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Vipin_Upadhyay wrote:
Sanku wrote:This is the precise problem, half the Hindus wont vote for BJP because BJP is not Hindu enough and half wont because it takes up HIndu causes and not only development.
My objection is against brushing under carpet, the mistake of BJP going away from Hindutva & lecture us Hindus that oh look if you idol worshippers Hindus won't vote BJP then you are stoopid because alternative is worst i.e.CONparty, this is exactly what Congis & Sickulars do when they ask for Islamist vote bank.
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Correct this is the exact reverse mobilization that is needed, and I don't know if its stupid, because if you didn't notice, they are winning and Hindus are losing. We are losing land, we are losing women, we are losing wealth. And even if it is stupid, if looking stupid helps solve the problem. I am first in the queue. Consolidate or perish.

Of course you can sit and pray and hope for Lord Kalki to come. But somehow I dont think thats a valid purushartha.
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anchal wrote:And Modi clearly identifies the CON chamchas. For example, he did mock NDTV that the channel primarily runs on Save Tiger campaign or whether lions were communal enough to not be saved

He also took a jibe on Rajdeep saying where Sagarika is and then adding she will tweet her views

Overall, not the all conforming, foregiving demeanor of ABV. Terrifying times for Modi bashing industry ahead. Juggernaut rolls on, the nation awaits!
That was awesome. tigers are secular and Lions are communal.
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Sushupti wrote:‏@mediacrooks 3m
Whats @ndtv come to? People are fighting over the sabotaging of #Feku on Twitter...Who would have thought SM will dictate their agenda? LOL!
HA HA HA HA ... this is sad and pathetic. The mornos will argue now since NaMo fans hijacked #FeKu, Modi is a dictator/hijacker. So he can't be PM.

This is how disgusting and ridiculous the so called intellectual dumbos (that includes idiots like Guha) and their shallow thoughts.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 439435.cms
Private jet carrying Rajnath, Arun Jaitley, Sushma Swaraj makes emergency landing

Could be a warning by the MAFIA to fall in line or else ...
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^^^

They should be careful not be on the same plane at the same time.
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imo they should use scheduled commercial flights onlee. these small scale operators of pvt jets and pvt helicopters can be a tad shaky when push comes to shove. sure it will be slower, but beats being a statistic.

...and keep an eye out for wayward trucks on the highways.
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http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2 ... hul_speaks
As a result, we now know at least three things. First, for somebody who has been groomed to take a leading role in politics for his entire life, Mr Gandhi still looks woefully ill-prepared. It could be his own fault, or a failure of a team that surrounds him. Either way, his strategy at the event was strangely revealing.

Attending a business lobby, in the midst of a sharp economic slowdown, when the confidence of Indian and foreign investors is plummeting, he should have come with a plan. Ideally he should have sought to bolster Indian businesses' confidence, to get them investing, believing in rapid growth around the corner.

A sensible plan for the day would have been to reassure Indian business that promoting rapid economic growth is again a priority. Mr Gandhi could have spelled out two or three specific measures, ideally in some detail, that he would support—for example, getting an Indian-wide goods-and-services tax accepted; promoting investment in retail or other industries; or devising a means by which infrastructure could be built much quicker. If he were really brave, he might have set out thoughts on ending bureaucratic uncertainty over corruption, or on land reform.

Instead Mr Gandhi offered a range of thoughts, some earnest, many well-meaning, some apparently irrelevant and some waffle. He discussed India’s soft power abroad (evidence: yoga is popular in New York; Indian film stars are recognised in Spanish nightclubs), waxed at length on the virtues of Indian “complexity” versus foreigners’ “simplicity” and indirectly admitted that India is a terrible place in which to do business. At one point, to bemusement in the audience, he argued that if you can succeed in business in India then you will flourish anywhere, “even on the moon”. India, after two terms of Congress rule, evidently does not have the conditions right for its economy to flourish.

Second, Mr Gandhi has some interesting thoughts on India’s political system and the need for even greater devolution of power, and an unshakeable belief in democracy. Much of this was irrelevant if he was trying to promote himself as a decisive leader. But then it is not clear that he is. He repeatedly asserted that “one man on a horse” cannot save India, or that he “does not matter” as a leader, or that he is not a “hard-nosed politician” (he thinks they are sad), or that India needs to hear the voices of a “billion people”. How many times can he say, openly or not, that he has no wish to be a politician, before voters and others take him at his word?

Mr Gandhi spoke in greatest detail about getting much more decision-making shifted to the “third tier” of Indian politics, in effect to the level of panchayats, the unit of village administration. Too much of the time of the national and state parliamentarians, the 5,000 people or so who run India’s legislatures, is wasted on hyper-local matters, he says. Once local politicians have more power, somehow (he was a hazy about the means) the various energies of a billion-plus Indians will be released, and generate growth and development.

Perhaps structural reform of that sort would benefit India. Mr Gandhi wants a debate on that, and also to discuss how constitutional reform might bring about other gains. But would it really help to reduce corruption, speed decision-making, improve national policymaking? Would it do much to cut poverty quicker and create jobs? It looks to be a strange subject for Mr Gandhi to make his own, when voters face a lot of other pressing worries. Possibly it is a hangover from his years spent (to little result) trying to rejig the youth wing of the Congress party. But for business, his audience at the CII, hearing that more political power could be shifted to the villages may be an unsettling message. Is India’s problem too much centralisation of power, as Mr Gandhi argues, or rather too little effective decision-making and implementation, across the board?

Third, Mr Gandhi has some rather hostile views of China. He dismissed the big neighbour, with its immense economy and successful development as a “simplistic place”, and a “dragon”. He cited a story in which a Chinese bus driver ran over a pedestrian and drove away, presumably to show the lack of accountability there. (In India such accidents of course happen too, and sometimes mob violence is the result).

By contrast India, he suggests, is a “beehive”, complex and busy, but in the end rather robust. (Mr Gandhi’s parable of the bees, incidentally, appears to be different from the one favoured by Adam Smith). He mentioned, too, that China applies power in a blunt, obvious way. By contrast India applies power in a gentle, soft and supportive way, which he believes will be more successful in the long run.

In all it was Mr Gandhi who sounded rather simplistic about China. Anyone in the room might have pointed out China’s stunning successes in cutting poverty, improving health, promoting manufacturing and jobs, building infrastructure, and so on. Perhaps Mr Gandhi, who is fond of travelling inside India and talking to migrant workers, the poor and ordinary voters, would also benefit from a trip to China, to understand how much faster India needs to run, if it is to have a chance of exerting the sort of energy that Mr Gandhi sees in its future.
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Pratyush wrote:This is a false flag operation to show RG as a nice guy. Remember that the IAF chose the Jaguar at the end of the day.
And would you believe if I tell you that first choice of IAF was in fact Viggen?
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the viggen certainly had more payload, speed, less wing loading and equal in dispersed ops (swedish philosophy) and high sink rate landing to get into highways near forests. I think it also had a thrust reverser behind the vertical fin to back itself like the c17 does.

what nuked that deal? I was in class2 in 1982.

look at how the plane slams down here..would break the back of a lesser beast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIErhm2y7wY
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‘Incorruptible’ in WikiLeaks, Narendra Modi smiles

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/-inco ... s/766153/0
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That is his biggest weakness which enemies dread.
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imo Namo should ignore such cables and avoid seeking validation from external "monkeys" like the US. that will make him and his supporter easier to manipulate.
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RoyG wrote:This speech was indeed a game changer. Congress will get more dangerous as they will have nothing to lose if this keeps up.
I missed this speech (watching live part). However, NCP made a statement that they are okay to work with NaMo. Though they are asking him to change the way he works. That is the way things will slowly come. He just needs to stick to governance only while talking. No Hindutva stuff for now and after win can do a lot to those things that are close to sangh's supporters heart.
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Sushupti wrote:@amishra77 1m

Interesting to note that Raghav Bahal will host #ThinkIndia and NOT @sardesairajdeep.
modi is allergic to turdeep :D
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Sushupti wrote:‘Incorruptible’ in WikiLeaks, Narendra Modi smiles

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/-inco ... s/766153/0
While delighting in Owen's praise, Modi reacted to this part of the cable too, saying he needed "no lesson" on human rights from the US.

The CM claimed that at a meeting with Owen in 2006, he had "looked into Owen's eyes and said America should not give us advice on human rights. I am a son of India and I know what human rights violations you have done."
true or false this is truly awesome. have not seen any politician say this to the dense heads of sooper poower.
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Image

this surely hurts the congi MNREGA paid activists
:rotfl: :((
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chetak wrote:modi is allergic to turdeep :D
Raghav Bahl and Jagannathan are both strong economic right-wing proponents, as was obvious from the panel discussion post the Modi Q&A. That accounts for their pro-Modi stance.

Sardesai and his wife are both left of center...Bahl really needs to get rid of them if he wants to advance his center-right agenda.
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RajeshA wrote:Shri Narendra Modi addressing Network 18 Think India Dialogue on April 08, 2013

Left, Right and Center are western approaches of imagining Indian politics.
It would be better not to juxtapose these non-Indic concepts in our politics.
I don't know why people keep interpreting Indian politics in these terms (including Behel).

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Virendra
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Muppalla wrote:
RoyG wrote:This speech was indeed a game changer. Congress will get more dangerous as they will have nothing to lose if this keeps up.
I missed this speech (watching live part). However, NCP made a statement that they are okay to work with NaMo. Though they are asking him to change the way he works. That is the way things will slowly come. He just needs to stick to governance only while talking. No Hindutva stuff for now and after win can do a lot to those things that are close to sangh's supporters heart.
NCP is diverting attention away from pawar's urine
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Human rights stuff - That is brutally straight bat.
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krisna wrote:Image

this surely hurts the congi MNREGA paid activists
:rotfl: :((
look at the bare feet of hard working woman and designer shoes of the Prince.

The #Feku did not think of inclusiveness at that time! Should have at least got her a cheap shoe
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Any links available to the press conference that ensued after Mr Narendra Modi left the venue? Would like that discussion embedded on here for the sake of continuity. TIA.
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Prince only wears lotto shoes probably, being a italian brand.
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Guys what happened to Seema Goswami? Saw here anti-Modi tweets. I thought she wasn't pseudo-secularist type and was with Kanchan gupta etc.
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sudarshan wrote:So the #feku campaign backfired? Delicious irony, and just reinforces my view that Modi so far has been like the Narayanastra released by Ashwatthama. The more you oppose the Narayanastra, the more strength it will gain. Resistance is not an option. The only way to survive the wave is to surrender to it. But is that something the die nasty can afford to do? Hmm.
Just a nitpic...

Aswathama unleashed "Brahmasironamakastra", not Narayanastra on Pandavas. Secondly he was one of the Adharmics in Mahabharata war, for he killed children and sleeping etc.,
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kittoo wrote:Guys what happened to Seema Goswami? Saw here anti-Modi tweets. I thought she wasn't pseudo-secularist type and was with Kanchan gupta etc.
I dont think Seema Goswami was ever with Kanchan Gupta. She works for HT. We all know what that means.
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Sanku wrote:
kittoo wrote:Guys what happened to Seema Goswami? Saw here anti-Modi tweets. I thought she wasn't pseudo-secularist type and was with Kanchan gupta etc.
I dont think Seema Goswami was ever with Kanchan Gupta. She works for HT. We all know what that means.
She is also wife of Vir Sanghvi....QED
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Some of these vedic weapons have uncanny resemblances to modern atomic and chemical weapons.
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At Network 18 Think India Dialogue, NaMo was just as lethal. Gave a broad policy sweep on governance. A must watch video. Basically he is now using the same MSM to cause real damage to any chance of INC returning.

When NaMo speaks, everybody gets enthused. Basically all those with television sets in India need only watch a single program around him and they know that he is something different than the rest of the politicians.

INC really have nobody to throw at him. Some in INC who may come into question as far as some knowledge on matters of economics and governance is concerned, may not be that good in Hindi - the language one would need to speak, at least at the time of elections.
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^^ IBN speech was live on all channels of network 18 including recently acquired eenadu.
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Looks like NM is going for carpet bombing. He is due to speak in Kolkata next.
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The great thing is he brings in more and more anecdotes every time from his experience in Gujarat. For everything there is "ek cchota sa udharan"!

So how is Pappu going to give Udharans - is he going to tell about some experience from a Spanish disco?
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Arjun wrote: She is also wife of Vir Sanghvi....QED
Is? or was?
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Arjun wrote:
chetak wrote:modi is allergic to turdeep :D
Raghav Bahl and Jagannathan are both strong economic right-wing proponents, as was obvious from the panel discussion post the Modi Q&A. That accounts for their pro-Modi stance.

Sardesai and his wife are both left of center...Bahl really needs to get rid of them if he wants to advance his center-right agenda.
They CON DUO are neither center not left. They are just fill my pocket types.

You can see the emptiness of these duffers, Burkha Dutts and empty heads like Guha. They are neither center nor left. They are bunch of Spin masters who are on the TV 24x7 to bash Modi and spin PAPPU's blabber and meaningless words.
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^^Well yes, but I don't think it takes away from the fact that they are leftists.
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krisna wrote:true or false this is truly awesome. have not seen any politician say this to the dense heads of sooper poower.
contrast that with baba saying "our bigger problem is hindoo terrorism" to some westerner (or something along those lines, i remember reading on BRF, pl correct me if i am wrong).
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Sanku wrote:
Arjun wrote: She is also wife of Vir Sanghvi....QED
Is? or was?
Vir Sanghvi - Seema Goswami

They wed in June last year....unless they've divorced since, I assume they are still married.
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They are neither left nor right. Husband-wife duo is called "Bunnti-Bubli" in MSM circles of Delhi.
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RoyG wrote:^^Well yes, but I don't think it takes away from the fact that they are leftists.
Well... I believe Leftism is a cover for their greed, cronyism and latent racism. Just a cover.
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Arjun wrote:
Sanku wrote: Is? or was?
Vir Sanghvi - Seema Goswami

They wed in June last year....unless they've divorced since, I assume they are still married.
Okie, I knew (log back) they were sort of together and apart, I assumed they were divorced. This is new (for me) development I guess.

Txs, you do learn something new on BRF everyday.
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