Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 18 Apr 2013 01:16

RamaY wrote:I think D4 is behaving similar to the Congress-Leadership. Maintain some enigma by not going in front of Media/public. It is interesting that some how they think they are different from a MullaM/Lalloo/Mamata/Nitish etc.,

On the other hand by allowing NM to go spread his vision, I think, D4 is entirely behind NM on his candidature. They are just giving their opposition enough ghosts to run behind.

RamaY garu, this is the very best case scenario. I hope it's exactly what's happening.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Apr 2013 01:17

Sanku,
A couple of questions:

Why do you want LKA as next PM?
Why do you oppose NM as next PM?

I want to know the support for LKA and the angst against NM.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 18 Apr 2013 01:18

Hmm I thought too, but would be nice not to post it so overtly?

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 18 Apr 2013 01:19

its just noise. what can "d4" really do? they just throw crumbs for reporters and journalists for 10 sec of fame and then fade into the background. modi could care less. he'll just continue campaigning with the support of almost the entire sangh and bjp cadre support and his network within bjp command. modi should watch out for jihadi/congress hit squad.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 18 Apr 2013 01:36

If anyone in India needs SPG protection right now, it is Narendra Modi.

But he will not get it.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 18 Apr 2013 01:37

Btw food for thought on c-voter survey, it's a congi site, nevertheless factual rebuttal

http://friendscongress.blogspot.com/201 ... t-see.html

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 18 Apr 2013 01:44

Anyways NM has crossed the 50K mark while RG is less than a tenth of that, and Loh is hovering just slightly below 30 times that figure..IMO if it were internet Hindu's affecting polls here, we'd be seeing a lot more for SS, Loh for sure.

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/redif ... 130409.htm

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 18 Apr 2013 02:14

BEYOND VAJPAYEE

As important as Atal Behari Vajpayee is to the recognition that the Bharatiya Janata Party is capable of tremendous and visionary national governance, the BJP has to grow beyond him, and only Narendra Modi among the present set of leaders is capable of bringing that growth. Lal Krishna Advani, 85, does not have prime- ministerial vision and was, truth to tell, a non-performing Union home minister. He was as much Loh Purush as Manmohan Singh is India’s finest prime minister

. Sushma Swaraj, Modi’s rival, who is fomenting dissent against the Gujarat chief minister via the Janata Dal (United) of Nitish Kumar and the Shiv Sena rump minus Bal Thackeray, is a leader without a state or following. She was a decorative and purposeless information and broadcasting minister (I and B is a redundant ministry anyhow like railways) and there was bad blood in Karnataka on account of her alleged association with the lowlife Reddy brothers which made the papers. This writer shudders to think that anyone can wish her to be prime minister unless it is a Congress plot to keep control of things once in the opposition.

Narendra Modi cannot be more different from Vajpayee and that is perfectly natural. Originality resides in individuality and vice-versa if you didn’t know. Vajpayee was a good coalition prime minister. He had been a ranking opposition leader from the time of Jawaharlal Nehru and his prime-ministership laid the foundation for more opposition PMs to follow. Unfortunately, this didn’t happen because Vajpayee became trapped in National Democratic Alliance politics in which the BJP could not grow. Vajpayee’s chief bete noire was his deputy Advani who controlled the bloodhounds that were regularly unleashed against the prime minister. The Loh Purush versus Vikas Purush controversy was created by Advani’s men to show down Vajpayee when he was overseas. It was the nearest thing to a palace coup. This magazine and this writer vigorously opposed it. The hounding of Arun Shourie who was Vajpayee’s straightest and best cabinet minister also came at the behest of anti-Vajpayee forces. Advani may choose to forget all this but not everyone in the country suffers from memory loss. It is because of internal BJP opposition that Vajpayee had to look to the larger NDA for support and sustenance, which ultimately worked against the interests of the BJP, trapped it in coalition compulsions, and gave mediocrities like Nitish Kumar a larger-than-life persona. Because Nitish Kumar’s predecessors in Bihar were so toxic, he appears an angel in contrast. That may be all right by Bihar’s standards. But compared to Narendra Modi of Gujarat in absolute terms, he pales into insignificance. It may be good for television rating points to pit the two chief ministers against one another but it doesn’t convince serious-minded people.

At any rate, Vajpayee’s use of NDA allies to keep his BJP baiters at bay has now been adopted lock, stock and barrel by Advani and Sushma Swaraj. But history repeats as farce. The same set of people who opposed Vajpayee despite being a good prime minister now counter Modi because he has the potential to be as brilliant and even better. But Modi is cast in a different mould from Vajpayee. Obviously, he does not need the NDA as much as Vajpayee did because the BJP cadres are with him. More critically, however, he is a maximizer in a league of his own. He maximized Gujarat -- highlighting it on the world map, making him a plenipotentiary of sorts -- and he will do the same with India. He will not tolerate corruption or cronyism. He will bind the allies to working for India’s interests first. And he will apotheosize the country to unseen and unimagined levels. Of this, there can be no doubt.

Every man has ambitions for himself and Narendra Modi presumably is no different. But he has a vision for India that Advani, Sushma Swaraj and the tokenistic Nitish Kumar profoundly lack. Nitish Kumar will reduce India to a beggar nation, the same he has done to Bihar. Advani (sorry for the ageism; this writer is not getting younger) is way too manifestly over the hill, and brings nothing to the table. Sushma Swaraj is scarcely serious, breaking into a dance, if you remember, at some BJP function in Rajghat. The problem, however, is that if the Bharatiya Janata Party does not quickly circumscribe the vaulting ambitions of Advani & Co., it may be in more trouble than it reckons with the voting public. The voting public has more or less decided in favour of Modi. After nine disastrous years of Sonia Gandhi and Manmohan Singh, that is the only intelligent choice to be made. The Bharatiya Janata Party and the Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangha do not perhaps want the Modi momentum to be dissipated by declaring his PM candidature early. But the public is also getting incensed with and weary of the BJP infighting.

The clarity of distance tells solely Narendra Modi has the capacity to spectacularly increment the votes of the Bharatiya Janata Party and bring it to power at the Centre nearly all by itself. In Bihar and Uttar Pradesh, he will be a runaway hit. The writing is on the wall. People everywhere want good governments. Why not here? All elections are risky, but Modi’s reputation as a successful risk-taker has been solidly established, and that should put him soonest at the head of the BJP campaign, necessarily after a decent and amicable parting of ways with sections of the National Democratic Alliance that won’t come along. Who dares wins.

http://www.newsinsight.net/BeyondVajpay ... age=page-1

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 18 Apr 2013 02:17

Love the way Mahatma Modiji treats Trudeep Turdesai

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Apr 2013 02:21

ModiNamaGaana

Cuhppa Chuppi , Bacca Koochi, Aaagar Bhaggar Jaye Rey
Rahul Baba, O baba , Bhaag ModiWave Ayye Reh!!
Maino Maama Boli Miaaaon Mianoon Miaoon
Mai Tho Challi Vatican, Pope Ko Pujaoon!
EJ ki Jogan Main Tho , Parlok Sanwaran Jaoon
Akhir Tho Boorraapa Thehra , Paardise Seat reserve Karraoon .
Swiss Bank Account Terre, Caymon Mey Bhi Name Hai
Phir Bhi Na Dekho Jayye Daulat kaa Laaaaagaao!!
O chuupa chuppi, Baba Koochie , Doggy Raja Bulayye Ley
Cuhhe Congi, PS Bhongi,RNis subb jaaye rey
Lalalalalalalalalala!
Bhag Baba , Bhag Baba, Modi Tsunami aye reh.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 18 Apr 2013 02:23

Wow, this is even better, HS garu will love this

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 18 Apr 2013 02:30

Hope Lota purush fanbois will see the light and unite under the leadership of Mahatma Modiji

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 18 Apr 2013 03:31

^^ Hah, Mulla Mahendra... thx for that scintillating piece from last year. Slurdesai getting gobsmacked was delightful to behold. Already seems like NaMo has covered so much distance since then on the national stage, no?

Truly NaMo is a leader in a different mould. Have seen none like him in living memory. A Sardar Patel reborn he is. Jai ho and naMo Namaha.

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 18 Apr 2013 03:39

Fartdesai tried his best to push Congi agenda, 2002.....

NaMo is truly unique leader with no equals!!

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 18 Apr 2013 03:40

Isn't it enough reason to dislodge UPA for next 30 years?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Apr 2013 03:48

So MMS was able to match and exceed Sub-Saharan lows for India.
So what happened to his inclusive growth chant?

Should post the above in Strategic Leadership thread and 2 G scam threads.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 18 Apr 2013 03:53

The alternatives to NaMo in BJP are Shivraj Singh Chauhan, Raman Singh and Manohar Parikkar in that order. I only hope that the movement goes in uni-direction of Modi with no ifs and buts. Advani, MMJ, Sushma, Jaitley or Rajnath are just not feasible if BJP even thinks of giving a challenge. This is the thought process of not just a majority of top level, mid level to cadre but an overwhelming majority of all. We are wasting here discussing about Advani.

If US want BJP to lose and desperately want to see UPA returns for whatever the geo-political reasons then things will work at a fevorish pitch to make Advani as candidate. It is not that Advani is sold out but it is just to ensure that UPA returns to power. This aspect is always there.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 18 Apr 2013 03:56

Looks like senior Govt. officials in Gujarat and Center told Madhu Kishwar that COngress and NGOs are encouraging Jihadists to assassinate Modi. She actually clear wrote the tweet and deleted it.

Madhu Kishwar ‏@madhukishwar 5h
State govt officers have said similar things earlier but I was shocked to hear this from non gujrati central govt officers

Madhu Kishwar ‏@madhukishwar 5h
@jp_surat I am serious because the persons who said this are very senior and well informed insiders

Madhu Kishwar ‏@madhukishwar 5h
@DabanggHindu It is Congress& its NGO allies that are instigating terrorist jihadis against Modi.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 18 Apr 2013 04:00

Rudradev wrote:Sanku ji, as someone who has been observing the BJP with growing despair for 9 years... and not through the mainstream media lens at all.. I conclude that there is no basis whatsoever for comparing the Advani Crew's use of Social Media and Grassroots Activism with the transformative results NaMo has engendered with these tools. So even if you are indeed right, and the Advani Crew actually developed these tools and gave them to NaMo... my question still stands.

This does not directly pertain to your comment, but I've noticed that we give a lot of importance to the supposed impact of the Social Media, just as we give a lot of importance to what the English dailies and English News channels have to say. Now the Social media penetration in India is limited to the young urban middle and upper class populace which is quite small in the overall scheme of things. The percentage of Indians who regularly read English language dailies or watch English news is also miniscule when vote counts are considered. Their impact will be similarly limited.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 18 Apr 2013 04:02

Cong split on Modi, fields Vaghela

Congress strategists have identified 180 constituencies where Muslim voters can decisively influence the result, but leaders who see Modi’s projection as good news for the BJP are dismissive of this “simplistic analysis”. The 180 constituencies largely fall in Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Jharkhand, Bengal, Assam and Maharashtra.

A senior leader told The Telegraph: “We cannot presume Muslims will vote tactically in all these states and prefer the Congress to other secular parties… We have seen in the past that a two- or three-way split of Muslim votes often helps the BJP scrape through. If Modi comes as candidate for Prime Minister, he will enthuse the BJP cadres and the hardcore Hindu voters; he will come as advantage, not liability.”

In the 2009 Lok Sabha polls in Bihar, the BJP won 12 seats of which seven had a high Muslim population — between 20 and 40 per cent. Katihar is an example. The UPA had a strong candidate in Tariq Anwar but he lost to the BJP by 14,000 votes because other secular groups cornered 93,568 votes.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130418/j ... W8ldqK7IR0

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 18 Apr 2013 05:07

I hope Modi's security is being beefed up. There is no shortage of muslim kooks out there.

R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 18 Apr 2013 05:28

I don't think we should simply blame Muslims. God forbid If Modi gets attacked it would be dynasty crooks behind the scene.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 18 Apr 2013 06:24

Madhu Kishwar ‏@madhukishwar 17m
I deleted tweet aboutt likely attack on Modi coz well wishers called\sent worried emails saying it has created panic & gone viral

I think there is a concerted plan to eliminate him. I think the plan is to set up concerted campaign against him using Nitish, internal BJP dienasty helpers, Mani Shankar AIyer, Doggy Singh kind of low lifes.
They have been ratcheting up rhetoric to basically telegraph Jihandis to kill him now before the election. The Vinod Mehta types one and only question "How can he become PM if Muslims don't want?". Is he Islamic enough? Is he catholic enough? The idea is to raise the rhetoric.

Suddenly there are 2 books by CON MAFIA sponsored leftist crooks too.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 18 Apr 2013 06:58

First BJP office, then few more sangh parivaar outfits before the boom..

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 18 Apr 2013 07:41

If there is a attack on Modi and he survives, congis better find the deepest foreign hole they can, because the consequences will be VERY serious. God forbid, the attack succeeds, then they need not bother finding a foreign hole, we will bury them in one that we dig ourselves.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 18 Apr 2013 08:00

If Modi is killed, people will say karma is a bitch, move on.

ATM, Modi is the single point of failure for the BJP.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 18 Apr 2013 08:13

Irrespective of who leads NDA, likely it willhave more seats than congis front.

However some differences to differenrence of seats with/without seats under NaMo leadership.

with NaMo as anointed leader, the cadres at grassroots level will be fired up like no tomorrow. They are likely to influence a alarge number of voters.
It is likely to offset any other negative aspects of allies and their voters opposing him. Remember he has caross he board support amongst all supporters.
even Vina and Theo can vote NaMo despite their opposition. wait for time.

With LKA or any other as anointed leader NaMo will still camapaign as he is a team man . But because he is not the leader he will not have his way of doing things-- selection of candidates, pushing his plan. Along with this - acdres will not be fired as much. This will easliy negate the +ve advantages of allies.

with no one as leader of NDA, keeping suspense of NaMo as likely candidate will also help in keeping allies and acdres fired up. But allies can upset the cart if they get enough seats on their own(with BJP cadres voting for them). NaMo may become a loser despite groudswell support.Once elections are over groudn support is useless. Members elelct leaders. Here NaMo may lose out due to less BJP members supporting him along with allies against him. Hence the clamour for not projecting NaMo as the leader and keep it leaderless but keep NaMo under leash by asking him to campaign only under their direction. here NaMo is used to fire up cadres only to vote but leader is a non NaMo person.

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Allies do not want NaMo as leader -- not because of secularism, he will make political obituaries of many politicians as he did in Gujarat.
Henec the bogey of secularism.

same with congis-- secularism is the only one which is hard for NaMo to crack as it is devised and keep in lock and key ( the name and usage) by the sickularists. It is patented and royalty is extracted by congis on anyone who uses it.

No wonder NaMo does not even bother to fight it back as it is giving into congis brand. it is a losing battle.

He is taking the cudgels back to congi camp as a true Indian as a development man who has brought laurels to Gujarat. He is on a winning ticket as he has patented it rightly just like sickularists with secularism.( falsely so )

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 18 Apr 2013 08:28

^^IMO, NM has Z category protection. (Or is it Z+)? Same as JJ Amma.

BTW, NM's greatest strength is the unapologetic assertiveness he inspires in the cadre. One reason I've wondered the muslims seem to get away with so much terrorism etc is that they close ranks and do not break omerta. You don't see muslims rushing out to condemn fellow muslims after bomb blasts etc. Instead they play up a victimhood mantra. Quite different from even a whiff of Hindu extremism and the general Hindu public reaction to it. Hence, its harder for outside forces (media, betas, phoreners etc) to make inroads and play up divisiveness in the muslim community, globally not just in India.

What we now see among NM fans is the same level of unapologetic focus. All the filth and abuse hurled at NM is meant to rile up guilt amongst the prospective NM base. Its not working. Hence the message's getting shriller to little effect. Its good. Good to see an unapologetic development+no appeasement+genuine secularism mantra gain sufficient ground to stop the leftist and C-system propagandu juggernaut.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 18 Apr 2013 08:30

After initial failure, Nitish is now setting India's political agenda

http://m.timesofindia.com/city/patna/Af ... 608081.cms

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 18 Apr 2013 08:31

Sanku wrote:Sir, social media has been used effectively by BJP as a party even before NaMo. All those supporters of NaMo on SM, are there because the nurturing of Social media by BJP (and not NaMo alone) -- it is just that a section of those are now turned anti BJP and pro NaMo, projecting NaMo above the party. Many of the tools were given by BJP to NaMo.

I'm a NaMo supporter at SM (heck we all are

). There has been no BJP nurturing in making me so.
The only reason was what NaMo has delivered in Gujarat and with what kind of environment, baggage etc.
The reason NaMo has become larger than life for people, is that BJP is not what has performed in Gujarat.
So what gives hope, BJP? .. or NaMo ? Voter votes on hope, even the slightest of genuine hope.
BJP was there before NaMo, has been there even after NaMo. It was NaMo's administerial leadership that led the change.
So why would the mango abdul go gaga over a rudderless BJP. BJP failed to get up from ABV's exit and hence people are rightly disappointed in them.
IMO if you would go and ask a man in exit polls next year (or this year may be

), he'll say something like this
"I voted for the BJP candidate, only for the reason that I want Modi."
BTW, I hear the BJP's Chattisgarh and MP governments are not doing so bad either.

Regards,
Virendra

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Apr 2013 08:32

vijayk wrote:Looks like senior Govt. officials in Gujarat and Center told Madhu Kishwar that COngress and NGOs are encouraging Jihadists to assassinate Modi. She actually clear wrote the tweet and deleted it.Madhu Kishwar ‏@madhukishwar 5hState govt officers have said similar things earlier but I was shocked to hear this from non gujrati central govt officersMadhu Kishwar ‏@madhukishwar 5h
@jp_surat I am serious because the persons who said this are very senior and well informed insidersMadhu Kishwar ‏@madhukishwar 5h
@DabanggHindu It is Congress& its NGO allies that are instigating terrorist jihadis against Modi.

And some one just asked on Bomb blast thread why cannot we all get along and not blame, suspect our current Gobar_ment in Dilli by Seculaists.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 18 Apr 2013 08:42

Why some people like Modi

Must-read folks. Very much fun. Summarizes the whole dhaga in a nutshell, seems like. Maybe.

The author is devious, btw. Tries to hijack 'civilisational values', for example. Read it all.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 18 Apr 2013 09:01

Spurred by women, Juhapura moves on

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 607757.cms

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 18 Apr 2013 09:01

Sanku ji,

The people of India have a collective life of their own. About 50% of the times they get fooled. But then about 50% of the times they collect themselves and being to make sense. In these sensible moments some random leader who has best prepared himself and is best placed to do the job becomes the Dhuri/Axis for people to go around. This time it is NM. Advani ji never was there except for a brief period when he was the face of RJB movement. From that moment on Advani ji's political capital has been consistently eroded by the vagaries of political majbooris. But today he is history. Gathering around Advani ji will have a very muted differential effect on gathering new allies, if at all and all of India stands to loose by this undesireable friction. Supporting NM is at a certain level like supporting MKG. People may agree or disagree with MKG but nobody can deny that people gathered around MKG. Same same with NM.

Mera neta kaisa ho?

vs.

Desh ka neta kaisa ho?

No point going against the wishes of our own people esp. if you can debate things from within. And this internal debate will become a big requirement with the first 6 months of NM taking the PMship.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 18 Apr 2013 09:05

Narendra Modi, his supporters and RSS leaders on terrorists radar?

http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/GUJ-AH ... 1-NOR.html

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 18 Apr 2013 09:11

Sushupti wrote:Narendra Modi, his supporters and RSS leaders on terrorists radar?

http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/GUJ-AH ... 1-NOR.html

terrorists' radar? Well, they'll have to wait in line...GoI is ahead in line....

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 18 Apr 2013 09:26

In the speech to Network 18, Modi points out how there was no government before and as civilization evolved governments evolved. It is obvious thing that many of us know, but when did a neat talk about it. He talks about the traffic light and brings attention to people and civic sense/duty, he highlights the role of governance and lack of trust in the system. We BRFites have been saying these for about a decade now. Does Modi read BRF, or his handlers read us:-) ? His ideas are lofty yet grounded to the realty. Lofty because he wants to move the country, grounded because he speaks the language of people and understands their life - be it the gas cylinder, Files at government, ityadi......his anecdotes are earthy and to the point.

It is not about his oratory skills, but his connection to the problems people face and his ideas to resolve which listeners like. He gives pride, vision and hope to people. He admits the faults of the system, and points out how people can use technology and good governance to change and become better. He does not promise free rice or wheat, he talks like an outsider yet he is inside the system.

He is pro business, so Maasa or West has no benefit to accident him. West is coming to his doorsteps, accidenting will however put a spineless and weak BJP in New DeLhi.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 18 Apr 2013 09:33

Massa is also funding likes of Harsh Mander, Shabnam Hashmi, Teesta.. and State Department treats him as persona non grata.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Apr 2013 09:40

johneeG wrote:Originally, RJB had much bigger potential. Initially, it had included Kashi and Mathura also. And there was a real fear that there would be a demand that all the monuments that were erected after the willful destruction of the Indic places of worship are restored to the original owners. If that demand had come up, then it would have been a death knell to the present setup. It is like 100 megaton. It would have achieved much more in few months than what a generation of 'saffronizing' of education would do.

johneeG garu,

great post.

RJB Andolan and in fact any real or hypothetical movement to reclaim the destroyed temples in India was basing the rejuvenation of Bharat on Bhakti yoga strategy. Nothing wrong with that unless it impeded the other yoga strategies - Jñāna and Karma.

"Saffronization" of Education is the Jñāna yoga strategy, the strategy I would favor as the rejuvenation principle. It revolves around reclaiming Bharat as the Mother Civilization of Mankind.

Narendra Modi has, I believe, correctly based the rejuvenation of Bharat on Karma yoga strategy - development, growth and prosperity but keeping our civilizational heritage in the center.

The Bhakti strategy, IMHO, should come last. It should be the icing on the cake. It should represent our victory and not our struggle.

JMTs

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 18 Apr 2013 09:43

Coalition politics in India are oriented towards getting the Lowest Common Denominator, the person with least initiative getting the PM post....What else can one say about this farce where Nitish rules out Modi for being too 'communal' and Shiv Sena seems to be against him for being too 'secular'. As per this Hindu report: Time NDA settled PM issue, says Shiv Sena,

The riot was a spontaneous reaction from the Hindu community. But unlike the late Shiv Sena chief, Bal Thackeray, or the Sena itself, Mr. Modi did not openly side with the Hindus, the editorial said. The Hindus who retaliated or took an aggressive stand were in jail and they had no saviours. Even policemen who took on terrorists were rotting in jail now. So were the policemen who killed Ishrat Jahan — what could one make of this, asks the editorial.