Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 11 Apr 2013 23:11

Pratyush wrote:Or may be use him as a precedent and quash the SC STI closure report and go after Modi. Tytler is just, a bali ka bakara.

Who will quash it ??? Con ??? If they do so then they will be directly infringing into a judicial process. Can they take that much risk ??? If SC does that then it would be painting a question mark on itself only.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 11 Apr 2013 23:14

Parties which are more populist in nature will align with congress. They simply have nothing to offer and they are slowly losing vote share. UPA-3 is still very likely but this sec-left architecture which has chained the country down is rapidly disappearing. If this weren't the case the media wouldn't be frantically trying to regulate social media and demonize our civilization. You only do this when confronted with a challenge.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 11 Apr 2013 23:29

Latest rant from Atlanticist rag.

Steamroller
HOW far will Narendra Modi rise? The stocky chief minister of Gujarat, a state in western India, already boasts a rags-to-success story. The son of a low-caste chai-wallah who became a lowly member of the Hindu nationalist movement, has in the past few weeks at last emerged as the dominant figure of the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).

Re-elected in Gujarat in December after 11 years in power, his ambitions are now national. The de facto BJP candidate to be prime minister after the election due by next year, evidence abounds of his growing clout. In March the BJP’s president, Rajnath Singh, an old opponent, was forced into two concessions. First Mr Modi, alone among chief ministers, muscled himself onto a pair of important party committees. Then his right-hand man, Amit Shah, was installed as the party’s general secretary. A fellow Gujarati, Mr Shah will be tried over the murder in custody of a Muslim couple who allegedly planned to kill Mr Modi in 2005. Yet he is an asset for the leader: a back-room fixer and election manager, utterly loyal to his boss.
Mr Modi’s strength comes from two sources. The more troubling is an assertive strain of Hindu-based politics. Leaders of the influential Hindu nationalist movement, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, distrust him as too independent-minded. But ordinary members back him fervently, yearning for a Hindu strongman.

They like his unapologetic stance over riots in Gujarat in 2002, when over 1,000 people were killed, mostly Muslims. Police and politicians ignored or actively directed the massacres. Subsequent investigations by state bodies were feeble, but out-of-state judicial efforts also failed to find evidence to convict Mr Modi. Others did fall, however. Last year an ex-minister of his, Maya Kodnani, was jailed for 28 years for directing murderous mobs.

Asked about the riots last year, Mr Modi retorted that since he keeps winning elections, “I have completed this examination, and with distinction marks”. Hardliners, notably his noisy social-media camp, cheer such defiance. Yet Hindu chauvinism pays diminishing returns nationally. For the BJP to get anything near to the 200 (out of 545) seats it needs in 2014 to be sure of leading a coalition government, Mr Modi must appeal beyond his base to an emerging urban middle class worried about jobs, development and corruption.

Hence Mr Modi’s second source of power: as a moderniser flaunting the economic progress of Gujarat. Investors in his state like the bountiful power, decent roads, quick and fairly clean decision-making and the easy provision of land. Migrants come for jobs. Gujaratis’ incomes have much more than doubled under him.

Gujarat is not all golden. Academics note that social indicators—child malnutrition, the lot of women—painfully lag economic growth. Other states tackle poverty and ill health better. Nor can its experience easily be transplanted. Gujaratis’ history of trade and entrepreneurship is exceptional. And, as head of a national coalition, Mr Modi would lack the near-presidential powers he enjoys as chief minister.

This week he undertook a roadshow of sorts with a series of speeches and television addresses. He set out a vision of smaller, better government and promoted the privatisation of state-run firms, an education-voucher system and solar power. He also proposes easing cumbersome labour laws. Some talked this week of their son of a tea-seller as India’s answer to the grocer’s daughter, Margaret Thatcher.

National campaigning will start after various state-assembly elections in November. Observers expect a more presidential style of contest than usual. So television will especially matter: at the last election in 2009, 460m people had a box at home. Next year nearer 800m will. That should suit Mr Modi: he is charismatic, physically large, at times aggressive, and his outsider status is appealing. He will probably run from beyond Gujarat, in a constituency in Uttar Pradesh, India’s most populous state, where the BJP must make gains if it is to form a national government.

His main opponent may be Congress’s Rahul Gandhi, the ultimate privileged insider. Mr Gandhi also spoke to a business lobby in Delhi, on April 4th. His speech was crammed with well-meaning talk of “inclusive” growth. But he also rejected the idea of “a hero riding a horse” to save India. His distaste for politics sounded visceral; the question of who will be prime minister is “irrelevant” noise.

Thus the BJP may bet heavily on Mr Modi. But there are risks. He could be rejected by Muslims and moderate Hindus. Mr Modi’s campaigning outside Gujarat in 2009 brought out crowds but gathered few votes. The other possibility is that next year’s election is decided less by presidential style and more by old-fashioned, state-level deals between parties on fielding candidates. That calls for organisation, not flashy leadership. Voters may yet care most about local issues. And, counter-intuitively, even Mr Gandhi’s diffidence might turn out to be a boon. Congress may try to attract national coalition allies among those wary of serving alongside the uncompromising, never apologetic, Mr Modi.

http://www.economist.com/news/asia/2157 ... teamroller

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Apr 2013 23:39

They should stick to racist Margaret Thatcher!

R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 11 Apr 2013 23:44

From the above atricle-

A fellow Gujarati, Mr Shah will be tried over the murder in custody of a <b>Muslim couple</b> who allegedly planned to kill Mr Modi in 2005

They will not forget to write Muslim but always innocently forget to write wanted terrorist.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 12 Apr 2013 01:38

Gents - which one south indian/east indian language should NaMo learn to campain in that state effectively?

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 12 Apr 2013 01:45

suryag wrote:Gents - which one south indian/east indian language should NaMo learn to campain in that state effectively?

He should do what ABV did.. recited ad Tamil Poem on Mother INdia. From paper is also okay.. translating meaning at same time so that everyone understands.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Apr 2013 02:34

Lilo wrote:
RoyG wrote:Who are the big players from Congress on twitter? I don't mean the politicians. I will join twitter and join the battle.
https://twitter.com/UtsavMitra/twitternrega/members

Subscribe to the list to track what the #InternetPappus are upto at the moment, removes the need to actually "follow" the members (and give them unnecessary attention)

Please add SushuptiBRF. Thanks.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 12 Apr 2013 03:09

When did you join Twitter Narega ??? ?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Apr 2013 03:13

Centre lauds Narendra Modi govt for projects with best land use

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/centr ... e/1100577/

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 12 Apr 2013 03:49

suryag wrote:Gents - which one south indian/east indian language should NaMo learn to campain in that state effectively?

Wrong question to ask. A leader does not have to learn such languages. A better idea is for the leader (in this case NaMo) to identify regional leaders who resonate with him, and have similar charisma and ideas. Modi works through these leaders, and should be able to present himself as caring and as individual who respects others (diversity) will go long ways. If he is able to convince that he will consider their grievances fairly, and provide fair opportunities, then desis are good at understanding this. After all they have trusted politicians for such a long time and have been deceived. Last time he spoke in English at the Tuglaq event in Madras. It was received well. Of course, he might lose non-english understanding audience. To please the crowd, he just needs to learn a few words before the meetings.
In the long run, people should have faith in leaders who look, act and speak differently - as long as the leaders are just/fair and provide opportunities for growth. Respect others, and he will get respect (and votes).

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Apr 2013 04:03

Still if he should speak another language it should be Tamil.

The AP folks wont vote for him as they are on YSRnama or Naidunama.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 12 Apr 2013 04:19

And yes the plan to relocate the capital from Delhi to somewhere in South(It was hyderabad earlier) for a few months should be seriously brought up.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 12 Apr 2013 04:40

I have joined Twitter. Handle: Indosphere
Please invite me to the group.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 12 Apr 2013 04:49

https://twitter.com/sessions
twitter over capacity at present.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 12 Apr 2013 05:10

Lilo ji,

I just joined twitter. Handle: Parikramah
Please add me to the group.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 12 Apr 2013 05:37

ramana wrote:Still if he should speak another language it should be Tamil.

The AP folks wont vote for him as they are on YSRnama or Naidunama.

JJ is most probably going to align with him, unless she lands herself in trouble. It is sad BJP by itself made zilch progress in TN. Stupid party. Relying on one individual - be it Modi, is unsound, unresonable and dangerous.

An individual having to learn a language for the sake of votes is unhealthy, undesirable and totally wrong for the people, country. They are not going to vote for him because he speaks in their language. Amma and MuKa stand in the way. He should make people identify and resonate with him for his ideas and values, not because he squats and quacks like them. He needs intelligent people.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Apr 2013 05:53

Lalu springs Babri question on Modi-shy Nitish

Lalu Prasad remains the RJD’s greatest, and probably only, asset even though he has been out of the saddle for almost eight years.

At 8am on Thursday, Lalu Prasad was sitting under a makeshift portico at 10 Circular Road, the sprawling west Patna official residence of wife Rabri Devi (in her capacity as former chief minister) — this is the place where he meets party workers and leaders when he is in Patna. Rows of as-yet unoccupied chairs were placed before him, but the flow of visitors was thin.

“Saab is in mourning (following the death of his elder brother Mukund Rai) and there are few visitors because he is pre-occupied with the rituals,” said a security guard.

Lalu Prasad, though, continues to work on strategies, firm in his belief that he remains a credible merchant of political fortune.

He spoke to Dipak Mishra of The Telegraph on his plans for the days to come and what he makes of the political scenario in the state and the country. Excerpts from the interview:

TT: The BJP-JD(U) alliance was formed to oust you from power. Now it is on the verge of a split. Your views on that…

I am not the official spokesperson for the NDA. But let me tell you, Nitish Kumar is taking everyone for a ride. He will never quit the NDA. He knows that if he quits, the fight in Bihar will be between the BJP and me. Nitish has praised L.K. Advani.

What is the difference between L.K. Advani and Narendra Modi? He is the same Advani who saved Narendra Modi during the Gujarat riots when Atal Bihari Vajpayee wanted Modi out.

Nitish Kumar was railway minister then. He did not utter a word. The Gujarat riots were the benchmark for judging secularism. Nitish failed.

Why is he concerned with secularism all of a sudden? The truth is that there is a fight going on among the fundamentalist forces over leadership. Nitish is just a tool in the hands of Advani in the hope that Advani can be made the prime ministerial candidate.

Who do you consider the greater threat, Advani or Modi?

Modi destroyed the business interests of Muslims who were posing a threat to Gujaratis. But the main culprit is Advani. He is responsible for the demolition of the Babri Masjid. It was after the demolition that there was a rise in terrorism both inside and outside the country.

I had stopped Advani when he came with his rath, Nitish flagged him off.

Is Nitish justifying the demolition of the Babri Masjid by endorsing Advani as PM candidate? Does one seriously think that Muslims would forget the demolition of Babri Masjid?

Mulayam Singh Yadav is facing problems because he praised Advani. One may manipulate the media to get favourable reports but one cannot tamper with history.

Nitish claims that it is due to his efforts that the Centre has agreed to revisit the criteria of special status to states?

That is another issue through which Nitish is trying to mislead the people.

Finance minister P. Chidambaram never talked about revisiting the criteria of special status. He was talking about backward regional grant scheme and the need to change the criteria of funding by the Planning Commission.

When I was in UPA-I as a minister, I had ensured that all districts of Bihar are covered under the scheme. Every district is getting Rs 16 crore. The Centre has been generous in giving him funds. It is another matter he has not been able to spend it.

There is growing speculation that Nitish may tie up with the Congress. What will you do then since you support the Congress?

That is bogus. There is no one in the Congress waiting to tie up with Nitish Kumar. Nitish is again trying to mislead the people.

Are you hopeful about an alliance with the Congress for the Lok Sabha polls?

It is immaterial if I have an alliance with the Congress or not. What I know is that in the post-poll scenario, I will support the Congress with whatever strength I have.

I am not Nitish Kumar who ties up with communal forces. My commitment to secularism is complete and unwavering. I have, and will, fight for the rights of the minorities even on the streets.

In the past I have suffered for my commitment to secularism. 1 Aney Marg did not belong to Lalu Prasad or Rabri Devi. It is the CM’s official house. Yet it was raided. Had I tied up with communal forces, there would have been no witch-hunt.

The state BJP appears divided on the continuing alliance with Nitish…

Sushil Kumar Modi has been used by Nitish for promoting his own interests. It is not surprising that several BJP leaders accused Sushil Modi of sacrificing the interests of the party.

This time he has been caught by the BJP leadership. That is why Sushil Modi is making a U-turn. Uska hawa nikal gaya hai (His bluff has been called).

Finally, Laluji, why have you chosen May 15, when the summer will be at its peak in Patna, to hold a rally at Gandhi Maidan?

My supporters are not the ones who have ACs and wear ties. They will come with wet towels tied on their heads.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130412/j ... WdWhhKYNok

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 12 Apr 2013 07:31

All new Rakshaks on Twitter
No need to highlight BR connection or relationship.
Anonymity helps.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 12 Apr 2013 07:47

Sorry to be asking onlee, whatcha you all doing via twitter?

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 12 Apr 2013 08:21

SwamyG wrote:Sorry to be asking onlee, whatcha you all doing via twitter?

Think real time action and interaction with the likes of Rajiv Srinivasan, Vaidyanathan, Shashi Tharoor, Sagarika Ghose, Madhu Kishwar, Praveen Swami

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 12 Apr 2013 08:43

Whatever it is, good luck onlee.....

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Apr 2013 09:39

His time starts now
Ashok Malik

What lies ahead for the BJP? The formal national designation gives Modi the cover to move beyond business conclaves and closed-door sessions and address mass political meetings. Whether he is or isn’t a pan-Indian force will be tested in Uttar Pradesh and possibly Bihar, two states that contribute 120 seats to the Lok Sabha. It is here that he has to concentrate.

Both states offer intriguing possibilities. Take Bihar. For the moment Nitish Kumar and the Janata Dal (United) are on top thanks to an intricate social coalition knitted together with the BJP. If this alliance breaks, the immediate beneficiary will be Lalu Prasad, who will solidify his Yadav and Muslim support. Modi will seek to galvanise the BJP’s upper caste and urban voters and use his own OBC status — the appeal of which is under-recognised by many political analysts — to get a slice of the OBC vote. Should this situation play itself out, Bihar could become a fight between Lalu and Modi, with Nitish relegated to the margins.

Uttar Pradesh is even more tantalisingly poised. Both the Congress (which won 21 seats of 80 in the 2009 Lok Sabha election) and the Samajwadi Party (which swept the 2012 assembly election) are on the defensive. One obvious gainer will be the BSP. The imponderable is the BJP. To what degree can the Modi card excite voters in the numerous small towns of the state, reunite the BJP’s Brahmin-Thakur-Lower OBC constituency and propel the party? In hard terms, the BJP has not won an election in Uttar Pradesh since 1998, when it took away 57 of the state’s then 85 Lok Sabha seats. In 1999, this dropped to 29 seats and the party has been declining ever since.

Can Modi reverse this trend and ensure a performance that is reminiscent of the BJP’s grip on Uttar Pradesh in the mid-1990s? That is the key question for not just the party but for national politics. It could decide the verdict of 2014.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed ... 42906.aspx

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 12 Apr 2013 10:12

RoyG wrote:They want to exonerate Jagdish Tytler before Modi comes to power.

No. In that case, they'd try to exonerate Kamal Nath. Game is up once Nath owns up to instructions received from Rajiv Gandhi.

The case against Kamal Nath

Kaul disclosed that Kamal Nath had turned up at Rakab Ganj saying that he had been sent by Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Apr 2013 10:24

Guess who on the banks of Ganga?

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 12 Apr 2013 10:43

Modi Ji

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 12 Apr 2013 10:53

svenkat ji,

PVNR was the back office kind of guy. The one ignored and presumed to be good (with or without reason) for whatever organisation he is associated with and with the least amout of salary. Such guys usually have little say in organisations esp. those driven by networking/lung power/WT_. The kind of stuff done by face value guys. 1984 had the face value guys on the street. Notice how there was no rupture in the Hindu-Sikh relations before or after in and around Delhi, which was the ground zero. At the time the hindus killed in Punjab were known to everybody to be a Paki sponsored killiings. Doordarshan invariably used the phrase 'Pak samarthit Atankwaadi'/'Paki sponored terrorists'. So every body was clear as to what was happening. Despite that the face value guys forwarded the excuse, that it was revenge for the killings of Hindus. Unfortunately that ended up becoming a split propaganda. Doordarshan said something that larger hindu masses understood as a foreign hand. The face value guys said something else which implied a Hindu-Sikh tussle. Rajiv got the benefit of doubt, a sympathy wave and a Mr. Clean image, propelling him to instant stardom. But people got exposed to new realities and within the first term itself it was obvious Mr. Clean was basically clueless.

The game of power is a difficult one to play but nobody can avoid it, not even the people who think they will remain a disinterested spectator. Ergo you may as well play it with skill. Only let out from this is a sanyaas.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 12 Apr 2013 11:21

ravi_g wrote: The game of power is a difficult one to play but nobody can avoid it, not even the people who think they will remain a disinterested spectator. Ergo you may as well play it with skill..

Sadhu vachan ravi_g, and if I may add, play it with detachment. Rajyamoolmindrajaya !!

Otherwise die nasty.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 12 Apr 2013 11:28

ravi_g ji,
I deleted the post once I realised that PVNR was being made the fall guy.The needle of suspicion was pointing at Rajiv.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 12 Apr 2013 12:55

Shonu wrote:NK jealous

Is this going to be a breakup? or just another DDM ploy to confuse voters? Hes done for in bihar if he leaves NDA - joining UPA wont give him anything other than some personal spending money and then CBI raids when he doesn't behave - of all the times to leave, this must be the worst.

Nitish will never put the tall leaders of the BJP in such a quandary. At this stage they do not dare to name anybody other than Modi. Everybody knows Modi is a problem only till the election. After the election he has no bargaining power, and the BJP tall leaders can shove him aside.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 12 Apr 2013 13:01

Pranav wrote: Nitish will never put the tall leaders of the BJP in such a quandary. At this stage they do not dare to name anybody other than Modi. Everybody knows Modi is a problem only till the election. After the election he has no bargaining power, and the BJP tall leaders can shove him aside.

This is a delusion being creating by media and some BJP's vested interest to delay the declaration. I will bet that as soon as BJP crosses the threshold of 160 or INC falls below 120, there will be a beeline of parties that will announce support to Modi as PM. In fact there will be competition. Mamata, Jagan, NCP will compete too. There are several parties that know the importance of being in power as opposed to stupid "isms".

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 12 Apr 2013 13:04

Muppalla wrote:
Pranav wrote: Nitish will never put the tall leaders of the BJP in such a quandary. At this stage they do not dare to name anybody other than Modi. Everybody knows Modi is a problem only till the election. After the election he has no bargaining power, and the BJP tall leaders can shove him aside.
This is a delusion being creating by media and some BJP's vested interest to delay the declaration. I will bet that as soon as BJP crosses the threshold of 160 or INC falls below 120, there will be a beeline of parties that will announce support to Modi as PM. In fact there will be competition. Mamata, Jagan, NCP will compete too. There are several parties that know the importance of being in power as opposed to stupid "isms".

Even in that case, if BJP insiders and allies can enjoy power without Modi as PM, why should they shoot themselves in the foot. Their best bet is to allow Modi lots of media coverage without making any commitment.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 12 Apr 2013 13:08

Pretty cool

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 12 Apr 2013 13:13

^^ Mucho PS ed ..
Another version

methinks such evocative pics real or unreal represent a dangerous slippery slope
These efforts will make real all those allegations on hero worship being prepared against us.

Ill pick Modi waving to aam aadmi in one of his rallies (the types circulated to the press wires) to above type pics anyday

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 12 Apr 2013 13:15

Ramdev endorses Narendra Modi, gives thumbs down to Rahul Gandhi - http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ramde ... i/1101043/

This is significant, but Ramdev should go further. He should declare that he will advise people to vote for BJP only if Modi is declared as the PM candidate and made Chairman if the BJP National Election Committee.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 12 Apr 2013 13:18

He cant do that. He was forced through IT raids to start his own party.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 12 Apr 2013 13:31

he is doing whatever he can at the moment. he needs to be careful and survive like yoda did for years and years on a remote swampy planet until luke had grown up from a baby and gotten ready to confront vader, first under obi-wan and then under yoda himself.

"the dark shroud of the Sith us all surround"

there are eerie parallels between palpatine and the nameless faceless evil creatures that wrap themselves like an octupus around the bodhi tree of our democracy.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 12 Apr 2013 13:39

VikramS wrote:https://twitter.com/sarpamedha/peearef/members

Please add @National1st

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 12 Apr 2013 13:48

Pranav wrote:
Muppalla wrote: Nitish will never put the tall leaders of the BJP in such a quandary. At this stage they do not dare to name anybody other than Modi. Everybody knows Modi is a problem only till the election. After the election he has no bargaining power, and the BJP tall leaders can shove him aside.
This is a delusion being creating by media and some BJP's vested interest to delay the declaration. I will bet that as soon as BJP crosses the threshold of 160 or INC falls below 120, there will be a beeline of parties that will announce support to Modi as PM. In fact there will be competition. Mamata, Jagan, NCP will compete too. There are several parties that know the importance of being in power as opposed to stupid "isms".

Pranav wrote: Even in that case, if BJP insiders and allies can enjoy power without Modi as PM, why should they shoot themselves in the foot. Their best bet is to allow Modi lots of media coverage without making any commitment.

Saar, you , me , everyone are reduced to just mastrogating without even seeing the damsel. We will see when it happens. Why the hurry. Have chicgen curry.
Modi did not get to where he is by being a village idiot. He is sure to have his cards and allies. Just like everyone else.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 12 Apr 2013 13:54

Perhaps Twitter joinees could reactivate this old thread by posting here: http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... f=3&t=5100