamaY wrote:
SwamyG wrote:Who would have thought with so many INC scams BJP supporters are the ones with sleepless nights. Only Pakistan and INC bat so well even when driven to back foot all. One needs to give them that much credit.

BJP - Bumbling Jokers Party.
This is not right. BJP is BJP.

It is the educated Indians that are Dhimmis and anti-nationals who cannot give BJP the confidence it needs to fight and defeat INC; because they always split hairs, do not do their little bit to influence people around them and so on.

BJP is doing all it can, with all its faults. We cannot take every media farticle and interview as the truth.

Even the gentleman who gave that interview should be asked few simple questions. What was the reason for his loyalty to LKA camp? Is LKA more important than BJP? Does he believe in NM to deliver good governance to Indians and so on.

+1!! I know this post is 2 days old but its exactly what I was thinking! Brilliant

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 31 Mar 2013 02:20

The way I see it is that apart from NaMo, BJP has no other credible candidate. Sure the sickularists will blame him for the riots and blame the existence of hell on him. But the fact remains that without projecting him, BJP is done for in 2014. The worst part is that they are the lesser of the 2 evils and at least provide some sort of governance that doesn't purely involve moving funds to Swiss bank accounts. What BJP should do is project NaMo and push it through till the elections next year. By continuing to drag things, all BJP is doing is giving INC more votes and digging their own grave. If they lose after projecting NaMo, then at least they did everything they could and went out with a bang, rather than the insecure and fickle minded old men that they are.

disha · Post by **disha** » 31 Mar 2013 02:32

Muppalla wrote: This is the reason why Krishna/Guntur district Kammas does not like CBN. His recent statement of corpus fund to Brahmins will not go well in these districts' educated kammas.

For the above reasons, come what may Brahmins actually will vote to either Jagan or INC but definitely not to TDP. The bridge is very difficult to reconstruct.

Funny, they are behaving like greek surpanakhas. Cut your own nose to spite the enemy. So EJ lobby is okay, but CBN is not because of crimes committed by NTR. Corrupt CongiS is okay but TDP is not.

I think in this game of shadows and mirrors, it is something different. They may be more confident of lining their beds irrespective of EJ/CongI and less with TDP and hence "support for CongI/Jagan because NTR did something wrong to my grand uncle ..."

disha · Post by **disha** » 31 Mar 2013 02:35

Hari Seldon wrote:OT perhaps, but this is 100% true. One reason why AP brahms curse TDP a lot - NTR in one stroke did away with the karanam system. There are folks in moi family who still remember that and will never vote TDP.

Maybe they can do time travel and live in the past. The reality has changed under them. If they are so spiteful, that they can watch their own house in fire in the hope that the neighbours house will also catch fire, then nobody can save them. And how is that different from baki behaviour?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 31 Mar 2013 04:00

State of 4 states (source: yesterday's eenadu news paper)

In 2007 GoI announced four mega projects with a plan to complete them by 2012

1. Madhya Pradesh Sanan project 3960MW- BJP govt. Won by Reliance. Unit (KWH) price set at Rs 1.196. Status - 1st phase completed this month March 2013 and Entire project is expected to be completed by 2014.

2. Jharkhand project 3960MW- INC came to power in 2012. Won by Reliance. Unit price Rs 1.77. Delays in starting the project.

3. Andhra Pradesh project 3960MW - INC govt. Won by Reliance. unit price Rs 2.33. Project stopped a year ago for unknown reasons.

4. Gujarat Mundra project 4000MW - BJP govt. Won by TATA. Unit price Rs 2.26. Phase 1 completed ahead of schedule in March 2012.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 31 Mar 2013 06:41

Congress yatra promises ‘developed Rajasthan’

http://m.timesofindia.com/city/jaipur/C ... 299597.cms

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 31 Mar 2013 07:24

disha wrote: Maybe they can do time travel and live in the past. The reality has changed under them. If they are so spiteful, that they can watch their own house in fire in the hope that the neighbours house will also catch fire, then nobody can save them. And how is that different from baki behaviour?

Chillax, I can see why it is indeed soooo easy to label everyone else an idiot (ask Katju) coz their thinking doesn't align with thine own.

On the ground, things are changing. There have all along been quiet support for TDP esp after the YSR era mis-dawned among the Brahm community. All that was perhaps needed was a conciliatory gesture from the TDP side for the support to go overt and be talked about with some respectability. That may have come by when CBN announced a slew of measures exclusively to woo the brahm community. ..

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 31 Mar 2013 09:51

Guys there was once an article which MMS wrote just before the 1991 reforms, where he was singing a different song all together.
If someone has a reference to that, it would be great.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 31 Mar 2013 11:18

VikramS wrote:Guys there was once an article which MMS wrote just before the 1991 reforms, where he was singing a different song all together.
If someone has a reference to that, it would be great.

Not sure , but are you referring to this on Page 4 of Yojana Nov 1991

http://yojana.gov.in/cms/%28S%2845zpmai ... o20&21.pdf

He was a regular contributor to Yojana and you can find something of your interest there.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 31 Mar 2013 12:06

^^^

The article is un reachable.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 31 Mar 2013 12:29

chaanakya wrote:
VikramS wrote:Guys there was once an article which MMS wrote just before the 1991 reforms, where he was singing a different song all together.
If someone has a reference to that, it would be great.

Not sure , but are you referring to this on Page 4 of Yojana Nov 1991

http://yojana.gov.in/cms/%28S%2845zpmai ... o20&21.pdf

He was a regular contributor to Yojana and you can find something of your interest there.

LINK

is the correct URL.

However here he is talking about "Economic Reforms: No Substitute for Hard Work".

I think the article I was referring to was basically singing Hosannas to socialist policy and it was about 6-12 months prior to the reforms of PVNR.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 31 Mar 2013 14:41

Sushupti wrote:Congress yatra promises ‘developed Rajasthan’

http://m.timesofindia.com/city/jaipur/C ... 299597.cms

Is that like Delhi - the world class city?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 01 Apr 2013 07:40

RamaY wrote: Muppalagaru,

Per MBS Prasad's Nizam Kathalu the 6000-Niyogis came when the Delhi sultanate employed 6000 Brahmins into this Patel-Patwari system in one go to manage tax collections. Thus came 6000-Niyogulu meaning 6000-employed (Niyogi = Niyamimpabadina = employed or made responsible for or given authority for). This happened circa 1500s.

They became a separate group of Brahmins for two reasons. First they wielded good authority (like today's IAS) and secondly they were disliked by some Brahmins for their allegiance to Muslim rulers.

This cannot be true. They do not have any thing to do with allegiance to Muslim rulers. They are more on the other variety and prominent historical personalities are Bammera Pothana, Thimmarusu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmarusu), even the famous Tenali Rama.

Several such folklore stories (like the above) are there.

The one book I read (a very long time back in a library) is that during Raja Raja Chola Kingdom (I don't know which Chola) the king has one Brahmin (elder brother) appointed as Minister and the another Brahmin(younger brother) as raja purohit (King's personal priest). The younger one teased the elder one saying that the great King himself falls on my feet where as you being Minister is after the king anyway. The ego-hurt elder one day asks the King to give him the Raja mudrika (kings signature pad) for one day with trust. Using the Raja Mudrika he created the patel/patwari(karanam) system and in 6000 villages he appointed his side of the relatives (multiples wives' male relatives, sons, grandsons etc). The split of Andhra Brahmins was finalized. Since then they practices mostly non-Vedic studies and occupationally they did not do Vedic stuff. While younger brother's relatives focused on Vedic operations and his side clan became priests across various temples. Elder brother's clan became 6000-Niyogis and younger brother's clan became Vaidikhees (born from word Veda).

Niyogi sub caste and patel/patwari system's origination is before the Isalmic/western civilization. First of all they are not different from rest of Brahmins. Simply put in the varna system(occupation based) they not only did Vedic studies but also the modern subjects like science, administration etc. Whereas the other sects just did vedic studies and part of the bhakti movements. In spite of their Vedic education, Niyogis decided not to perform Vedic rites like performing Temple priesthood, performing marriages etc. However, the egoistic in later centuries said we will do these but only to fellow Niyogis but no on else. Among all the Brahmins they were the wealthiest with multi acre lands and tonnes of gold (not any more).

This particular type of Brahmins are there across India and nothing to do with just AP. Very simply put these are those who helped the kingdoms to run the administration and also thrive on innovation (astronomy and other studies) while keeping the cultural aspect of the sanathana dharma part of the system. At the top level strategists and at the low level clerks.

The bottom line is Niyogi means in Telugu appointed. They are the ones who are the babudom of kingdoms and has the knowledge of the current affairs. They continued in the enslaved empires too.

As they are at the king-maker and decision making roles, they do get the slack and hatred for some real and a lot unreal reasons. It should just be read as part and parcel of human society.

[anyway this is totally OT for this thread]

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Apr 2013 10:00

Muppalla garu is correct. One more thing PVNR is 6000 Niyogi. They are not called as Golkonda Vyaparulu. The king was said to be Kulothuga Chola or some people say it as Raja Raja Narendra who was ruling from Raja Mahendravaram (todays Rajamandri) in about 1100 hundered years back. It is the same king how started the systamatic Telugu gramer and trenslation efforts of Mahabhrathan by Nannayya.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 01 Apr 2013 13:47

This is for Muppalla-ji.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bjp-g ... a/1096032/

Former BJP ideologue K N Govindacharya has alleged that the present BJP government in Madhya Pradesh is more corrupt than the previous Congress government led by Digvijay Singh.

"The BJP government presently in power in Madhya Pradesh is more corrupt that the earlier Congress government," Govindacharya told reporters here last evening.

Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan had failed in controlling his ministers, he alleged.

During the BJP government, industrialists and bureaucrats were happy while the farmers suffered, he alleged.

With friends like these, you do really do not need enemies.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 01 Apr 2013 14:08

Sanku wrote:This is for Muppalla-ji.

With friends like these, you do really do not need enemies.

+He said Modi is NOT worthy of becoming PM, but Digvijay is

.

SankuJi MupallaJi... does that praise have anything to do with Digivijay's following statement:-
http://english.manoramaonline.com/cgi-b ... d=11565537

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 01 Apr 2013 14:15

anmol wrote: SankuJi MupallaJi... does that praise have anything to do with Digivijay's following statement:-
http://english.manoramaonline.com/cgi-b ... d=11565537

Naah, he has just lost it. From being a upright and ideological person, he is now just a mal-content, angry that BJP not being pure to his ideology and his walking away from it seems to have little impact on its fortunes.

and no one gave a damn that he went away.

These people have moved from having an ideology since that ideology is guiding path towards the greater good, to having a ideology as a article of faith. Belief, blind, total, and hate for some one whom they think does not align 100%, even 99% is a failure, no different from others. Lot of name calling also associated with these folks now.

You can see shades of this in some posters here as well.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 01 Apr 2013 14:26

In other news, it appears that Khujliwal's antics have found no takers. His increasingly desperate attempts at gaining public sympathy is falling flat. His "BIG MARCH" in Delhi seems to have no followers. Anyone knows what happened to this one particular NACxalite?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 01 Apr 2013 17:47

Sanku wrote:This is for Muppalla-ji.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bjp-g ... a/1096032/

Former BJP ideologue K N Govindacharya has alleged that the present BJP government in Madhya Pradesh is more corrupt than the previous Congress government led by Digvijay Singh.

"The BJP government presently in power in Madhya Pradesh is more corrupt that the earlier Congress government," Govindacharya told reporters here last evening.

Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan had failed in controlling his ministers, he alleged.

During the BJP government, industrialists and bureaucrats were happy while the farmers suffered, he alleged.
With friends like these, you do really do not need enemies.

I am not way off in my criticism. Actually my criticism of so called mythical D4 is far less than these purer saffron types. These are such that because they are either nuts or sold off to enemies of the country (not just political rivals).

D4 is more political factioning which in natural in any political party all over the world. In my view "party with a difference" doesn't mean a human being born with difference (like having 10 legs and two brains). It just means that what it delivers is different.

When the party took an easy decision of making LKA as PM candidate in 2009 everyone closed their ranks and supported him all the way from making him to election time. It is disappointing to see that the process is having so much drag with real and also media created stuff.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 01 Apr 2013 20:30

Govindacharya is a nut-case for all his theories.