RajeshA wrote:shiv wrote:As I see it the only way to bring down the most egregious aspects is by publicly and indirectly shaming the supporters by showing how hypocritical they are by resorting to murder and suppression of Muslims who disagree while denying that it occurs. Killing of kafirs by Muslims does not matter one bit. A live kafir slave or dhimmi is held up as a sign of liberalism in Islam.
shiv saar,
even here, in green-on-green violence, there is a growing acceptance. The greener ones think that they are stopping shirk and the less greener - they will continue to plead for brotherhood and consider all violence a conspiracy by the Yahud-Hanud-Nasara and Takfiris. From Iran's reaction, we see that they continue to speak in favor of Pan-Islamism, even as Shia die by the hundreds every week.
The more one tries to tell them that they are dying because of Islam, the more they will consider you as part of the conspiracy.
So even here there are defensive psychological mechanisms. Perhaps what may help is a lot more video coverage of the gory details of green on green. Too few videos are coming out!
True. Part of the problem (and part of Islam's powerful defence) is the fact that most Muslims in the world are taught to be proud to be completely illiterate and believe that the Mullahs fart=great knowledge handed down from Allah. Illiteracy and backwardness is a patented Islamic tool. As you point out it is difficult to cut through such formidable differences.
Illiterate Muslim masses will simply be killing each other and non Muslims. The first obvious step is to reduce the threat to non Muslims with adequate safeguards. As non Muslims become more secure and safe from being killed by Muslims, the percentage of Muslims killing each other becomes evident and visible to the world. This is the stage that has been reached in Pakistan, Syria and Iraq.
The educated Muslim elite probably understand but they are powerless to change the course of Islam. But among the educated elite are a bunch of educated power brokers - for example the Paki army and RAPE class of Pakistan who profess to be devout Muslims and use the support of illiterate Muslim masses to simply kill someone or the other for personal goals/glory. Illiterate Muslims make great slave armies that can be manipulated by controlling the Muslim elite.
The West has learned this trick of manipulating the Muslim elite for their own ends, so the entire "Muslim world" especially the more moronic Muslim countries in the "Green crescent" from Egypt to Pakistan are all slaves of the west, except Iran. Whenever an Islamic country tries to "break away" that is, when the moronic illiterate bulk of Islamic masses break away from control of their elite who are slaves of the west, the west punish them by various means ranging from sanctions to military action. But as long as Muslim masses follow the lead of the elite Muslims (who are slaves of the west) the countries get praise and aid that caters to Islamic pride. This is how Muslim countries are armed against Zionist Israel and Hindu India or against "Godless communists". In other words radical moronic Muslims actually earn praise and rewards from the west as long as they are killing each other and killing people and forces that the west seeks to keep "balanced" and unstable.
Islam is too primitive to understand this along with 90% of the world's Muslims. Such a situation was not even dreamed of 1300 years ago.
So I think twin goals have to be aimed at. The first is the breaking away of stupid brainless Muslim forces from western control. The second is shaming of all Muslims in the world by holding a mirror to their faces and showing them how barbaric Islam is in encouraging killing fellow Muslims. Kafirs must protect themselves first and ensure that they are safe no matter which way Islamic forces turn. Reform of Islam is possible, but that is by reforming 1 billion Muslims. This can only be done by shakinah. Kindness and arguments won't cut it.
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