Phone, Tablet and Gizmo Thread #0x02

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 06 Apr 2013 22:32

Microsoft's Windows 8 Has Failed, Now What?

Large corporates are not buying Windows 8, they are all upgrading from Win XP to Win 7. An colleague of mine needed a new laptop and he set off to order one, but the ones with the best performance were all Win 8. He stopped searching and ordered an older Lenovo with Win 7.

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 06 Apr 2013 23:28

I wonder if MS did any consumer/market research about getting rid of start button style before jumping in to Metro interface for Win-8! I haven't used Win8 on a PC but folks have a Surface tablet and I sure hate UI experience. I prefer to use Ubuntu/Win-7 on a lappy even it means sacrificing mobility when compared to a tablet. Of course, for basic stuff like email & internet, smartfone with 3G suffices.

My next phone will be Nexus 4 hopefully by end of this month

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 07 Apr 2013 00:05

Raja Bose wrote:^^Till you touch it, how can one tell?

sampat · Post by **sampat** » 07 Apr 2013 00:06

Zynda wrote:I wonder if MS did any consumer/market research about getting rid of start button style before jumping in to Metro interface for Win-8! I haven't used Win8 on a PC but folks have a Surface tablet and I sure hate UI experience. I prefer to use Ubuntu/Win-7 on a lappy even it means sacrificing mobility when compared to a tablet. Of course, for basic stuff like email & internet, smartfone with 3G suffices.

My next phone will be Nexus 4 hopefully by end of this month

I spend most of the time on desktop. Metro App is only used for playing online radio in background. Interface was little confusing in the beginning but after watching one short intro video , things became clearer. MS should have included that intro video in Windows installation itself.

Metro is simply one giant start menu. Search is also better in Windows 8.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 07 Apr 2013 00:14

Zynda wrote:I wonder if MS did any consumer/market research about getting rid of start button style before jumping in to Metro interface for Win-8! I haven't used Win8 on a PC but folks have a Surface tablet and I sure hate UI experience. I prefer to use Ubuntu/Win-7 on a lappy even it means sacrificing mobility when compared to a tablet. Of course, for basic stuff like email & internet, smartfone with 3G suffices.

My next phone will be Nexus 4 hopefully by end of this month

Getting quick updates from GOOG is nice and the simple interface is nice as well, but for practical use where I use my phone as GPS for driving navigation and my kids playing games/watching videos, it is not so good. It tends to heat up and drain the battery. Personally, I would wait for the Nexus 5. As soon as I can get rid of my Nexus 4, I will. Right now, king of battery is the Note 2. It is better than the Nexus 4, Lumia 920, iPhone 5, and Galaxy S3. Don't know about the Galaxy S4, but will find out soon.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 07 Apr 2013 00:27

Zynda wrote: My next phone will be Nexus 4 hopefully by end of this month

I bought one for my bro and one for myself.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 07 Apr 2013 00:51

Anal-e-cysts going Windows8 is dead

forget that corporate adoption follows cycles and doesn't leapfrog versions - they will jump from XP to Win7 not to Win8. Either ways to Mickey it doesn't matter becoz all its services and tools are backwards compatible with Win7 and people are not moving to OS X or Linux in a significant way to get their work done so Mickey doesn't care, just like Chacha doesn't care if the hordes are still stuck on GingerBread instead of JellyBean becoz they are still using Chacha's services which is where the money is, OS is a commodity platform. The other reason why anal-e-cysts are blowing smoke out of their mush is they are depending on data which assumes the old way Mickey used to upgrade Windows i.e. once every few years. Now Mickey switches to an annual refresh cycle across all product lines including Windows which means, its adoption behavior will be more like what one witnesses in mobile OSs such as Android rather than the old desktop Windows. By applying the same anal-e-cyst logic then JellyBean must be dead.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 07 Apr 2013 01:21

Analysts

Okay... joke aside. Is W8 a HUGE W7 like tremendous success ? Nope. But as I have said many times, even if it does worse than Vista and sells half as many licenses as Windows 7(USD 350 Million). That is a HUGE base of computing devices having winrt. They need that base to lure developers.. and once they have enough people making apps for Windows+Phone+Xbox etc.. that means MS would be the 3rd player in Phones and Tablets.

+What Raja Bose Ji said, Corporates wont upgrade everything MS releases new version. In fact even the very successful Windows 7 could not make XP dispensary.

So... can we please stop listenting to these as RajaBoseJi said "anal-e-cysts"

Raja Bose wrote:Now Mickey switches to an annual refresh cycle across all product lines including Windows which means, its adoption behavior will be more like what one witnesses in mobile OSs such as Android rather than the old desktop Windows. By applying the same anal-e-cyst logic then JellyBean must be dead.

Latest news is that they would push Windows 8.1(Blue) through Windows Update free of cost, as they don't want to fragment W8. They can sell an always connected nextXbox... but not paid upgrade to Blue.

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 07 Apr 2013 03:44

Mort Walker wrote:Personally, I would wait for the Nexus 5.

Saar, Nexus 5 is definitely another 6 months away. Using an old Samsung Nexus S currently...it sure ain't snappy on Android 4.1 JB.

Will Nexus 4's battery last 12+ hrs on some medium browsing plus apps usage? If Nexus 5 is priced similar to Nexus 4, I think I can afford to change phone again by end of this year even if I purchase N4 soon. Will offload N4 to parents

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 07 Apr 2013 06:48

^^^No. The Nexus 4 will be precariously low battery or dead at 12 hours of medium browsing and phone usage.

archan · Post by **archan** » 07 Apr 2013 07:59

I updated my GSII Skyrocket to JellyBean 4.2.2 (Cyanogenmod 10.1) ROM. I was getting pretty poor battery life, and phone would discharge 40-50% overnight while sleeping. CPU Stats showed it would go to deep sleep only 15% of the time. First thing to do: turn off location services (unless you absolutely need them).
Bought BetterBatteryStats to see what wakelocks (thanks to XDA folks) were preventing it from deep sleeping. Figured out that it was Gmail app, K9-mail app, SMS backup, and Facebook app that were hogging most of the sleep time. Got rid of all, started using the stock emil app for all three of my gmail accounts

and work email. Works well. Now I only lose maybe 2% overnight. Phone deep sleeps over 85% of the time. Maybe Nexus 4 could also benefit from these?
The phone feels fast and JB is pretty. I don't see why I would need to upgrade this phone even though it is 1.5 yrs old. There are not groundbreaking features that would compel me to GS IV etc.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 07 Apr 2013 21:36

^^^archan-ullah, think about it if the phone requires you to monitor wakelocks to get good performance, how can one expect mango abduls to use it?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 07 Apr 2013 22:09

Well depends if you want Mahdi policing the app store to let in only Kosher apps or if users want to install whatever they want and suffer consequences if they do something stupid. Like wakelocks.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 07 Apr 2013 22:41

^^Well for most users, these electronic gadgets are tools rather than a hobby or obsession. For them, mahdi policing kosher apps will be more palatable than having to tune their system and monitor wakelocks. What we forget as injineering abduls is that for most people these devices are part of their life rather than their life. Think of the mobile device as another tool like your car. Just like we can't expect mango abduls to monitor timings of their car's cylinders firing, we can't expect them to monitor some obscure system level operations for their mobile devices either. Enthusiasts are not the mainstream target market for any of these consumer devices.

Its funny how this same argument gets rinsed and re-cycled time and again for decades across all categories of CE devices.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 07 Apr 2013 23:19

Raja Bose wrote: Think of the mobile device as another tool like your car. Just like we can't expect mango abduls to monitor timings of their car's cylinders firing, we can't expect them to monitor some obscure system level operations for their mobile devices either. Enthusiasts are not the mainstream target market for any of these consumer devices.

Its funny how this same argument gets rinsed and re-cycled time and again for decades across all categories of CE devices.

Yes agreed, but the issue is can you make aftermarket modifications to your car or do I prevent it by welding the hood to the body of the car? Technically speaking, not allowing the engine compartment to be opened, fusing the radio to the body, welding the wheel covers to the axle and gluing the seat covers to the car is the best UX for an automobile. Probably will provide the best mileage, and ride comfort in the cabin. I have seen people install big wheels and tyres destroying cornering experience, or install dark leather seat covers heating up the cabin during summers. OTOH if you do want the freedom to install an aftermarket audio system, you should be prepared to see the fuse blow out.

Phones are becoming powerful and ubiquitous like computers and not just serving the purpose of making phone calls. The fact that Smartphones are decimating features phones are proof of that. Now the question is, do you want to go from "do anything, install anything" experience of PCs to "install only from these set of applications and oh, I wont let you install things like widgets" type environment? Think about it this way. If Mac applications are whitelisted, just like how FruitCo does for iOS, how much more battery life can you get out of your Macbook Air? I would guess an average user will see their battery life double! But would you want a situation like that?

I personally think that as Mobile OS'es evolve, they will implement a OS-level policy framework. If an app holds too many wakelocks, you will get a notification like "such and such app is giving you poor battery life, do you wish to uninstall". This will have the benefit of forcing App makers to be more responsible, and informing users of their actions. Some would come back and argue that presenting such a pop-up to the user is by itself a bad UX, but that is just being intellectually lazy and not thinking how such a thing can be presented without overloading the user. Think about it a different way: Do you want to employ an army of people scrutinizing and whitelisting apps that dont hold too many wakelocks or do you want to employ the same army developing OS features that informs the user of such actions in a clear and understandable way?

The right thing to do is to put users in full control, without overwhelming them with control knobs. Such a thing is possible without taking away control from them.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 07 Apr 2013 23:46

^^^The problem with the above assertion is that one assumes that mango users want full control. That assumption is incorrect. Users want full control in principle but not in practice. The reason I say that is becoz if you send a clipboard toting PYT to ask the user if they want full control/freedom of their device, they will say YES!!! FREEEDDDDOMMM!!! But when you give them that full control/freedom, that same user will go JEEEHAAARDD!!! My device doesn't "just work"! The user is the customer and one has to balance their perceived needs with their actual needs.

In the car analogy, if Mahdi's policy was equivalent to welding the hood shut, that would mean no jailbreaking would be allowed either. But that's not the case. Rather it is exactly like what we have in cars today - you can do all your custom mods but only at your own peril (i.e. original manufacturer warranty is gone if you do that) so you cannot go

to the auto manufacturer that your hiked up homeboy suspension caused your car to roll over.

The whole giving-users-full-control drama is a very engineering-centric one and has its roots back in the times when hardware engineers used to rule the roost and hacking meant hacking HW but the way the industry has evolved over the last ~30 years, we are moving away from that - that is one trend that has been consistent. In fact this trend is also what puts more computing and more forms of computing into the hands of the mango masses as opposed to specially trained operators. That is why for most folks iPhone is the world's first smartphone even though that is technically not correct.

The right thing to do is to put users in full control, without overwhelming them with control knobs. Such a thing is possible without taking away control from them.

That is the holy grail and unfortunately we are no closer to it than we were 20 years ago. HCI is a fail in this context.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 07 Apr 2013 23:53

Marten wrote:RB mullah, as an example, the ipad4 that shq uses is charged probably once a week, while the Nexus 7 has to be charged twice in the same timeframe, while the TP would have been charged at least 3/4 times. If usage were to be balanced out, the ipad is still much better than the others. As a general user with no clue about how OSs or apps should behave, my immediate judgment would be that Android sucks, and iOS is awesome.

And the question to be asked is why should the user need to have a clue about OSs and app behavior? Is it central to the utility they want out of the device? That is the reason why I used the car analogy. The car as a device is an example of not requiring the user to know the in-depth mechanics of the device they are operating while still enabling the user to get what they want out of the device. And the car's instrument cluster even in the cheapest Chini knock-off/oldest Premier Padmini is a wonderful example of good HMI design and glanceable UI.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 08 Apr 2013 00:07

I agree with Raja Bose. Control and phreedom is overstated. People are more likely to give something up when they have control over everything but things don't work well without very user specific finetuning, than when everything works but with explicit restrictions to most things. It's human tendency to get used to such restrictions. On the other hand, when everything is more customizable but harder to figure out, it leads to alienating the person from the gadget.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 08 Apr 2013 04:59

Anandtech has reviewed HTC One and gave it editors choice gold. People will all flock and buy SG4. Such a pity.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6747/htc-one-review/17

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 08 Apr 2013 09:21

^^^No removable battery and no external storage is non starter.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 08 Apr 2013 09:26

Suraj wrote:I agree with Raja Bose. Control and phreedom is overstated. People are more likely to give something up when they have control over everything but things don't work well without very user specific finetuning, than when everything works but with explicit restrictions to most things. It's human tendency to get used to such restrictions. On the other hand, when everything is more customizable but harder to figure out, it leads to alienating the person from the gadget.

WTF?

We should all vote for Kangress party and follow DPRK as they know best. Many people including myself don't want AAPL or MSFT. If GOOG follows this sort of pattern, then they too will lose.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 08 Apr 2013 09:37

Raja Bose wrote:Anal-e-cysts going Windows8 is dead forget that corporate adoption follows cycles and doesn't leapfrog versions - they will jump from XP to Win7 not to Win8. Either ways to Mickey it doesn't matter becoz all its services and tools are backwards compatible with Win7 and people are not moving to OS X or Linux in a significant way to get their work done so Mickey doesn't care, just like Chacha doesn't care if the hordes are still stuck on GingerBread instead of JellyBean becoz they are still using Chacha's services which is where the money is, OS is a commodity platform. The other reason why anal-e-cysts are blowing smoke out of their mush is they are depending on data which assumes the old way Mickey used to upgrade Windows i.e. once every few years. Now Mickey switches to an annual refresh cycle across all product lines including Windows which means, its adoption behavior will be more like what one witnesses in mobile OSs such as Android rather than the old desktop Windows. By applying the same anal-e-cyst logic then JellyBean must be dead.

It isn't the anal-cysts, but Win8 simply isn't selling like Win7 at the same point in time, why can't the Win pankha ladkas just accept that? Most all corporates don't have any intention of upgrading from Win7 to Win8.
MSFT is trying to allow Win8 to be backward compatible with applications going back to Win3.1. Others, including OS X or iOS don't do this. BTW, JB 4.1 has probably shipped on far more devices than Win8.

Once Office becomes entirely cloud based with annual subscription is when a lot of people will seriously start looking for alternatives and may give Google Docs/Drive another chance.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 08 Apr 2013 10:02

Mort Walker wrote: Many people including myself don't want AAPL or MSFT. If GOOG follows this sort of pattern, then they too will lose.

Lets put it this way - the natural tendency for most people is to be like sheep especially for things which are not central to their lives. They are willing to be 'guided' (or re-educated in glolious red Mao terms

) in such matters. That is human nature and not restricted just to CE devices but to every aspect of our lives. So folks like you who do care are in the minority. Most people don't give 2 shits about how open/free/less evil the OS of their device is, they just want it to work and then recede to the background. Plain and zimble.

Mort Walker wrote: Most all corporates don't have any intention of upgrading from Win7 to Win8.

They can't even if they want to becoz by then Windoze will be on a new version (annual refresh cycle) - from Mickey's perspective it actually makes a lot of sense becoz it avoids a situation where they sit on WinXP for years requiring armies of engineers to support that platform.

Mort Walker wrote: MSFT is trying to allow Win8 to be backward compatible with applications going back to Win3.1. Others, including OS X or iOS don't do this.

So now Mahdi requiring you to buy a new version of OS X just so that you can use the Twitter API which only works with the latest version of XCode which magically only works with the latest version of OS X, is suddenly a good thing?

Mort Walker wrote: BTW, JB 4.1 has probably shipped on far more devices than Win8.

How many devices have JB vs how many devices have GB currently in users' hands? Thats the logic anal-e-cysts are applying for Win7 vs Win8 and going Win8 is dead!!!!

By that logic, JB is dead too.

Mort Walker wrote: Once Office becomes entirely cloud based with annual subscription is when a lot of people will seriously start looking for alternatives and may give Google Docs/Drive another chance.

Before that Google Docs/Drive teams needs to get off their mush and actually build a good solid product which can compete. Till date, they have shown no inclination to do that and if Office365 doesn't light a fire under their mush, they are doomed.

Sriman · Post by **Sriman** » 08 Apr 2013 10:22

Raja Bose wrote: Lets put it this way - the natural tendency for most people is to be like sheep especially for things which are not central to their lives. They are willing to be 'guided' (or re-educated in glolious red Mao terms ) in such matters. That is human nature and not restricted just to CE devices but to every aspect of our lives. So folks like you who do care are in the minority. Most people don't give 2 shits about how open/free/less evil the OS of their device is, they just want it to work and then recede to the background. Plain and zimble.

True but this is possible in android devices as well. I'm sure millions of people are happy with android devices with default touchwiz or sense interface (or even stock android for that matter). The fact that enthusiasts can also heavily customize in no way conflicts with those who want a stock experience. I think this reflects in the growth of Android as well. In the end, it comes down to the device itself and branding. Regarding the argument about wakelocks, the battery performance on my phone with the default ROM was very good. It went down i started upgrading to newer versions of Android (which Sammy didn't push to my handset and to be fair to them the hardware on my phone isn't meant to run ICS or JB

), so i do try to figure out ways to conserve battery life. And i'm ok with it but a mango user who is still on the stock ROM (fully optimized for that hardware) will never need to resort to anything like that. So i don't really see it as a negative for Android. It can cater to both worlds. But i understand Appil or GB aren't really going to lose out much because they ignore the miniscule enthusiast community.

archan · Post by **archan** » 08 Apr 2013 10:35

SHQ has the same phone and it runs the original gingerbread with Sammy touchwiz. Works OK and battery life is decent. It is me who has the khujli of trying the latest ROMs and have to work with their eccentricities. For example, I'd get no sound in incoming or outgoing calls if I turn off GPS. I'm not going back to gingerbread or ICS for that though.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Apr 2013 11:07

has it really added much value to your lives, shifting from image to image to eke out some N% gain? are you on your phones all the time or untethered and off the electric grid for days to make charging it at home such a problem?

does it bother you that much?

Sriman · Post by **Sriman** » 08 Apr 2013 11:19

Singha wrote:has it really added much value to your lives, shifting from image to image to eke out some N% gain? are you on your phones all the time or untethered and off the electric grid for days to make charging it at home such a problem?

does it bother you that much?

In my case, i changed ROM because my phone (Galaxy S) came bundled with Eclair and T Mobile wouldn't push Froyo to the handset because they'd released a version of the phone with Froyo (and an FFC) at a higher price. The stock touchwiz interface was slow and ugly. Upgrading to a stable ROM with stock android made sense. I went all the way up to ICS but the battery drain was too much. So i've downgraded to CM7 and i'm happy with that. There is a significant performance gain compared to stock. Also when i originally upgraded, the custom ROM gave me a lot of features (like wifi tethering, improved GPS etc) which have become standard in subsequent models. My phone is the original galaxy which is a bit of a battery hog when you use 3G and screen heavily. With heavy usage, it sometimes struggles to last through the entire day so i need to look after the battery. But no regrets, it's been a phenomenal handset to use.

archan · Post by **archan** » 08 Apr 2013 11:28

I use maps often. Sometimes wake up at night while traveling in a train and check where we are if there is signal.As for value, it's a weekend hobby type thing. Makes one feel geeky to be able to do stuff like this on the phone.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 08 Apr 2013 12:46

Mort Walker wrote:WTF?

We should all vote for Kangress party and follow DPRK as they know best. Many people including myself don't want AAPL or MSFT. If GOOG follows this sort of pattern, then they too will lose.

Why this kolaveri ? You're clearly not a mango man but a power user . AAPL iGadget sales prove a restrictive walled garden approach that works is popular.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 08 Apr 2013 21:34

Mickey finally focusing on TV

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 08 Apr 2013 21:34

Raja Bose wrote:How many devices have JB vs how many devices have GB currently in users' hands?

Uncle Fester claims about 4.46 million total by end of 4Q2012, but let's be generous and say 10 million by end of 1Q2013.
JB devices are 23% of all Android devices out of 500 million activations = 115 million.

So, if JB is a failure, then we should also include iOS 6.0 as a failure too.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 08 Apr 2013 21:51

Mort Walker wrote: So, if JB is a failure, then we should also include iOS 6.0 as a failure too.

Exactly - hence, get the fallacy of the anal-e-cyst logic?

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 09 Apr 2013 01:05

Raja Bose wrote:
Mort Walker wrote: So, if JB is a failure, then we should also include iOS 6.0 as a failure too.
Exactly - hence, get the fallacy of the anal-e-cyst logic?

Except that Win8 sales are really lack luster, so anal-cysts are right to a point. This morning I just recommended to a fellow engineer to get a Win8 laptop with a Win7 downgrade (but that was only after I suggested he get a MB Pro in the first place).

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 09 Apr 2013 01:46

Mort Walker wrote:^^^No removable battery and no external storage is non starter.

That argument never works for the iPhunwa. And those won't be the reasons for which the S4 will outsell the HTC One. Keep in mind that the base version of the HTC One comes with 32GB internal memory and AFAIK, is priced at $50 less on contract than the 16GB version of the S4.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 09 Apr 2013 01:59

Mort Walker wrote:
Raja Bose wrote: Exactly - hence, get the fallacy of the anal-e-cyst logic?

Except that Win8 sales are really lack luster, so anal-cysts are right to a point.

By the same anal-e-cysts logic, JB sales have been lackluster too, compared to ICS hence, JB is dead.

Two things I have learned about anal-e-cysts are:
(1) They love to state the obvious and claim they were visionary.
(2) They have no clue.

Otherwise they would have asked themselves the obvious question, if Win8 is indeed dead, how does it really affect Mickey? And Mickey can turn off the Win7 tap and force businesses to upgrade, just like FruitCo does every year. But it doesn't becoz it doesn't need to. And if it did, businesses are not gonna jump to OS X or Linux in an instant either, they will just upgrade to Win8. The rationale of Mickey for Windoze is the same as Chacha's for Android - they are both platforms to push services, thats where the money is nowadays. This is a trend where commoditization occurs bottom up from the HW to system software to mango apps etc. Now the question is, then why does Mickey charge for Windoze? The simple answer is, becoz it can. Unlike Chacha's Android where making the core OS license free was key to attracting all the OHA partners to ditch their incumbent legacy OSs and getting widespread adoption, Windoze already has widespread adoption with a strong legacy base.

James B · Post by **James B** » 09 Apr 2013 02:04

Installed Windows 8 on Mac OSX. Enjoying it. Not going back to Windows 7.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 09 Apr 2013 02:08

If we look at desktop/laptop OS comparison Win8 is not where Win7 or Vista was after it was released. Windoze is a necessary evil, the UX is not pleasant, but we have no choice due to running all legacy applications and IT dept. applications.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 09 Apr 2013 02:14

That's the point - it doesn't need to be. That comparison is an academic one which is what the anal-e-cysts don't seem to get. If they did, they would ask themselves the question I mentioned above. Any OS which has dominated in terms of scale of adoption will never be the one with the best UX whether it is Windoze, Android or back in the non-touch days, Symbian.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 09 Apr 2013 02:44

Mort Walker wrote:If we look at desktop/laptop OS comparison Win8 is not where Win7 or Vista was after it was released. Windoze is a necessary evil, the UX is not pleasant, but we have no choice due to running all legacy applications and IT dept. applications.

Exactly, Microsoft KNOWS that they can take this risk... no matter what people say but Windows will still sell and keep its share. And from MS pOV this is necessary evil in order to promote winrt. And I don't know why people forget that they have done this in past: MSDos to Windows. People had similar reaction with new UX... but stayed for same reason you stated. But then people started to like the new UX lot more than DOS.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 09 Apr 2013 03:22

Blue state: Microsoft's tricky strategy to strike back against Apple and Google. Can Redmond rethink 30 years of corporate culture to pull this off?

Covers some stuff I might have mentioned about Mickey before such as culture change, upgrade cycle ityadi....