Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 07 Apr 2013 02:28

krisna wrote:twitter quotes
Madhu Kishwar ‏@madhukishwar 4 Apr

@AgaAniket I have read Teesta for years but have not spoken to her in recent months. I will try interviewing her towards the end of my study
Modinama seems to be the beginning. Madhu based on her tweets seems to be on fire, with a mission.
Can understand now the cbi/It and other congi dept have acted with great urgency on her.
will have to see what teesta has to say- how Madhu Kishwar will write on her. Good luck to her.
fun to watch in the coming weeks.

More on Madhu Kishwar,
https://twitter.com/madhukishwar/status ... 5737649152

Grateful for links to many anti modi speeches & comments sent by Tweeple. Pl also send hate speeches alleged to have been made by Modi

seems to be doing some good.
folks please do respond to her twitter.

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 07 Apr 2013 02:44

I once again humbly request, before India accepts NaMo as future PM, can BRF accept him? Why this dhaga still hidden here?

let's first convince BRF think tank to move this to main forum.

This thread itself can reveal the truth about NaMo vision of "India First" as an alternative to secularism. This should be given proper visibility to many uninitiated who still look at NaMo through paid media.

Narendra Modi is destined to go down in the Indian history as one of the greatest leaders right there with visionaries like PVNR, & great Sardar Patel.

We as mango internet Hindus should do everything we can to prevent what happened with Sardar Patel after independence when power was usurped by the first RNI of India unkil Nehru. Today, the developments are leading us to same direction only this time NaMo is Sardar Patel fighting lone battle with dynasty, paid media & Nehruvian Bhajapais.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 07 Apr 2013 06:32

krisna wrote:twitter quotes
Madhu Kishwar ‏@madhukishwar 4 Apr

@AgaAniket I have read Teesta for years but have not spoken to her in recent months. I will try interviewing her towards the end of my study
Modinama seems to be the beginning. Madhu based on her tweets seems to be on fire, with a mission.
Can understand now the cbi/It and other congi dept have acted with great urgency on her.
will have to see what teesta has to say- how Madhu Kishwar will write on her. Good luck to her.
fun to watch in the coming weeks.

They can throw her in Jail on bogus up charges and keep her in Jail for 18 months, End of which she get released. Will be enough to silence any one who wants to follow her.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 Apr 2013 06:35

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 07 Apr 2013 06:45

Vipin_Upadhyay wrote:I once again humbly request, before India accepts NaMo as future PM, can BRF accept him? Why this dhaga still hidden here?

let's first convince BRF think tank to move this to main forum.

This thread itself can reveal the truth about NaMo vision of "India First" as an alternative to secularism. This should be given proper visibility to many uninitiated who still look at NaMo through paid media.

Narendra Modi is destined to go down in the Indian history as one of the greatest leaders right there with visionaries like PVNR, & great Sardar Patel.

This thread has crossed 100 pages within a span of a little more than 100 days. Considering that the subject matter of this thread is THE most consequential for the country over the next several months, and the outcome of most other threads on BRF depend on whether Modi gets elected or not - it makes sense to have this thread be in the strategic forum.

Request the admins to take a call.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 Apr 2013 07:02

@JayHind 8h
Narendra Modi : this country is my mother. Rahul Gandhi: this country is my mother's. The complexity is in the apostrophe.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 07 Apr 2013 07:03

Good job for BJP.

BRAHMINS IN CONGRESS ON TENTERHOOKS

Brahmins in the Congress are worried about the selection procedure adopted for State presidents. The traditional combination of Brahmin-Dalit-Muslim has been changed to OBC-Dalit-Muslim combine. It is said that AICC general secretary Oscar Fernandes, general secretary BK Hariprasad and AICC general secretary incharge for Rajasthan Mukul Wasnik are responsible for this new combine.

Some senior leaders say Digvijay Singh may also have a hand in this. Former president of UPCC Rita Joshi and former MPCC president Suresh Pachauri are Brahmins and both have been removed. Nirmal Khatri was appointed in place of Rita Joshi and Kanti Lal Bhuria replaced Pachauri. A Mahadalit has been made State president of Bihar Congress — a move welcomed by the community since there has been no Dalit president in the last 25 years. But the Brahmins say that no president from their community, too, has held the post in the last 21 years.

Meanwhile, Pratap Singh Bajwa has been given charge of Punjab Congress and Sukhvinder Singh Sukhu is in charge of Himachal Pradesh. Yashpal Arya is president of Uttarakhand Congress and Dalit leader Phool Chand Mullana heads Haryana Congress. Rajasthan is in the hands of Chandrabhan. Pradeep Kumar Balmuchu is president of Jharkhand Congress. JP Aggrawal is in Delhi, Manikrao Thakre is in Maharashtra and Arjun Modhwadia is president of Gujarat Congress.

The only Brahmin State president from the north, north-east and west India is West Bengal Pradesh Congress Committee president Pradeep Bhattacharya.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/sunday-edit ... hooks.html

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 07 Apr 2013 07:04

This from a hardcore dynasty reporter.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 Apr 2013 07:05

Somehow, am not v sure if its such a good idea to take this boisterous dhaga into the start or tech-econ forums at all. The burqa forum is perfect for folks to air everything from pure speculation to nutty CTs at a time when things are fluid only. Later, a more sober, sane and (ahem) professional version of the dhaga can perhaps make its way to the sunlight but right now...let the ideas flow.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 07 Apr 2013 07:14

^^^^
somehow I agree with the above.
Those interested will contribute in burkha forum.

remember congis have paid 100 crores to cull all discussions in media including forums.

If it goes into open, I suspect more will join BRF, will soon degenerate.
Guys can check the internet all over. It will be a shame if that sort of things happens here.
Politics is somethig easy to degenerate into nasty personal stuff like religion.
better to keep it sane for all of us including breapers.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 07 Apr 2013 07:31

I tell ya, when the female of the species like Madhu Kishwar, Tavleen Singh get going - they beat the males hollow..Here's one more on the dot from Tavleen:

A confusing vision

Let me begin by admitting that I wish I did not have to analyse Rahul Gandhi's first major address to the nation. It feels too much like kicking a helpless puppy. But, just as it would be impossible for a film critic to ignore Shah Rukh Khan's latest film, it is impossible for a political columnist to ignore the first speech made by a man who has been the designated heir of the Gandhi dynasty ever since he entered politics nearly a decade ago.

Rahul Gandhi said last week that his 'DNA' was his reason for being in politics. I understood this to mean that he may never have been in politics if it had not been his unfortunate lot to take care of the family business. Lately, since he was appointed vice-president of the Congress party, Rahul has seemed to change from being a very reluctant prince to a much less reluctant future prime minister. Even then, from the moment Rahul took centre stage at last week's CII meeting it seemed to me as if he were playacting at being a political leader, as if someone had written for him a speech that he did not fully understand.

He began by pronouncing that India was "not a country, but an energy". And, he went on to explain, the energy that constitutes India comes from her sacred rivers "that we worship". If only he had remembered this later when he was asked that question about water and he went into a long, meandering discourse about everything except water. He could have told us why governments headed for decades by his family allowed these sources of India's energy to be reduced to sewers. Was it because, like him, they too thought India was 'not a country' but an abstraction in which polluted rivers, filthy villages, chaotic cities and desperate poverty were really irrelevant? If this is Rahul's 'vision' for India, then it has already been realised.

There is more to the vision though, because within seconds of describing India as 'not a country', he discovered in it the "largest pool of human capital that mankind has ever known". On a "dark night on the Gorakhpur Lokmanya Tilak" to Mumbai, he met young people filled with hopes and dreams and realised that it was important to nurture the dreams of men like Girish the carpenter.

This is when my doubts about his 'vision' really began. He acknowledged, in an abstract sort of way, that the dreams of young Indians die because they are victims of an obsolete education system, horrible poverty and chronic unemployment. He talked of a broken political system and the importance of democracy filtering down to the villages, but he then took credit on behalf of the UPA government for having created "rights-based governance". In doing this he appeared to absolve the government of its responsibility to provide the tools that enable young Indians to realise their dreams. The two most important tools are a halfway decent education and a halfway decent job. But Rahul seemed to think the government had done its bit and it was now the responsibility of big business to do the rest. In professorial tones, he advised the richest men in India that if they listened to "the voice of a billion Indians", their businesses would grow.

He seemed tangentially to have noticed that it was not easy to do business in India because he then made that remark about making it "on the moon" if you can make it here. What he appeared not to have noticed is that no government in recent history has done more to poison the atmosphere for business than the one run on his behalf by his Mummy and Dr Manmohan Singh. Judging from the sycophantic, snivelling praise that Rahul's speech invoked from the captains of industry, they more than deserve a return to the licence raj, but does India?

Does India deserve a prime minister who started the economic downturn when he went personally to Orissa to order the closure of a factory that could have made India the world's centre for aluminum production? Does India deserve a leader whose political ideas remain so mysterious and abstract that he thinks of this country as a beehive?

Rahul Gandhi himself has acknowledged often that he does not want to be a politician. So this could be the right time to make a career change. Let him marry a good woman, have children, travel and do all the things that being a politician in a country that is "not a country" appear to prevent him from doing. If his first address to the nation is anything to go by, politics is not for him. The very thought of him being India's interlocutor in the forums of the world is scary. What would other leaders make of his abstractions?

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 07 Apr 2013 08:59

Modi Lehar in Karnataka

After Modi conquered Gujarat, most prominent dailies carried a big advertisement the next day, which said, “Jeeta hai Gujarat, ab jeetega Bharat”. This multi-coloured ad had pictures of Narendra Modi and Atal Bihari Vajpayee. These ads were sponsored by Lehar Singh Siroya of Karnataka Vidhan Parishad. This proves that somewhere or the other, Modi has connections with Karnataka’s prominent Lingayat leader and BJP rebel B S Yeddyurappa. Because Lehar Singh is the same person who is considered to be extremely close to Yeddyurappa. Apart from this, Modi is in constant touch with tribal leader P A Sangma. It will be no exaggeration to say that if this time Modi gets to lead the BJP, he may try to get Yeddyurappa’s Janata Party in Karnataka, Keshubhai’s Gujarat Parivartan Party and P S Sangma’s National People’s Party to join the BJP.

modi-vs-rajnath Modi vs Rajnath

Modi from outside and opposition from within – that is how Rajnath Singh is treating the shining star of the BJP Narendra Modi. While Rajnath Singh is busy praising Modi at different party forums, he is also trying to shake the ground beneath Modi’s feet from within. Under Rajnath’s leadership, a group of prominent BJP leaders is trying to ensure that no matter what, Modi should not be projected as the prime ministerial candidate from the BJP. In order to appease Modi, there is discussion if Modi will be made to head the campaign committee from the party’s behalf. But if sources are to be believed, Modi is not happy with it. But what is the reason behind this changed perspective of Rajnath Singh? Sources reveal that an astrologer close to Rajnath has said that by 2014, Rajnath’s stars will align in his favour and defeating other party leaders like himself, he may just become the prime minister.

disha · Post by **disha** » 07 Apr 2013 09:03

Able to catch up with news now.

So Rahul Gandhi talked about squeezing and hugging a Chinese Secretary. If the secretary is female, will not that constitute sexual harassment? Or worse, a Chinese spy? Ready to honey trap RG?

I had the onerous job of introducing "colleague" from India (actually a dimwit relative of the company honcho from Madurai), real FOB. Must have watched lot of baywatch or whatever, first thing he does on being introduced to his female colleagues in Lala Land (LA) is give them a very hard hug and squeeze them at the "wrong" places.

Of course, sexual harassment cases flew fast and thick and I had to navigate through a whole load of manure.

Anyway, RG is now a proven dimwit. Let the likes of theos defend him.

As somebody twitted, RG thinks India is Sonia's. If India elects ConGraze again, shame on me for believing in my own countrymen.

disha · Post by **disha** » 07 Apr 2013 09:10

anmol wrote: After Modi conquered Gujarat, most prominent dailies carried a big advertisement the next day, which said, “Jeeta hai Gujarat, ab jeetega Bharat”. This multi-coloured ad had pictures of Narendra Modi and Atal Bihari Vajpayee. These ads were sponsored by Lehar Singh Siroya of Karnataka Vidhan Parishad. This proves that somewhere or the other, Modi has connections with Karnataka’s prominent Lingayat leader and BJP rebel B S Yeddyurappa. Because Lehar Singh is the same person who is considered to be extremely close to Yeddyurappa. Apart from this, Modi is in constant touch with tribal leader P A Sangma. It will be no exaggeration to say that if this time Modi gets to lead the BJP, he may try to get Yeddyurappa’s Janata Party in Karnataka, Keshubhai’s Gujarat Parivartan Party and P S Sangma’s National People’s Party to join the BJP.

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Modi is an astute politician. Right after his Gujarat victory, after visiting his mother, he visited Keshubhai Patel. The point is, it is now up to Keshubhai to live up to his "ward"'s expectation.

The karmic "kruna" is now on Keshubhai. (Again the concept of karmic "kruna" or "karmic debt" is very alien to western culture but endemic to indics, so hopefully the indics will understand this).

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 07 Apr 2013 09:22

BTW I think this person may be Rajnath's advisor Sudhanshi Trivedi who is also astrologer.

"astrologer close to Rajnath has said that by 2014, Rajnath’s stars will align in his favour and defeating other party leaders like himself, he may just become the prime minister."

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 07 Apr 2013 09:39

sourab_c wrote:This is what concerns me. The voters who live in the dark and do not know any better. All it takes is a small donation of cash/food/alcohol by the local congi workers the night before the election day to get these voters to swing their way. The winning party would have to ensure they reach people hiding in every nook and cranny of this nation and not just the big city/town dwellers.

In TN, thanks to free TVs given away by oldman, 'voters in the dark' is not that much of an issue, even with party channels that broadcast biased news.

money for votes - works best for ruling parties during by-elections. Azhagiri predicted they would win a by-election with a X margin and turned out he was close to X. He should know, because he kept count of the money distributed.

in general elections, it may work only in few constituencies. And then there are people who take money from both parties and vote who they want to vote. so, cheer up and have faith on voters.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 07 Apr 2013 10:12

LK Advani back in prime ministerial race?

New Delhi: Amidst growing support for Narendra Modi among Bharatiya Janata Party's cadres and many wanting the party to name him the prime ministerial candidate in 2014 General Elections, Delhi BJP chief Vijay Goel on Saturday stirred the hornet’s nest with his remark that the next government at the Centre will be formed under LK Advani's leadership.

disha · Post by **disha** » 07 Apr 2013 10:19

Chandragupta wrote:An email I sent to a colleague who was horrified when I said I'm a Modi fan.

Chandragupta'ji, excellent, thanks and many wishes that you can convert more souls. May your soul harvesting business boom. And thanks for putting together all the information in a single post.

Interestingly just one week back I had an interaction with another yuppie and she called NaMo as a genocidal maniac in the mold of Hitler and Nazi. I hope to show her the truth and save her soul as well. Of course, she has zero influence as a voter, but for this generation she needs to see the light and accept the truth.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 07 Apr 2013 10:33

she called NaMo as a genocidal maniac in the mold of Hitler and Nazi

These are city bred yuppies who live in the world of Coke and burgers. They have very poor awareness about the wider world and are obsessed with friends and job. They lack the power of critical thinking and are very vulnerable to brainwashing by shrewd interests. The only place where their brain works is in negotiating salary for their job. I have a lot of experience in dealing with these type of people in office. Their parents are mostly to blame as they do not provide these yuppies any guidance or understanding of the world in terms of politics, different religions, economy, etc. The kids remain blank.

disha · Post by **disha** » 07 Apr 2013 10:45

^^ Agree. And I already feel that the parent is regretting the spawn

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Instead of spawning venom, I would like to see this coke and burger yuppie types locked into neutral position. Getting them neutered is first step. Converted to cause is second and bonus. Either way, they may have a cognitive dissonance like Madhu Kishwar before they go into positive gear or get stuck in neutral. And remember, the converted are more committed since now they have a chip on their shoulder which they would like to wash off.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Apr 2013 10:58

atleast in my neck of woods, well rounded individuals with a knowledge of history, culture, politics, religion, military matters, sport might be .... 5 ... in a population of 6000+.

most are so inept at managing their own personal affairs, they cant even read a couple pages of instructions and file their own taxes online...come June its time for junior operators to setup shop in ITvity office lobbies, take the form16, the form16A from banks and do the simple task of generating a return, filing it and returning the ack.

yes and I also blame parents for their upbringing - just studies and some sports do not a man or woman make. people must read widely and take inputs from a large x-section of older people not just the usual narrow sample of Itvity/finance/mkting that their yuppie parents are. however as the parents themselves are transplants all their friends would be from a narrow circle and not include folks like police, teachers, many other professions...so that side of knowledge is totally lost. and with the housing situation in the metros, people tend to cluster in apartments on the basis of income bands...there is little chance of ever building own house to live in a "mixed profession" environment. even in govt layouts the bigger plots and richer people are all together - though to be fair these rich people tend to include doctors, architects, CAs and korrupt govt officials as well. there is no concept of mixing big and small plots on the same street

so the challenge of equipping our kids with a broad exposure is even more now. in my old mohalla there were all manner of people incl a colony of bihari rickshaw drivers....yuppie metro kids have probably never seen a rickshaw except on discovery channel

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 07 Apr 2013 12:09

Absolutely beautiful. It is like watching Abhimanyu enter the Chakravyuh and fight the maharathis of Hastinapur, but unlike in the real epic, this Abhimanyu not only makes out alive but also decimates the Kauravas. I can see his aura in these videos, what a man.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 07 Apr 2013 12:27

Rahul Gandhi’s jibes make Narendra Modi sting like a bee

AHMEDABAD: Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi on Saturday joined issue with Rahul Gandhi for equating India with a beehive, heightening the prospect of 2014 Lok Sabha elections turning into a gladiatorial duel between the two political arch-rivals.

"It is unfortunate that a senior Congress leader equated India with beehive. For us India is our motherland. For us, India comes first," Modi said reacting to Gandhi's recent speech at a CII function without naming the Congress leader.

The Gujarat CM, leading claimant for being BJP's prime ministerial nominee, who was addressing a huge meeting of BJP workers did not mention Rahul, but rubbed it in by suggesting that the Congress scion was not familiar with Indian ethos. "If you cannot understand the language and culture of the country, avoid saying anything that insults the motherland by equating it with a beehive," he said.

Notice how a false contest is being set up b/w Rahul Gandhi and Modi. Modi's contest is with Sonia Gandhi, not with Rahul who is a bumbling, confused kid. Sonia Gandhi is being shielded cleverly by Congress as at no cost do they want her to be exposed as a pedestrian housewife. Modi should openly challenge her to a national televised debate about the issues facing the nation.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 07 Apr 2013 12:29

Sanku wrote:If the Hindu decided to vote for obvious anti Hindu's because the party most aligned to them did not do enough -- the Hindus deserve it.

Simple.

If Hindus can not understand how BJP in 98-2004 was changing the ground for Hindu's including the Ram temple (how and when did ASI did lot of pioneering work in discovery of Ram temple, SSC, the Hindu structures in Fatehput Sikri etc)

The so called Hindus cause proponents here, who can not open their mouth without uttering a foul word towards some in their camp (including those who made sure Modi got protected during hardest time) are the root cause of failing of Hindu causes.

This is the story of the Monkey, the fly and the King.

Good. So while congis and leftists can continue appeasing muslims (who are minority) openly, these Hindu leaders have to work in covert and mysterious way to do good for the majority of the nation? And that to the extent that an average Indian cannot even comprehend it? Very good.

And what is the explanation for the deafening silence of BJP about minority appeasement, distortion of history, killings of RSS pracharaks, muslim rioters in support of NE muslims, Hindu killings in BD, Hindu killings in Pak etc.? If congis can openly talk about Hindu terrorism why can't BJP talk about muslim terrorism openly?

My whole point was based on vijayk's quote about Mamta appeasing the muslims and how it was very imp for her to do that. I was saying that this situation in India is because of BJP's departure from Hindutva. I complain about BJP only because they are supposed to be the Hindu defenders and they had exploited this image to get into power. If they strongly maintained their support to Hindutva other parties would not be so bold in their anti Hindu acts. I made another post after that describing how not a single congi neta in GJ would utter an anti Hindu word due to fear of NM/BJP. They would speak anything against NM but never against Hindus or Gujaratis. That's the difference I am talking about.

Now about the Hindu voters. It is a common argument made against Hindu voters that it is foolish to vote congis when they are dejected by BJP. That is all fine. The argument is rational and logical. But we do need to understand that voters go by their sentiments. If you think psychologically, the one who can hurt you the most is the one who is dearest to you. The nearer the person the more power to hurt. This reminds me of a great Sher from Jagjit's gazal...

Tumne chup rahekar sitam aur bhi dhaya muj par
Tumse achhe hai mere hal pe hasne wale

(You agonized me even more by watching it quietly, the ones laughing at me are better than you)

Hope all this is sorted out when (not IF) NM comes to power.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 07 Apr 2013 12:33

But we do need to understand that voters go by their sentiments.

If voters go by sentiments, then why do Muslim or Christian voters never get swayed to vote for BJP? Or is that it is only the Hindu voter who goes by sentiments while others think rationally about which side their bread is buttered?

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 07 Apr 2013 13:06

^^^ they have so many options other than the BJP.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 07 Apr 2013 13:58

kapilrdave wrote:^^^ they have so many options other than the BJP.

They have so many options because a large majority of the Hindus are not aligned with the Hindutva ideology. When there is a huge number of Nehruvian-Secularists, Macaulayites, Marxists, Yuppies, Jativadis, out there, to whom the Muslims and Christians can go to, the Hindus, those who believe in the Hindutva ideology, do not really have the luxury of sentiment because their voice, including their sentiments et al., gets further decimated by voting non-BJP.

Once all Hindus are on the Bharatiya Nationalist platform, all 80%+, only then can the Hindus avail the luxury of sentiment and punishing the sole Hindutva party upon disappointment.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 07 Apr 2013 14:29

Cong youth brigade will counter online attacks

The Congress will employ Indian Youth Congress and National Students Union of India activists to counter the negative publicity raging on social media platforms against the party and vice-president Rahul Gandhi.

Speaking to this newspaper, a close Gandhi aide said, "The best strategy is to recruit NSUI and IYC members for the purpose. It is important to make them understand the need to be active on social media platforms to counter the propaganda against us." By current standards, the BJP dominates social media. Dedicated online activists, who profess their admiration for Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, regularly criticise, lampoon, and occasionally abuse the Congress and its policies. Their special target is Rahul Gandhi. On Thursday, after he delivered a speech at a CII conference, #PappuCII and #Pappu trended on Twitter (Pappu is a pejorative Hindi word for a nincompoop). Earlier, the saffron brigade made the #RahulDay trend on April Fool's Day. Common Twitter users were then seen catching up.

A senior NSUI functionary said, "Special cells are being created in the NSUI and IYC to promote the use of social media. A Programme Team has been created with a dozen people, out of whom some are focusing on handling social media initiatives," he said. He accepted that social media has the ability to affect electoral outcomes, as far as young, urban voters are concerned. "PR agency APCO's services are being used by Narendra Modi to build up his image on social media platforms," the aide said.

According to Mihir Sharma, a senior journalist active online, "Social media has a bias toward the affluent and the techies. Both come under the BJP constituency." This explains the BJP's better showing on social media, he said. "Opposition parties have it easier as negative stuff tends to have wider currency online," he added.

Sharma also pointed out that while Modi supporters had a simple agenda, the Congress, being the party in government had to adopt more complicated and nuanced positions on issues. This adds to its social media travails, he said.

The Congress has been deliberating over other options to counter the surge of the Modi brigade. It was reported that Shashi Tharoor would lead a 35-member team to concentrate on improving the party's social media quotient. However, that plan is yet to take off and is likely to stay that way. The party has also been considering outsourcing its social media initiatives to the private sector. "The problem with that proposal is that this will involve an understanding of the Congress' ideology and to have a feel for projecting its views 24/7. Private players will not have those qualities," the Gandhi aide said.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 07 Apr 2013 14:40

RajeshA wrote:
kapilrdave wrote:^^^ they have so many options other than the BJP.
They have so many options because a large majority of the Hindus are not aligned with the Hindutva ideology. When there is a huge number of Nehruvian-Secularists, Macaulayites, Marxists, Yuppies, Jativadis, out there, to whom the Muslims and Christians can go to, the Hindus, those who believe in the Hindutva ideology, do not really have the luxury of sentiment because their voice, including their sentiments et al., gets further decimated by voting non-BJP.

Once all Hindus are on the Bharatiya Nationalist platform, all 80%+, only then can the Hindus avail the luxury of sentiment and punishing the sole Hindutva party upon disappointment.

Who says BJP is a pro Hindu party? IIRC BJP never said that at least since 2004.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 07 Apr 2013 14:53

^^^ Let me put this another way: Is there any party in India currently which is more pro-Hindu than BJP?

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 07 Apr 2013 15:08

^^^ No. But that doesn't mean that they can turn a blind eye about muslim appeasement. In fact the fact that they are the only one around with Hindu voice it is their duty to come out of their fear and/or vote bank politics and be aggressive about the Hindu interests.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 07 Apr 2013 15:11

So Hindus will keep voting for Muslim appeasing parties because the most pro-Hindu party doesn't meet their expectations one hundred percent. If BJP meets, say 80 percent of their expectations, Hindus are so upset, they just go ahead and vote for anti-Hindu parties which don't meet even 1 percent of their expectations. I would say Hindus need an IQ boost. They haven't heard the saying: "They may be bas^tards, but they are our bas^tards."

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 07 Apr 2013 15:17

Not just Modi: Guide to riots before 2002 and after

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 07 Apr 2013 15:29

varunkumar wrote:So Hindus will keep voting for Muslim appeasing parties because the most pro-Hindu party doesn't meet their expectations one hundred percent. If BJP meets, say 80 percent of their expectations, Hindus are so upset, they just go ahead and vote for anti-Hindu parties which don't meet even 1 percent of their expectations. I would say Hindus need an IQ boost. They haven't heard the saying: "They may be bas^tards, but they are our bas^tards."

The point is that BJP had lost its pro Hindu image altogether before the entry of NM. This affects the moral not only at the voters level but also at the party workers and small leaders level. A party is as strong as its leaders and my point is that in the last decade BJP leadership lost its charisma due to the lack of Hindutva.

If you have sources, just check the moral of BJP workers in your constituency. They would be jumping inside in anticipation that Modi will lead them this time. And then give them a fake news that Modi is not going to be the PM candidate instead LKA will be. Then see his face

. The leaders' posture do effect workers and voters.

And it is not that people's sentimental voting against BJP has gone unproductive. I am sure BJP would have learned the lesson and will go all out with Hindutva in 14.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 07 Apr 2013 15:39

varunkumar wrote:If BJP meets, say 80 percent of their expectations, Hindus are so upset, they just go ahead and vote for anti-Hindu parties which don't meet even 1 percent of their expectations.

One more point. During NDA regime they may or may not have met 80% of voters' expectation depending upon what the expectation is. But it is certain that they have not met even 1% of their voters' expectation as opposition party. They have been voted to be the largest opposition party. But pray tell me what did they do as an opposition?

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 07 Apr 2013 16:23

kapilrdave wrote:
varunkumar wrote:If BJP meets, say 80 percent of their expectations, Hindus are so upset, they just go ahead and vote for anti-Hindu parties which don't meet even 1 percent of their expectations.
One more point. During NDA regime they may or may not have met 80% of voters' expectation depending upon what the expectation is. But it is certain that they have not met even 1% of their voters' expectation as opposition party. They have been voted to be the largest opposition party. But pray tell me what did they do as an opposition?

Change of topic. From supposed non performance on Hindutva, to supposed non performance as opposition. (Congress was a great opposition in 98-2004 I suppose?

that they were voted in?)

So others can still vote for the best relatively when they have so many choices, but those who have pretty much one choice will measure that choice on an absolute metric and not relative metric? Hindus will not Ravan if there is no Raja Ram and that is supposed to be a good thing.

Anyway I think point is proven. These are precisely the sort of friends of BJP which lead to such mess.

As I said before the problem with BJP is precisely friends like these. Who needs enemies?

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 07 Apr 2013 16:30

To win, Modi has to sell a dream
Swapan Dasgupta

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 07 Apr 2013 16:32

From a mood of gloom a few months back, its a big change that people have slowly begun to sense a massive wave for BJP.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 07 Apr 2013 16:34

Here is something for the friends of BJP on the forum

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/04/06/d ... 62792.html

Don’t be apologetic for Ayodhya, take pride instead: Advani

“People say that BJP and Bharatiya Jana Sangh achieved this position by raising issues like Ayodhya and Ram temple. I feel proud in admitting this and say that ours is not just a political movement but also a cultural movement,” he said.

“Recently, when people heard Mulayam Singhji praising me, they thought what is he saying and doing? I feel if you speak the right thing, the world will accept it. You should not hesitate. Don’t ever let that inferiority complex come inside you,” he said.

ankitash · Post by **ankitash** » 07 Apr 2013 17:24

Sanku wrote:Here is something for the friends of BJP on the forum

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/04/06/d ... 62792.html

Don’t be apologetic for Ayodhya, take pride instead: Advani

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Babri masjid demolition saddest day in life: LK Advani

http://news.oneindia.in/2011/03/29/lk-a ... d0102.html