Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

sadhana · Post by **sadhana** » 07 Apr 2013 21:26

Ouch

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... ndela.html

Why Pakistan's Mohammed Ali Jinnah Was No Nelson Mandela
by Kapil Komireddi Apr 7, 2013

Rafia’s argument is this: had Mohammed Ali Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, lived longer, his creation might have matured into South Asia’s South Africa, a pluralistic state, rather than descending into what it is today: a procrustean hell.

The belief that it was Jinnah’s premature death, rather than his wilful conduct during the last years of his life, that caused Pakistan to fail is shared widely by that country’s liberals. Like so much else in Pakistan, it’s an idea sustained by self-deception.

How exactly was Jinnah “inspiring” people? A letter Jinnah received from the Himalayan town of Mussoorie, written by a young man called Zulfi Bhutto, gives us an idea. “Hindus,” it read, “are the deadliest enemies of our Koran and our Prophet.” Did Jinnah believe that preaching hate would beget love?

Good work by author!

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 07 Apr 2013 22:14

Well it was Jinnah who first organized "tribal raiders" (who would be called taliban these days) for the first organized terror attack in JK. He was also the one who called for "direct action"

The illustrious example has been repeated to this day. "Tribal raiders" would be repeated in Operation Gibraltar in 65 and Kargil. The direct action day is repeated to this day in various parts of Pakistan where people are getting purified.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 07 Apr 2013 22:38

One more thing, I dont know if you fellows know this, but the returning officers asking such pious questions and disqualifying people are actually judges from lower courts.

The fellows imposing sharia on election candidates are actually judges. So there is bright hope for a greener Pakistan.

disha · Post by **disha** » 07 Apr 2013 22:59

^^^ AoA to that! May more green bloom in bakistan.

For the wine-sipping, beardless bakis, they should buy and believe in the book on Jinnah. They are delusional anyway, some more delusion will actually help.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 07 Apr 2013 23:06

I'm cutting loose in the comments section on the Komireddi article on Daily Beast

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 07 Apr 2013 23:43

disha · Post by **disha** » 07 Apr 2013 23:46

JE Menon wrote:...Can anyone see any downside in this, from the Indian perspective? Anyway, all these Western media wallahs and think-tank wallahs are continually complaining that India lacks a strategic culture. Maybe this will do to show them we are trying to change?

+1., and I am for taking a step further (and have said that before)., that is India should declare that it will not use nukes on bakistan et al. More damage can be brought on by MOABs/FOABs etc.

Coupled with ICBMs and Nukes against a nation that will not retaliate in nukes and only conventionally, the cognitive dissonance will be high and easily the nukes can be pointed to say turdland (the erstwhile colonial power). Let the turdlander's negotiate peace after curtailing all flights to bakistan.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Apr 2013 23:51

Tirah valley operation intensifies, 23 soldiers killed

Sunfryday=When Fryday Comes on Sunday

ESHAWAR: A decisive operation has been launched against militants in the Tirah valley of Bara by Special Services Groups (SSG) forces along with regular troops, during which at least 23 troops have been killed along with local lashkar men.Scores of militants have also been killed in the offensive during the last three days.Official sources confirmed to Dawn.com that several soldiers, including SSG commandos, have been killed in the battle for Tirah valley on Saturday, around 30 militants have also been confirmed dead along with scores of others injured.On late Sunday evening, a clash took place between security forces and militants in Akka Khel area of Bara tehsil. Ten militants were killed in the fighting, official sources said.Sources said that SSG commandos along with regular army troops and Frontier Corps are battling to root out the last pockets of resistance in the Tirah valley especially on the border of Orakzai Agency.
The landlocked area is reported to be a bastion of the banned Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and other foreign militants.The offensive has entered a crucial phase, after softening of targets by gunships and jet fighters.Ground troops along with local volunteers have been mobilised to clear the area.Security experts had already hinted at a decisive strike in the Tirah valley as the TTP and Lashkar-i-Islam had started consolidating their positions in the valley.The two groups pose a serious threat to the settled areas especially Peshawar.The FC media cell had confirmed on Friday that four soldiers were killed and over 14 militants had died in the clashes which have been continuing since then.Sources have confirmed to Dawn.com that one dead body of an SSG commando and six injured SSG soldiers along with eight other solders were shifted to the CMH Peshawar on Saturday.Artillery and mortar shelling has also intensified as troops have started an advance march and door-to-door offensive to clear pockets of resistance.The former secretary of security for FATA region and an expert on tribal affairs, Brigadier Mehmood Shah speaking to Dawn.com said that Tirah would become a headache for the Pakistan administration if it is not cleared of militants.He said that militants from Khyber Agency’s Bara area and the Dara Admakhel TTP have also shifted their operational base to Tirah valley as they consider it to be a safer place to regroup.
He added that if Tirah valley is left unattended, it would become even more dangerous than South Waziristan Agency.The recent clashes between the Ansarul Islam (AI) and the TTP, also supported by the Lashkar-i-Islam (LI), had left many fighters dead on both sides, providing a conducive environment for security forces to launch a major offensive.Another factor which might help the security forces this time is the internal rift in the TTP after the death of its commander Tariq Afridi.Following the death of Tariq Afridi, the Central TTP and Afridi’s own faction both have appointed their own chiefs.This indicates widening rifts between the Hakimullah-led militants and Tariq Afridi’s loyalists who suspect that the TTP central commander was responsible for Afridi’s murder.The central TTP nominated Umer Khalifa while the Afridi faction nominated Zubair alias ‘Kaka’ as their chief.But widening difference clearly surfaced after the two factions were unable to consolidate their positions.The TTP-AI fight has made things more difficult for the TTP in Tirah valley.The TTP spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan has repeatedly blamed security forces of backing the AI while he has also refused to accept the Dara Adamkhel Taliban chief Zaubair.Security forces may benefit from the discontent and can take the TTP factions separately who are already at odds with each other.

disha · Post by **disha** » 07 Apr 2013 23:52

harbans wrote:^From the mountains of Western Afghanistan they can target cities in South and East India with MIRV capability once they have the tech. That leaves absolutely no corner of India free. Possibly they can decrease range and increase payload for the same targets from NW Pakistan itself. It's not that they don't have missiles presently to reach targets in South and East, but they do have limited payload facilities, no MIRV tech, good possibility of endo/exo atmospheric interception by defense systems. I think wisdom always warns against arming an enemy that is hell bent on ones destruction.

Since their missiles are better than ours, and more road mobile - they can do so even now. What stops them? Green paint? The point is in bakistan one needs a pro-ummah crusader believing government and not anti-India. They should be told that they have won everything but lost in crusades - let the beast look outwards.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 07 Apr 2013 23:57

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... ndela.html
Why Pakistan's Mohammed Ali Jinnah Was No Nelson Mandela
by Kapil Komireddi Apr 7, 2013

The turd's real target is Modi, not Jinnah.

Hindu nationalists agitating for the creation of a Hindu state are in fact paying a tribute to Jinnah, the most successful proponent of majoritarian politics in modern India’s history. Narendra Modi is nothing if not the most consummate Hindu avatar of Mohammed Ali Jinnah. His dream is to complete the journey that Jinnah started us on. Jinnah said Hindus and Muslims don’t belong together: Modi agrees.

Indians who today oppose Modi are followers of Indians who opposed Jinnah in another time: pluralists, humanists, adherents of the inclusive nationalism of Nehru.

disha · Post by **disha** » 08 Apr 2013 00:14

Varunji' for bakis - Modi is satan personified. Equating Modi with Jinnah is sure to cause cognitive dissonance among bakis. At the same time, K Komireddi went far in his portrayal of Modi.

So pick your poison, somebody showing a mirror to pukis? Or somebody showing their ignorance while showing the mirror?

IMO, KK did a good job., a better job would be to equate Jinnah with Allah pasand. Anyway the original point is he was taken away early?

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 08 Apr 2013 00:20

JE Menon wrote:I'm cutting loose in the comments section on the Komireddi article on Daily Beast

Saw that comment section. I have seen some spin but mashallah the one by KTShamim, takes the cake. Glad you cut that rubbish down.

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 08 Apr 2013 00:24

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/0 ... WHEXzceg98

That this has come in Japan times is interesting...seems some fellas are beginning to get some sense.. hmmm

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 08 Apr 2013 00:52

http://www.english.rfi.fr/asia-pacific/ ... conspiracy

France charges Pakistan deportees with terror conspiracy.

http://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.a ... anguage=en

And gas pipeline blown up in jannatland to ensure more power to the peepul.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 08 Apr 2013 01:36

The humanist, casteless ideals of Islam are well represented by Saudia's penal compensation system. Unless of course compensating human beings according to their religion and station is not caste.

I think Pakistanis need instruction in logic if not rhetoric. I mean that sincerely. It is tiresome to read some of their mindless Islamic fantasies.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 08 Apr 2013 01:53

Pakistan may use LeT for proxy war in Kashmir: US report

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 08 Apr 2013 01:53

^^^
Color me surprised! No shit sherlock!

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 08 Apr 2013 02:03

RSoami wrote:http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/0 ... WHEXzceg98

That this has come in Japan times is interesting...seems some fellas are beginning to get some sense.. hmmm

Pakistan is found on the basis of Islam, Pakistan and Islam are synonyms (even if it is blasphemy in itself). Only idiotic nations find what is happening in Pakistan, surprising/confusing/disturbing/etc.,

All Pakistan needs is more Islam. PEC is doing its little bit.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 08 Apr 2013 02:05

Anujan wrote:^^^
Color me surprised! No shit sherlock!

Anujanullah,

This will be a surprising information to Indian PMO. But now that the information came from their masters, Moorkh Minority Slave might stop reading Paki news paper to force Pakistan to stop cross border terrorism.

James B · Post by **James B** » 08 Apr 2013 02:57

CJP withdraws himself from Musharraf treason case

Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry will not be heading the bench hearing the petitions seeking prosecution of former military ruler General (retd) Pervez Musharraf for treason, DawnNews reported.

dawn.com/2013/04/07/cjp-withdraws-himself-from-musharraf-treason-case/

James B · Post by **James B** » 08 Apr 2013 03:22

Gas pipeline blown up in Balochistan

An 18-inch Sui gas pipeline was blown up in the early hours of Sunday in the Uch area of Balochistan, DawnNews reported.

According to the report, the explosion suspended gas supply to the Uch power plant in Balochistan causing a reduction of more than 525 megawatts of power generation.

As a result, electricity supply in many areas in Lahore and Punjab has been shelved.

dawn.com/2013/04/07/gas-pipeline-blown-up-in-balochistan/

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 08 Apr 2013 03:27

Anujan wrote:One more thing, I dont know if you fellows know this, but the returning officers asking such pious questions and disqualifying people are actually judges from lower courts.

The fellows imposing sharia on election candidates are actually judges. So there is bright hope for a greener Pakistan.

Me thinks all this apparent sifting of contestants for their required levels of Islamicness is an elaborate Dog and Pony show being orchestrated by all the parties in Pakiland as an insurance against attacks by TTP.
This is the reason IMO that there are no bigwigs from the political parties complaining openly about this farce.

Remember Jamhooriat by itself is a totally Haraam concept for TTP.
MQM,ANP and PPP rallies are to be especially careful as cautioned by TTP in the video.
Mushrat and his PML Q is the one in most danger.

The gamble seems to be that - TTP now being faced with the prospect of targeting contestants who have "proved" their Islamicness will choose to not mount violent attacks on processions and rallies of the contestants as it will risk alienating the stragglers (which is the bulk of paki population) from its movement in the long term - a movement to achieve Sharia by an "Islamically sanctioned" means .

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 08 Apr 2013 03:30

JE Menon wrote:I'm cutting loose in the comments section on the Komireddi article on Daily Beast

It is quite a pisko entertainment in itself. Earlier it used to be "Poor Indians who make less than $1 a day" and "We are TFTAs onlee and can do Ghazwa-e-Behind and rule for a 1000 years" to now "we can kill you and ourselves using nukes".

I mean not long back, "You are just like us" from SDREs to TFTAs used to annoy them to no end, and now "You are just like us" from TFTAs to SDREs pisses us off to no end. Not sure if we have to be sad about it or happy about it

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 08 Apr 2013 03:32

CJP withdraws himself from Musharraf treason case

This actually may be more bad news for Musharraf, since the idea is to make the trial look impartial. CJ will operate behind the scene!

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 08 Apr 2013 03:36

Lilo wrote: The gamble seems to be that - TTP now being faced with the prospect of targeting contestants who have "proved" their Islamicness will choose to not mount violent attacks on processions and rallies of the contestants as it will risk alienating the stragglers (which is the bulk of paki population) from its movement in the long term - a movement to achieve Sharia by an "Islamically sanctioned" means .

You are right in the sense that it could be a dog and pony show, but this is not likely the case I think due to two reasons.

1. TTP has never hesitated in attacking those it deemed as unislamic. Even the pious bearded Fazlur Rehman had a few attempts on his life from the TTP! They dont care for dog and pony shows, they only care about shade of green.

2. The judiciary in Paki land is in the forefront of being pious and green. The jernails may swill whiskey, the politicians may have mistresses but the judiciary/lawyers are the ones who free terrorists, convict people on blasphemy, garland qadris, pass judgements that the prime minister is not a good muslim (their supreme court actually did that!). They are at the forefront of piety and will be the first to impose sharia and pass judgements based on sharia. So this is not a show, they are actually that pious.

That is why I have high hopes for Pakistan. I think it should be governed by a guardian council just like Iran. I mean it is clear that Army rule is bad for Pakistan. It is also clear that the politicians cannot serve Pakistan well. That leaves only the Judiciary/Mullahs.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 08 Apr 2013 03:46

Monday, April 08, 2013

Raja out of race as scrutiny of nomination papers ends

* Ch Nisar’s papers rejected from Taxila
* Musharraf allowed to contest polls from Chitral
* Asif Hashmi, Imtiaz Safdar Warraich, Dasti barred from contesting polls

Staff Report

ISLAMABAD/LAHORE: The second phase of scrutiny of electoral nomination papers came to an end on Sunday, with the rejection of nomination papers of some bigwigs in Rawalpindi and Islamabad, particularly former prime minister Raja Pervez Ashraf.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2013_pg1_2

brat · Post by **brat** » 08 Apr 2013 03:56

^^ Judicial coup d'état in the making i guess

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 08 Apr 2013 04:00

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tacks.html

The CIA allegedly negotiated with Pakistani intelligence to kill a Pakistan state enemy in exchange for the U.S. receiving access to the country's airspace for the start of their controversial drone campaign.

New York Times national security correspondent Mark Mazzetti suggests in his new book that the CIA agreed to a secret deal with Pakistan to execute a drone attack in June 2004 that killed Nek Muhammad, a Pashtun tribesman in Waziristan. That operation served as an initiation test of sorts and allowed the CIA drone program. According to officials, the American government presented the Pakistanis with an offer, 'If the C.I.A. killed Mr. Muhammad, would the ISI [Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence] allow regular armed drone flights over the tribal areas?'

Ofcourse killing Nek Mohammed brought in Baitullah and Hakeemullah. A load of good that did to Paki army. No wonder Pakis insist that drone attacks dont work

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Apr 2013 04:16

Anujan wrote:Well it was Jinnah who first organized "tribal raiders" (who would be called taliban these days) for the first organized terror attack in JK. He was also the one who called for "direct action"
The illustrious example has been repeated to this day. "Tribal raiders" would be repeated in Operation Gibraltar in 65 and Kargil. The direct action day is repeated to this day in various parts of Pakistan where people are getting purified.

Going by the actions and consequences, only leader Jinnah can compared with is good old Dr Idi Amin. Ido Man have the luck to live good religious life right next in Mecca. Jinnah actually buld a new Medina in Pakistan.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Apr 2013 05:23

James B wrote:CJP withdraws himself from Musharraf treason case ruler General (retd) Pervez Musharraf for treason, DawnNews reported.

That is surprising. The last time around, when his son's dealings with Malik Riaz came to the fore, the CJP quickly inserted himself in the proceedings and was adamant that his presence would not be a violation because he was a good Muslim. He had to be persuaded for some time before he withdrew.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 08 Apr 2013 05:46

Has Birkin babe been approved to participate in the elections, or was she barred for having the wrong brand of kufr handbag ?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 Apr 2013 06:00

Jhujar wrote:Tirah valley operation intensifies, 23 soldiers killed

The dead militants killed by Pakistani soldiers must have families, wives, children, parents, siblings who are now grieving, and ready to avenge their deaths. Just wondering where these dead militants could have come from. Mars? India? Israel?

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 08 Apr 2013 06:02

Suraj wrote:Has Birkin babe been approved to participate in the elections, or was she barred for having the wrong brand of kufr handbag ?

She withdrew because she couldn't produce her marriage certificate.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 08 Apr 2013 06:04

Suraj wrote:Has Birkin babe been approved to participate in the elections, or was she barred for having the wrong brand of kufr handbag ?

She withdrew after being asked to produce her Nikah nama

http://www.thefrontierpost.com/article/3795/
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2013/04 ... nikahnama/

So in case you are interested, the line is clear.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 Apr 2013 06:10

http://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com/201 ... WIVXNfI9ok

By Abuser Ilyass

Operation started in Tirah Valley. The Army surrounded the area from all sides and all supply lines of militants are nullified. Heavy mortars and artillery are doing their job and dozens of militants are being killed every 24 hours. 18000 families left the area, clearing the battlefield for the Pakistan Army. The Pakistan Air Force is also helping the army to attack those militants that are not in range of the artillery barrage. Army sources said that they have intensified the operations and rapid conclusions and clearances are in transaction, and that the operation is hoped to have ended before the general elections.
The areas of Tirah contain steep mountains and caves in them. Those caves are safe havens and arms depots of TTP. It is located between Khyber and Kurram Agencies and it is strategically important for militants as well as the Pakistani Armed Forces to gain that area. Reports are coming that SSG is also involved in the operation, and we all know that every operation in the past that involved SSG was of much importance. The steep mountains of the area are the biggest problem for the troops; but our guys, too, are tough enough to conquer any battlefield. (Anyone remember 1965, 1971, Siachen, Kargil? }The Pakistan Army’s main strategy will be the use of their capability of rapidness here. Our Companies will conquer militants’ hideouts one after the other without allowing them proper time to regroup.

The main supporter and host group of TTP in this area is Lashkar e Islam of Mangal Bagh. I don’t know who the commander of LeI is these days, but Mangal Bagh was killed in the Battle of Swat by the Pakistan Army. The whole of Khyber Agency has small or large peace lashkars (groups) that uses to defend their respective areas against militants. The tribal peace lashkar in Tirah Valley is Ansar ul Islam, and many of the deadliest clashes occurred between Ansar ul Islam and Tehreek e Taliban Pakistan (TTP). The Pakistan Army is supporting the tribals of Ansar ul Islam against TTP by providing cover and by providing artillery assistance to the tribal fighters. PAF jets are using precision guided munitions and pinpoint accuracy Air to Surface Missiles (ASMs), and are pounding militants’ hideouts in the valley and on the mountains.

We saw a fierce fighting between the Pakistani Army and the militants in Kurram and Orakzai in the past few months, and now the areas along with South Waziristan Agency are also cleared; but this particular portion -in between the South regions of SWA, Kurram and Orakzai and North regions of SWAT, Khyber, Malankand etc- is untouched since the early days. We have a strong hope that after the operation, the area from SWAT to South Waziristan Agency will be cleared from militants. We all pray for the success of the Pakistan Army. Also, we greatly respect the inhabitants of those areas which are affected by the militants and who are openly supporting the Pakistani Armed Forces.

Allahoackburrrr!! Who are they fighting? Martians? Hindus? Jews?

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 08 Apr 2013 06:14

Anujan wrote:
Suraj wrote:Has Birkin babe been approved to participate in the elections, or was she barred for having the wrong brand of kufr handbag ?
She withdrew after being asked to produce her Nikah nama
http://www.thefrontierpost.com/article/3795/
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2013/04 ... nikahnama/

So in case you are interested, the line is clear.

'covering candidate'! thanks Anujan and Nandu!

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 08 Apr 2013 06:15

@ Shiv ^^^

"Allahoackburrrr!! Who are they fighting? Martians? Hindus? Jews?"

The Martian Races

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 08 Apr 2013 06:18

Anujan wrote: Has Birkin babe been approved to participate in the elections, or was she barred for having the wrong brand of kufr handbag ?

Maybe she should be renamed the Merkin Babe (look it up)

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 08 Apr 2013 07:09

Cosmo_R wrote:
Anujan wrote: Has Birkin babe been approved to participate in the elections, or was she barred for having the wrong brand of kufr handbag ?
Maybe she should be renamed the Merkin Babe (look it up)

Does a pre-op tranny need merkin ?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Apr 2013 07:57

Cosmo_R wrote:@ Shiv ^^^
"Allahoackburrrr!! Who are they fighting? Martians? Hindus? Jews?"
The Martian Races

This is the fight between the Muanfqqins only, Lets hope they dont give quarter to each other to prove who is the greenest meanest fllenested Mujahid. Jannat is guaranteed to both parties. Hoors will be divided over odd and even numbers for Dumbers. Paki army have become the sword of Kuffar nou . The ultimate destiny for the race of Nauqars.