Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 17 Apr 2013 23:04

Amber G. wrote:Various news sources reporting that the person has been identified
d. Nes conference at 5 pm today. Person is described as "dark skinned" by CNN . Lord and Taylor video...

A clear indication that it is not "home grown".

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 17 Apr 2013 23:07

ramana wrote:Arrest has been made
Atlantic wire reports.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national ... tim/64302/

Other news sources are also confirming this....

Edited Later: (2:48 PM EDT): Both CNN, FOX are back-tracking ... and are saying that their sources are saying that no arrest have been made..

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 17 Apr 2013 23:12

I'm just hoping the LeT/AQ used a paki and not someone from their IM cadre.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 17 Apr 2013 23:15

Exactly. That has been my nightmare. These slimy pakis mostly introduce themselves as Indian anyway.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 17 Apr 2013 23:18

For those interested in suspected individuals in the boston bombing case, supposedly the suspects were identified by the earlier link that I had posted (which is a 4chan link). No arrest has been made yet.
4chan_images

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Apr 2013 23:20

Paprika is famously used in hungarian food. But other balkan and med rim countries might use it too. Its common in india only as small pkts given with pizzas.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 17 Apr 2013 23:21

nachiket wrote:I'm just hoping the LeT/AQ used a paki and not someone from their IM cadre.

How does it matter? Are we 100% sure that IM doesn't exist and is not part of global Islamic Jihadi network and cannot be part of such a plot?

member_23367 · Post by **member_23367** » 17 Apr 2013 23:27

The FBI has made an arrest of the Boston Bomber

edit: wrong id i guess

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 17 Apr 2013 23:27

It could be a Somali or a Mali

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 17 Apr 2013 23:33

Israel to help with Boston Bombing Investigations.
Israeli_Help

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 17 Apr 2013 23:37

Yet another possibility and speculation? Not sure.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 17 Apr 2013 23:38

RamaY wrote:
nachiket wrote:I'm just hoping the LeT/AQ used a paki and not someone from their IM cadre.
How does it matter? Are we 100% sure that IM doesn't exist and is not part of global Islamic Jihadi network and cannot be part of such a plot?

Hain? Where did I say it doesn't exist?

On second thought, if the IM turns out to be involved, maybe Ombaba will light a fire under Rajmata's mush to do something about them instead of running after imaginary Hindoo terrorists.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 17 Apr 2013 23:43

It will also become difficult for Indian parents to visit their kith and kin in US - may be a small price to pay.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Apr 2013 23:47

The two big men in same military style dress , black caps and bags are likely just undercover fbi agents..or some other military unit...they have that look. In immediate aftermath the fbi types emerged from hiding with guns drawn beside the local police.

My deep background in b grade hollywood movies makes them look like seal team operators...maybe posted in civvies for qrt.

saip · Post by **saip** » 17 Apr 2013 23:48

Only for Indian muslims parents if it is indeed IM. Others may not be affected. And then it will pass as it always does. After 9/11 Pakis had tough time getting to the US and my company's execs had to fly to London to meet them. At that time one Paki from TX came to our co and went back to his hotel and somehow misplaced his suitcase at the Hotel and they just blew it up. Now it is all back to normal and in fact the Pakis were even allowed to buy US copmanies. They did buy my Company.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 17 Apr 2013 23:49

Funny but interesting now they're retracting the story indicating that no arrest has been made. Wag The Dog ???
Or send the prisoner to a military facility? Who knows.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 17 Apr 2013 23:51

I see two indic lookalike ladies too on the bottom right.. hope they were safe.

member_23367 · Post by **member_23367** » 17 Apr 2013 23:55

CBS News ‏@CBSNews 4m

JUST IN: Man sought as possible suspect is WHITE MALE, wearing white baseball cap on backwards, gray hoodie and black jacket.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 18 Apr 2013 00:01

Both CNN, FOX are back-tracking ... and are saying that their sources are saying that no arrest have been made..

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Apr 2013 00:03

Maybe an arrest was made but they realized got the wrong guy ....

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 18 Apr 2013 00:05

And in Chicago...

Jihadi_Teen_Arrested

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 18 Apr 2013 00:07

Guys,

Please don't post these sorts of images based on bigotted racial profiling. It is particularly sickening to see this right now.

In the past 'brown skin' NRI's have been targetted and killed just because of such nonsense. Please think for a moment before endangering others.

Let the police do their work, we will know soon enough.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Apr 2013 00:08

SaiK wrote:I see two indic lookalike ladies too on the bottom right.. hope they were safe.

There was young Indian Guy name Dr Shah who was there with his whole family Inc Kids and he responded immediately to help the injured. Luckily , his family was not hurt.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 18 Apr 2013 00:13

People would tend to congregate around their countries' flags, wouldn't you think? Those indic looking women are near the Indian flag.

Abhijit · Post by **Abhijit** » 18 Apr 2013 00:17

It could be an Iraqi cell, bent on revenge. Shades of 'peacemaker' movie.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 18 Apr 2013 00:20

Jhujar wrote: There was young Indian Guy name Dr Shah who was there with his whole family Inc Kids and he responded immediately to help the injured. Luckily , his family was not hurt.

Dr. Shah actually ran in the marathon, his family was in the audience... most people will be tired after running a marathon.. he put up long hours after that..

There was another doctor (and may be many others) who also just finished the marathon, and ended up putting up long hours helping the people..

saip · Post by **saip** » 18 Apr 2013 00:24

In NY they sell tickets to get near the finish line. Dont they follow the same practice in Boston? In the picture above there are flags and then some kind of plastic sheet blocking the view. So every one has turned their head. Not a great site to watch the runners.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 18 Apr 2013 00:58

Boston_Court_House_Evacuated

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 18 Apr 2013 01:02

Ricin and the bomb threat could be some people (possibly disgruntled US citizens) probing the readyness and effectiveness of the defences.

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 18 Apr 2013 01:27

Remember Ombaba is first black president
There are many plumber joes who don like that

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Apr 2013 02:15

CNN: Man with white cap being sought

CNN) -- Investigators scrambling to solve the fatal bombings at the Boston Marathon want to question a man seen on video as a possible suspect in the attack, two official sources with knowledge of the investigation said Wednesday.

The sources identified the person as a man wearing a white baseball cap. One of the sources added that the cap was on backwards and the man was also wearing a light-colored hooded sweatshirt and a black jacket. The second source said investigators have not identified this person.

The news comes on a day when authorities have made "significant progress" in the case but no arrests, a federal law enforcement source told CNN's John King. Sources previously told CNN that a suspect was in custody, but both Boston police and the FBI denied that any arrests had been made.

In addition, a federal law enforcement source told CNN that "anyone who says 'arrest' is ahead of themselves."

A Boston law enforcement told CNN, "We got him," but wouldn't clarify whether that meant a suspect has been identified or arrested. Some federal sources said it was even too early to say investigators had identified the suspect, but several sources in Boston told CNN that they have a clear identification.

....

I think bad chioce of words. What it means is they have a face.

Anyway which picture is this?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Apr 2013 02:54

New Yorker on the frenzy of stereotyping the Saudi student at the Boston Marathon

Saudi Marathon Man

The Fox News and NY Post were at the forefront of this type of stereotyping.

Also just like in India unnamed sources are doing their worst. And leads to such scare mongering.
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Confirmation of my speculation!

Who is feeding bad tips to CNN?

Too many agencies speaking anonymously. Same malaise as in India.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 18 Apr 2013 03:13

The white cap guy in pics posted on this thread has the cap worn forwards. So, I guess the FBI is talking about a different person.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 18 Apr 2013 03:14

shiv wrote: This is the American alternative explanation - the Indian equivalent being "Could be Saffron terror".

Here is the mother of them all:

Let’s hope the Boston Marathon bomber is a white American

If recent history is any guide, if the bomber ends up being a white anti-government extremist, white privilege will likely mean the attack is portrayed as just an isolated incident — one that has no bearing on any larger policy debates. Put another way, white privilege will work to not only insulate whites from collective blame, but also to insulate the political debate from any fallout from the attack.

It will probably be much different if the bomber ends up being a Muslim and/or a foreigner from the developing world. As we know from our own history, when those kind of individuals break laws in such a high-profile way, America often cites them as both proof that entire demographic groups must be targeted, and that therefore a more systemic response is warranted. At that point, it’s easy to imagine conservatives citing Boston as a reason to block immigration reform defense spending cuts and the Afghan War withdrawal and to further expand surveillance and other encroachments on civil liberties.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 18 Apr 2013 04:08

ramana wrote: Too many agencies speaking anonymously. Same malaise as in India.

Ramana garu, This is the liberal/hipocracy's malice.

There is build up going in both places with all wrong reasons. In US strategy get troops out of Afghan and give leadership to Talibs. Take it back to rich-dividends via Mujahid type violence. Pakistan is buddy in localizing the terror. India has to take the blood spilling part (see my Bheema-Bakasura anology). Just go back to 80s and 90s. Hiding 20 pages of 911 reports, selective Wikileaks releases and then appoint Kerry and Hagel are all in this direction. US wants to move in a direction where what Musharaf did or Talibs did is not terror but freedom movements. But it takes time to opely say that. These kinds of attacks if for any reason prove to be a Paki hand the ball has to circled back to square one of Bush era. No one likes to go there.

In India also same thing, It is UPA or its versions that are expected to rule. In fact the world would like to ensure that. No further Nuke tests, no POTA style pursuit of sleeper cells and anti terror ops. The world wants bhakasura. Here there is some leaverage as this is a third world with a stupid democracy where only 25% votes are enough to create a landslide. Hindu terror is easy to invent and thrive on.

Hence the reasons to see we are investigating.... there a Bhatkal here and there is Murtaza Aziz there.... We have zeroed in on an Abdul. Do all this until the focus goes away... these thereads go to third page of forum.

rajsunder · Post by **rajsunder** » 18 Apr 2013 04:39

ArmenT wrote:
SaiK wrote:normally water bottles are carried on the side pouch. what is that with turquoise lid? it does not appear like a water bottle either.
Looks like a bottle of Kikkoman's low-sodium soy sauce (picture here), but the material inside it doesn't look like soy sauce, more like some kinda spice. Another thing it closely resembles is a bottle of Mrs. Dash seasoning spices (pictures here). The other rectangular object looks like a box of red chili powder, paprika, black pepper or some other spice too (e.g. something like this. If that was indeed the guilty person, I wonder if he was carrying these along for a cover story in case he was searched (e.g.) claim that he's going to friend's house for dinner and bringing some cooking items and ingredients. Besides, chili powder, paprika etc. are often used to throw off sniffer dogs.

The bottle that which you are referring to Soy Sauce is a OJ(orange Juice)

sadhana · Post by **sadhana** » 18 Apr 2013 04:40

Why do India and the Indian government have to be bashed on every single thread on BRF?
If moderators can not keep the thread on topic why have them (moderators and thread topics)? Name every thread MMS and INC bashing thread, because mostly that is all there is. Call it 'MMS Bashing Forum' : MBF or India Bashing Forum : IBF and be done with it. Calling it Bharat Rakshak Forum is false advertising.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Apr 2013 05:16

sadhana wrote:Why do India and the Indian government have to be bashed on every single thread on BRF?
If moderators can not keep the thread on topic why have them (moderators and thread topics)? Name every thread MMS and INC bashing thread, because mostly that is all there is. Call it 'MMS Bashing Forum' : MBF or India Bashing Forum : IBF and be done with it. Calling it Bharat Rakshak Forum is false advertising.

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ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 18 Apr 2013 06:26

shiv wrote:
sadhana wrote:Why do India and the Indian government have to be bashed on every single thread on BRF?
If moderators can not keep the thread on topic why have them (moderators and thread topics)? Name every thread MMS and INC bashing thread, because mostly that is all there is. Call it 'MMS Bashing Forum' : MBF or India Bashing Forum : IBF and be done with it. Calling it Bharat Rakshak Forum is false advertising.
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krisna · Post by **krisna** » 18 Apr 2013 06:34

sad and tragic loss of lives.

have a feeling that it is not a local nut case job.
local nut cases hardly use pressure cooker type explosives with timers. these nut cases are impulsive and imbecile with lack of anger control, prone ot random killings. usually they resort to guns etc kill people randomly - recall any number of crazy shooters in america.

using the pressure cooker type is a signature of a few types only- it needs patience motivation control of anger towards desired goal.
1) local availability as in sooth asia terror groups like piglets etc.
2) familiarity of the sooth asians in these type since long time - hence they become experts and teach new converts
3) any jihadi fundoos(converted or born again types) could go to these folks for teaching
4) the above expert jihadis do not have access to guns in america for training, rely on presssure cooker types- see # 1)
5) impact at major event -high visisbility to show- sort of a cock a snook at the sooper power.
6) less casuallties may be a minor event in the scheme of things for these jihadis. obviously wanted more but did not happen.

my 2 cents.