Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 01 Apr 2013 21:33

Sanku wrote:In other news, it appears that Khujliwal's antics have found no takers. His increasingly desperate attempts at gaining public sympathy is falling flat. His "BIG MARCH" in Delhi seems to have no followers. Anyone knows what happened to this one particular NACxalite?

This NACxalite was thrown away like a used condom. The problem with him is he is a leftist and offers the same welfare policy prescriptions which are currently retarding the economy.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 01 Apr 2013 22:50

He may be useful to INC to divide the anti-Sheila votes. He is CPI-M without the party pretending to be some Gandhian.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 01 Apr 2013 22:58

disha wrote:
SwamyG wrote:It is just a political term. In TN MuKa and JJ are polarizing, while lesser political figures are less.
So let us call Rahul Polarizing.

Contribution wise Rahul is minimalist. Idea wise - well what are ideas to him? However political figure wise he is definitely polarizing. Either people agree that he is dimwit or several two legged manimals prostrate before him. And he is a "tall" political figure - heir to thrown and a dynasty pedigree to boot.

Rahul Gandhi is a polarizing figure.

Sure go ahead and call him that or anyone. But I would disagree because of all you said in your second para. Seriously, what has he done for us to even give him that stature - a polarizing figure. I would not call him polarizing. However Sonia was polarizing, when it looked like she would become the PM, there was a clear polarization. Ignoring the outliers, people either wanted her to become the PM or not. Rahul is an after thought, he does not elicit the discussions or venom Modi generates. The only way he could become the PM is if INC manages a pre or post poll alliance miracle.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 01 Apr 2013 23:34

Btw guys, Congress declared war chest of 100 carores (which I suspect is more), of online NAREGA is showing effect. The online discussion every where is suddenly full with anti Modi/BJP and its anti-supporter comments. It's easy to though see through their fake attack, and no, I have only seen negative campaign by them.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 01 Apr 2013 23:40

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krisna · Post by **krisna** » 02 Apr 2013 04:33

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Lot of troubles are there to win onlee or at least guide for future NaMos.
No need to depair but rejuvenate yourselves to help your nation.

reminds me of Ramayana story when squirrels also laid small stones/mud during the building of Lankan bridge.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 02 Apr 2013 13:07

TVR Shenoy is usually right. Worth reading in full.

http://www.rediff.com/news/column/elect ... 130401.htm

Elections soon after Diwali!

The shift in direction reportedly came thanks to some sober words from a member of the 'Core Group'. He or she offered two reasons why it might make sense to arrange for a general election no later than November or December.

The first is that the economy is in poor shape, far worse than anyone -- inside or outside of government -- wants to let on in public.

The second reason for bringing forward the general election, mentioned at the Congress 'Core Group', was the party's dependence on smaller parties.

There is a third reason why the Congress might prefer an immediate dissolution of the Lok Sabha, one that was probably not discussed at that 'Core Group' meeting. Which is that the party might find it safer to have a general election before the results of the Rajasthan [ Images ] Vidhan Sabha polls come out.

The reason is Robert Vadra's land speculations. Congressmen fell over themselves to testify to Vadra's innocence when the news broke, and one of the explanations on offer was that he is a savvy businessman.

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 02 Apr 2013 14:16

IMO Rajasthan's results would be out by the end of December's 1st fortnight.

Chandrasekhar · Post by **Chandrasekhar** » 02 Apr 2013 14:31

Shivraj Singh Chouhan faces Hindutva ire over temples’ razing

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 02 Apr 2013 14:38

TVR shenoy also predicted yindoo consolidation and political activity below the surface in Kerala after the explicit emergence of the krala congress (xtian org) and the IUML anyway. Said the yindoos will rally behind the CPM in the absence of a viable alternative.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 Apr 2013 14:39

car sales are down for first time in a decade
IIP is 2.5% growth in feb 2013

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 02 Apr 2013 14:41

Hari Seldon wrote:TVR shenoy also predicted yindoo consolidation .

In fact, he was one of the original few who predicted BJPs rise all the way back when BJP/VHP were raising the issue of RG breaking open the locks of Ram Mandir and such. I remember reading his pieces in the "Week(?)"

He was somewhat eclipsed because he was one of few seen as sympathetic to the saffron color, since his predictions came true.

Talk of shooting the messenger.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 02 Apr 2013 14:48

Sanku wrote:In other news, it appears that Khujliwal's antics have found no takers. His increasingly desperate attempts at gaining public sympathy is falling flat. His "BIG MARCH" in Delhi seems to have no followers. Anyone knows what happened to this one particular NACxalite?

India needs to change its suicide laws and legalize it. That way if someone is doing fast on to death atleast in few cases, the government should not intervene until death. After few such incidents this fast-on-to death satyagrahas will become rare.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 02 Apr 2013 15:33

^^^

I strongly support that.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 02 Apr 2013 16:13

Muppalla wrote:That way if someone is doing fast on to death atleast in few cases, the government should not intervene until death. After few such incidents this fast-on-to death satyagrahas will become rare.

If my memory serves me right, late Kerala CM E.K Nayanar (CPI-M) had tried this out. One the other side was an Swami-ji from SNDP, who had some greviences. EKN said that fasts etc. would just not work and the Swami-ji is fasting at his own peril. The Swami-ji cancelled the fast stating that hunger strikes only work with people who are a bit more civilised to understand pain.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 02 Apr 2013 16:23

Sachin wrote:[quote="Muppalla]That way if someone is doing fast on to death atleast in few cases, the government should not intervene until death. After few such incidents this fast-on-to death satyagrahas will become rare.

If my memory serves me right, late Kerala CM E.K Nayanar (CPI-M) had tried this out. One the other side was an Swami-ji from SNDP, who had some greviences. EKN said that fasts etc. would just not work and the Swami-ji is fasting at his own peril. The Swami-ji cancelled the fast stating that hunger strikes only work with people who are a bit more civilised to understand pain.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

Swamiji is right. Only civilised people or ones who have guilty conscience will feel the pain.
IIRC MKG also said the same about his tactics.
It works with people who have compassion and kindness in themselves.
No wonder his satyagraha and other appeasement policies failed miserably against muslims who refused to be baited by jinnah and other muslim leaders by raising different methods against this emotional tug normally present in humans.
communism is also of similar type.
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OT stuff.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 02 Apr 2013 17:47

The same kind of drama is going on in AP against power price increase.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 02 Apr 2013 18:14

Muppalla wrote:
Sanku wrote:In other news, it appears that Khujliwal's antics have found no takers. His increasingly desperate attempts at gaining public sympathy is falling flat. His "BIG MARCH" in Delhi seems to have no followers. Anyone knows what happened to this one particular NACxalite?
India needs to change its suicide laws and legalize it. That way if someone is doing fast on to death atleast in few cases, the government should not intervene until death. After few such incidents this fast-on-to death satyagrahas will become rare.

Suicide laws are pointless. If someone is determined to do it they will. I agree. Legalize it and satyagrahas will be finished for the most part.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 02 Apr 2013 18:19

Sanku wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:TVR shenoy also predicted yindoo consolidation .
In fact, he was one of the original few who predicted BJPs rise all the way back when BJP/VHP were raising the issue of RG breaking open the locks of Ram Mandir and such. I remember reading his pieces in the "Week(?)"

He was somewhat eclipsed because he was one of few seen as sympathetic to the saffron color, since his predictions came true.
Talk of shooting the messenger.

His real crime was that he sympathized with RSS/BJP while belonging to SC class.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 02 Apr 2013 18:39

Sushupti wrote:
Sanku wrote:
In fact, he was one of the original few who predicted BJPs rise all the way back when BJP/VHP were raising the issue of RG breaking open the locks of Ram Mandir and such. I remember reading his pieces in the "Week(?)"

He was somewhat eclipsed because he was one of few seen as sympathetic to the saffron color, since his predictions came true.
Talk of shooting the messenger.
His real crime was that he sympathized with RSS/BJP while belonging to SC class.

isnt shenoy a typical brahmin surname(ko bra?)

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 02 Apr 2013 19:33

Eh? Shenoy SC/ST? Konkani-speaking Brahmin,more like.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 02 Apr 2013 19:42

^^^ Normally that's how it should be. But to the best of my information he is from SC class. He was very close to Kanshiram and Mayawati much before she started forming govts with the support from BJP.

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 02 Apr 2013 20:00

^Wiki chacha says he is a GSB, he is from Cochin, where there is a sizeable GSB community. Please stop spreading misinformation.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 03 Apr 2013 01:34

Manmohan is not a failure, Congress stresses
TNN | Apr 3, 2013, 12.24 AM IST

NEW DELHI: Congress hailed the relationship between Sonia Gandhi and Manmohan Singh as unprecedented and ideal, rebuffing criticism that the power-sharing arrangement was a failure and salving the embarrassment that it had caused to the party chief and the prime minister.

AICC general secretary Janardan Dwivedi said, "The relationship that exists between Congress president and the PM has never been seen before nor is it visible today. It should also be the model for future."

He said that unlike other parties where the party and government heads share uneasy relations, Sonia and Singh had maintained good equations for over nine years.

The emphatic comment sought to rebut the criticism of dual leadership triggered by the remarks of party general secretary Digvijaya Singh who had last week said the division of power between the Congress chief and the PM had not worked. He also said that for a prime minister to be effective, he should have the powers to take decisions.

Although expressed in his personal capacity and despite his insistence that Sonia never interfered with the PM's functioning, Digvijaya's views were a repudiation of the party's official narrative that Singh had complete freedom in government matters. That he chose to express his "personal" opinion when the PM was in South Africa to attend the BRICS summit caused unease in Congress; more so because BJP has been lampooning the PM as subservient to 10, Janpath.

Also, Digvijay's remarks came just a day after he said that Rahul Gandhi had authorized him to deny reports that the Congress vice-president had ruled himself out of the prime ministerial arena: something that only added to the need to repair the perception of any disappointment with the PM's performance.

Congress's official pronouncement on Tuesday also seem to be aimed at closing the room for any speculation about divisions within the party on the leadership for 2014. Three recent statements had fed into the perception of confusion over the issue. First came Rahul's purported statement that he was not interested in becoming PM. This was followed by Digvijaya's statement that the Congress vice-president had been misunderstood. Lastly, the PM triggered speculation when he gave the impression that he had not decided to hang up his boots yet.

Asked whether he would agree to be Congress's candidate for PM yet again if asked by Sonia, Singh told journalists on his way back from Durban on Thursday, "These are all hypothetical issues. We will cross the bridge when we come to it."

Congress leaders, however, deny that the statements are in conflict with each other or are indicative of lack of clarity in the party on the issue of prime ministership for 2014.

A senior leader said there was no contradiction between what was said by the PM and Rahul's readiness to take up the job after 2014.

They said it would be suicidal to show Singh as passe when he still has one year to go in office. A premature clamour for Rahul's projection as PM would destabilize the government when it is already facing a tough task to keep allies like SP on board after the exit of DMK from the ruling coalition.

Dwivedi recalled that Congress had clarified after Rahul's elevation as vice-president in Jaipur that the party would decide on prime ministership after the elections while the young leader would lead the campaign.

"Today, Manmohan Singh is the prime minister and everybody accepts him," he said.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Apr 2013 02:07

They are getting ready to remove him.

When INCwallas praise some one its like Greeks bearing gifts.

The one year remaining comment is very insightful.

They may want to appoint Rahul as the PM and let him be the incumbent in the elections.

See the order of the three perceptions!

All scams will be swept under MMS watch.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 03 Apr 2013 03:21

ramana wrote:They are getting ready to remove him.

When INCwallas praise some one its like Greeks bearing gifts.

The one year remaining comment is very insightful.

They may want to appoint Rahul as the PM and let him be the incumbent in the elections.

See the order of the three perceptions!

All scams will be swept under MMS watch.

I agree. They are going to sack him soon and Rahul will take over. Elections mid year is highly likely.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 03 Apr 2013 06:44

^^ MMS is no dummy. If I am not wrong, he will release some threatening info damaging the dienasty. Remember! He released Coal scandal info blaming Ahmed Patel who is the chief money launderer for Sonia.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 03 Apr 2013 08:06

mms is a dummy. he wouldn't have been appointed by sonia otherwise.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 03 Apr 2013 10:42

The truth is MMS himself does not know whether he is PM candidate of the INC for 2014 or has to go. he is just a person takign the blame. I don't think the family will ever take the PM responsibility. they want power without accountability.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Apr 2013 10:57

probably AK Antony.
PC is not liked by many courtiers because he has a sharp mind/tongue and knows how to put them in their place.
same case for Pranabda which is why he was pensioned off.

ashkrishna · Post by **ashkrishna** » 03 Apr 2013 14:12

Many projections put BJP in Karnataka at 35-50 seats. Serious blow.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 03 Apr 2013 14:31

Karnataka is a serious problem. BJP may suffer seriously. But there is also multi cornered contest and lot of in fighting in INC for tickets. So while BJP may suffer and may not come back to power it can give some goog account of itself if it does give good fight.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 03 Apr 2013 14:34

I hope INC needs KJP, JD(S), Sriramulu(reddy brothers) Congress plus independents to make it to power in Karnataka. That would be good enough.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Apr 2013 14:41

JD(S) in coalition is the death certificate signed in advance. rug pulling and triple crossing is a core competency there. and they do have a statewide org and are quite strong in the blr - hassan - mysore region.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 03 Apr 2013 16:11

Only CBI-proof netas are from Cong and D4 BJP.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 03 Apr 2013 16:20

Sharad Yadav dashes Congress hopes, says JD(U) will not align with UPA

PTI Posted online: Wed Apr 03 2013, 16:01 hrs

Saharsa : JD(U) president Sharad Yadav today dismissed speculation about his party firming up alliance with the Congress, saying there was no such prospect both pre- and post 2014 Lok Sabha elections.
"There is no chance of an alliance between the JD(U) and the Congress before the 2014 general elections or even after that," he said here.

"I cannot visualise such a possibility now or after next general elections," Yadav, who arrived here on a two-day visit to his parliamentary constituency Madhepura, said.

The remark assumes significance as the Congress has been wooing Chief Minister Nitish Kumar by promising to revisit the criteria for granting special status to states to accommodate the aspirations of Bihar.

On his party's view on Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi emerging as a front runner for the BJP's prime ministerial candidate, Yadav said, "The NDA will decide its prime ministerial candidate following a discussion and consultation among the allies in due course of time ahead of the next general elections."

When prodded further on Modi's elevation in the BJP parliamentary board, the JD(U) president said it was an internal affair of the senior NDA constituent. Yadav hit out out at the Congress-led UPA government for the country's current economic state.

"It is due to the UPA-II's mismanagement that no big investment had come to India in industrial sector or even in the multi-brand retail which the ruling coalition sought to harp on as a booster to economic growth," he said.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 03 Apr 2013 17:02

Sushupti wrote:

Only CBI-proof netas are from Cong and D4 BJP.

If this is the only thing that is making SP support the INC. Then SP does not deserve to be a political part. BJP must target the SP for destruction in the LS. Regardless of what happens SP must be taken out of the equation. to be followed by the BSP.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 03 Apr 2013 17:30

@vinod_sharma
Only negative, defeatist energy..
@knackofflying
such status -quoists and fearful ppl can never win. fear can never win.
@vinod_sharma 4m
every time he speaks, he spreads cheer. In battered Cong camp.

No one can form govt at Centre without Cong or BJP backing: Advani

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/no-on ... 84727.html

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 03 Apr 2013 17:52

MediaCrooks ‏@mediacrooks 8h
Many predict elections around Nov.2013.. But you wont see one single opinion poll from @ibnlive @ndtv @headlinestoday .. Any wonder why?
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@mediacrooks Last night Rajagopalan on TImesNow said, Cong internal assessment is of 85 seats! @ibnlive @ndtv @headlinestoday

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Congress seat number will certainly fall but sec-left parties will be forced to pick up the slack. UPA-3 is a good possibility. I will be surprised if elections are held next year.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 Apr 2013 18:05

Don't lose heart folks...

If INC gets 85 and BJP 145 then there remaining 310 will have to go to regional parties. That means every regional party will have to reach its zenith.

BJP will get 200+ seats.